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Title: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: coyotemagic on March 01, 2016, 07:54:00 AM
Finally getting started in this GB.  Better late than never, I reckon.  This aeroplane is featured in Osprey's Reconnaissance and Bomber Aces of World War 1 and the moment I saw it I knew I had to model it.  When the subject of the next Group Build came up, I wanted to do either Sopwith aircraft or aircraft of 1916.  This French GB became the perfect vehicle for both.
Soon after coming back to this hobby after an 18 year hiatus, I sold off all of my WWII stuff and started acquiring WWI kits.  This Roden Sopwith Strutter was among the first, along with the Part of Poland PE set.
(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/2016-02-27%2013.27.34_zpsscrhxm1s.jpg)

I was pretty put off when I saw that all of the major components were molded in brittle, clear styrene, so I immediately gave everything a coat of grey primer and that somehow made it all better.
(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/2016-02-27%2013.33.50_zpsorvpm2d8.jpg)[/URL]

In order to use the PE frame work and make it all fit, more than half of the bottom wing center section had to be filed away...
(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/2016-02-23%2010.56.50_zpspjnayxdr.jpg)

...and all of the fuselage interior detail had to be sanded off.
(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/2016-02-26%2008.17.24_zpsw6jmsney.jpg)

I wasn't happy with the clear aileron pulley inspection windows, so I decided to cut them out and box in a place for the pulleys.
(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/2016-02-23%2012.31.25_zpsxzylg4p5.jpg)

(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/2016-02-23%2012.50.38_zpsvxrshirz.jpg)

(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/2016-02-26%2008.07.22_zpsel7akkbe.jpg)

Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: coyotemagic on March 01, 2016, 08:02:33 AM
Since I had the saw out, I separated and pinned the ailerons.
(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/2016-02-23%2012.30.37_zps7gblypgl.jpg)

(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/2016-02-23%2020.24.35_zpsxcnwfpyt.jpg)

Now the wings are primed and ready for pre-shading.
(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/2016-02-26%2008.06.45_zpsfup6xvuk.jpg)

I also painted the PE frame work and glued it to the fuselage sides.
(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/2016-02-27%2013.26.35_zpsvjcmesii.jpg)

Next, a lot more interior detail.  I'm determined to use as much of this two fret pe set as possible, so this may take a while.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: xmald on March 01, 2016, 08:08:43 AM
Bud, you have chosen an extremely interesting subject. The work you`ve performed so far looks great. I think adding the pulleys is a very good idea. I`m going to follow this thread very closely since I`m thinking about starting the Strutter too;)
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: GAJouette on March 01, 2016, 09:44:59 AM
 Bud,
Man am I glad to see you're working your magic on a Strutter my old friend. Outstanding progress to date. Looking forward to following this thread. All the best of luck to you in the GB.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: Borsos on March 01, 2016, 04:08:11 PM
A French Strutter! Great! Your Interior work looks awesome! I'll follow your masterbuild closely.
Best wishes
Borsos
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: Des on March 01, 2016, 05:43:14 PM
You have made a great start with this kit Bud, what you have done so far is excellent.

Des.
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: xan on March 01, 2016, 07:53:23 PM
Heello Bud!
what a great new! il you are talking about this plane, we have the same project!

(http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/Photos2/062_Sopwith_mecas.jpg)
http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/escadrille062.htm (http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/escadrille062.htm)
N62 had three sopwith and the picture shows clearly they were 1916 camouflage painted, when almost all french strutter were painted in aluminium colour.

exiting ! I take an armchair, go on!

by the way, nice beginning!

Xan
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: RAGIII on March 01, 2016, 08:34:21 PM
Well Amigo, as usual you are not wasting any time in starting another beauty! Excellent work on the pulley inspection panels. The Part PE should go a long way to improving the kit interior! I am looking forward to following your build as always!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: Ernie on March 01, 2016, 09:46:40 PM
Now this is a bonus!  It's great to see you starting the Strutter, Bud.
It promises to be an interesting build with the PART PE set.  Nice
work on the inspection windows!  It will be fun to follow along
with this one, my friend. :D

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: lcarroll on March 02, 2016, 12:58:51 AM
    Great subject Bud, I'm really looking forward to following along on this one. The French scheme will really add a spectacular presentation to this old "work horse"!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: iwik on March 07, 2016, 03:49:41 AM
Hi!
Great project.
It should be easier than the single seat version as you won't have to worry about matching the two part top decking. It was a nightmare to redo everthing.
The Part pe set is great, though you should know that the top wing hides everything in the pilot opening.
I know I won't bother detailing that part much when I come around to build the two seater version.
Great work!
Hopefully we'll see the next step soon!
cioa
Iiwk
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: radio on March 07, 2016, 10:36:56 AM
Great beginning Bud.
Cheers
Martin
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: coyotemagic on March 10, 2016, 08:53:06 AM
Thank you all for your warm encouragement and support.  It's always greatly appreciated.

Heello Bud!
what a great new! il you are talking about this plane, we have the same project!

(http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/Photos2/062_Sopwith_mecas.jpg)
http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/escadrille062.htm (http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/escadrille062.htm)
N62 had three sopwith and the picture shows clearly they were 1916 camouflage painted, when almost all french strutter were painted in aluminium colour.

exiting ! I take an armchair, go on!

by the way, nice beginning!

Xan
That's a great photo, Xan!  Now you've got me reconsidering the scheme I plan on doing.  I'm basing my build on the photo on page 13 in Osprey's Reconnaissance and Bomber Aces of World War 1 depicting number 6, one of six Strutters built by Sopwith for the Aviation Militaire, before Hanriot began building them under license.  It is shown in overall CDL with upper surfaces and rear decking doped in khaki with a number 6 on the rudder.  The top photo on page 16 of Datafile 34 shows the same scheme on number 2 of the same Sopwith batch.  I'd love to do a Strutter in two color camo, but where would I find the white cockerel?  What markings would have been on the rudder?  Any other markings that you know of?

Hi!
Great project.
It should be easier than the single seat version as you won't have to worry about matching the two part top decking. It was a nightmare to redo everthing.
The Part pe set is great, though you should know that the top wing hides everything in the pilot opening.
I know I won't bother detailing that part much when I come around to build the two seater version.
Great work!
Hopefully we'll see the next step soon!
cioa
Iiwk
I still had to modify the top decking, Iwik, since the plane I'm building didn't have a Vickers gun, but a forward firing Lewis over the wing.
(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/2016-03-03%2011.47.32_zpsbelmnkb6.jpg)

Dirtied up the insides and added the air brake control system.
(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/2016-03-03%2015.56.24_zpsyocwseti.jpg)

I closed up the fuselage at this point and now all additional detail will be added from the top.  Kind of a challenge, but it will prepare me for detailing my Jager and Legato kits.
(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/2016-03-04%2011.32.46_zps02ruhrna.jpg)

I glued the bottom wing in place and now I'm cleaning up the seams.  More photos later, once I get the rest of the innards completed.  I'm using interior photos from the Datafiles and from Memorial Flights stunning reproduction to detail the interior, although my metal fittings will be black instead of the French blue since my ship was built by Sopwith.  I'm also going with a Sopwith instrument panel rather than the more spartan French style.
Xan, if you have any more info on this particular kite could you please share it with me?
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: Borsos on March 10, 2016, 09:49:29 AM
Great progress! Regarding the camouflage have a look at these colour pics of Strutters in French service here:
http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/escadrille023_2.htm
It seems that of the first six Strutters the French airforce receeived from no. 3 Naval Wing RNAS three went to N62 and three to N23.
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: coyotemagic on March 10, 2016, 10:05:01 AM
Thank you, Borsos, and thank you for the link!  I've seen the photos of "Ariel" and "Yen a Bon" in Cross and Cockade and was very tempted to do either of the two, but was swayed towards N62 by the Aces book.  I also want to model a plane with the older Nieuport style Eteve Lewis mount as opposed to a Scarf ring. (I'll do a British plane at a later date with that.)  This build is proving to be more complex than I had originally anticipated, yet even for a notoriously poor fitting Roden with dodgy decals, It's going together much easier than my previous three projects.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: bobs_buckles on March 10, 2016, 07:04:38 PM
Looking great, Bud!
Keep those updates rolling.

Von B  ;)
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: Ernie on March 10, 2016, 07:22:59 PM
Super work on the interior Bud as well as the amazing job
of modifying the top deck.  Great update, my friend!

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: xmald on March 11, 2016, 08:50:07 AM
Greeat job on the interior Bud. I really like the stains on the linen. Keep the updates coming  ;)
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: radio on March 11, 2016, 09:51:47 AM
Beautiful work to the interior and changes.
Cheers
Martin
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: RAGIII on March 12, 2016, 01:40:59 AM
Your usual awesome work Amigo! Looks stunning to date!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: coyotemagic on March 22, 2016, 11:18:56 AM
Thank you, Bob, Ernie, Filip, Martin and Rick!  Been really busy lately, but I've still managed to eke out a wee bit of progress between annoying life interruptions.  Plodding along with the cockpit.
(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/2016-03-07%2016.21.51_zpsuvknkx69.jpg)

(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/2016-03-17%2009.34.39_zpsj8cm5f6w.jpg)

(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/2016-03-20%2020.05.38_zps9pizh89h.jpg)

That silvery looking cross member behind the pilot's seat is actually brass rod filed to a square cross section.  It's there to spread the top of the fuselage walls apart so that the top decking will fit.  I'll paint it tan, then use oils to give it a wood grain.  I'm now working on ammo drum boxes for the observer, not provided in the kit or in the pe set.  I also need to make a fuel tank and a map box.  The observer's cockpit will be highly visible, so these items need to be there.  I'm also working on the Vector Clerget and ginding down the cowling to make it fit within.  Photos soon.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: GAJouette on March 22, 2016, 11:29:36 AM
 Bud,
Outstanding progress my old friend. Your interior is First Class,lovely work. Keep up the Master Level efforts my old friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: coyotemagic on March 22, 2016, 11:38:18 AM
Thank you, Gregory!  You've always been so supportive!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: boggie on March 22, 2016, 04:15:13 PM
Excellent plodding Bud!

Please don't keep us waiting too long for more.  :)
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: Borsos on March 22, 2016, 04:49:53 PM
You make an excellent Job, Bud! This instrument panel in particular is awesome! Can't wait to see more!
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on March 22, 2016, 05:09:33 PM
great stuff bud, havent seen one of these built in a while.
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: coyotemagic on March 23, 2016, 02:11:47 AM
Excellent plodding Bud!

Please don't keep us waiting too long for more.  :)
Thanks, Boggie!  I'll try not to. ;)
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: coyotemagic on March 23, 2016, 02:14:43 AM
You make an excellent Job, Bud! This instrument panel in particular is awesome! Can't wait to see more!
Thank you, Andreas!  The instrument panel is from the Part PE set with a pulsometer made from scratch and a few extra bezels thrown in for good measure.  By the way, please don't scrap your C.III!  It's an exquisite model and can be salvaged.  I know it's frustrating, but if you remove the offending wing and tail surface parts and refinish them, I think you'll be glad you did. 
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: coyotemagic on March 23, 2016, 02:19:57 AM
great stuff bud, havent seen one of these built in a while.
Thanks, Scott!  It's a shame more of these aren't built.  It's really a pretty good kit and a decent representation can be built oob.  I might try that on my next one.  The surface detail is very nice.  The only drawback, imho, is the quality of the decals.  They are the worst I've ever encountered.  I really wish Rowan would do a Strutter sheet.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: Gisbod on March 23, 2016, 04:37:04 AM
Interesting project Bud..

You're doing a very nice job on her.

Guy
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: Des on March 23, 2016, 06:43:00 AM
She's coming together really well Bud, your interior colours are excellent.

Des.
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: lcarroll on March 23, 2016, 07:51:15 AM
  As Des has remarked she's really coming together nicely, Bud. I had this Kit in my stash some time ago when still modelling in 1:48 Scale, I think this is the first build I've seen and it's a great one! Keep at it, very nice work to this point.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: davecww1 on March 23, 2016, 09:23:37 AM
Interesting scheme, Bud.  I think when I get around to doing Strutters I will be doing this version in Collishaw's markings, and a French bomber in aluminum dope.  but yours will look nice in the French camouflage scheme.  Looking at the photo I would recommend you get one of the Gaspatch RNAS type Lewis guns as it looks like the gun in the photo, completely stripped with no cooling fins or jacket.
Dave
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: dr 1 ace on March 23, 2016, 09:30:22 AM
Well you are at it again, looking good Amigo !

Ed
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: RAGIII on March 23, 2016, 11:14:59 PM
I seemed to have missed your latest update until now Amigo. You are doing your usual outstanding work! Lovely panel and interior! Your spacer to spread out the fuselage halves is a simple but effective fix. Looking forward to the next update!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: radio on March 24, 2016, 02:51:58 AM
Great interior and update Bud.
Cheers
Martin
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: Monty on March 26, 2016, 05:30:11 AM
A very nice build, Bud, with some great added detail. I think you are very brave to use so much photo-etch! Your modelling is very neat with lovely paintwork on the internals,

Regards,

Marc
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: coyotemagic on April 05, 2016, 04:49:30 AM
Thanks, guys!  Progress has been slow, but progress nevertheless.
I need a little help here, my friends.  For those of you who have Osprey's Reconnaissance and Bomber Aces of World War 1, if you turn to page 13 at the top of the page you will see the aircraft I'm building.  The blue on the rudder appears to be a bit darker than the blue of the fuselage roundel or maybe it's the lighting or just my imagination.  At any rate, I'd like a consensus on what shade of blue I should use.  This is not an Hanriot built aircraft, but Sopwith built.  The caption states that the British roundels were over-painted in French colors prior to delivery to the French.  My thinking is that the rudder might still be in British colors since the blue-white-red order of colors was the same for both services, while the blue of the roundels would be the lighter French horizon blue.  What do you think?
(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/2016-04-04%2009.41.59_zpsblb6okit.jpg)

Meanwhile, I've almost completed the engine and cowling.  I went with the Vector Clerget knowing full well that I would have to thin the inside of the kit cowling significantly.  I didn't realize how much or how scary it would be.  It is literally eggshell thin, making handling for painting a very tricky proposition.  I'm glad to say that it is finished and the engine fits nicely without modification.  Still need to add the remaining push rods and ignition wiring.
(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/2016-04-01%2011.22.01_zpsgm2kwi0o.jpg)

(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/2016-04-01%2011.21.21_zpsubmrlxnd.jpg)

Uschi decals on the decking,
(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/2016-03-28%2009.51.22_zpsynjqy43u.jpg)
with an oil paint filter.
(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/2016-04-01%2011.26.15_zpsmevhtcx7.jpg)
There's more, but Photoshitbucket is giving me grief at the moment.  Later.
Thank you for looking in.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: Borsos on April 05, 2016, 08:27:53 AM
What a great finish! It's going to be another masterpiece, Bud!
A joy to follow your postings!
best wishes
Borsos
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: GAJouette on April 05, 2016, 11:31:28 AM
 Bud,
Now that's one awesome update my old friend. Outstanding work on her cowl finishing.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: davecww1 on April 06, 2016, 09:07:27 AM
Hi Bud,
Here's my take on the rudder and cockades.  The aircraft was built by Sopwith so would normally be painted in British colors.  So the rudder is definitely darker.  The question being is whether the cockades were painted French by sopwith or once it arrived in France.  From the profile I would say the cockades would have the British blue centers, even in the photo on page 13 the cockade center seems fairly darker than the French Horizon blue photographs, check the Breguet rudders on Page 18 + 19, they are almost white.  I would go with the darker British blue, and as we have discovered French factories used many different shades of blue, with the 1916 Nieuport colors being a darker blue than the Horizon blue seen on most other French aircraft of this period.
Dave
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: RAGIII on April 06, 2016, 11:46:51 PM
Hi Bud,
Here's my take on the rudder and cockades.  The aircraft was built by Sopwith so would normally be painted in British colors.  So the rudder is definitely darker.  The question being is whether the cockades were painted French by sopwith or once it arrived in France.  From the profile I would say the cockades would have the British blue centers, even in the photo on page 13 the cockade center seems fairly darker than the French Horizon blue photographs, check the Breguet rudders on Page 18 + 19, they are almost white.  I would go with the darker British blue, and as we have discovered French factories used many different shades of blue, with the 1916 Nieuport colors being a darker blue than the Horizon blue seen on most other French aircraft of this period.
Dave
Bud,
We know how knowledgeable  Dave is on French subjects so hard to dispute his opinion. Of course I am going to say that being said  8) , If You are seeing variations in blue shades that can not be related to lighting/sun glare etc. then I would go with your gut feeling!  ;D
RAGIII

PS: Outstanding finish on the cowling Amigo!
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on April 08, 2016, 03:25:54 AM
Looking really good budrow.will be an excellent strutter
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: radio on April 08, 2016, 06:02:39 AM
Great work until now, Bud.
Cheers
Martin
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: andonio64 on April 11, 2016, 10:32:04 PM
wow Bud, what an impressing work so far!
How did you achieve such a realistic effect on the cowling?
:-O
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: coyotemagic on April 12, 2016, 12:26:46 PM
Thank you all for your kind comments!
I agree with your reasoning on the roundels, Dave, which means that I'll have to paint them to match the rudder.  I was hoping to use some nice decals that I have since I've never painted roundels before, but I do have a set of Montex masks that I'm sure will do just fine.
Antonio, I sprayed all metal panels black, then added the dots with a silver Sharpie.  I then sprayed a coat of Model Master Metalizer Aluminum, then buffed until I had the effect I wanted.
I'm in the process of preshading the fuselage and under surfaces for the cdl.
(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/2016-04-09%2011.16.32_zpsdskmd6lq.jpg)

(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/2016-04-09%2011.16.14_zpsb1i2any2.jpg)

Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: Des on April 12, 2016, 12:52:57 PM
Your pre-shading is superb Bud.

Des.
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: Borsos on April 12, 2016, 04:06:43 PM
What a great effort with the preshading! You are preshading with pastels? Looks like a very interesting technique. This bird is going to be a beauty!
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: xan on April 12, 2016, 05:17:51 PM
My thinking is that the rudder might still be in British colors since the blue-white-red order of colors was the same for both services, while the blue of the roundels would be the lighter French horizon blue.  What do you think?
Hard to say...
the roundels could have been peinted in the Sopwith factory.

and for the french blue , horizon blue is not automatic at all.

the blue is quite dark in nieuports and Farman:

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2016/04/12//16041209265918634314139640.jpg)(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2016/04/12//16041209265818634314139639.jpg)
(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2016/04/12//16041209255618634314139633.jpg)
(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2016/04/12//16041209265818634314139637.jpg)

and lighter for Caudron and SPAD:

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2016/04/12//16041209265818634314139638.jpg)
(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2016/04/12//16041209261318634314139635.jpg)
(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2016/04/12//16041209255618634314139634.jpg)

congratulation for the cowl, it's terrific!
could you please send me the osprey pic you talk about py mp to have an idea about the blue shades?

Xan



Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: Ernie on April 12, 2016, 07:46:51 PM
Bud, my friend, I am in awe of your pre-shading!  Just amazing
techniques...and I am also wondering if it is done with pastels?

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: RAGIII on April 12, 2016, 11:28:33 PM
Your usual awesome work Bud! The pre shading looks great!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: dr 1 ace on April 13, 2016, 07:36:11 AM
Your usual awesome work Bud! The pre shading looks great!
RAGIII

Ditto, Amigo #3
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: GAJouette on April 13, 2016, 11:11:22 AM
 Bud,
Now that's some outstanding artistry my old friend. Very impressive pre shading on the lower wing and her fuselage. Excellent beginnings for an oil soaked fuselage.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: coyotemagic on April 30, 2016, 03:45:27 AM
Thanks, guys!  Yes, the preshading is done with pastels.  For me, it's much easier to control than an airbrush for this type of work.
I've painted the CDL on the sides and undersurfaces.  In the harsh, natural lighting, it looks like I went overboard, obliterating the effects of the preshading.  It looks so much better in the flesh plastic.  Besides, I'm weathering in stages to give it more depth as though the oil has soaked through the fabric from the inside as well as coating the exterior.
(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/DSC02791_zpsr87xwkig.jpg)

(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/DSC02792_zpsnmdsd4rp.jpg)

While I had the airbrush out, I decided to do the undersides of my D.I, as well.
(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/DSC02793_zpswjjppquy.jpg)

Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: Borsos on April 30, 2016, 05:57:04 AM
Both will be wonderfull models. I'll have to try out that pastels-preshading sometimes.
Borsos
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: coyotemagic on April 30, 2016, 06:05:56 AM
Thank you, Andreas!  I think you'll really enjoy working with pastels.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: RAGIII on April 30, 2016, 06:24:25 AM
Your pastel work is always beautiful. Looking forward to the next step!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: coyotemagic on May 05, 2016, 07:35:02 AM
Thanks, Amigo!  You know I always appreciate your support and generosity.

Got the top color on now.  I used Humbrol Khaki with just a touch of Humbrol 155, the WNW call-out for Proprietary Khaki, to darken it just a bit.  I think it's a pretty good match for the profile colors, but who knows how accurate that is.
(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/2016-05-03%2014.26.29_zpskfhqs5tq.jpg)

Obviously, the upper decking and the tail feathers are not glued, but merely resting on the fuselage.
(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/2016-05-03%2014.26.59_zpsjqk6ireh.jpg)

Thanks for checking in, folks.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: Ernie on May 05, 2016, 01:11:30 PM
Oh man that's nice work, Bud! The pre-shading on the fuselage looks terrific. You
are going to have to give a tutorial on your pastel technique...it's superb!
A very interesting update, my friend.  Looking forward to the next ones!

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: xmald on May 10, 2016, 06:44:01 AM
Simply beautiful work! The cowling is great as well as shading! Trully magnificent work!
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: coyotemagic on May 11, 2016, 09:33:41 AM
Thanks so much, Ernie and Filip!  You guys are always so generous with your praise, it's enough to make an old guy blush.

I got this one painted, decaled and ready for assembly.  I went against the combined and well researched recommendations of my esteemed colleagues and dear friends, Dave and Xan, and went with the expedient of using French roundels that I had on hand instead of painting.  Sorry guys.
(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/2016-05-10%2015.33.41_zpshxqym9sx.jpg)

Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: Ernie on May 11, 2016, 09:40:13 PM
Bud, the wings look terrific!  Forgive my ignorance, but how did you get
the beautiful shading on the decals...does that show through from underneath,
or is it done afterward and is it with pastels?  It looks perfect to me, my friend.

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: Borsos on May 11, 2016, 09:43:52 PM
Again wonderful progress, this will be a masterbuild! The lighter shade of blue looks fine on the roundels!
A joy to follow your progress!
Borsos
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: coyotemagic on May 12, 2016, 02:10:38 AM
Thanks, Ernie and Andreas!
Ernie, the rib shading on the roundels is post-shading with pastels.  Extreme care is a must here.  First of all, I spray a couple coats of clear flat to reduce tape adhesion.  Then I lay Aizu Micron tape lightly over the ribs.  I don't really press the tape down as I would for other masking jobs.  To avoid going overboard with the shading (not always successful), I use a small, soft, short bristle brush using very light strokes to apply the pastels, then a larger, stiff bristle brush to remove the excess and blend it.   I then, very carefully and slowly, pull the tape back on itself and if all goes well, the decals remain unharmed.  To finish it off, I brush one more time then seal it with a clear coat.  Hope that's useful.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: RAGIII on May 12, 2016, 08:48:53 AM
As always your post shading is outstanding! As for the roundel color I think the choice is great as long as you went with your preference!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: lcarroll on May 12, 2016, 12:22:59 PM
Bud,
    That Post Shading is excellent; since I picked up this technique from you several years back I've been getting far too aggressive with it, and need to follow your example more closely. You have a really spectacular Build going here, keep to the course! Great colours, wonderful finish, and as I said, great shading.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: xan on May 12, 2016, 04:37:42 PM
Hi Bud great work endeed!
I have some questions:
Does the kaki color you applied represent the PC10 british paint?
the proportion between the roundel's diferent colo is quite strange, but i don't know if it was a sopwith feature.
Could you verify it with pics or something else?

Xan
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: xmald on May 25, 2016, 07:05:11 AM
Looking great Bud! I can`t wait to see her assembled!
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on June 08, 2016, 01:24:26 PM
very nice finish bud
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: stefanbuss on June 08, 2016, 04:45:05 PM
Quote
To finish it off, I brush one more time then seal it with a clear coat.
I have to confess i was never able to achieve success using that method. In every single case all my post shading, using pastels, was lost when i applied the final coat. I am very much envious - you are doing this regularly, and it looks sooooo easy.

Stefan
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: markleecarter on June 08, 2016, 06:26:31 PM
Absolutely brilliant shading work - totally convincing, particularly on the fuselage.  :D
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: Des on June 08, 2016, 07:24:25 PM
Totally awesome work Bud, your shading technique is second to none.

Des.
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: coyotemagic on June 09, 2016, 02:53:02 AM
Thanks, guys!  The Albatros has been eating up all my time, but hopefully I'll get a bit more done on this one soon.

Hi Bud great work endeed!
I have some questions:
Does the kaki color you applied represent the PC10 british paint?
the proportion between the roundel's diferent colo is quite strange, but i don't know if it was a sopwith feature.
Could you verify it with pics or something else?

Xan

Xan, from what I can gather from several sources (WNW instructions among them), it seem that some early Airco and Sopwith products, DH-2s, Strutters and Pups for example, were doped in a khaki color before PC10 was settled on.  From the photos I have on hand of this ship, the upper surfaces do seem to be a bit lighter than PC10.
As for the roundels, they're probably not accurate at all.  I simply used some French roundels I had on hand (for SPAD XIII, I think) that seemed to match up pretty well with the Roden roundels in size and shape.  Accurate or not, I'm relatively satisfied with the overall look.  Of course, your opinion matters a great deal to me, Xan, especially in regards to French colors and markings, so I appreciate your input, as always.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: dr 1 ace on June 09, 2016, 12:22:24 PM
Looking Good Amigo !!!

Ed
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: coyotemagic on July 03, 2016, 10:58:24 AM
Looking Good Amigo !!!

Ed
Thanks, Amigo!  Sorry it took nearly a month to respond.  Been busy with the Albatros and property stuff.
I did manage to finish the Albatros and get back to this one, hopefully in time for the French GB deadline.
Got the tail feathers rigged.
(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/2016-07-02%2017.07.39_zps83xkvtnz.jpg)

(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/2016-07-02%2017.08.33_zpsnthmlxmf.jpg)
(The offending piece of lint has been removed from the forward port fin bracing wire.)
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: RAGIII on July 03, 2016, 06:22:24 PM
Beautifully rigged Amigo! Not far to go now  ;D
RAGIII
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: dr 1 ace on July 05, 2016, 12:38:50 AM
Beautifully rigged Amigo! Not far to go now  ;D
RAGIII

Ditto and never a problem on time for responses, life always gets in the way.

Ed
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: coyotemagic on July 20, 2016, 09:12:37 AM
Gracias, mi Amigos!  She's on her legs now with the u/c rigged, wheels installed.
Got the engine done.  Now, all that's left is to cram her into the cowling and I'll be on the home stretch.
(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/2016-07-19%2015.58.32_zpsuudinlq0.jpg)

More pics tomorrow.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: coyotemagic on July 21, 2016, 12:38:01 PM
Some progress.  Got the engine and the cowling mounted and all of the rigging anchor points in place.  The cabane struts are glued to the fuselage, but only the front ones are glued to the top wing.  The rear ones don't seem to want to line up.  Taking a breather, then I'll wrestle them into place.  I'm sure I'll have it rigged by the end of the weekend, then a bit more weathering and install the guns and the prop then finito!

(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/2016-07-20%2018.07.36_zpsztevue7j.jpg)

Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: Borsos on July 21, 2016, 03:04:24 PM
It is looking amazing. Very nice Sopwith, I love it!
I remember me struggling with the cabane struts on my flashback Sopwith too, they seem to be rebellious with their "w" shape.
Good luck - I am keen on seeing this one finished!
Borsos
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: GAJouette on July 22, 2016, 03:23:21 AM
 Bud,
My old friend your 1A2 will be an absolute stunner when completed. Your projects never fail to impress. Keep up the high awesomeness !
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on July 29, 2016, 12:09:54 AM
Really looking awesome budrow.yea it actually inspires awe.
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: lone modeller on July 29, 2016, 03:34:23 AM
I have somehow missed this one - having followed the thread I am pleased that I have found it. I have never seen a kit moulded completely in clear plastic either - but as usual you have added your individual touch of magic to a classic type and have almost finished another of your wonderful gems. The engine alone is worth looking at several times, never mind the other details.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: coyotemagic on July 30, 2016, 04:13:58 AM
Thank you, Borsos, Gregory, Scott and Stephen!  This and the Albatros really went together quickly.  Less than 5 months for both.  Now, all that's left on this one are the guns and she's done.
(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/2016-07-29%2010.00.48_zpsqi8ddpaz.jpg)

(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/2016-07-29%2010.01.26_zpsw3br0n05.jpg)

(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/20160729_104133_zpsph74xq4x.jpg)

Once the armament is added, I'll post pics in the completed section.  Thanks for the encouragement, my friends.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: RAGIII on July 30, 2016, 04:24:31 AM
Bud,
As always this build was a pleasure to watch come together! The finish, rigging and detailing are all superb. No surprise there Amigo! I am looking forward to the finished photos!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: Des on July 30, 2016, 09:29:38 AM
Bud,
As always this build was a pleasure to watch come together! The finish, rigging and detailing are all superb. No surprise there Amigo! I am looking forward to the finished photos!
RAGIII

I could not have said it better, very well done Bud.

Des.
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: coyotemagic on July 30, 2016, 11:59:15 AM
Thanks, Rick and Des!  Your approval means a lot to me.
One parting shot.  More photos in the completed section.
(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/sopwith%20strutter/2016-07-29%2016.23.16_zpsn9mrfslt.jpg)
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: WarrenD on July 31, 2016, 02:53:46 AM
Beautiful work, love this a/c!

Warren
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: coyotemagic on July 31, 2016, 02:57:29 AM
Thanks, Warren!  The Strutter's one of my favorites.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on July 31, 2016, 05:25:24 PM
I must concur what me old friends are saying
Title: Re: Sopwith 1A2 No 6 of Sgt Gabriel Herbert and Adj Charles Borzecki, N62, 1916
Post by: coyotemagic on August 02, 2016, 02:23:10 PM
I must concur what me old friends are saying
Thanks, ole buddy!
Cheers,
Bud