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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Scratch builds => Topic started by: xmald on February 20, 2016, 01:07:23 AM

Title: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: xmald on February 20, 2016, 01:07:23 AM: Hello,
I will be posting progress pics of a scratch build project by my friend - Jacek Bassara . I will test the parts he will produce since the intention is to make this bird available in limited number as a resin model kit. Probably many of you would like to have it in their collection and the Legato kit is almost a holy grail of 1/48 builders ;).
Should anyone have plans in better quality than the ones I`ve found online please let me know! I hope you will be of assistance when it comes to some issues during the build!
Inbox:
(http://alternathistory.com/files/resize/users/user3136/Lloyd_%28FJ%29_40.05-01-680x452.JPG)
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: coyotemagic on February 20, 2016, 02:22:42 AM: Filip, if Jacek produces it, I definitely want one! I'll be following his progress eagerly.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on February 20, 2016, 03:56:26 AM: I want one if your friend does this.
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: pustota on February 20, 2016, 08:30:19 AM: I'll take one, if it posible.
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: lone modeller on February 20, 2016, 10:15:55 AM: What a lovely aeroplane. Oh no! - another on my scratch build list!
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: xmald on February 20, 2016, 09:06:05 PM: We`ll be doing everything we can to make the model available. There will be some issues with the PE and decals - we don`t know if can find someone, who will produce them at relatively low cost so, that the kit would cost around 30-40$. We shall see since we both don`t have experience in producing models... Jacek is selling his first kit - it`s a resin model of a Polish glider in 1/72nd scale.

Do you have any information on the MAG Daimler 160 hp engine? Really ANY piece of information would be a great help...
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: xmald on February 21, 2016, 06:15:36 AM: Jacek said that before the production can even start he needs a fully equipped workshop. So the table comes first:
(http://i.imgur.com/2Y8tSb4.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/j3HNNUF.jpg)
And the workers could complete the rudder construction:
(http://i.imgur.com/JDwT4GK.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/fo0k9XV.jpg)
The frame has been covered with linen (aluminium from the lager can - the usual medium Jacek uses).
(http://i.imgur.com/MCSWXX6.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/fxfJyDV.jpg)
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: ermeio on February 21, 2016, 10:47:05 PM: Hi,
I found some additional info in my archives - it is from Osterreiches Flugzeuge, by Reinhard Keimel:

(http://i1353.photobucket.com/albums/q662/ermeio/2016%20models/lloyd%2040%2005/LLoyd%20FJ%2040.05_zpsdbukedvy.jpg)
I want also to advise you to use the 3-View from The Austro Hungarian Aircraft of World War One book (the Haddow's one), but i ask others here to confirm.
You will find it in my folder

As for the Engine, I think that Edgar here at CSM has a very good Austro Daimler 160Hp, so if you make the model without engine to contain costs, the modelers willing one can add a CSM or some other resin engine.
And you can also speedup production :)
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: ermeio on February 21, 2016, 10:50:36 PM: By the way, if the rudder is intended as the Lloyd 40.05 one, it is clearly wrong :-)
It had a one piece rudder, as you can see from the photo

(http://i1353.photobucket.com/albums/q662/ermeio/2016%20models/lloyd%2040%2005/LLoyd%20FJ%2040.05%20-%20Copia_zpstgwjyv98.jpg)
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: pustota on February 22, 2016, 03:31:03 AM: Here is my fifty cents:
(http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah119/pustota/FJ.40.05_2_zpsgtgx6bh9.gif) (http://s1378.photobucket.com/user/pustota/media/FJ.40.05_2_zpsgtgx6bh9.gif.html)
(http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah119/pustota/FJ.40.05_1_zpsgpcsm5fq.gif) (http://s1378.photobucket.com/user/pustota/media/FJ.40.05_1_zpsgpcsm5fq.gif.html)
(http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah119/pustota/lloyd%2040%2005%202_zpsnalqsvyb.jpg) (http://s1378.photobucket.com/user/pustota/media/lloyd%2040%2005%202_zpsnalqsvyb.jpg.html)
(http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah119/pustota/lloyd%2040%2005_zpsjprzxwgk.jpg) (http://s1378.photobucket.com/user/pustota/media/lloyd%2040%2005_zpsjprzxwgk.jpg.html)
(http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah119/pustota/Austro%20Daimler%20160PS%202_zpsbee71war.jpg) (http://s1378.photobucket.com/user/pustota/media/Austro%20Daimler%20160PS%202_zpsbee71war.jpg.html)
(http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah119/pustota/Austro%20Daimler%20160%20PS%2030_zpsjwvet5iu.jpg) (http://s1378.photobucket.com/user/pustota/media/Austro%20Daimler%20160%20PS%2030_zpsjwvet5iu.jpg.html)
(http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah119/pustota/Austro%20Daimler%20160%20PS_zpsih3gffy4.jpg) (http://s1378.photobucket.com/user/pustota/media/Austro%20Daimler%20160%20PS_zpsih3gffy4.jpg.html)
(http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah119/pustota/bosch-zh6-magneto-1_zpsdfm1vkve.jpg) (http://s1378.photobucket.com/user/pustota/media/bosch-zh6-magneto-1_zpsdfm1vkve.jpg.html)
(http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah119/pustota/bosch-zh6-magneto-2_zpsugfcmnfg.jpg) (http://s1378.photobucket.com/user/pustota/media/bosch-zh6-magneto-2_zpsugfcmnfg.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: xmald on February 22, 2016, 05:44:00 AM: Thanks for your commitment Pustota and Ermeio! The Information you have provided is very useful!
Jacek has mistaken the rudder spar with stabiliser/rudder division. He is working on another rudder - correct this time.
Pustota, you have posted the pics of the Austro Daimler 160 ps engine - am I not mistaken to think that MAG Daimler - was the same engine just produced in the Hungarian Division of the company?
Egar I think your engines will be absolutely gorgeus!
I`ll post some of his work later - like I mentioned before, he uses an unusual medium to build his models - lager can aluminium to , which are mostly extremely rare subjects from the Polish Air Force history like this Ilya Muromets bomber used by the Poles:
(http://i.imgur.com/Gj1DGSa.jpg)
Hope to post some progress pics soon!
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: xmald on February 22, 2016, 07:54:54 AM: After the initial problems with the Lloyd factory workers - wrong rudder. They succeded in finishing it - this time properly ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/lgS43om.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/iaCNJK2.jpg)
What do you think this time?
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: ermeio on February 22, 2016, 08:28:25 AM: veery goooood!
:)
The french colours are wrong on that rudder, tough :) 8)

Joking... The ruudder is good now.
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: xmald on February 22, 2016, 06:57:07 PM: Cheers!
Do you know what the ailerons and stabilisers were covered with? I would say linen but the horizontal stabilisers look pretty dark in the pictures. What do you think?
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: pustota on February 23, 2016, 12:05:44 AM: In my opinion linen.
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: Thumbs up on February 23, 2016, 03:03:17 AM: These factory workers like their Lager!
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: xmald on February 23, 2016, 05:42:20 AM: Quote from: Thumbs up on February 23, 2016, 03:03:17 AM
These factory workers like their Lager!
They most certainly do ;)... like we all, don`t we? ;) ;)
Quote from: pustota on February 23, 2016, 12:05:44 AM
In my opinion linen.
Pustota, this is exactly my eduacated guess as well.
In the meantime Jacek completed the new, better, bigger... rudder ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/we6Ammt.jpg)
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: ermeio on February 23, 2016, 08:19:07 AM: alieron and stablizers line, horizontal stabilizers seem more dark and glossy, but other similar aircraft have them covered in linen, so i guess linen.
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: pustota on February 23, 2016, 08:39:11 AM: Looking good!
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: xmald on March 05, 2016, 07:09:50 AM: In the meantime Jacek has finished his Muromets project:
(http://i.imgur.com/UZaMNp2.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/IRUkEQt.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/xeon4vw.jpg)

And some update on the Lloyd FJ:
The construction of the horizontal stabiliser:
(http://i.imgur.com/xctCRrt.jpg)
What do you think does it look plausible. There was an extended discussion on the other forum - (our native - Polish one) concerning the possible construction of this part. What do you think about these rounded parts at the front of stabilisers (plywood)?
Fragment of the fuselage:
(http://i.imgur.com/OqSNlTW.jpg)

And the stabiliser covered:
(http://i.imgur.com/JSIJ3Bg.jpg)
What do you think since we are discussing that with Jacek:
1. The stabilisers should be as you can see in the picture.
2. The stabilisers should be flat and simple as for example in Lloyd C.V.
Your opinion is very important for us!
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: pustota on March 06, 2016, 03:57:15 AM: As i can see on the pictures, it flat with rib tape.
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: xmald on March 06, 2016, 04:08:40 AM: Thanks Pustota - I agree with you I also think it should be flat.
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: xmald on March 12, 2016, 05:43:21 AM: We have come to agreement with Jacek and the stabilisers will be cast in both "flat" and with construction visible variants.
Jacek has cast the rudder and the first version of stablisers in resin:
(http://i.imgur.com/NXLADfz.jpg)
IMHO they look really good.
Here is the picture of the wing in progress
(http://i.imgur.com/qHznPBx.jpg)
Let us know what you think!
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: ermeio on March 12, 2016, 06:15:54 AM: Hm, good, but:

the wingtip points up too much
and
the angle of the wooden panels seems suspicious.

just an impression, though - you should provide more photos
er me
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: xmald on March 12, 2016, 06:30:07 AM: Thanks for your remarks. I`ll ask Jacek to take some more pics.
This is just a raw wing - Jacek is going to work on it some more!
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: xmald on March 12, 2016, 08:54:22 AM: Here`s a picture from another angle - maybe it`ll clear things out.
(http://i.imgur.com/tBPvDeK.jpg)
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: pustota on March 13, 2016, 07:25:03 AM: Casted parts looks good!
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: xmald on March 18, 2016, 06:06:05 AM: (http://i.imgur.com/a40O5YJ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/pAoRQqo.jpg)
Those are the wings - I`ve pointed out to Jacek that in my opinion he should still work on the resin one and refine the trailing edge as well as the tapes. After doing so he should copy the refined resin wings.
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: RAGIII on March 18, 2016, 06:09:00 AM: Amazing work! I really am enjoying seeing how he works in metal and turns it into a resin prt!
RAG!!!
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: Des on March 18, 2016, 06:46:07 AM: Incredible to watch, looking forward to seeing more updates.

Des.
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: lone modeller on March 19, 2016, 04:09:37 AM: Beautifully made parts - this is going to be an incredible kit when made.

Stephen
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: xmald on March 21, 2016, 04:42:58 AM: Many thanks, Jacek is very grateful and your comments keep him motivated ;)
Another update - the lower wing Mk. 2 ;) It`s much better in my opinion. Some minor sanding "smoothing" will be required but nothing some sandpaper and a drop of filler won`t cope with...
The older wing is on the left the improved one is on your right:
(http://i.imgur.com/YIqFYuk.jpg)
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: pustota on March 21, 2016, 06:01:56 AM: That much better!
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: xmald on March 27, 2016, 07:43:16 AM: Another update: the upper wings masters:
(http://i.imgur.com/TpU6OnH.jpg)
They are looking very good in my opinion - the shape is correct and they seem very subtle. I hope that the casting won`t show any problems.
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: radio on March 27, 2016, 09:37:17 AM: Exellent!!
Cheers
Martin
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: coyotemagic on March 27, 2016, 10:56:02 AM: Magnificent work thus far!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: pustota on March 28, 2016, 02:34:16 PM: Good job!
Keep it that way.
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Post by: ermeio on March 28, 2016, 06:38:40 PM: Great job!
Keep us up to date with this work.
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: xmald on March 29, 2016, 05:39:04 AM: Thanks guys - your comments keep Jacek very happy!!!
The work on the ailerons has begun:
(http://i.imgur.com/NjJ1Zfq.jpg)
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on April 01, 2016, 12:39:49 PM: i hope i can buy copys of these resin parts when they finish
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: pustota on April 01, 2016, 01:49:11 PM: Well done!
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Post by: uncletony on April 01, 2016, 11:03:35 PM: Great project, following with much interest.
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Post by: RAGIII on April 03, 2016, 03:29:43 AM: This is continuing to be an awesome project!
RAGIII
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Post by: davecww1 on April 03, 2016, 04:38:46 AM: Looking very nice! Please put me on the list to buy resin parts when done :-)
Dave C
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: coyotemagic on April 03, 2016, 08:11:31 AM: Quote from: davecww1 on April 03, 2016, 04:38:46 AM
Looking very nice! Please put me on the list to buy resin parts when done :-)
Dave C
Same here!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: lone modeller on April 04, 2016, 03:22:09 AM: The quality of this work is truly amazing - a major achievement and no doubt it will provide some excellent parts for kits.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: p11c on April 17, 2016, 03:48:48 AM: Hello, I am Jacek. We would like to thank the nice feedback and encouragement :)
This is a small update
(http://i.imgur.com/m5fdZom.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/QudxpHw.jpg)
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: xmald on April 18, 2016, 05:38:32 AM: The right aileron is looking very good but the left one doesn`t have a correct shape IMHO. Keep up the good work Jacek!
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: dr 1 ace on April 18, 2016, 07:41:05 AM: Quote from: lone modeller on April 04, 2016, 03:22:09 AM
The quality of this work is truly amazing - a major achievement and no doubt it will provide some excellent parts for kits.

Stephen.

Ditto , gotta agree !

Ed
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: p11c on April 28, 2016, 02:16:41 PM: (http://i.imgur.com/VQvUwhm.jpg)
Title: Re: Lloyd FJ. 40.05 1/48
Post by: davecww1 on April 30, 2018, 01:35:24 AM: Hi Jasec, any updates on this project? Been over a year since we have seen any updates.