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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: jeroen_R90S on November 26, 2015, 06:41:57 AM
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I'm sorry if you may have read these post over on the 72nd Aicraft forum before; I'm not much of a cross-poster, but instead of simply copying a link I'm rather have the whole thing over here.
So here are a few posts back to the future!
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My resolution for 2015 is to build as many of my stalled and half-baked kits as possible... the EP-3B was first, so on to the next two candidates!
A Roden Fokker D.VII and Albatros D.Va.
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/P1080756_zpsgkrnc6xb.jpg)
With Aviattic Lozenge and Pheon Jasta 18 decals.
The Albatros will be one of these four:
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/P1080759_zpsotxqfjb9.jpg)
The Fokker this one:
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/P1080758_zps1mh57h2x.jpg)
The one above it with the skull is also and OAW early, but I did not like the black edging. The one I'll do has wide green stripes on the tailplane. (true green, looks a bit blueish in the picture)
The remaining options (save for the lone Pfalz D.III and Fokker Dr.I) are Albatros mid and OAW Late, neither of which are avaible from Roden OOB. They can be made from the avaiable kits, but will need louvres, cowlings or access panels added or removed)
As I said, my 2015 resolution (modelling-wise) is to finish all my already started models, and besides, both the Lozenge and Jasta Raben decals were birthday gifts from my wife -but not for the same birthday if you know what I mean!
Here's how it stands so far:
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/P1080762_zpsvjwmbg8b.jpg)
Some home-brewed details in the Albatros cockpit. It seems a simpler build than the D.III (Öffag) I completed recently since the fuselage is 1 piece, including tailskid and rudder.
It still has the 3-piece topwing, but after the Oeffag I knew how to tackle that.
Unlike nearly every other Roden kit, the engine fits completely without hacking and sanding! :blink:
The D.VII on the other hand had all the mods done as per my review:
http://modelingmadness.com/review/w1/ger/koend7.htm (http://modelingmadness.com/review/w1/ger/koend7.htm)
Except that I now have the experiences behind me to hopefully make this build go smoother!
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/P1080765_zpsitbpbcb9.jpg)
I backdated it to an OAW Early since I did not have that kit (Roden does one OOB) and had no intention to buy another...
Removed all cooling louvres and nearly all access-hatches, fabricated a new hatch from thin film and drilled a new hole for the low exhaust. The high hole was stuffed with evergreen, and later removed most of it again when I found out my subject had extra cooling holes in the upper cowling. I also extended the engine shelf and sanded the interiour thinner.
Then I widened the axle wing and lower wing:
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/P1080768_zps0ul5dqw6.jpg)
As noted in my review, all parts that mate to the fuselage are too narrow (or the fuselage is too big -either way, they don't fit!)
I also made sure the horizontal tailplanes fit and deepened the cutout in the fuselage.
I still need to sand the fuselage on the undersites to make sure the rudder meets the the lower fuselage, but I'll do that after assembly. Most of the hard work is done by now, so hopefully some paint in a few days/weeks!
BTW, the control surfaces were animated by sawing the sides with a fine JLC saw, then scribing between the ringes and simply bend them slightly and fix with a drop of CA and then Tamiya Extra Thin.
All other parts are now also cleaned up and removed from the sprues -quite a lot of work on these kits with their flimsy struts!
The engine mods, to the right is the OOB Albatros engine, on the left the heavily modded Fokker engine. I cut off the oil sump, engine front, and left most stuff off that won't be seen. On the Alb engine I had to make some valves from tiny pieces cut off stretched sprue (due to a lack of a punch & die set) as they were in the sprue gate flash. The D.VII uses the same sprue, but had less flash...
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/P1080777_zps67smitgf.jpg)
Jeroen
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Mass-painting (efficient modelling -what...!):
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/P1080781_zpsdfdu7rm5.jpg)
All acylics, primercoat is Vallejo urethane, which dries very quickly and allows quick overpainting with the final colours -also helps with masking in between for different colours.
And a few days later, in between my telephone duty for work, I managed to finish the woodwork with oils:
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/P1080788_zpseqzpr8xv.jpg)
Jeroen
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I managed to do some small stuff in between a lot of other non-hobby related things like family and work (and a 1/24 Hasegawa VW Transporter I'm also working on for a friend)
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/P1080800_zpsat3vh0bg.jpg)
Albatros engine nearly complete; only needs some small brass and wood details done.
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/P1080801_zpstl8dqrht.jpg)
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/P1080803_zpsyikwjasb.jpg)
Albatros interiour almost done, the wash is overdone to keep the effect after everything is closed up. Unfortunately I had to repair the bulkhead, and it still shows. Once assembled it's not that noticable because it is under the fuselage... (hopefully). Bulkhead was apparently fabric and could be linen or lozenge, to try out my new Aviattic lozenge I went for the latter. This is the five-colour upper variation.
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/P1080804_zpsliqp0azr.jpg)
Fokker-insides, inside-out Aviattic lozenges on the sides, and again an overdone wash with dark grey. The rear fabric bulkhead is upper 4-color lozenge, also Aviattic.
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/P1080806_zpseytsbiz6.jpg)
Some small stuff...
And finally I cut most of the lozenge outsides to size, but apart from a pile of lozenge strips that's not very photogenic! :D
Jeroen
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Both Alb and Fokker had their seams treated with CA and Mr Surfacer, the Albatros has been fully rescribed thanks to some very, very faint panel lines and a rough surface texture on the fuselage parts that needed sanding and polishing.
I also made some signal flares for the outsides and modfied a Roden Parabellum from sprue Z into a flare gun, which the D.VII had mounted on it's top wing cutout.
Still need to make the support for that. Both the flares and gun are probably way oversize, but they give an impressium. Fumbling fingers could not get a tidy bracket for the flares, so I left it off.
All holes for struts and rigging were either drilled or deepened (many Roden holes for struts are just dimples). I also cut all Lozenge decals for the wings to size (4 colour for the lower wing surfaces of the Fokker, and 5 color for the Albatros lower wing surfaces, as well as the upper surface of the lower wing.
Getting closer to the primer stage!
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2015-10-04%2014.45.36_zpspe9znpuv.jpg)
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2015-10-04%2014.46.24_zpsr6zvkfns.jpg)
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2015-10-04%2014.46.48_zpshc4zvmlf.jpg)
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2015-10-04%2014.48.24_zpssrwdj61i.jpg)
(there's a flare gun somewhere! :lol: )
Jeroen
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I've been silently working on my kits and while I did quite some things, like pre-drilling rigging holes, fiddling with struts, etc etc, it's not quite much to show for.
I'll give it a try, though!
First I made another flare gun, as I found a picture of the Albatros I'll be doing and in addition to a rear view mirror, it also carried a flare gun on the upper wing centre section cutout.
After that I added those black edge decals from an Airfix decal sheet to reinstate the lost rib details on the 3-piece upper wing:
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2015-10-14%2019.53.56_zpstects6fm.jpg)
I also dry-fitted the D.VII top wing and shortened the rear lower part of the struts by about 1,5mm. The top wing sits a bit low, but it'll have to stand next to my other D.VII and I don't want them to look different. The struts are the correct length, by the way, it is the fuselage that is too tall and makes it look like it sits too low. I reamed the gaps in the axle wing and fitted the struts with Extra Thin, then fitted them to fuselage so everything was measured to be square. And, all that, dryfitted, looks like this:
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2015-10-14%2019.24.04_zps1rdsfx5v.jpg)
I filled the holes on the centre section, as the cabane struts won't fit any more and I'll cut them to length and make them fit about where they should go. Not entirely accurate, but if you get them approximately in position it's not that noticable.
Finally, today the weather was nice enough to open the door in the shed to paint all of it with Mr Surfacer 1200 -I'm quite pleased by the Albatros (not surpisingly, since it is the better fitting kit of the two), but the nose and upsides of the D.VII are also quite nice. The bottom, especially near the wing, will need some extra work, though, but that's mostly a flat area.
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2015-10-23%2014.43.28_zps3p6bytw5.jpg)
Hopefully next week all of it is thoroughly dry and I can sand the seams, re-shoot the areas with primer and then it's hopefully on to the paint colours! :)
Jeroen
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Again, my apologies for mass-posting this way, but the next update will be real-life: I've finished a second (and third!) round of sanding an priming just now, and both models are now primed fully in Mr Surfacer and looking good to my eye -ready for the first "real" paint! :)
Any tips and comments are more than welcome, I'm always willing to learn and improve :)
Jeroen
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Very great start to build both kits Jeroen.
Cheers
Martin
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Jeroen,
Outstanding progress my friend. Lovely couple of little kites!
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Really nice builds! Thanks for posting and catching us up. You have done an excellent job correcting the wing fit issues on both kits. I am looking forward to seeing your next step!
RAGIII
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Good job so far. I like the inner wood effect color. The Roden D-V is not easy to build to say the less (I made 3 in the past year), but your build confirms it's the best choice at this scale, with its crisp details. The 3-part upperwing is a pain in itself, it's due to the numerous Albatros types Roden has issued, as many parts are common to all.
I also think the Roden D-VII is the best one at this scale, compared to the MAC kits, but I haven't built yet any (I have Berthold's boxing in my stack). So I'm curious to see how the building goes.
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Lovely work so far! I've built the Roden Albie, but my DVII was the MAC kit, which needed almost as much work, but in different areas! Looking forward to seeing these resplendent in their Pheon decals.
Ian
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A very nice production line you have happening here, you have done a great job on both kits so far, looking forward to seeing more updates.
Des.
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Beautiful work so far on both models, Jeroen. Looking forward to more.
Cheers,
Bud
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Both are coming along pretty well so far , nice job on the wood effect 8)
Terri
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Thanks for posting this one over here where it can get even more love.
Warren
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It certainly appears to get some love, thank you everyone for your replies! :)
As for the 3-part Albatros wing, earlier this year I built the Encore/Roden Öffag Albatros with the same wing sprue. I built that wing (and this D.Va, too) by taping it to 2 straight files, (files sideways, so they can't flex and also just clear the radiator fore and aft), and pushing the leading edge to a steel ruler. Then I taped the whole thing fixed and glued with Tamiya Extra thin. Since the profiles don't quite match, there's no escaping filler and re-instating some rib details. Though I have to admit this one (which is the second) went better than the Polish Albatros, which needed more sanding/filling.
I had hoped to paint them both basic flat white, to be followed by gloss normal white, but I'm so tired after spending all afternoon learning our oldest boy (3 years + a few months) to learn ride his bicycle, I'm just too tired to get it done... hopefully tomorrow better luck, modelling-wise, as we had a lot of father-son fun this afternoon, and he's very close to cycling on his own now!
I'm really looking forward to seeing the models colour.
I've pretty much stuck to Roden kits as I know what to expect, and can get them locally. Eduard (for the D.Va) or MAC for the D.VIIs I can't get here. Though I have wondered what the MAC D.VIIs look like. I guess you can also call me a Roden fan -I'm still amazed by those thing, sharp trailing edges, beautiful engines, and fine rib- and access panel details. Most of their kits are fiddly, but not hugely difficult -except perhaps for the D.VII, which is close to being a dog of a kit. If it didn't look as nicely detailed as it does, it's probably not worth the effort...
Or wait until 2017 for the Eduard 1/72 D.VII :)
Not ready for it yet, but does anyone have a good pointer for Jasta 18 red?
Best regards,
Jeroen
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You are certainly making better progress than I am on some of my builds! I am attaching a link to a build blog of the Mac DVII from our 2014 Fokker DVII Group Build.
RAGIII
http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=3811.0
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Thanks for that, RAGIII! I suppose it might be worthwile to kitbash a MAC Fokker fuselage with Roden engine/guns and wings/taiplanes! Getting the original parts to fit is probably equally bad...
And MAC has the proper version for Günther Von Buren's chicken-adorned Fokker, which was the one I was really after, but found out later Roden doesn't kit that version... (and the OAW mid I had wasn't right, too, hence the backdating)
Jeroen
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very good job even if for me this scale is too small
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I have to stay that's some serious modelling you've done there
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Thanks again, everyone! Unfortunately my new job (with the same company) kept me away from the bench, but hopefully.... some news soon.
Richard, how I wished for sized sets when I got my single bolts of Aviattic lozenge -cutting them into parallel strips to fit the wings of both is quite difficult. I can't seem to get the edges parallel enough so they fit gapless so far... :(
Jeroen
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Well, not a complete update, but at least something to show I'm still working on those models. After putting in many extra hours for a project at work that is now finished (at least my part of it!) I was given a day off, so some great bench time while being alone at home. That's been a while... ;-) (and yes, I do love my wife and kids tremendously!)
Some time ago I got measurements from a Wingnut Wings Albatros that I converted to 1/72 to determine the strut lengths for the Albatros. The cabane struts were shortened by about 1mm, and everything cleaned up for primer. Lots of mould seams on very delicate parts, but I managed to keep them all in one piece.
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2015-11-03%2020.03.39_zpstoii4zcd.jpg)
The wing V-struts were apparently the correct length compared to the Wingnut kit.
Afer painting the whole models + loose parts flat white for coverage and then some gloss white, I found out I had somehow missed a few spots that needed some more sanding. So that was done:
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2015-12-11%2019.55.49_zpsywzzqmps.jpg)
The fuselage on the Roden D.VII somehow had a big fat sinkmark I'd missed in the side, and the bit behind the cockpit opening wasn't quite right, too.
They were then touched up with Revell Aqua acrylic gloss white, which was then polished (the only acrylic I manage to do that on!) to get rid of some imperfections and orange peel -only to reveal some more on the underside of the Fokker nose and near the tail skid of the Albatros! Unfortulately it appears the CA filling method does not really go together with the soft Roden plastic, so for the next I'll resort back to normal filler. Live and learn, I guess.
Then it was time for a fun job, masking the wing/fuselage ribs:
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2015-12-18%2011.57.41_zpsydl6nisx.jpg)
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2015-12-18%2014.24.27_zpsl544q67g.jpg)
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2015-12-18%2014.24.35_zpsw19r9ynf.jpg)
My intention is now to shade the white, then mask all of the white off, and then the red parts, then maks the "red" ribs and shade those. The green decals can hopefully be shaded with some dark pastels, as I'm afraid of masking over decals...
The entire Albatros top wing was also painted gloss white, both as an undercoat for the red, and to mask off the white cross panels. Those were masked temporarely to help with the rib masking. (still to be applied here)
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2015-12-18%2011.57.47_zpszxjt72en.jpg)
I also scratch built an anemometer from a Toko Sopwith Strutter bomb, but even though it is massively overscale, my camera is unable to focus on it! Except for the mirror for the Albatros and the Oigee sight for the Fokker, that's pretty much it as far as scratch-building is concerned.
Hopefully I'll be able to finish masking this weekend and can start getting cramped fingers from all that shading getting airbrushed!
Jeroen
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Your kits are progressing quite nicely! I am looking forward to seeing the shading underway!
RAGIII
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Hi Jeroen,
I still have the 2 spare fuselages that came with the MAC kit:
(http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z424/Ian_Brand/001_43.jpg)
If either are the correct one for the version you were looking for let me know, I'll be happy to send it to you!
Ian
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Great progress! (And I'm still working on your Fokker package. I have some time this weekend, hopefully I can get it in the mail. ;) )
Warren
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very good job on these small ;D planes
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Thanks everyone!
@Ian: thank you for your generous offer! As Warren already posted, he's working on a MAC package, so I think I'm pretty well covered in that regards pretty soon. Nonetheless, thank you again for your kindness :) BTW, did your MAC Fokker really come with 3 fuselage types? That's pretty amazing!
Spent five hours of masking the ribs and some of the white to prevent overspray, and just finished an hour worth of airbrushing. Obviously I'm not an airbrush master like some if you, but I had a fun time, even if I'm not 100% happy with some area's. (but then: am I ever 100% with a model?? :P ) At times like this I wonder why I ever started two models at the same time! :)
However, I can always mist some more white over it to tone it down, but I'll have a look first how it looks when all the red parts and lozenge is on. The things look quite naked now.
Fully masked and ready:
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2015-12-18%2016.08.46_zpsv37kflyf.jpg)
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2015-12-18%2020.22.23_zpsl2lkvuw9.jpg)
And after an hour of airbrushing, and another of peeling off al the tiny strips of tape:
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2015-12-19%2019.45.46_zpssptexvnv.jpg)
Quite hard to take a proper picture, since it gets dark here at around 17:00.
BTW, I experimented with a mixture of white, some dark grey, and gloss varnish, but after some experimentation settled on 10 drops of Tamiya Gloss X-22, 2 drops of Smoke X-19 and 5-6 drops of X-20A acrylic thinner. I went over it 2 times for the normal alreas, and 4 times for the yet to be Lozenged surfaces to act as a preshading.
Now for the red parts!
Jeroen
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Much masking and half an hour of painting later:
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-01-07%2021.32.33_zpsybt6kgra.jpg)
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-01-07%2021.33.59_zpsxir6rnln.jpg)
They look really toylike in gloss red and white...! When everything is completely dry/hardened I'll take care of some overspray here and there and very minor paint peel on the lower parts of the Fokker lower wing.
After that, on to shade the red fabric parts.
After some experimentation, I settled on Revell Aqua Ferrari red with a drop or 2 of black added to a full airbrush cup. They are unusually bright for my collection, normally I'm not really a massive fan of these gaudy schemes!
Jeroen
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Really nice painting on these two! The red and white are certainly striking schemes! I am looking forward to seeing your shading process.
RAGIII
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VERY NICE WORK
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Having made a few 1/72 biplanes I can really appreciate the work you're putting into these. Love that colour scheme. It does stand out. No wonder they got shot down ;)
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A very colourful pair of birds, these models will be stunning when completed.
Des.
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Thanks for the kind words, RAGIII, Albatros1234, Toby and Des!
I'm kind of struggling getting proper pieces of Lozenge decals cut (I have the bolt-version of Aviattic lozenges). Somehow I can't get them exactly square, so either the sides or front don't line up properly.
At least the paint job looks good, that's one part of modelling (next to decals) I mostly manage to mess up!
The thread about cutting thin decal strips has given my an idea to cut proper bolts of lozenge, too. :)
Jeroen
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And it worked -I glued 2 X-acto blades to some pieces of precisely cut/sanded sprue and was able to cut them nice and straight, after a bit of practice!
However, I neglected to account for the "seam" joins so I have re-done them slightly narrower. The first 2 bolts from the wing root were already added before that -hence why I started with the lower surfaces of the lower wings first!
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-01-14%2019.53.49_zpsbowhatva.jpg)
After fighting and cursing Techmod lozenge on 2 D.VIIs and one E.V, I've found the Aviattic very easy to work with. In fact, they're so thin and flexible you can see some small dust particles underneath! Great stuff -my new 1/72 favourite decals. :)
Now on to the paint repairs first, but I just wanted to try those decals first. ;)
Jeroen
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Great stuff! Now you'll just need to get some of the pre-joined lozenge and save yourself the effort of cutting individual strips and allowing for the seams!
Ian
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Wonderful work and painting.
Cheers
Martin
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Hi Jeroen
you make a very wonderful work
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Great work on the lozenge decals. I'm not looking forward to doing them on mine but I've got enough if it goes wrong. Hopefully it won't.
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Great work on the lozenge decals. I'm not looking forward to doing them on mine but I've got enough if it goes wrong. Hopefully it won't.
First let me say I agree about the great work! Your lozenge has been applied quite nicely! Second for Toby,
Don't fear using Aviattic Lozenge. Follow the "Suggestions" that come along with the sheets and I am sure you will do well.
RAGIII
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Thank you all for the kind words! I must admit my least liked thing, modelling-wise, has always been painting and decalling. Since switching to Revell Aqua and Lifecolor, as well as Tamiya X-22 for gloss, my painting has improved and I get to enjoy it more -though I still like the building phase more.
I've never loved decalling, since I can't seem to influence the process in any way. The decals are either rightly sized, printed or of good quality, or not, and that's about it. If they are oversized or translucent when they should not, there's not much you can do about it.
It's high praise for the Aviattic decals that after dinner I look forward to putting on a few bolts of lozenge decals, since they are very thin yet strong, have a great application manual, and actually work as advertised. On top of that, I really like the colours, too.
A thing or 2 I've found out: don't use too warm/hot water, since they'll shrink a bit and leave a white line on the join, and wait a few days before cutting the excess off. I've found a sharp hobby scissors works best for this. If they're not fully cured, they will stretch, but not cut. Could just be me, though! :)
Regarding the bolts vs joined, when I ordered these some years ago, Richard advised me the joined version was still in the works. Since I wanted to use it for fuselages and interiors, too, I went for the bolts since they are more flexible in use (but more work on wings as you can see!) My modelling budget is quite tight, otherwise I'd gotten both the joined sheet and the tailor made D.VII wing lozenges in 1/72 too.
If had the money to spend I'd gotten all needed sheets in 1/32 for my D.VII, as well. :)
Just finished most of the upper decals for this Albatros wing, pictures will follow when done. They're kind of an experiment, as I intend to use a light blue paint pen for the rib tapes.
Jeroen
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You've done great work my friend! Also, thank you so much for offering up your personal experiences in working with these. I've never used any kind of lozenge decals before, so I'm trying to absorb all I can from others before I do.
Warren
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Thank you Warren!
I get so much inspiration from here that the least I can do is offer something of my limited experience back... It isn't really difficult, just time-consuming, especially the rib tapes. I found a dark pink and light blue paint pen at the local art&craft store (I went looking for the four and five colour lozenge pens, but they didn't have those! :P) with a very fine tip, and after some experimentation it seems it's a whole lot easier than using decals for rib tapes, especially the leading and trailing edges.
Some experimenting on a piece of leftover lozenge shows it works better on a flat surface, so they'll have to be flatcoated first. When I'm done I'll take some pictures and look up the type of pen I got...
In the meantime, the upper surfaces were finished, but not trimmed yet:
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-01-18%2020.09.25_zpskvwgb08e.jpg)
And trimmed and put next to the model -colourful indeed! ;-)
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-01-20%2020.34.44_zps5wt6aimn.jpg)
Hopefully my next report will be on the paint pen! :)
Jeroen
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Thanks, do tell us about the pen. I've had friends use the side of a paintbrush loaded with color, but very carefully, on the scalloped trailing edge. Looks great so far!
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Great work Jeroen.
Cheers
Martin
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Thanks, Warren and Martin :)
I did try the pen, and had mixed results. When I get the remaining shading done (hopefully this evening when the children are sleeping) I'll try to do a proper update this week!
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Well, after spending time modelling instead of surfing the interwebs, I managed to make some more progress on my Jasta 18 duo...
First of all, let me start with te paint pen. Quite simply put; I'm not convinced yet!
This is the pen on a piece of scrap Aviattic lozenge, straigt from the sheet (as in glossy):
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-01-20%2020.46.45_zpsq5exq6kr.jpg)
That did show some promise with regard to the with, but the lines are very wobbly because the surface is too glossy.
So, after a coat of matte varnish, a second try:
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-01-28%2020.05.37_zpsagjmhboy.jpg)
The lines adhere better, but guiding them is quite troublesome. Unlike a normal pen, the entire tip is filled with paint, so you need your guide set up quite high. Just guiding on a flat piece of paper is hard enough, let alone on a piece of curved wing. The process is too uncontrolled for my taste, and as you can see an even coat of matte is essential -the runs and fallen of pieces are where I didn't get enough mattcoat on.
It is very useful for leading- and trailing edges, but for the ribs themselfs I think I'll stick with decals this time.
By the way, the pen can be scraped off with a fingernail in case of mistakes.
But, on to the next bits of work, which speak pretty much for themself with pictures I suppose:
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-01-28%2020.35.55_zpsfxukoakc.jpg)
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-01-31%2013.58.05_zpsljrhx1iq.jpg)
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-02-02%2020.14.17_zpsnc6prayo.jpg)
I misted the shading on the fuselage a bit more with red, as it was too stark for my taste. And boy, does that gloss with this lighting show off my crummy backdating work! ::)
Then more Aviattic lozenge decals:
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-02-02%2020.12.38_zps0ckcx1at.jpg)
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-02-02%2020.13.00_zpsdfzu3vpl.jpg)
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-02-02%2020.12.48_zps9nlentsr.jpg)
Well, that can cure now so I can snip it to size and add the ribtapes.
I had a bit of a mishap with the underside of the Fokker top wing, as I recycled tape for masking the underside off (which I do almost every time for years!), somehow some well-dried red paint adhered to the white, forcing a partial respray.
Might re-do the entire surface, as the partial respray isn't quite nice.
Jeroen
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Still looking great friend. You're making great progress.
Warren
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Wonderful progress Jeroen.
Cheers
Martin
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You are progress beautifully Jeroen, this is shaping up to be a really nice model.
Des.
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Thanks for the kind words, Richard, Warren, Martin and Des! :)
Also thanks for the suggestion, Richard -who would have guessed you can use liquid glue to melt decals!
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I tried 3 methods on a piece of scrap model with leftover bits of decal, and here are my findings:
1) Daco medium: not really suited for edges, but after poking a little hole it's great for getting rid of bubbles or getting the decals to confirm just that little better around e.g. access panels on Albatros wings.
2)Mr Mark Softer: will melt Hasegawa decals to goo -great stuff if used in small quantities. And it is also great stuff for getting the edges around the leading and trailing edges without damaging the paintwork. But if you let it puddle, it'll attack the colours, just as it does on Hasegawa/Tamiya decals.
3) Tamiya Extra Thin: really, really hot stuff that I would only advise as a last resort. Can damage the paint and colours of decals, even in small amounts. However, great stuff for getting that little edge to fold, or that very persistent wrinkle.
As a side note, it appears after "setting" the edges with Mr Mark, they get more brittle and appear easier to cut with a new knife blade.
I've just finished melting them with Mr Mark, so I'll report back (hopefully later this week) on how it all went. :)
Jeroen
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That's some great work you're doing there and thank you for the advice re the lozenges. Much appreciated
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Thanks Toby! Glad the info was helpful :)
I managed to cut the lozenge decals mostly quite well, especially the trailing edges. For the leading edges, especially the on the thick Fokker wings, I would follow Richard's advice and put them in the right spot so they don't need to be trimmed. I scraped a bit of paint off there so will have to touch up a bit with red.
I've found cutting the blue rib tapes from my Wingnuts Fokker DVII kit in half to look quite good, so currently doing that (rather boring) job. At least they're of much better quality than the Techmod ribtapes I previously used.
Hopefully a proper update soon...
Jeroen
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Still not much of an update, but I'm still working on my models. There jus isn't quite a lot to show on doing Lozenge and rib-tapes!
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-02-24%2010.39.27_zpsapegbhfr.jpg)
Re-painted the underside of the Fokker wing entirely, including masking and painting the shading for a second time due to the tape mishap I posted about earlier.
Rib tapes are from a Wingnut Wings Fokker DVII sliced in half, they are Cartograf printed so work much better than those old Techmod ones. These were also too wide, but so brittle slicing them proved impossible...
Hopefully I finish the Fokker wing this evening, then glosscoat all of it and get on with the rest of the rib tapes and other decals.
Jeroen
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Progress is progress whether a large amount or small! Looking great!
RAGIII
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Very clean work, and subtle shading effects. Looks like they're going to be eye-candy to say the least...
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Thanks for the kind words, Richard, RAGIII and Vincent! :)
Through this forum I got a batch of MAC DVIIs which, when I get to them, will get the pre-sized treatment. The schemes I intend are wings-only, so they would be perfect for that, and I still have the remnants of these sheets for the interiour decals and stuff like wheels and such. Although I have to admit I find applying the decals and rib-tapes a rather relaxing job -which is odd, as decalling is one of my least favourite modelling activities!
Had to help a friend move to a new house on saturday and since it was cold but sunny weather here I went outdoors with my son, so not much progress at the moment ;-)
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Finally managed to get the glosscoat on and some decals! :)
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-03-12%2021.14.06_zps4wzjyxgq.jpg)
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-03-12%2021.14.33_zpsqqohwrvn.jpg)
Some of the green edging on the Fokker will need a bit of touch-up, but otherwise going quite smoothly, which is most unusual for me! :)
Hopefully in the next days some time to browse all the other great build threads!
Jeroen
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They're looking great, they'll certainly put a little colour on your display shelf!
Ian
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Very nice schemes! They look excellent and like Ian said very colorful with the decals on!
RAGIII
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Beautiful paintschemes. Your D-Va wears exactly the same as mine: http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=5914.msg108082#msg108082
I read somewhere that this machine was part of an OAW-built batch, so I used blue ribtapes. D'you any further info about that?
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The "Rabens" are progressing nicely. Well done.
S.
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Thank you all for the kind words! :) Today I have an unexpected day off (been working this weekend on a Radiology software update) so they gave me 2 other days off), so hopefully I can get the rest of the decals on. :)
@Vincent: other than the 2 pictures you posted (stunning build by the way, if mine turns out half as good I'd be very happy indeed!) I don't have much more information. According to "general consensus" light tapes in pictures were probably blue or linen, so I'll go for blue as you did. That also gives a nice contrast to all that red and white.
I also spotted that I perhaps used the wrong tail cross or Pheon's size is a bit off, as it looks much smaller like the fuselage one. I'll try to pull it off with some tape and replace.
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I haven't found out where I went wrong with the tail cross, but I managed to get it off cleanly and have applied the smaller cross of option 1, which looks better... pictures to follow! :)
Thanks again,
Jeroen
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very good schemes
brilliant work
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Beautiful shemes with exellent painting.
Cheers
Martin
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Great work so far friend.
Warren
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Nice to read that the D-Va reference pics I posted helped.
These are the only ones I could find but the closeup gives enough information on details to make a serious model. Unfortunately I couldn't find anything about the pilot, whenever he's known. This bird was probably also pictured in the lineup of Jasta 18 machines that was photographed at the same period.
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Thank you everyone for the kind words! Unfortunately, apart from applying a few decals, not much has been done on the models. Big projects at work mean I'm not really in a mood to do some modelling. The one evening I tried nearly ended in a dropped Fokker...! Hopefully this Easter-weekend will have some quiet modelling time for me :)
Happy Easter!
Jeroen
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Two beautiful looking models Jeroen, sorry to hear that you dropped one but I'm sure you will be able to get it looking superb again.
Des.
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A lovely pair of ravens Jeroen.
Chris
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I'm sorry for not getting back to everyone who commented earlier, but I've been busy converting an older VW Van to a camper van, and the lovely summer weather and family activities kept me away from the workbench.
But now that the van is put in storage for the winter to be picked up again next April, I got back to the bench and tediously applied ribtapes on those surfaces that needed them.
I'll let the pictures to the talking, mostly :)
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-10-01%2010.19.21_zps86cry7ce.jpg)
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-10-01%2010.18.25_zpsyfp4np1l.jpg)
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-10-01%2010.17.51_zpsiek0l91s.jpg)
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-10-01%2010.18.08_zpsqvvav871.jpg)
As I stated earlier in their sub-forum, a big thanks to Pheon for sending me the green trim to patch the white edges showing through! (the white you see now is decal film the needs a bit of trimming)
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-10-01%2010.17.18_zpsa99ycbqw.jpg)
The small rudder cross looks more like the pictures VincentM posted earlier in his thread.
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-10-01%2010.16.52_zps1yswap2c.jpg)
I used Wingnut Wings ribtapes sliced in half, unfortunately by the time I got the hang of cutting them pretty equal in width (and tossing quite a few in the process) I'm nearly done. They do work quite well, even on the leading edges of the wings. (though, obviously, the Fokker with it's blunt leading edge is easier than the thin Albatros wing!)
This'll have to dry a bit, then I can add the remaining tapes and do the underside of the Albatros lower wings and add a good glosscoat again.
Slowly but surely I'm going towards that point where all (hopefully!) comes together... ;)
Jeroen
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Very nice work on the ravens, really nice!
Borsos
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Really brilliant work, Jeroen! I love these Jasta 18 markings. A while back, I built Monnington's D.VII. Now I'm tempted to do a few more. Gorgeous!
Cheers,
Bud
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Outstanding work on both! Lovely schemes and beautiful execution.
RAGIII
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It's nice to see that you are working on these again!
Steve
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It certainly is nice to see you get back to these.
Warren
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Thanks everyone for the kind words! I try to get to the workbench every evening now, even if it is only for a few ribtapes or some small parts. In the end the whole thing will (hopefully!) get together, and I end up with some rather flashy looking models :)
I don't want to rush them, but I'm also somewhat eager to start my 1/32 DVII..... have to clear these off the bench first! :)
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Jeroan,
I have only just found this but I have read through the thread. Wonderful that these are in God's Own Scale: even more wonderful is the standard of the finish on these models. They are extremely colourful machines but these markings are exceptionally well represented. I am looking forward to seeing them completed as they will be a winning pair!
Stephen.
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Thank you, Stephen! Trying my best! :)
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As others have said, it's great to see these getting a little more bench time. I'm looking forward to the next colourful update!
Ian
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Thanks, Ian! Not much bench time this weekend unfortunately, but hopefully there'll be something worthwile to show in a few days. :)
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Unfortunately it did take more than a few days, but some news at last :)
Unfortunately, my pictures don't show it really well, but I've put on a glosscoat and did some weathering. I also put on the final wing decals and have placed an order for Ushi's rigging wire. Since structuray rigging is barely needed in 1/72 I'm giving it a try.
Most small parts have been done as well, so it is really a matter of letting the oils dry to put on a flat coat on wood and linen parts, and satin on the metal bit of both.
Then, slowly, finally, some assembly. Hopefully they'll be completed in 2016, for my only 2 completions! :)
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-11-23%2013.18.39_zpsvqlzywdr.jpg)
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-11-23%2013.18.55_zpsyfwvlwgv.jpg)
I'm not sure if this is the right style of cross, but the Roden ones shattered and weren't opaque enough, so I used what came with the Pheon decals.
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-11-23%2013.19.36_zpspo1vlukt.jpg)
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-11-23%2013.20.37_zpsboln0p4z.jpg)
Like I wrote, the weathering is kind of subtle, so it doesn't really show up... in real life it does, though :)
Jeroen
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Both look terrific! To me subtle weathering is the way to go. Especially in a smaller scale! Well done all around.
RAGIII
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Great looking birds, love what you have done so far. Looking forward to your next update.
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Looking great!
Warren
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Very good work on both.
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Thank you everyone for the kind words, they are really encouraging. In this phase of a build I seem to lose interest and try to finish them as fast as possible... I tried to keep calm and not rush, and ended up with maybe half an hour of modelling per day over a few days, and somehow....
Kind of focusing on the Fokker now, but where applicable the Albatros gets some work done, too -like painting the leather coaming, guns, etc.
Put on the flat coat, I read in an Airfix Modelling magazine I got for my birthday last month a modeller rubbed his paint with a coffee filter -it works!
I rubbed/polished the metal cowl parts and they are now slightly more shiny than the flat fabric surfaces. I hope the final (day) pictures will show the effect.
I cleaned up all the rigging holes, painted details, and fitted the outer wing struts and guns. The undercarriage was also glued on.
All that dry-fitting and planning ahead has finally paid off, since everything actually went quite smoothly -though I probably should not write that, as it's an invitation to disaster! :)
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-11-29%2020.54.39_zpskuljrfmi.jpg)
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-11-29%2021.13.11_zpsxfgk651t.jpg)
Picures arent the best, but that's dark and cold November weather for you...
Jeroen
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By the way, anyone have an idea what colours to use for the flares on the sides of the fuselages?
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Jeroen,
Outstanding my old friend. A special tip of the hat for such wonderful work in 1/72 scale. Well Done!
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Looks awesome with the top wing on! This is going to be a great DVII .
RAGIII
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Drive on Jeroen!!
Warren
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Outstanding Jeroen, have a look at some of the WnW instructions on their site for the flare colors. They have them listed as red, blue green and white.
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Thank you, Gregory, Rick, Warren and Juan! :)
I've managed to get the front struts for the Fokker wing on (the ones running from the fuselage to the forward bit of the top wing) and have fiddled with the remaining 6; 4 more wing struts and the 2 tail supports.
Thanks for the tip on the WNW site, I found the notes about the flares, but not much else, so I browsed the "customer models" section and found some examples on the Pfalz DIIIa. Thanks Juan! :)
I've also cleaned up the pre-drilled rigging holes and fiddled with a way of attaching the Albatros lower wings. Can't really seem to find a way to use my D.III jig, ad the D.Va is too rounded. The D.III has a more flat belly, so to speak.
I'm still modelling in short stints to prevent rushing these to the finish Thanks for the support! :)
Jeroen
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Beautiful planes. You do an outstanding job, Jeroen.
Manni
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Thank you, Manni! :)
I've hit a little snag with the Albatros... I used measurements from a Wingnut Wings kit for the struts and interplane gap, and they looked spot on. However, when I dry-fitted it all it worked, but the engine wasn't installed. It turned out that the engine somehow sits a bit tilted and too high, which I failed to notice.
The result is now that not only the interplane gap is "optically" too small, but also that the decompression handle on the back of the engine hits the top wing. :(
I've used some old struts leftover from my Gotha built to fabricate extensions, unfortunately this also means my carefully adjusted cabane struts needed lengthening. I've added all the plastic extensions and sanded them into shape, but will need to re-paint and re-fit them all.
Not insurmountable, but annoying none the less -and no-one to blame but myself! :P
While all of that is drying I opened the Wingnut Wings Fokker DVII box that has been eying me for over a year. Everything is huge! But all those flimsy struts and tiny Roden parts do help with e.g. removing and cleaning up all the thin fuselage frames of the big Fokker.
When there's more to show than a big pile of cleaned up grey parts I'll open a build log for that one, too.
Jeroen
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Bummer about the Albatros struts but I am sure you will sort it out! I am looking forward to your big Fokker build!
RAGIII
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Well, it was sort of sorted with strut extensions:
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-12-10%2020.03.16_zpsrcmhyg1k.jpg)
Until I tried to fit the machine guns. Since the engine sits too high they interfere with the to-be placed exhaust and intake manifolds. :(
So it was either leave off the guns, save the wings and toss the fuselage, or cut the engine free and lower it.
Well, I'll save you all the gory details of cracked open seams, lost engine valves, paint damages here and there etc etc...
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-12-11%2015.12.53_zpsanau5ppv.jpg)
And I forgot the broken wing... :(
But, after much fiddling...
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-12-11%2015.26.07_zpsan6z4xtw.jpg)
The wing is now settling after being re-glued and the engine now sits in it's proper place. Unfortunately I'll probably have to re-shorten the struts now... but I'll save that for later after I repaired all the other little damages. I've kind of used my modelling energy for a week on this model.
The big Fokker has had some small sub-assemblies prepared and glued, and it is a relevation after a few dodgy resin conversions and Roden biplanes! ;D Like I wrote, it's huge for me -the engine alone is nearly the same size as the whole 1/72 D.Va. ;)
Still happy I decided to persist with the little Albatros, though.... :)
Jeroen
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Oh, with all the fiddling I completely wasted one of the Roden machine guns... :( Anyone have a spare Spandau from sprue Z around...??
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You are a better Man than me. I probably would have given up had this been my build :-[ That being said keep on going, you are almost there now.
RAGIII
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Thank you -once the wing is set, I can re-try the struts (cutting a bit off is always easier than lengthening) and add the broken off intake manifold and replace some of the broken little valves. A bit of paint touch up here and there and it'll (hopefully) mostly be hidden by the top wing and machine guns later on. Hopefully someone has a crashed project and a Spandau around, I can always try Roden but that might take a while...
Thanks for the support -I try to teach my little boys to be determined and persistent, so I guess I sometimes have to lead by example! ;) ;D
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So sorry this happened, but glad you stuck it through.
Warren
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Thank you Warren -since the rest of both models went quite smoothly I was due for that little disaster that seems to haunt every model I build. Too bad you know it will happen, just not when! ;)
This afternoon our oldest boy (4) had a birthday party at a friend, and while our youngest was sleeping I managed to repair some damaged paint, scratched the 3 missing valves and re-drilled the prop shaft hole. Definately something wrong with either the engine or the fuselage, as the top is now OK, but the prop shaft is way too low. I suppose that's why I missed the engine sitting too tall on top -if the prop shaft is centered, what could be wrong then?
Anyway, wing is properly back on, paint damages fixed (need some polishing), forward part of the intake manifold put back on, valves repaired and I added the sole remaining machine gun:
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-12-13%2020.08.25_zpsg435emd0.jpg)
Now hopefully I can find another gun and that sheet of acetate to make that odd windshield... then it's off to the paint shop for strut painting for both models and hopefully some more assembly towards completion. :)
Jeroen
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Did you use the kit engine?
Warren
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Yes, it was the kit engine. Problem is probably like all Mercedes DIII engined Roden models, the generic engine sprue doesn't always mate up with the kit very well. On the Fokker I had to cut the entire sump and front end up, or it would have been too high and far rearwards so the exhaust doesn't fit.
Thanks to Mathias (Malaula) I have a new Spandau on the way so I took advantage of this knowledge and painted the repaired struts and wing radiator :)
I also painted the struts of the Fokker at the same time, so that should see some work being done later, as well. :)
Jeroen
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:D
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Well... it doen't happen very often, but I'm miffed... I took all measuments from a Wingnut Wings D.Va but somehow it seems the top wing stil looksl too low to my eye -even after lengthening the struts? :(
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-12-27%2019.56.22_zps9kh0gx9n.jpg)
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-12-27%2019.59.27_zpskpmfjjsg.jpg)
But I'm not really that knowledgable on the D.Va so I may be wrong... honest opinions (and even better, actual measurements of the interplane gap near the wing roots, and coaming to top wing!) would be mostly appreciated. Now that I have a Spandau ready for paint I'm kind of stuck and thinking in circles.... :-\
If I were to mount the windshield now it would almost touch the upper wing.
On the other hand, the remaining struts of the D.VII fitted very well and are now securely in place.
Miffed,
Jeroen
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Hi Jeroen,
you spotted the issue correctly and Justin is right as to the correction. The lower wings had a slight dihedral. Once you correct that, your Albie should be all fine.
Great job so far, looking forward to further progress!
Cheers
Ondra
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wow, that was quick! :)
Here's a quick head-on shot... I did add dihedral, but apparently not enough?
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/2016-12-27%2019.58.32_zpsofvqqicg.jpg)
Those Roden wings are very flexible indeed, so a bit of bending might help (or snap them off :P )
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dihedral looks ok to me -- it's not much on actual D.V/a
and the gap between top of fuselage/greasy bits and upper wing is not much, either -- yours looks ok to me judging purely by mk 1 eyeball
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Ok, I think I see the problem now. Thanks for the new picture.
Based on that photo, I would say that the issue is not the dihedral. It rather looks like a problem with the length of the rear interplane strut - should actually be longer. Now the upper wing is in a different angle to the horizontal axis than the lower. Probably this causes the problem of the upper wing looking like sitting too close to the fuselage (the trailing edge of the wing is too close to the cockpit coaming).
Ondra
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Thanks, Bo and Ondra :)
The Roden wings are very flexible so they will take a bit of extra dehidral. Though, looking at the Wingnut Wings side profiles the upper wing seems to be at nearly the same level of the windshield too...
(http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af234/Jamo_kiwi/Airshow%20Nov%202012%20TVAL/RumeyAlbatrosf.jpg)
Picture found on Hyperscale from James Fahey.
Unfortunately, the struts are fixed already with Revell Contacta so won't come off easily. Part of the problem may also be the gun, it won't go deeper (and I fixed the engine already lower) and still seems to sit too high. That also creates a bit of an optical narrow gap.
I'll sleep a night over it; thanks for your opinions and carpenter's eyes :)
Jeroen
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After looking again a few times I think Ondra has found the culprit.... the rear part of the V struts seem too short. When I dryfitted the cabane struts they would not line up unless I tilted the wing backwards even more.
I'm afraid they'll have to come off...
Thanks again for th ideas! :)
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How sad is this misshap! I think I wouldn't have noticed the upper wing sitting too low in this very case. Can I help out with some scans of the eduard 1/72 Albatros D V struts? I once build one or two and as far as I remember the struts were fine.
Borsos
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Hi Borsos,
Thanks for the offer! :)
If you can scan the interplane and cabane struts (or measure them up if that's easier), I may make some final corrections as I had a productive evening modelling fixing this...
I removed (as in, snapped off) the struts, added stretched sprue rods to lengthen (that Wingnut Wings plastic is a keeper for this!) and drilled out the snapped off parts from the locating holes.
Superglue, sanding, blending, breaking, cursing, patience, measuring, etc etc.........:
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-12-28%2020.45.29_zpsfen0wxe1.jpg)
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-12-28%2020.45.44_zpst7rewrbs.jpg)
One other side-effect of lengthening the rear part of the V-struts is that the lower wing now sits in the middle of the upper one as it should be:
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2016-12-28%2020.50.10_zpsqygxbldp.jpg)
And the cabane struts, while off lengthwise, will now at least come close to the holes instead of ending up 1mm away from them when viewed from the sides. They also all line up now.
The gap seems a bit too much at the moment, but making it smaller is always easier, and the stuts just sit there not glued but with some poster-buddy sticky stuff (similar to Blue-Tack) so they aren't fully seated in their holes yet. I'm also very curious as to how they match up to Eduard's from Borsos' kit :)
Thanks for the support and ideas so far, I was inclined to leave it like it was but I'd be sure it would always bug me when looking at the model.
Happier now,
Jeroen
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You have an extraordinary will to get this correct! I would have given up long ago :-[ I think you are on the right track now!
RAGIII
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If you can scan the interplane and cabane struts (or measure them up if that's easier),
keep i mind the cabane struts are not planar -- though in 1/72 it won't be by much. Viewed head-on, the forward struts are at a different angle relative to the fuselage than the two in the rear
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RAGIII; thanks for the support -when you teach your kids persistance, I have to show some of it myself, don't I... sometimes I do wish I'd give up easier or take easier way out. But I guess that's how I am and my collegues all the more appriciate that trait if some ICT thingie has a problem :)
Bo; thanks for the reminder, I remember now from my D.III Öffag. I have, in the meanwhile, received the scans from Borsos and have adjusted accordingly -with a bit of extra added. Always easier to shorten something a bit.
Those scans at least give me a rough approximation; a bit of fine tuning will probably be needed anyway. Judging by previous Roden kits I would not be surprised if one fuselage half is a tiny bit different from the other, too! :)
Hopefully some painting tomorrow, I'll definately need new superglue. The one I have now takes ages to dry and is kind of thick. Great for strut modifications, though!
Jeroen
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getting there... took me 2 evenings of sanding, filling, breaking them (again), fitting again, taking a bit more off... etc.
Printing the scans from Borsos and matching the interplane struts showed mine were a hair longer -as in, if I were to dril the holes a bit deeper, they'd be the same length.
The cabane struts were lengthened earlier and matched to the scans, too. I made them a bit longer, and after a dryfit it all appeared to come together, if not too long as of yesterday evening:
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/2016-12-31%2015.30.14_zpsgyuydiuw.jpg)
I have since shortened them a bit more, but more helpful was actually drilling the holes in the fuselage to 0,9mm size so I could push the lower sides into them as deep as required. This seems to work; and they fit quite well now, but the pictures I took were unusable.
One thing I learned is that lengthening struts by about 1mm is difficult, as the little end tends to break off easiliy. With hingsight it would have been better to cut some 4-5mm off, and repair that so the vulnerable outer ends don't break so easy.
Anyway, they're finally ready for the paint shop for a coat of primer and red. I will also paint the Spandau then, so I can finally start thinking about getting the whole thing together!
Jeroen
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Well... it's been a while, and while I haven't spent a lot of time on modelling, I still managed to get some of those little things done that finally seem to come together. Hopefully I'll be able to participate some more in here too, I had to dig the thread from page 3 so I have a lot of reading to do!
Little stuff:
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2017-02-21%2021.10.07_zpsbljoa42f.jpg)
Wheels (obviously), 2 flare guns modified from Roden Parebellum type MGs, probably wholly inaccurate, but both machines had them fitted on the top wing. I also made a mirror for the Albatros (not pictured), and the grey tube with rods will be an Oigee sight. The final little black thing that I hope is recognizable is the anemometer for the Fokker. It still needs to have the dial painted, but is so tiny it'll probably be easier to paint when it is attached!
This is how the Fokker currently looks. Not much different from before, but I added a host of small details, like fixing the radiator filler cap, replaced the broken control horns on the top wing (of course they're not aligned top to bottom... :-( ), added the forgotten tail skid, touched up the green where it had flaked off somewhat (due to the handling) with both carefully mixed paint and decals, and so on... When the paints and glue have dried I can slowly start thinking about final rigging and assembly.
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2017-02-21%2021.11.37_zpsimxmsxwg.jpg)
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2017-02-21%2021.12.24_zpswri741gx.jpg)
(I really should have dusted the model off...)
Then there's troublesome Albatros. I finally fixed up the struts and managed to glue to top wing on. I'll spare the details and language, but it is on, and one of the cabane struts snapped out of it's locating hole, which I missed, so it's slightly crooked. Or, as Bo pointed out, it should be crooked, but on the right side is perfectly aligned now. I also managed to put a drop of CA glue straigt on the engine cowling panel :-( Just my luck with this model!
Before that, I fitted the new machine gun I got from Malaula (Mathias) and the panel that goes in between. I have also painted the access panels on the lower wing, and noticed that one of the aileron actuator arms is gone. I don't know how, since it's almost buried in the wing cutout, but it's gone nonetheless. Should be easy to fashion a new one, though.
Some detail painting and touch ups on the struts later, I got this on my bench:
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2017-02-21%2021.13.49_zpstefpsfm3.jpg)
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2017-02-21%2021.15.01_zpsfflaozgu.jpg)
Even though my perfectionist self doens't like the crooked strut, my other perfectionist half is happy that the wing now has the proper height as far as I can tell, and also sits square and straight. Sometimes it helps to think at how it looked first, with the too-high engine requiring surgery and the mess with the struts.
After a few weeks it's easy to forget that :-)
Anyway, rant over, I had fun doing the detailing stuff, feels nice to be able to move on instead of constantly needing to fiddle with unwilling stuff that only worsens the result. They'll never be IPMS contest winners, but I'm happy with them anyway. Comments and critique welcome!
Jeroen
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Nice to see you back on these two! I am happy to see that you have the Albie wing sorted out! It looks good now. The DVII is also coming along nicely! I am looking forward to your next update.
RAGIII
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Thanks! :) Hopefully I'll be able to make some progress this week, my wife works evening/night shifts and after the kids are in bed I've got the evening all for myself. Some good music and a dark beer should help ;)
I hear a WNW D.VII wanting attention...
Jeroen
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A bit more progress, most of the rigging is on and the D.VII had it's wheels added. I used Ushi Fine (the Super Fine is too thin for my taste) and it looks pretty much like my usual 0,06 and 0,08mm fishing line.The Ushi wire takes some getting used to, they tend to stick together (static charge?) and the ends curl up when you add a bit of CA glue. So it took much longer than usual, but in some cases it's a lot easer to use than the normal fishing wire -such as the axle ring rigging of the Fokker and the control cables from wing to fuselage. I'll probably use this on my next 1/72 model. It does not add strength, but these models don't really need that anyway.
The Albatros had a broken aileron control horn fixed and still needs the aileron controle wires added, the elevator rigging is still unattached on one end. I also worked on the propellers and found some usable propeller logo's on an Americal Jasta 4 decal sheet I bought from Andreas (Borsos) last year.
Turned out it also had the right crosses for the Fokker on it instead of those that are now on it, as the Roden ones were unusable... Too late to fix that now.
Finally some daylight time to take better pictures, too:
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/2017-03-11%2014.44.44_zpsseawqckb.jpg)
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/2017-03-11%2014.45.44_zps6shtm5ap.jpg)
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/2017-03-11%2014.46.18_zpst4iom4k5.jpg)
Probably the next update will see the Fokker completed, and the Albatros should (hopefully) follow soon after that, too! :)
Jeroen
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Coming along beautifully, especially at this scale.
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A pair of beautiful and very colourful models.
Stephen.
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Thank you Juan and Stephen!
Hopefully there's some uninterrupted modeling time in there to finish them up! :)
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Really nicely built, colorful and sweet!
Borsos
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They're both looking great, I'm looking forward to seeing them both finished!
Ian
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Both a coming along wonderfully so far , like the Fokker scheme it looks really sharp .
Terri
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Jeroen,
Very impressive work, especially in such a small scale. Great colour schemes, very skilled detailing and impressive attention to detail; what more can I say at this point?! Looking forward to the finished products presentation!
Cheers,
Lance
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Thanks for the support, Borsos, Ian, Terri and Lance! Today is a day off for me due to all those extra hours working, so hopefully some good progress! :)
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Beautiful birds, Jeroen. Superb.
Manni
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Thank you, Manni!
Fokker is done, save for all the paint that's still damp and some glue that's still setting at this stage.
Final bits included the Oigee sight, anemometer, lift handles, boarding step and flare gun. I'm now just about cross-eyed, but glad this one is done.
A quick shot with my phone camera, better pictures with neutral background when all is secured:
(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z349/jeroen_R90S/Roden%20Jasta%2018/2017-03-17%2016.20.44_zps8sxj9vbg.jpg)
The Albatros had it's rigging completed and the dabs of thick paint I use to fill the holes are now drying, too.
Jeroen
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The DVII has really turned out well! I am looking forward to seeing the Albatros soon!
RAGIII
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Lovely work Jeroen! They look clean, neat and very beautiful! I love the schemes you used. Regards, Marc
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Thanks, RAGIII and Marc! :)
I'm currently working on the Albatros, rigging and control wires completed (save for the X wires for the undercarriage), holes filled with thick paint and polished flush, lower wing crosses still wet and currently drying awaiting a local flat coat... should hopefully all be completed by next weekend. Parts bag gets precariously empty by now!
Jeroen
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Finished, finally! :) :) Thanks for the help and support here! :)
(http://images.plakkers-inc.nl/images/2017/09/27/P1090674.jpg)
More pictures here:
http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=8916.0
Now to go and read all the stuff I've missed here during summer...!
Jeroen