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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: andonio64 on June 25, 2015, 05:19:20 PM
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Hallo,
my next project is dedicated to possibly the most neglected allied fighter in WW1: the Hanriot HD1.
The Belgian and the Italians got theirs from France who did not adopt that plane for its pilots, but many Italian and Belgian squadrons were enthusiastic abut the HD1. We in Italy were so enthusiastic that the MACCHI industries purchased the production licence from the French factory and built such a lot of them… 880 something just before the armistice (100+ more after the end of the war).
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/000.jpg)
I have these three kits (2 kits are packed in the left box) and would like to work on them in parallel. For sure I have in mind one Italian and one Belgian:
1. Willy Coppens, the balloon buster, his all-blue plane nicknamed by the Germans "Der blaue Teufel"
2. Silvio Scaroni (2nd Italian WW1 ace with 26 officially confirmed victories - 76th squadriglia).
The third is still to be decided because no other country adopted it for its air force…
Any Idea?
I have plenty of Italian pilots to choose among, but I was also thinking about turning the 3rd HD1 into an HD2 with floats…
Here are the sprues (still packed) …
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/001.jpg)
And the decals from the boxes and from the aftermarket (the all-Belgian sheet)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/002.jpg)
In the meantime, here I post the references I am currently reading for advice and inspiration:
(1) Pieters, Walter. Above Flanders' Fields: A Complete Record of the Belgian fighter pilots and their units during the great war 1914-1918. Grub Street - London, May 1998
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/references01.jpg)
(2) Guttman, Jon. Balloon-Busting Aces of World War 1. Oxford: Osprey Publishing Ltd., 2005
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/references02.jpg)
(3) Alegi, Gregory. Hanriot HD.1 / HD.2. Windsock Datafile No. 092. Albatros Productions Limited, 2002
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/references03.jpg)
(4) Scaroni, Silvio. Impressioni e ricordi di guerra aerea (Impressions and memories of aerial warfare), Torino, Sten grafica, 1922
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/references04.jpg)
(5) Scaroni, Silvio. Battaglie nel cielo (battles in the sky), Milano, A. Mondadori 1934 (2ª ed. Tascabili Longanesi 1971; ristampa Associazione Culturale Sarasota, s.d., circa 2012)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/references05.jpg)
(6) Gentilli, Roberto; Varriale, Paolo; Iozzi, Antonio. Gli assi dell'aviazione italiana nella grande guerra (Italian airforce aces in the great war), Roma, Ufficio Storico dell'Aeronautica Militare , 2000
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/references06.jpg)
I am researching for the details of each plane and will add details I come over later in this thread...
Thanks for following
Antonio
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Antonio I will follow your thread.
Martim
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Bravo, Andonio
Pay attention to the drawings in Data file 92 since they are flawed....the wingspan is undersized.
All the best
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Thanks Martin!
Bravo, Andonio
Pay attention to the drawings in Data file 92 since they are flawed....the wingspan is undersized.
All the best
Thanks ermeio, I need to have a precise drawing of both the HD1 and HD2 because in his account Willy Coppens said (2) that "Hanriot very generously gave me a larger elevator (off an HD2) allowing the plane more agility in maneuvers". So I'll need to replace the HD1 tail elevators with HD2.
Yesterday I measured the whole horizontal tail planes from the Data file 92 and the HD2 are 1 mm wider and 1 mm larger in both dimensions (this would mean 48 mm in real life). But if you say the drawings are not that accurate that could be just a resize error...
I need to find the real dimensions and scale them in 48th on paper...
hmmmm
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Following with great interest!
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Hi Antonio!
You're right!
Truly an underestimated aircraft. One of my top three wish list for WNW.
Will follow closely as I have a couple in my stash.
Surely have some books about the bird!!!!
Ciao
Iwik
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Antonio,
I am looking forward to what you do with the Hanriot!
RAGIII
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Looking forward to this project, Antonio! For the third, how about US Navy? Or another Italian job, one in aluminum dope, another in beige? Or Coppens' camo kite?
Cheers,
Bud
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Hi everybody thanks for your participation, I appreciate it a lot!
About the third one I am at the moment undecided between
1 - Giorgio Michetti (the seahorse one) : same squadriglia as Scaroni (less victories). It is seen around in aluminum dope and in CDL. But on the Italian Airforce historical archive book (my ref. no. 6) I found one HD1 of his in a sort of dark green mottled camo (over the CDL?). I need to study better his mounts...
2 - US Navy floatplane (I have few infos about possible profiles, just one on Windsock 92) or maybe a USN "land" plane (I read USN had some HD2 on the ground) any additional information about this will be welcome...
thanks for sharing any info on those planes...
As per Coppens' plane, does anybody happen to have a couple of spare white thistles in 48th?
It is not so difficult to draw in vectorial shapes but then I sould print it in white...
:o :o :o
Not to speak about tne "nemo me impune lacessit" motto on the turtleback...
:o :o :o
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An excellent project you are taking on Andonio, I will be following along with great interest.
Des.
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Thanks ermeio, I need to have a precise drawing of both the HD1 and HD2 because in his account Willy Coppens said (2) that "Hanriot very generously gave me a larger elevator (off an HD2) allowing the plane more agility in maneuvers". So I'll need to replace the HD1 tail elevators with HD2.
Yesterday I measured the whole horizontal tail planes from the Data file 92 and the HD2 are 1 mm wider and 1 mm larger in both dimensions (this would mean 48 mm in real life). But if you say the drawings are not that accurate that could be just a resize error...
I need to find the real dimensions and scale them in 48th on paper...
hmmmm
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GAVS published some original macchi structural drawings with quotes in the late 90s
I have them but not at hand (some 700 km from here).
The best drawings are those in aircraft archives and probably PaoloMiana has the same GAVS drawings, veri detailed.
The drawings from Marty Digmayer have the wrong ratio between length and wingspan, and I don't know if the problem was due to the printing process. This seems to be common problem with all MD Drawings, though
I had to discard the wings in my scratch built 1/32 Hanriot,since the missing wingspan is macroscopic (15mmor so...)
I fear that if you resize the drawings to the correct wingspan you will end up with a much wider plan form.
I will try to check if I have the 1/32 drawings among those that I brought with me
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Some quoted drawing is here:
http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/4/1/2/1/5/2/a6330269-65-Hanriot_HD1.jpg
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Thanks for this drawing ermeio, I need only the right dimensions of the elevators of both the HDs 1 & 2 to check the Coppens' HD1 tail and make it like an HD2...
Good night everybody!
Antonio
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The first HD will be:
Willy Coppens
(6 July 1892 – 21 December 1986)
As everybody knows Willy Coppens is Belgium's leading fighter ace and the champion "balloon buster" of World War I.
He is credited officially 37 victories, 35 of which were achieved destroying balloons
He served in escadrilles 1 and 4 but 34 of his victories were scored in Escadrille 9.
This is the profile I will make
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/profiloCoppens.jpg)
Coppens when getting the replacement plane after the German bombing raid on 13 June 1918 on the unit airfield destroying all their Hanriots said:
"it was camouflaged in Beaumarais-Calais in an asinine way, it resembled one of those varnished wooden snakes you see in toyshops.
At the first occasion I had my machine painted in blue all over."
In mid September he received the no.23 portrayed in the drawing above (taken from (2) ) and painted in blue as well.
On Wikipedia I found that Coppens used a larger bore 11 mm Vickers machine gun, having upgraded his weaponry prior to June 1918.
I'll take the Gaspatch 1/48 Vickers 11 mm
I still have to compare the elevator shape and size HD1 / HD2 to understand if I should replace those supplied by the kit.
The engine should be 110 hp Le Rhone rotary engine, right?
The main issue here are the stencils:
- Thistle
- motto
- S/N (H-D 23)
that are in white... I don't know how to produce them...
Any idea?
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The second Hanriot, as I said will be the one of
Silvio Scaroni
(Brescia, 12 May 1893 – Milano, 16 February 1977)
He ranked second Ace in the Italian lines with 26 officially confirmed victories.
All of his victories were achieved when serving in the 76a squadriglia (November 1917 / July 1918), only the first victory was scored flying a Ni.17, the remainder was scored on the HD1.
He scored three victories in the same day during the Istrana battle (Dec. 26 1917). In that time they had replaced the Ni11 with HD1.
This is the profile I will make (S/N 7517)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/profiloScaroni.jpg)
(Taken from (6) )
He wanted to double the armament of his HD1 with two Vickers 7.7 instead of the single MG displaced to the port side of the fuselage.
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At the moment, having not found any indication about the USN usage of the HHD2 neither on the sea nor on the land, the other most likely candidate to the 3rd open position is
Giorgio Michetti
(Francavilla al Mare, 29 May 1888 – Roma, 4 February 1966)
He served, as Silvio Scaroni, in the 76a Squadriglia and was a close friend of Scaroni himself.
He was credited 5 officially recognized victories in WW1 and used to fly an HD1, that was enough to be called an Ace...
He marked his planes with a white seahorse in a black circle.
Of course he had the same painting schemas of Scaroni (except for the personal marking, of course).
But I found this profile on the book (6):
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/profiloMichetti.jpg)
In the same book there is this photo:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/casoni.jpg)
taken in spring of 1918 of the full Squadriglia Line up in their last base (Casoni, near Castelfranco Veneto - Treviso)
Where you can see the seahorse plane
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/Casoni_Mi.png)
but also the Scaroni plane
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/Casoni_sc.png)
Painted dark and with the personal marking inverted tones...
So, not to make 2 identical planes I prefer to use this alternative livery.
Scaroni's HD1 7517 was the last plane he used and was adopted by him in late June/early July 1918.
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That will be very nice models.
Martin
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now thats what i call well researched.
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Italy tested the HD 2 in Venice,
If my memory doesn't fail there is some photo around.
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Really looking forward to your project, Antonio! The paint schemes you have
chosen are great and will be fun to follow. :D
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Thanks everybody,
Italy tested the HD 2 in Venice,
If my memory doesn't fail there is some photo around.
Yes ermeio, there was (according with (3) ) a first test sample was sent to the Italian Navy in april 1918 but the Navy was already receiving the M5 which was considered superior and no order was issued for the Hanriot.
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I found something also on the US Naval aviation HD 2
http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/57k3.htm
And an image of the HD 2 A5628
http://www.google.it/imgres?imgurl=http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/015745g.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/57k3.htm&h=349&w=486&tbnid=si04HthLoITz_M:&zoom=1&docid=LDE5MFQcuWj5dM&ei=ufOPVffgHcnT7AaS_LD4Ag&tbm=isch&client=tablet-android-lenovo&ved=0CC0QMygpMCk4ZA
It is clearly an HD 2 - note the much larger tail surfaces
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Andonio great choice of reading indeed... I really like Hanriots so I will follow your thread in order to inspire myself to build the one I have in my stash!
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Thanks filip!
here are some colour test I made (over gray primer):
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/chips.jpg)
( the colours look a bit darker to the naked eye )
For the Coppens livery I tried:
39) Citadel ultramarine blue 61-33
40) Citadel enchanted blue 61-34
41) Citadel regal blue 61-32
I prefer no. 40
For the undersurfaces (wings and fuselage) I will use aluminum dope... will check which one
For the Italians:
42) Misterkit IT-02 Italian Camouflage Light brown
43) Misterkit IT-05 Clear Doped Linen (Dark)
43 was an old open jar and was not any more usable, I thinned it to make the chip, it's OK for the base CDL (undersurfaces) but I threw the jar in the waste bin and ordered some fresh paint.
42 is the overall colour used at that time OVER the CDL for the upper surfaces and fuselage top and sides also on the metallic parts (forward fuselage and cowling) it's a good colour and I will use it.
Comments / suggestions on my choices are more than welcome!
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To get some empiric indications about the different size of the HD2 elevators, I cut the tail from the picture linked by ermeio (thanks!) and joined it with an HD1 tail looking for a similar point of view. I had to flip horizontally the picture of the Belgian HD1 to have a suitable perspective:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/elevators.jpg)
I think it's enough to make some reasoning about proportions. The HD1/HD2 kit provides also the HD2 fin and rudder as a resin add-on, so I will use it to measure new horizontal plans...
AnDonio
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Hallo everybody, I am currently in study phase, nothing on plastic yet...
In the meantime here is the thistle I redraw in vectorial format:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/cardo.png)
This is how it should appear once transferred on the plane
And this is the real vectorial drawing
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/cardo.svg)
Of course it's free for everybody to make any use but a commercial one!
(and if anybody's able to print white decals I'll be grateful for life!!!!)
I based my redraw on this photo:
(http://www.belgian-wings.be/webpages/navigator/Photos/MilltaryPics/ww1_precurseurs/Hanriot%20HD.1/HD24-De-Moeren-Coppens-&-pilots-DBx-Coll.jpg)
Referenced on this site
http://www.belgian-wings.be/webpages/navigator/Photos/MilltaryPics/Personnel/WWI/Coppens%20Willy/willy_coppens.htm (http://www.belgian-wings.be/webpages/navigator/Photos/MilltaryPics/Personnel/WWI/Coppens%20Willy/willy_coppens.htm)
I'm going to sit back on my bench and start playing with plastic now...
Ciao
Antonio
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Seriously good work, Antonio! I really like your thistle!
You can't go wrong with Hanriots...kind of like Spitfires...
Cheers,
Dan
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Great approach to the research Antonio. The schemes you've chosen will make this a very attractive grouping. I'll follow your progress with interest, it would be a real bonus for me if Wingnut Wings eventually release one of these as someone has mentioned.
Cheers,
Lance
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Really outstanding research and development. I am looking forward to seeing you work on the actual plastic!
RAGIII
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Hello gentlemen,
It will be a great project. I follow you, fellow. ;)
Best regards.
Alain.
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Thanks everybody!
yesterday I worked on the fuselages piercing holes for rigging, filing out some non - existing panel lines and tracing better the existing ones, moreover I filed out the access step on the Belgian port side because none of my photos showed it, while on Macchi built Hanriots they appear on every photo I have seen.
I also went on studying the Instrument panels which will be different for each of the 3 planes, and some cockpit details.
I'll take time for scanning the drawings to show them here.
I'm also trying to decide what to do with the seats, whether there are good aftermarket seats or to thin those supplied by the kit and make the holes by hand.
I love these moments of the build when everything seems floating in a sort of primordial chaos and as time goes by aggregates into the final shape...
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Hallo, I just received another shade of blue: Vallejo model color 055 - Ultramarine
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/003.jpg)
It's no. 56 on the right, it is very close to Citadel enchanted blue 61-34 (no.43) but I still prefer the latter.
On no.42 I tried staining the Misterkit IT-02 Italian Camouflage Light brown with Tamiya XF67 NATO Green to simulate the brush painted green overall on Michetti's dark version and I like it, unless I discover something better (or someone has a more convincing advice) I will keep that choice.
More later today with some plastic work on the fuselage and seats.
Ciao
Antonio
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I'm very intereted with this quite unknow plane.
Congratulations! I will falloqw your work with a lot of pleasure!
Xan
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Thank you Xan!
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(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/004.jpg)
Here are the three fuselages: the white arrows indicate the prominent moulding extrusions that, although in hidden spots, I wanted to eliminate not to have problems when creating the inner framework
At the bottom of the picture the 3 cockpit floors which are accurate enough end I will use them as a base for the inner framework.
I also traced the position of the rods that hold the seat. They have a given inclination and I didn't want to lose this reference after filing the internal structure moulded inside the fuselage halves.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/005.jpg)
before going on with the fuselage, I prepared the air intake tubes using this brass tube filled with a .5 mm copper wire moved on a side and then gently hammered to give it a drop shape...
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/007.jpg)
here is the detail, in some cases this operation was successful, in other cases was less successful...
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/006.jpg)
works on the external fuselage:
- filed and filled with putty a panel line behind the cockpit (some traces can still be seen)
- the correct vertical line between linen and metal was scribed more deeply
- holes to get the rigging out pierced on the forward part
- holes for the air intake were opened (as shown above)
- terminal part of the tail was cut away to leave some space for the metal framework holding the rudder
- and hole for the rudder control lines was moved forward because originally was placed on the part that ws cut off
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/008.jpg)
This is the inner view of the fuselages where all the structure was erased
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/009.jpg)
some work on the seats, the lower one shows the profile I made, the upper one is the original seat.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/010.jpg)
Moreover the seats had to be thinned
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/011.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/012.jpg)
the 3 seats with the new proifle
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/013.jpg)
holes made as in the original seat (next two will be better!)
Ciao!
Antonio
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Very good work Antonio.
Martin
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Outstanding work, Antonio!
Cheers,
Bud
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Terrific start Antonio!
RAGIII
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You are doing a superb job Antonio, the seats have turned out excellent and were worth the extra effort.
Des.
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this is going to be a very detailed build i can tell already.are you going to address the tail skid area? i only recall one build where it was re-done most of the time it is left as is. i must confess i have built this kit before and didnt fix it but i didnt have the reference material back then. i actully used sewing thread to rig it. it was one of the first handful of kits i built when i started building models again and became obsessed with ww1.
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here is really good pictures of one of the schemes you want to do,
http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61062
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Thanks to everybody for keeping interested in my work, I have been out for business yesterday and did not connect at all.
Meanwhile I have pierced the second seat, when I will finish the third one I'll post their photos.
@Albatros1234: yes I will make the tail skid structure as it was in the real plane (more or less ;-) ...) therefore I already sawed the terminal part of the fuselage and made some drawings after a couple of pictures taken from walkarounds. The one you put the link in your reply was one of the most helpful walkarounds, although it's a modern restore it keeps a high value to my eyes. That is not however the Coppens' scheme I chose, I will make the all-blue one. In any case thanks for the suggestion!
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This is the 76, (the Squadriglia number to be painted on the two italian HD1) soon the seahorse...
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/76-black.svg)
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here it is...
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/ippocampo.svg)
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Antonio,
I suspect this will grow into one Awesome thread my old friend. I've always loved the Hanriot and looking forward to following your project thread. Keep up the great works.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Thank you Gregory,
here is a further tiny step ahead: the three seats are complete
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/014.jpg)
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Antonio, this is great work to the seats.
Martin
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Thank you Martin!
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That's a lot of holes to drill ! Looking good for :)
Terri
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Excellent work on the seats, Antonio! The build is coming along
well and I am looking forward to the next updates. I wanted to
thank you for providing the beautiful series of markings...the Belgian
thistle version shown is also my favourite for the Hanriot. Well done,
my friend! :D
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Thanks Terri & Ernie, just now I am now looking for a suitable font for the H.d. 7517 S/N on the Scaroni fuselage...
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Hallo everybody,
just some pictures from my triple build:
Work on the 3 cowlings, here shown at a different stage:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/015.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/016.jpg)
the rightmost one appears a bit too big...
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/017.jpg)
some putty applied to the junction of the two pieces (really can't understand why they divided the cowling like that)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/cockpit001.jpg)
This is a sketch of how I will try to build the pilots's cage
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/cockpit002.jpg)
This is a schema of the floor, in the Coppens' plane the CDL (yellow) part will be aluminum doped
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/018.jpg)
Here I started working on the wooden framework of the cockpit.
I went a bit further with primer on some piece and aluminum on the parts made of metal before covering them with the final coat of paint and on some cockpit gear.
I will post maybe some more picture later.
Thanks for looking
Antonio
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always enjoy following your builds Antonio!
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Very fine work, Antonio.
Martin
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Antonio,
I seem to have missed this update. Very nice work on your research drawings and on the interior frames, floors, and engine cowlings.
RAGIII
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Lovely work on the seats and the engine cowls Antonio, it's great following your builds.
Des.
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Thanks a lot Bo, Martin, Rick and Des...
I am progressing a bit after the other in this sultry tropical wheather...
:-)
More pictures soon!
Antonio
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Very nice work on the cowlings and interior framing, Antonio.
This is a very interesting build to follow. Thanks, my friend!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Thank you Ernie, here are some pictures about painting pieces:
I painted fuselage interiror: the Italian Macchi built HD1 were doped as usual with clear dope while the French built left the factory in Aluminum dope.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/019.jpg)
I painted the cowlings in metal, will cover them and all the external metal parts with the final coats of paint
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/020.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/021.jpg)
The seats from plastic turned to wood ;D
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/022.jpg)
Other pieces to use in the cockpit: on the floor I repeated the linen/metal division and tried to make some dirty traces of the rigging.
The instrument panels are painted on the reverse side, the instruments are carved on the plastic and I don't like them, I will make 3 different IPs.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/023.jpg)
Here is the floor rigged and the frame of the floor painted wood.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/024.jpg)
The frame here was just laid over the floor to see how it looks.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/coda001.jpg)
I also made a drawing to understand how to create the tail structure...
More later... hopefully
Thanks for looking!
Antonio
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Very beautiful update, Antonio.
Cheers
Martin
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Great update Antonio, you are really putting some great detail into these little gems. They'll provide a beautiful scene when finished and displayed together. Pretty to watch them come along!
Cheers,
Lance
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Wow! Lots of nice work there, Antonio! Looks just great. Nice job on the cowlings too...
Cheers,
Dan
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Very nice work!
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very nice methodical work. this will be a great build.
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Antonio,
Outstanding update my old friend. These beautiful ladies are certainly coming along wonderfully . I very much looking forward to seeing what's next. By the way your drawings are a great way to understand the internal structures,much better than attempting to pick details from a cluttered photograph. Keep up the outstanding works.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Thanks everybody, your comments are really pleasant!
Antonio
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Hallo everybody
after some days of vacations here are some small progresses:
I made the seat belts for the 3 planes, there were some very nice belts in the PE fret included in the blue box, they are the 2 on the left in this picture:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/025.jpg)
I made the other 2 couples using a wine lead capsule:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/albano.jpg)
well it's not actually lead but a metallic material thet can be easily shaped.
This capsule was from Albano Carrisi, an Italian singer who lives in my region (Apulia) south of my town. He produces some very good wines and IMHO he should invest more in wine-making than in singing, mankind would benefit a lot from this change!!!
;D ;D ;D
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/026.jpg)
The belts after some painting...
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/027.jpg)
Then I provided some comfort for the butts of our three heroes making them from kids clay and painting in different shades.
I also made the framing for the sides of the three cockpits but no pics yet...
Ciao
Antonio
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Antonio, this is great fun to watch your progress. Your "assembly line" approach is very fascinating. You've chosen a beautiful air craft to apply your skills to.
Pietro
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Yep, what Pietro said. :)
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Outstanding update, Antonio.
Cheers
Martin
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Nifty seats and belts Antonio. Great progress.
Jamie
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Your assembly line is continuing to look great! Nice work on the belts!
RAGIII
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Beautiful work on the seat belts and the seats, your production line is moving along very well.
Des.
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Thanks friends!
I am enjoying it, I hope to have time during the weekend to move on!
Ciao
AnDonio
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Super work on the seatbelts, Antonio! The material from the
wine bottle worked very well. I hope you didn't waste the
contents! ;) ;D Good update, my friend.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Super work on the seatbelts, Antonio! The material from the
wine bottle worked very well. I hope you didn't waste the
contents! ;) ;D Good update, my friend.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
Thanks Ernie! the bottle contents were used to forget the songs... and they were effective...
THat's probably why that wine-maker continues singing!!!!
:-O
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Hi Antonio
Great job also far.I love also the plane selected.
about the decals I'vea solution,I've left an mp ;)
Saluti Marco
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Thanks for offering your help with the Hanriots decals!
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Hallo everybody
it's one month after my last post and during those 30 days something happened on my workbench:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/029.jpg)
I completed the floor for all the 3 planes, leather belt on the rudder pedals were made from wine capsule lead.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/028.jpg)
Different view, in the foreground the side frameworks to be glued on the floor.
Although out of focus there is not a lot to look at, you'll see them in place soon!
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/030.jpg)
Three instrument panels, with slight differences. I used HGW bezels and aeroscale decals to simulate different instruments and bezel material.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/031.jpg)
I had a look at the engines provided by the kit(s) and did not like them, so I purchased 3 Taurus Le Rhone 9J although I wasn't able to find the engines without trestles...
Have a nice weekend!
AnDonio
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You are making excellent progress Andonio, the instrument panels look excellent. Great to see you have decided to use the Taurus engines, they are a fantastic kit.
Des.
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Outstanding work on the panels Antonio! All the interiors are looking great!
RAGIII
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Very great wok to panels and floor.
Cheers
Martin
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Thanks everybody.
In the meantime yesterday night I completely assembled the cockpit for the Coppen's bird, but I was too tired to make the photos!
Ciao
Antonio
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Very fine progress on the interior, Antonio. Nice wood tones and details. Keep up the great work!
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Hi everybody, thanks for your kind words, here are a few shots on the first completed cockpit: the Coppens' one.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/032.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/033.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/034.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/035.jpg)
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Very good update, Antonio.
Cheers
Martin
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Thank you Martin, the fuselage is just put together without glue and held together with a couple of clothes pegs... it looks as I will have to refurbish my putty stocks...
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Excellent progress Antonio! Among other things, the interior rigging is superb, my friend.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Great to see them starting to go together Antonio, you are making excellent progress.
Des.
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Outstanding cockpit Antonio! I am looking forward to seeing the rest!
RAGIII
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Great work Antonio!!!
I love these "little factories" :)
Lukas
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Thanks Lukas...
yesterday I started the 2nd cockpit, rigging of the side frames is done.
Tonite no modeling, I'll take my loved one out to celebrate our 10th anniversary (10 yrs ago we got engaged, now we're married since 2009 and keep celebrating both the anniversaries, you know how Italians are made... just looking for reasons to celebrate!!!)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Antonio,
Absolutely beautiful work my old friend. You certainly do have a scale Hanriot assembly line going on. Well done.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Thanks Gregory!
I am enjoying it !!!
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Hallo everybody!
I am posting a few new result, I did more but not on visible details, I started refining some piece of the tail sub assembly, the propellers to make them fit into the Taurus Le Rhone 9J, and some more study... the visible plastic is shown below!
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/036.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/037.jpg)
Here are the three finished cockpits
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/038.jpg)
The pictures and the drawings I have show how the controls for the rudder are double cables and come out of the fuselage from a small hole in the fuselage sides near the tail.
The control horns on the rudder have three oles, 2 on the forward side to hook the rudder controls and one behind them to hook a structural cable strengthenng the rudder on both faces.
The elevators control was hooked to a control horn at 90° with respect to the horizonal plan. It was fixed to a tube holding together the 2 elevators.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/039.jpg)
That said (pant! pant!) I glued the elevators control cable to a solid plasticard block, that will prevent the cockpit sub assembly to slip backwards.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/040.jpg)
Here are the three fuselages with the control cables in place.
I used a .8mm diam. plasticard rod to re-create the tail structure inside the fuselage. Once closed the fuselage it will be trimmed to fit the tail sub assembly measurements.
This is the drawing I posted earlier.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/coda001.jpg)
Happy Sunday everybody.
Ciao and thanks for looking!!!!!
AnDonio
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It looks very great Antinio.
Cheers
Martin
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Beautiful work with the three cockpit assemblies Antonio, and great to see your drawings and how you do the rigging for the tail.
Des.
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Antonio,
Outstanding work on the three cockpits my old friend. Thanks much for the rigging diagrams of the rudder,these are a excellent aid to anyone building a Hanriot.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Antonio,
I missed this tour de force. Spectacular! And now I'll see how things should be painted! ;)
Cheers,
Dan
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Antonio,
I missed this tour de force. Spectacular! And now I'll see how things should be painted! ;)
Cheers,
Dan
Thank you Dan!
I hope I will be able to paint them right!
I am not that expert and often my interpretation proves faulty...
;-)
Thanks also to Martin, Des and Gregory for having a look and take time to support...
I am facing a lazy period and have some difficulty in finding energy to sit down at the workbench... your support gives me some extra fuel!!!
Ciao
Antonio
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you make a very good and hard job on these hanriot
great
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Beautiful interiors Antonio! I am looking forward to seeing the next steps!
RAGIII
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Hi Antonio,
Again your multi-build work is a joy for the eye and very inspiring too! Your documentation and preparation for the job is as usual extraordinary. You took a blitz-start too and the produced work is awesome. If there were kits in 1/32 I had since long build one. Keep up the great work my friend!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Thanks everybody...
In the meantime I closed the 3 fuselages then started working on props and engine.
Ciao
AnDonio
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Hello Antonio,
Some photos of the Belgium Hanriot in the Brussels Air Museum, that I took a while ago :
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y385/IFF1418/sized_BAM_Hanriot_01_zps784d2674.jpg)
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y385/IFF1418/sized_BAM_Hanriot_02_zps5f446451.jpg)
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y385/IFF1418/sized_BAM_Hanriot_03_zps19622e26.jpg)
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y385/IFF1418/sized_BAM_Hanriot_04_zpsff9079ce.jpg)
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y385/IFF1418/sized_BAM_Hanriot_05_zps48e6e2cd.jpg)
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y385/IFF1418/sized_BAM_Hanriot_06_zpsd80945ac.jpg)
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y385/IFF1418/sized_BAM_Hanriot_07_zps3c87e409.jpg)
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y385/IFF1418/sized_BAM_Hanriot_08_zps16991b19.jpg)
Kind regards
Patrick
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Thanks very much Patrick these photos are very useful, I already had them in my documentation, I did not know you were the author!!!
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Really nice job on the cockpits ;)
Terri
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Beautiful work on these three so far! I'll be following your builds.
I got to meet an HD.1 on Saturday myself, and now I feel the need to buy a kit! It looks like it would be fun to fly.
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ZacYates/TVAL%20shows/86C80612-001C-4231-BD7A-C6EEF359A140_zpsfpyadfoc.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/ZacYates/media/TVAL%20shows/86C80612-001C-4231-BD7A-C6EEF359A140_zpsfpyadfoc.jpg.html)
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ZacYates/TVAL%20shows/6A916861-29EC-40F4-BB44-A1CF5FD0AA96_zpsef1ohgbu.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/ZacYates/media/TVAL%20shows/6A916861-29EC-40F4-BB44-A1CF5FD0AA96_zpsef1ohgbu.jpg.html)
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Thanks Terri and KiwiZac for sharing those beautiful pictures...
I have gone a bit forward:
The three propellers are painted and ready
18 cylinders out of 27 ready and mounted on the engine cores
On the cylinders' heads I have not put all the (too many) pieces but just a couple of them needed to place the cables and sticks.
To be honest, the instructions in my opinion are wrong because from the pictures I have, the spark plugs are placed (looking at the engine front face (http://"https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Rh%C3%B4ne_9J")) on the left of the cylinders, while the picture in the instructions card shows them on the left but looking on the back of the engine.
So I glued the cylinders the wrong way on the first engine, then I made the second engine the other way round.
I don't want to remove the plugs or the whole cylinders from the 1st engine to mount them on the other way, because it took 2 afternoons to make the two engines and don't want to start over again.
Moreover I gave lost 4 spark plugs to the floor monster and have not enough to build the third engine so I don't want to risk losing any more of them.
I think the third engine will have some home made spark plugs.
I must say building the engines so far has been a dreadful experience because of tiny pieces and my sight getting less and less good!
Anyway I couldn't go with the horrible engines provided by the kit(s)
I will post some new pictures when the three engines are complete (with sticks, cables and tubing in place)
Ciao and thanks for following so friendly!
Antonio
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Hallo, I had some more time and energies during last weekend, here are the 3 propellers:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/041.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/042.jpg)
Here are the three engines:
back:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/043.jpg)
front:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/044.jpg)
You can see the top left and the bottom one have the spark plugs on the left of the cylinders (looking at the front face)
It is the same as shown here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Rh%C3%B4ne_9J).
The Taurus instruction sheet :
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/lerhone-instruct.jpg)
...shows the back of the engine with the spark plugs on the left, this made me glue the piece with the wrong orientation you see in the top right engine.
If this is an error of mine please let me know!!!
Building the three engines costed me such a long time because I am not able to handle pieces of that dimension, the mechanisms on top of the cylinders were made by three or four pieces, in the end I decided to put just one!
You know the engines provided by the kit(s) were less than basic so I wanted something better but these are too much better!!!
Taurus made a fantastic piece of jewelry but that was too much for me!
Is there any intermediate way to go?
Thanks for looking
Antonio
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Very beautiful work and paint to the props and engines.
Cheers
Martin
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Agree with Martin...Especially those props. Super nice, Antonio! ;)
Dan
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very good job
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Your engines and props look awesome! These are continuing to be three terrific builds!
RAGIII
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Lovely work on the three engines and the propellers look spectacular.
Des.
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Great work and a very informative thread. I've just acquired an Eduard Hanriot so I will be using this build as a reference. If I get anywhere near your standard I'll be a very happy bunny.
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Thanks everybody guys!
I will now proceed to work on the closed fuselages and on the tailplanes...
Thanks again for stopping by and looking
Antonio
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Antonio, very nice props and the propellers are magnificent!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Nice work on the engines :) and yes , top right engine has the plugs facing the wrong way . Other two you did correct .
Have you tested fitted them inside the cowl ?
Terri
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Hallo Terri, thanks for replying (same to Patrick of course!)
I checked all the three engines and only one needed a bit of the cowling filed out of the internal surface, but now all of them fit well.
At the moment I am hardly scrubbing the fuselages junctions to make them even before painting.
;-)
Ciao
Antonio
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Hallo everybody,
after a long time here I am with some news about this tribuild...
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/047.jpg)
I finally closed the fuselages, added the petrol tank cap behind the pilot's head and repainted the three fuselages all over:
Macchi built Hanriots were delivered in classic CDL, while the French built machines were aluminum doped, so I used for the Coppens' mount two different metal paints:
- Mr.Kit AC22 Alluminium over the metallic parts (of all the three planes)
- Tamiya XF16 flat Aluminum for Coppens' linen
- Mr.Kit IT05 CLEAR DOPED LINEN (DARK) for the Italian planes
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/048.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/049.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/050.jpg)
The last image shows the portholes for the camera (I guess) Macchi made on their machines
Here I show a couple of details of the tail structure built from scratch
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/045.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/046.jpg)
in the last picture you can better (?) see the bracket used to hold the tail skid
Here I "quote" one of the precious Jamo's pictures as a reference
(http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af234/Jamo_kiwi/Hanriot%20HD1/P1060548.jpg)
Some details added to the lower wing, here as well Macchi and Nieuport built planes had some slight differences (position of the external inspection windows)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/051.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/052.jpg)
Here is shown the completed work on the fin and rudder:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/053.jpg)
I had to replace the control horns supplied by the kit because they are too small to host three holes
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/054.jpg)
Another pic by Jamo I used as a reference
(http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af234/Jamo_kiwi/Hanriot%20HD1/P1060490.jpg)
Now I am working on the upper wing and on the horizontal tailplanes...
but no meaningful picture yet.
Thanks for the attention.
AnDonio
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You are moving along beautifully with these three builds Andonio, your attention to detail is excellent.
Des.
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Thanks Des, I have a lot of fun doing this triple build, unfortunately lately real life is very demanding and I am slower than usual...
:-)
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They are looking great, Andonio!
Drew
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very good job
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Extraordinary work thus far, Andonio! The added detail really bring these models to life.
Cheers,
Bud
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Outstanding work Antonio.
Cheers
Martin
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Your added detail to the tail sections or very nicely done Antonio . Like Bud said , really brings the kit to life :)
Terri
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Extraordinary work thus far, Andonio! The added detail really bring these models to life.
Cheers,
Bud
As always I agree with my Amigo Bud!
RAGIII
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Thanks everybody!
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I marvel at how you and several other of our members can work so well at multiple Builds, Andonio. We have a "triple" DR.1, Neiuport, and your Handriots and also several "doubles" going on as well, with no compromise to quality at all! Great work, I'm looking forward to seeing these three little beauties all finished and together!
Cheers,
Lance
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Very nice progress. They will make a fine trio, when completed.
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Great to see that this Hanriot minifactory still going ;) Great work on all three of them!!! ;)
Cheerio
Lukas
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Nice to see my photos are proving useful, its looking good Andonio!
(http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af234/Jamo_kiwi/Hanriot%20HD1/P1050482.jpg)
(http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af234/Jamo_kiwi/Hanriot%20HD1/P1050504.jpg)
(http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af234/Jamo_kiwi/Hanriot%20HD1/20151226_100829.jpg)
(http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af234/Jamo_kiwi/Hanriot%20HD1/P1060488.jpg)
The Hanriot is a very attractive plane. Hopefully I will get to see it flying in a couple of weeks at the next TVAL Flying weekend
Cheers
James
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Hallo everybody...
It's a very long time I don't update my thread, but I slowly went on, and here is some new picture of the current state of the tri-build...
I worked a bit on the PC to find the correct size of the decals I need to print myself. Then I printed a sample on paper and tried to figure out the way the decals will look on the Italian planes (there are many more signs on the Italian fuselages than on the all blue Belgian HD1)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/055.jpg)
Scaroni Markings (I sketched using a pencil the white square with black outline)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/056.jpg)
Michetti's Markings
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/057.jpg)
Michetti's seahorses placed as they will look on the fixed tailplane
As you see in this picture I also made the preshading on the flying surfaces:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/058AT.jpg)
Coppens surfaces (top faces): I already masked the place where the cockades will be
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/058AB.jpg)
Coppens surfaces (bottom faces): cockades will go beneath the lower wing
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/058ADET.jpg)
Coppens: top wing detail of the right control horn, in red I traced the control cable, as shown in this precious Jamo's picture
(http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af234/Jamo_kiwi/Hanriot%20HD1/P1060920.jpg)
Same work was done on the 2 Italian planes.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/058BT.jpg)
Scaroni's surfaces (top faces): masked for the cockades and for the 76 squadriglia ID (the orange mask was kindly supplied by our forum colleague "spartacus2000")
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/058BB.jpg)
Scaroni's surfaces (bottom faces)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/058CT.jpg)
Michetti's surfaces (top faces): masked as his comrade Scaroni
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/058CB.jpg)
Michetti's surfaces (bottom faces)
Then I was looking at this other Jamo's photo
(http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af234/Jamo_kiwi/Hanriot%20HD1/P1060531.jpg)
the cables going from the fuselage to the top wing were double (in the Italians as well)
So I decided to go this way: I cut 24 small pieces of 0.5 mm diameter brass tube:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/059.jpg)
Then I joined them in couples by a thin copper wire
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/060.jpg)
And this is the way they will go in the 12 holes I already pierced in the 3 fuselages.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/061.jpg)
I plan to glue the 2 brass chunks one another to keep the 2 cables close and parallel.
The monofilament will be glued of course in the loose end of the brass chunks.
Playing on with wires I also added to the Belgian fuselage the handles
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/062.jpg)
the Italian pictures never show those handles.
Wow, a lot of information, but this is all for now!
Ciao and thanks for looking
Antonio
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Andonio my friend, it's good to see you and the Hanriots back! You are really
making good progress. The custom decals are a great touch and I think your
idea for the rigging anchors is brilliant! Excellent work. :D
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Thank you Ernie, I hope the anchors will hold the tension of the elastic wire, I will glue them with Gel-CA glue hoping it will make a solid block after drying.
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Great update Antonio. The custom decals will be a great feature and I really like your idea for double "terminals" for the rigging. This trio is going to be spectacular when finished, lovely work so far!
Cheers,
Lance
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Really fantastic work on the decals and details!
RAGIII
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Thanks Lance and Rick for your much appreciated comments
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Your rigging anchor points are a great idea and should prove to be very strong once glued, and you are making excellent progress with your 'home made' decals, well done so far.
Des.
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Your rigging anchor points are a great idea and should prove to be very strong once glued, and you are making excellent progress with your 'home made' decals, well done so far.
Des.
Thanks Des, your comment is encouraging!
Antonio
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Hallo everybody, I know I am not a rocket in updating my WIP, but lately some sort of lazyness at home caused especially by hard times at work keeps me off the pc and off the camera...
Nevertheless I have gone farther in my work and here is at last some update.
After taking the pics I realized there are a lot of defects showing off that do not come out to the naked eye. Well some are known but most of them are discovered from the pictures, and some of them will be corrected...
Another reason to the delay in updating is that I had trouble in printing the decals because of matching the good settings of Inkscape (the drawing tool I use) and my EPSON printer in order to get the desired colors. Many sheets were wasted and most of my probabilities to go to heaven went in the waste bin with them, hmmm I think badwords count in scaling down points from my heaven license don't they?
OK let's go:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/063.jpg)
here are the three cowlings seen from the frontal perspective, L to R Coppens, Scaroni, Michetti
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/064.jpg)
Coppens' fuselage, the brush strokes are not visible to the natural light, I guess this is an effect of the flash light of my camera. The thistle was taken from an old Eduard HD 1 balloon buster kit.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/065.jpg)
Coppens' wings and tail planes top surfaces
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/066.jpg)
bottom surfaces. I did not yet slide the roundels on the bottom of the lower wing because there is a hole to get the rigging out of the wing just beneath the roundel.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/067.jpg)
Views of the cockpit
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/068.jpg)
Bottom and top views of the fuselage
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/069.jpg)
Some additional details. The windscreen is the one provided by the kit, I think the French built HD1 had that windshield, so I kept it and painted it.
The MG is a 11 mm Vickers which is slightly different from the common 7 mm as shown here
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/vickers1.jpg)
I purchased the Gaspatch MG
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/070.jpg)
The inner discs of the wheels were kept as the original aluminium factory finish as well as the bottom surface of the little wing between the wheels
Scaroni will be shown in next post, not toput too much in the same post.
Ciao
Antonio
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Here are the pictures of Silvio Scaroni's plane.
In these days I am reading the second book (1934) he wrote about air warfare
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/references05.jpg)
it is good but I prefer this
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/references04.jpg)
written in 1922 less than 4 years after the armistice and written without the Fascist Regime putting some censorship on it, I did not find in this book any mention about the role Billy Barker and Steve Hudson had in igniting the combat of the Istrana Battle on Dec 26th 1917 and of course the support British and French squadrons gave to our Airforce.
Anyway here are the two sides of Scaroni's fuselage:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/071.jpg)
Wings and tailplanes (upper surfaces)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/072.jpg)
I have to print again the roundels because of the color errors I was talking about in the previous post...
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/073.jpg)
Bottom surfaces
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/074.jpg)
top and bottom views. The lacing decal moved a bit after positioning and I was not fast enough in getting it back to its straight shape...
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/075.jpg)
Some views of the cockpit
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/076.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/077.jpg)
other details: the Vickers are the 7 mm type (Gaspatch made) and the inner discs of the wheels and the lower surface of the inter-wheels wing were left in CDL color.
I painted the windshield provided by the kit, although the photos show thr Macchi built HD1s were equipped with a different one, so I decided to scratch build it as well.
That's all for Scaroni. His friend Michetti will get on stage in the next post.
Ciao
Antonio
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This is an excellent work, on a subject I like really much. Also a great inspiration, because I have an HD1 in the shelf and another one to be
dismantled and rebuilt. Complimenti, davvero!
Giuseppe
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Grazie Giuseppe, I am about to post Michetti's plane pictures in a few minutes...
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Here we are: Giorgio Michetti's plane.
He is not a top ace of the Italian airforce, he was credited 5 victories, well, enough to be called an ace, but he was one of the closest friends of Scaroni in the 76ma Squadriglia and he saved Scaroni's life in some occasions as Scaroni himself wrote in his books.
Moreover I love the sea horse marking he chose for his planes, that's one of the reasons I chose him!
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/078.jpg)
Fuselage...
One of the decals got stained when I used Micro Sol on it, it was the last one I had so I decided to leave it as it is instead of printing a new sheet of decals...
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/079.jpg)
Wings and tail planes upper surfaces, the sea horse is on the tail as well
The fin is shown not painted on the book about the aces planes (issued by the historical office of the Italian Airforce) the green coat over the CDL appears brushed in a great hurry and in this way I tried to paint it.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/080.jpg)
lower surfaces
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/081.jpg)
bottom and top views
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/082.jpg)
views of the cockpit
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/083.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/084.jpg)
details, same comments done on Scaroni's windshield apply here. The MG is the one provided by the kit.
Well, that's all for now!!!
Ciao and thanks for looking
Antonio
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I do not know how I have not seen this before but three at once!! I have problems with one at a time……
The detail that you have achieved on these three models s just incredible. The idea of presenting three different examples is excellent - I have read through the whole thread and it has been both informative and inspirational. Brilliant.
Stephen.
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Thanks a lot Stephen, I love to learn about the men who moved the machines I build, it's an amusing way to learn history...
As per presenting three different builds in parallel, well I understood it's not a funny way of modeling (to me at least) because I keep repeating the same things on the three models and due to my slowness it becomes sometimes boring. SO From next build on I will get back to single build logs!
:-)
Antonio
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Antonio,
Nice to see this trio again, very impressive and the bits of history you've included are great background. Nicely done and I look forward to seeing them together when finished.
Cheers,
Lance
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Very good update, Antonio! The field paint job on Giorgio Michetti's aeroplane is
really well done and looks great. You did a super job on the Belgian markings!
I like the colour of Scaroni's plane. Well done, my friend!!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Thank you Ernie!
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Holy Cow, Antonio! How do you keep all those suckers straight! Really colorful machines. Love them all!
Cheers,
Dan
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Outstanding progress on 3 lovely birds Antonio!
RAGIII
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Excellent work all around, Antonio! This thread has been a pleasure to follow.
Cheers,
Bud
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Thanks everybody, I am glad you like those three little birdies!
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Beautiful work here, I especially like Coppens' airplane as I would love to do his all blue machine in 1:72...
Ian
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Beautiful work here, I especially like Coppens' airplane as I would love to do his all blue machine in 1:72...
Ian
Thanks Ian, I love the blue devil as well, but I was not able to find a solution to reproduce the white motto "Nemo me impune lacessit" on the turtledeck behind the pilot's head.
Ciao
Antonio
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Hallo everybody,
although immersed in the intrusive haze of this awful season I went a bit on withthe rigging schema.
As known the rigging of this plane is not that complicated:
The first couple of cables starts from the upper wing
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/tiranti5.jpg)
in a point near by the leading edge on the upper wing I made a hole where I will set and glue one head of this control cable.
Then the line will go through the control horn on the aileron, go through the hole in the aileron reinforced as in the real plane by a curved patch.
Then the cable will pass on the lower surface and will be angled by an eyelet fixed beneath the aileron.
The real thing was an L shaped piece (as I tried to draw below the main sketch) but after many tries I decided that was too small a piece to work and decided to go with the eyelet to the delight of my friend Von Buckle!!!
:-)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/tiranti3.jpg)
This sketch shows the whole rigging needed on each side.
The green line is the control cable coming from the top wing. To keep it sgraight I need to let it pass through a passing hole I already drilled in the bottom wing (marked C), Glue it with CA and trim the excess part from below the wing, then fill the hole from below.
The main lines here are depicted in blue and red, they will start off the twin buckles I prepared in a former phase to be glued in the fuselage as shown:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/061.jpg)
Slightly larger eyelets will be placed in be points (A / A') to let both the cables go through together.
The inner lines (X) will go to points (B -> D) and (B' -> D') ending their path near the cabane outer struts.
The outer lines (Y) will stop on (A / A') glued and trimmed after the X line has been glued.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/tiranti4.jpg)
This drawing better explains what I have in mind.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/tiranti1.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/tiranti2.jpg)
Here is shown the only line I will put on the tail planes passing through the fin and the fixed horizontal tail planes, finally glued where the skid will insist.
Then there will be the carriage rigging, the control cables on the rudder have been shown in an earlier phase.
At the moment I have fixed the eyelets to the bottom wing and glued the bottom wing to the fuselage on the three planes.
Ciao and thanks for your attention.
AnDonio
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Hallo fellow forumites
the three birdies have now their wings (well not all they need to fly yet!)
here the pictures:
COPPENS
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/089.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/090.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/091.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/092.jpg)
SCARONI
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/085.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/086.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/087.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/088.jpg)
MICHETTI
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/093.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/094.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/095.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/096.jpg)
The road is still quite long, but I see the end of the tunnel!!!
Ciao!
AnDonio
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Bravo AnDonio! The trio are looking spectacular!
Not too far to go, but they will be worth the wait,
my friend!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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All 3 are looking quite nice!
RAGIII
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Antonio,
Wow what an update my old friend. A stunning trio! Keep up the excellence .
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Thanks everybody, I hope to proceed forward tomorrow!
Ciao
Antonio
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These are all looking fantastic, Antonio! Can't wait to see them with the top wings on.
Cheers,
Bud
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Thanks Bud, glad you like them.
I had a lot of troubles to fix the control cables to the rudder, but in the end I made it although with some mistakes.
Antonio
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Those look more impressive every time you add an extra post! The details of the rigging were very useful, but I was also take by the use of the eyelets for the attachment points for the rigging. Given the scale that is a truly impressive piece of modelling.
Stephen.
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These Hanriots are becoming more beautiful at every new shot. I'm looking to see the completed lineup!
Ciao,
Giuseppe
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Thanks Stephen and Giuseppe!
Antonio
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Hallo,
I am working now on the cabane of the three planes, I have placed the central MG on the Coppens plane and I was looking for visual clues about the MGs of Scaroni and Michetti.
In this photo, portraying Scaroni onboard of his plane:
(https://sites.google.com/site/gruppoalpinicasoni/_/rsrc/1359756172872/campo-aviazione/Aeroporto-Casoni-1918-Scaroni.jpg)
the Vickers 7mm on the left has not the usual lever (unjam lever?) on its rear part, but as you can see in this magnified detail
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/Scaronicockpit2.jpg)
there is a sort of rod going from the bullet feeding hole o a vertical lever on the rear side of the weapon.
The same appears in this photo taken at the Casoni airfield (home of the 76th Squadriglia for a while) of the Flavio Torello Baracchini (credited 31 victories).
(https://sites.google.com/site/leonardobortignon/_/rsrc/1418625427795/collaborazioni/Scaroni%20e%20altri%20assi%20al%20campo%20di%20Casoni.jpg)
So modifying the two MGs of Scaroni in this way and doing the same to the only MG of Michetti's plane appears as a likely hypothesis
In this detail I spotted the Aldis (or Aldis - like) gunsight which does not appear to be fixed to the cowling.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/Scaronicockpit3.jpg)
In this picture:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/2/2c/Leonida.jpg)
you see Leonida Schiona - 78th squadriglia - with his HD1 and again the gunsight appears anchored to the top horizontal tube of the cabane.
Therefore I will try to scratch two aldis and to hang them in this way for both the Italians.
I guess there was just one anchor point on the back of the viewing tube.
Any suggestion? Does anyone have any better picture of these 2 "variations"?
Thanks
Antonio
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After showing the above photos, you could have noticed that all the pictures of the 76th sauadriglia planes taken at the Casoni airfield show dark planes with white "76".
This is the color schema I have adopted for the Michetti's plane.
Reading the Scaroni books I realized that when staying in the Istrana airfield the 76th had to withstand night bombing raids and had a lot of damages to their hangars and machines.
Reading further it seemed night fighting was not even conceived, but once, when the German bombers were spotted by the observers at the front, Scaroni took off and in the end he was able to force the bomber to land on his home field, then he understood night chase was possible and did other night flies.
After the Caporetto defeat the Italian armies were pushed back and the 76th was moved to Casoni (westward) and probably (this is my idea, but have no proof) they painted the planes in dark green to fly during the night.
So my Scaroni plane is the one he flew in Istrana, while Michetti's plane was used in the Casoni airfield.
Does anyone have any more precise information on this?
Thanks for your interest
Antonio
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Hi friends,
I completed the work on the three cabanes, here go the results.
COPPENS
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/097.jpg)
SCARONI
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/098.jpg)
MICHETTI
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/099.jpg)
I made the gunsight inserting a 0,5 mm round rod into two 0,8 small chunks to simulate the enlargement et both ends.
I did not find any better photo to determine the shape of the mechanism to suspend the gunsight to the cabane so I just imagined a way to do it!
Ciao
Antonio
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Imagined fixing or not it looks convincing enough to me! More excellent modelling - keep it up.
Stephen.
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Thanks Stephen, I am pretty satisfied, although in the end the gunsight looks like that of a sniper gun...
Now I think I'll temporarily stop, Friday me and my wife will go to France (Périgord) for a few days of vacation, will be back at the end of August.
Ciao everybody!
Antonio
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Some new works done in the previous days::
I fixed the elastic wire to the double buckles that I created in an ealier phase
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/060.jpg)
Here are the 12 couples of cables
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/100.jpg)
Detail view
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/101.jpg)
I am trying some elastic thread found in a fishing shop round the corner:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/102.jpg)
less than 3 euros and no shiping charges ...
Quality appears good enough, it is transparent but I easily coloured it with a common marker.
Then I made the unjam levers as shown in the photos posted just above:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/103.jpg)
Ciao and thanks for looking!!!
AnDonio
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Ciao!
Some steps ahead... unfortunately my normal slowness has been further ... slowed because of many work engagements and family disorders (not that dramatic but draining energies!)...
OK, here we go with some photos:
SCARONI
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/104.jpg)
Scaroni was the only pilot in his squadriglia that wanted to double the arms onboard his machine, so he installed 2 Vickers..
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/106.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/105.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/107.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/108.jpg)
MICHETTI
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/109.jpg)
Here you see the only Vickers Macchi used to mount on the Italian built HD1s
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/111.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/110.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/112.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/113.jpg)
So, that's all for now on the Italians, but... what about Coppens????
Well, yesterday evening and this afternoon I succeeded in finishing the Blue Devil!!!
here are the pics:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/114.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/115.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/116.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/117.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/118.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/119.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/120.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/121.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/122.jpg)
Now Scaroni is on the operating table...
Hugs to everybody and thanks for looking!!!
AnDonio
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Nice looking trio, looking forward to next update.
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AnDonio,
Nice to see this trio again, and the great progress you've made. They are looking really good, and the "Blue Devil" is a beauty! I hope things settle down for you and really look forward to seeing all three completed and on display.
Cheers,
Lance
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Thanks Juan and Lance!
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Excellent progress Antonio! I love the Coppens blue bird!
RAGIII
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Thanks Rick!
In the meantime I found a few hours to dedicate to Scaroni's plane, yesterday evening at least he took off!!!
Today I have a day off work and will concentrate on Michetti's bird to complete the trio.
Here we go with the pictures:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/123.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/124.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/125.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/126.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/127.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/128.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/129.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/130.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/131.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/132.jpg)
Following are a couple of detail photos taken to show how the double wires look.
I am not completely satisfied, I like the solution of the double turnbuckles on the fuselage end, then I put a larger eyelet on the underside of the top wing to let the two wires go through, then I let one of the wires complete its path up until the eyelet near near the cabane struts and the other one was glued and cut to the larger eyelet beneath top wing. But in the end the effect is that they do not keep parallel and converge. Next time I'll think a different solution.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/133.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/134.jpg)
Thanks for looking!
Antonio
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Your rigging looks excellent to me, even the double wires. I really like how this one has turned out. Very well done Antonio.
RAGIII
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Your rigging looks excellent to me, even the double wires. I really like how this one has turned out. Very well done Antonio.
RAGIII
I agree with my Amigo 100%!
Cheers,
Bud
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Really nice Hanriot, Antonio. They were certainly good looking aircraft and your models bring out that quality.
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Lovely duo so far, I'm looking forward to seeing the third. What colour blue did you use for Coppens' machine?
Ian
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Thanks guys, I'm happy you like my two little birdies...
I just fixed the upper wing and the cabane struts for MIchetti's plane (the green bird) I just stopped rigging (right wing complete) because my eyes got spinning!
Tomorrow is holiday here and I will try to finish the third bird.
@IanB: I used Citadel enchanted blue 61-34.
Number 40 in this picture
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/chips.jpg)
if you go to first page of this thread you'll find a more detailed description of the colours I tried.
Ciao ragazzi!
AnDonio
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Great job, Antonio, well done!
Cheers.
Ondra
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Thanks Ondra!
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So, here is the third bird: Giorgio Michetti's green plane with the seahorses!
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/135.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/136.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/137.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/138.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/139.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/140.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/141.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/142.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/143.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/144.jpg)
All toghether now:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/145.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/146.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/147.jpg)
thanks for your patience...
AnDonio
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These are three little masterpieces Andonio. I am not really a fan of the Hanriot but you super models has helped me to look at them again in a new light. I am still adjusting to the fact that these are in the True scale too!
Simply wonderful is an understatement - but otherwise I am lost for words!!
Stephen.
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Thank you Stephen and thanks everybody for the appreciation!
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Lovely trio! I like the lines of HD.1 and to see three of them together is a pure joy. Thanks for sharing.
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Thanks Przemol, I too love the HD-1 lines and to me it's the most beautiful fighter of WW1.
Now I have three in my showcase and I think it's enough for a while, although from the three boxes I kept the pieces to make an HD2 floatplane, but not this year!
:-)
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Very impressive trio, Andonio! All are lovely and all are unique. You should be quite proud.
Cheers,
Bud
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Thanks Bud, yes, I am pretty satisfied...
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I have been watching this for a while, the culmination is outstanding!
Steve
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Thank you Steve!
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Very nice collektion you build there. Thank you for showing.
Manni
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Thanks Manni!!!
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Very impressive trio, Andonio! All are lovely and all are unique. You should be quite proud.
Cheers,
Bud
Ditto My Amigo's Comments !!!!
Ed
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Thank you Ed!
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Antonio,
Awesome Trio my old friend. Congratulations and Well Done! What's next?
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Dearest Gregory, thank you for the kind appreciation, what's next?...
I think tomorrow I will publish my new project, far more easier and quicker...
Ciao
Antonio
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(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/000.jpg)
Antonio,
Is the plastic in these kits the same, or were there changes to the later kt?
Thanks,
Gene K
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Hi Gene, I made these models a longtime ago, but if I remember well the plastic are absolutely the same in the two boxes.
Antonio
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... the plastic are absolutely the same in the two boxes.
Antonio,
Thanks. I've picked up both kits and have an HD.2 on the way.
Gene K
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Excellent job on those Hanriots, Antonio!!
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Thank you Gazza