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Title: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on April 25, 2015, 10:39:51 AM
(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Halberstadt%20CL.IV_zpsg5xevwnr.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Halberstadt%20CL.IV_zpsg5xevwnr.jpg.html)

I hope you all don't mind another build thread so hot on the heels of my last one, but I enjoyed that so much that I couldn't wait to dive into another.  I've chosen Joystick's Halberstadt CL.IV this time, I like its compact, purposeful design. There seems to be a lot of useful photos on the Internet due to the fact that there are surviving examples  in major museums, so scratchbuilding the cockpit and other details should be easy enough.

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%201_zpsveca1uj4.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%201_zpsveca1uj4.jpg.html)

I've started by cutting out the fuselage halves and rubbing them down, the next step was to cut out the cockpit and engine openings.  Despite all the photos available, I've had a hard time finding any that show a clear view of the forward firing machine gun and the opening in the fuselage decking ahead of the cockpit for it (For some reason, the restored museum examples don't have either gun mounted).  I think I have a fair idea of how it should go- there's a flat shelf ahead of the instrument panel that the gun's breech sits on, and it's rear end appears to be accessible through a cut-out in the I.P.

The smaller slots are for the aileron pushrods which run up to the upper wing center section.

Joystick provide the upper engine cylinders in white metal which will probably suffice since not much shows above the cowlings.  I'll need to build a shelf for them to sit on, so the next step will be making the firewall so that I have something to anchor that to.

-Dan
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Des on April 25, 2015, 10:59:21 AM
Great to see you jump straight into another build Dan, your chosen subject looks to be very good and with what you have done so far you will be moving along quite quickly. Looking forward to seeing the next updated photos of this build.

Des.
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: IanB on April 25, 2015, 11:47:40 AM
Damn, Dan!

 Another of my favourites, hot on the heals of the last one! Looking forward to seeing this one come together.

Ian
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Thumbs up on April 25, 2015, 04:06:35 PM
Lovely jubbly another vac build,three cheers for Dan! I thought that you might like to see this comprehensive guide to WW1 vacs

 http://www.wwi-models.org/misc/vacs.html
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: WarrenD on April 26, 2015, 04:47:49 AM
Really nice Dan, I'm looking forward to this one.

Warren
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on April 26, 2015, 05:07:35 AM
got to love a halbie, and your last project was so nice we would love to see more. as far as gun mounting perhaps see if you can dowload instructions for the mirage cl.iv kit if you cant let me know and i can make a copy and mail it to you or something.
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on April 26, 2015, 08:14:36 AM
Lovely jubbly another vac build,three cheers for Dan! I thought that you might like to see this comprehensive guide to WW1 vacs

 http://www.wwi-models.org/misc/vacs.html

Thanks!  That whole site is a treasure trove of useful stuff.  I'm using the cockpit photos from a walkaround there that are very useful.[quote

got to love a halbie, and your last project was so nice we would love to see more. as far as gun mounting perhaps see if you can dowload instructions for the mirage cl.iv kit if you cant let me know and i can make a copy and mail it to you or something.

Good idea, I'll see if I can find them online somewhere.  I did find some photos of a Karaya kit under construction that gave me a good idea of the layout and have been shamelessly copying it.

Thanks to everyone else for the encouragement!  As I mentioned, I've been working on the basic interior structures.  I started by fitting the firewall, with its distinctive sheet metal footwells ahead of the rudder pedals built into it.  I then fit the "shelves" for the engine and gun and also carved a substantial bulkhead that fits close to the nose to represent the front of the engine and also provide something solid that I can insert a toothpick into later to serve as a handle during painting, etc.

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%203_zpstvqxkzmi.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%203_zpstvqxkzmi.jpg.html)

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%202_zpscxahbqus.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%202_zpscxahbqus.jpg.html)

I've started work on the cockpit floor, added the fuel tank and have started adding the stringers to the fuselage sides.  So far it all fits inside and is square and level.

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%204_zps7ppy2hlb.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%204_zps7ppy2hlb.jpg.html)

Thanks for looking in!

-Dan
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: coyotemagic on April 26, 2015, 08:58:18 AM
You're off to a brilliant start, Dan.  The Halberstadt Cl's are my favorite German subjects.  I have a dual Cl.IV build on hold.  Maybe this will help.
http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=1656.0
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on April 26, 2015, 11:20:49 AM
You're off to a brilliant start, Dan.  The Halberstadt Cl's are my favorite German subjects.  I have a dual Cl.IV build on hold.  Maybe this will help.
http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=1656.0
Cheers,
Bud

Thanks Bud, that's very helpful!  Beautiful models by the way, I hope you get back at them soon.

I added the instrument panel to mine and a quick check with a Roden Spandau shows that it sits just about right.

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%205_zpskjsemjer.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%205_zpskjsemjer.jpg.html)

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%206_zpscov2laso.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%206_zpscov2laso.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: RAGIII on April 26, 2015, 07:39:28 PM
Terrific Start! It looks as though you are on your way to another beuty!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: WarrenD on April 26, 2015, 11:57:16 PM
Dan inconveniences a great many electrons to say:

"Thanks!  That whole site is a treasure trove of useful stuff.  I'm using the cockpit photos from a walkaround there that are very useful."

Truly, it is. You ought to join "The List", there are some awfully good folks over there who've been at this a good, long time. You're bound to get some good advice, feedback, etc. and as a plus, you'll make some good friends.

http://www.wwi-models.org/mailman/listinfo/wwi

Just my two Pfennings.

Now, my question for you and the others here. I get how to add sidewall detail, etc., but what gets me about your build, and others I've seen over the years, is how to you produce such a precise floor?  This is something I struggle with: producing a part which goes from wall-to-wall without precise measurements. I've tried it before, and I've been very clumsy in my attempts. Your floor and others I've seen look as if you made one precise cut and "Viola!", done. My floors, etc. look like a piece of cardboard cut with a serrated bread knife because I have to cut, sand, grind, etc. to get it to fit.  I know you make a precise swipe or cut and then snap it off, and I do that, but it just never seems to fit correctly.


It just appears there's a magic method to y'all's work.

Warren

Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on April 27, 2015, 12:44:56 AM

You ought to join "The List"

"...how to you produce such a precise floor?

Warren

Thank you, I just followed your link and did just that.  I was a subscriber back in the early 90's but got away from the hobby for a while and eventually changed email addresses and lost touch.  It will be good to be involved again!

As for things like floors and bulkheads, I agree it is difficult to get a nice precise fit.  I start by cutting a strip of plastic that is as wide as the widest part of the floor, etc.  I then scribe a light mark down the center, usually on the underside.  Then I'll slowly trim and sand one side until it is a perfect fit into the fuselage, with that scribed mark lining up with the edge of the fuselage.  Now you can use that good side as a template to transfer the shape to a new piece of plastic, or carefully cut the other side to match, either will give you a good fitting part.

-Dan


Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: radio on April 27, 2015, 02:06:35 AM
Exellent beginning Dan.
Martin
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on April 27, 2015, 07:46:25 AM
buds thread would also be a great reference i forgot about that. the reason i mentioned the mirage kit is cuz it has better detail on the gun ammo boxs and mounts,the karaya misses that spot and just lengthens the gun decking. what youve done so far is great. i never expect such detail in a 1/72 build but some of you brail scale guys are just masters.
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on April 27, 2015, 07:51:21 AM
i have had a look at my mirage kit and it has 2 forward guns in that kit,but as you know karayas kit shows one, i wonder if some had one and some had 2?
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on April 27, 2015, 09:26:14 AM
I'm a bit confused about the number of forward firing guns too.  Specifications always seem to list one, drawings show only one, the museum example I'm using for photo references show cutouts for the breeches on both sides, and one of the kits in Bud's thread shows what looks like ammo boxes on both sides.  Beats me, maybe somebody with the Windsock Datafile will look it up and see if there's a definitive answer?

-Dan
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on April 27, 2015, 09:31:11 AM
I've managed to get most of the major internal details done.  There are a lot more brackets and fittings that could be added but I'm just going to add a PE throttle and add the wood "shelf" behind the gunner's cockpit.  I might also take a shot at the gunner's sling seat, we'll see.

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%207_zpssxlqhhpj.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%207_zpssxlqhhpj.jpg.html)

-Dan
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: WarrenD on April 27, 2015, 11:07:21 AM
Thanks Dan, that's a great tip.

Glad to see you're back on The List. ;)

Warren
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Des on April 27, 2015, 11:20:15 AM
All the interior detailing is looking excellent Dan.

Des.
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: coyotemagic on April 27, 2015, 11:22:47 AM
Dan, are you building the short fuselage Halberstadt version or the long fuselage Roland variant?  If the former, one gun.  If the latter, C9400/18 to C9499/18 also one gun, C8050/18 to C8199/18, two guns.
Super work on the interior, by the way.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on April 28, 2015, 01:28:49 AM
Dan, are you building the short fuselage Halberstadt version or the long fuselage Roland variant?  If the former, one gun.  If the latter, C9400/18 to C9499/18 also one gun, C8050/18 to C8199/18, two guns.
Super work on the interior, by the way.
Cheers,
Bud

I was going to build the shorter Halberstadt built version but since I've built it with gun mounting locations on both sides I might be better going with a later Roland built machine.  I understand the fuselage on those was 40 cm longer, but do you know where that 40 cm goes? I'm hoping it's at the very tail since I have to rework that area anyway due to molding issues.

Thanks for that VERY helpful info!

-Dan
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: radio on April 28, 2015, 03:04:43 AM
Very great interior Dan.
Martin
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: coyotemagic on April 28, 2015, 04:27:58 AM
I understand the fuselage on those was 40 cm longer, but do you know where that 40 cm goes? I'm hoping it's at the very tail since I have to rework that area anyway due to molding issues.
Yep.  That's where it is, Dan.  In 1/72 scale, it would barely be noticeable, so you shouldn't have to do much in the way of modification.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on April 29, 2015, 01:34:41 AM
Stellar.  That is all... :o :o

Dan
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on April 30, 2015, 01:54:10 PM
i figured there had to be some logic to the 1 gun/2 gun thing. so late roland built after 8050/18 had the 2 forward guns.. you are doing a really nice job on the kit. you are making me want to start one of my vacs.
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on May 03, 2015, 11:16:19 AM
Today's goal was to get the cockpit painted and get the fuselage halves glued together, I'm happy to say "mission accomplished."

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%209_zpsejydee8q.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%209_zpsejydee8q.jpg.html)

-Dan
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: WarrenD on May 03, 2015, 11:36:01 AM
Looks great Dan.

Warren
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: coyotemagic on May 03, 2015, 01:20:11 PM
"mission accomplished."

I'll say!  And in very fine style!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Thumbs up on May 03, 2015, 04:33:56 PM
Beautifully struck goal 1-0 to Dan.
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: KiwiZac on May 04, 2015, 06:35:49 AM
That looks excellent, I particularly like the throttle quadrant and linkage! Very fine work.
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: radio on May 04, 2015, 07:08:02 AM
Very great work.
Martin
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: RAGIII on May 04, 2015, 08:12:53 AM
That is an absolutely STUNNING interior! Outstanding work in any scale!!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on May 04, 2015, 09:48:02 AM
How did I miss this?  Lovely work, Dan...

Look for an AEG update tonight.  I've got my interior mostly done and the basic cabanes in place with the top center section mocked in place.

I do love your interior.  You are really hitting your stride with these suckers.  More soon I trust?

Dan
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on May 04, 2015, 11:52:05 AM
Thanks guys, I'm pretty happy with the interior, not so happy that little of it is visible now that the fuselage is together!

How did I miss this?...  More soon I trust?

Dan

Probably because you were so busy with your AEG, which is a much better use of your time!  I did get a bit more done on it today- I chopped off the mis-molded tail of the fuselage and added a slightly extended one made from laminated plastic sheet.  I also cut out all the wings and tail surfaces and sanded them down.  I got to looking at the wings and comparing their thickness to cross sections on drawings and decided they were all way too thin so I have added 15 thou skins to the bottoms.  Just waiting for a bit of filler to dry before sanding them down a bit.  I'm wondering if I really need to do anything to replicate rib detail on those wing bottoms since they will be covered with lozenge decals?  I'd post a photo but it was all really mundane stuff.

-Dan





Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Culi on May 05, 2015, 01:41:52 AM
Terrific. I am following this project
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: coyotemagic on May 05, 2015, 03:00:13 AM
I'm wondering if I really need to do anything to replicate rib detail on those wing bottoms since they will be covered with lozenge decals? 

-Dan
Dan, I'd say the rib tapes on the lozenge would suffice, especially in 1/72 scale.  Just the decal thickness would be close to scale.  This is shaping up beautifully.  Can't wait for the next update.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on May 06, 2015, 08:28:00 AM
Dan, I'd say the rib tapes on the lozenge would suffice, especially in 1/72 scale.  Just the decal thickness would be close to scale.  This is shaping up beautifully.  Can't wait for the next update.
Cheers,
Bud

Thanks Bud, that's exactly what I was hoping to hear.  As for the next update, read on!

With the cockpits done, I cut out the wings and sanded them down.  It was obvious that they were a bit thinner than the ones on my previous Albatros build so I decided to glue "skins" of .015" plastic to the bottoms of them.  I cut the skins 1/16" short of the trailing edge and then scraped that step down with one of those big rounded X-acto blades.  A little bit of filler was needed to blend things in but it allows for a nice thin trailing edge.

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%2011_zpszw677gqb.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%2011_zpszw677gqb.jpg.html)

Here's a shot of the root end of one of the lower wings with the skinning in place, the wing section is very close to that shown in the drawings I'm using.  The nice thing about having two layers glued together is that drill bits seem to guide themselves nice and straight between the two.

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%2010_zpsywmaptcp.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%2010_zpsywmaptcp.jpg.html)

While I was waiting for filler to dry, I started making a jig to hold things in alignment. 

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%2012_zpsexwzhyeh.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%2012_zpsexwzhyeh.jpg.html)

I drilled holes in the wings for brass rod "spars", then temporarily put sharpened bits of rod in the holes and pressed it against the fuselage while its all lined up in the jig and that showed me where to drill into the fuselage sides.  I was able to get two brass rods all the way through the fuselage so I will have a pretty sturdy attachment of the lower wings. They slide on and off so nicely that I may wait until after the lozenge decals go on before gluing them permanently.

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%2013_zpsr5nouoh2.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%2013_zpsr5nouoh2.jpg.html)

So that's where it stands at the moment, I'll probably work on the landing gear next, but like the Albatros, I won't permanently attach any of it so that I can continue using the jig when it comes time to fit the upper wing.

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%2014_zpsh79a7olv.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%2014_zpsh79a7olv.jpg.html)

Thanks for looking!

-Dan


Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: WarrenD on May 06, 2015, 08:52:28 AM
Excellent work all around Dan.

Warren
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: IanB on May 06, 2015, 08:54:22 AM
Nice work on the wings, I'll keep that idea in mind when I finally get around to starting my rather large stash of vacs....
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: RAGIII on May 06, 2015, 01:29:07 PM
Outstanding work Dan! Looks terrific and your alignment jig is spectacular!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on May 06, 2015, 01:55:07 PM
very nice.this is what modelling is about. actually taking something that isnt all that and making into something that is a sight to behold. to me its about solving problems in creative ways and making art from nothing.
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Des on May 06, 2015, 02:15:05 PM
Beautiful work on the painting of the interior, and you have done a great job with the fitment of the bottom wing to the fuselage, this will make for a very strong join.

Des.
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Ernie on May 06, 2015, 08:08:09 PM
Just catching up, Dan.  You are doing a terrific job
especially the cockpit with it's delicate bits...amazing
in this scale!  Looking forward to more updates. :D

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: radio on May 06, 2015, 10:12:40 PM
Great work Dan.
Martin
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on May 07, 2015, 05:54:11 AM
Just have to add my comments...pretty boring at this point.  Beautiful, wonderful, awesome...you get the drill  ;)

It's really coming along. I will be playing with the AEG landing gear tonight!

Colors will be great on this machine.  Watching with great interest.

Dan
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on May 11, 2015, 07:23:51 AM

It's really coming along. I will be playing with the AEG landing gear tonight!

Dan

I guess this must be the weekend for landing gears then, did you make any progress with yours?  I got both the tail skid and the main gear under my Halberstadt.

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%2016_zpszq4vct8r.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%2016_zpszq4vct8r.jpg.html)

Here's the main gear.  I cut the legs out of sheet plastic and they're a bit thicker than they should be but I sacrificed scale for strength.  The cross-tubes are brass from Albion Alloys with copper wire running through them to hold the legs together and then its wrapped around the brass rod axle to replicate the bungee cords.  It's a bit of a mess really and I'm glad the wheels will hide most of it!

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%2017_zpsuoxp17d6.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%2017_zpsuoxp17d6.jpg.html)

The main gear needed to be removable so the model can go back in the wing jig, it slips on and off with the 4 brass wire pins going into holes drilled into the fuselage.

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%2015_zpsaihan1hk.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%2015_zpsaihan1hk.jpg.html)

I also started work on the gun ring.  It took a couple of tries to get the mounts between the ring and the rear fuselage right, I had one pair in place but decided they just weren't right and so I snapped them off and started over.  The ones on there now aren't perfect but they will do.

That's it for this weekend!

-Dan

Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: IanB on May 11, 2015, 11:12:49 AM
Nice work on the landing gear, looks great!
The gun ring looks a little large and high to me, but maybe it's just the perspective....She's shaping up to be a pretty damn nice Halby!

Ian
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on May 11, 2015, 11:29:34 AM
Nice work on the landing gear, looks great!
The gun ring looks a little large and high to me, but maybe it's just the perspective....She's shaping up to be a pretty damn nice Halby!

Ian
Hi Ian,

Yes, that gun ring is definitely still a work in progress.  The outside dimension of the ring is correct per the plans I'm using but the inside still needs to be opened up a bit.  I've left it a little wide because I need to scribe a circle around it somehow. I agree with you that it sits a little high in the rear, or the mounts make it look like it is because they are taller than photos and plans show.  I think the real problem is that the rear fuselage decking should have more crown to it, so it isn't that the gun ring is too high, its that the fuselage is too low!  I think I'll sand a little off the top of the rear mounts and try to split the difference visually.

Thanks for the feedback!

-Dan
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on May 12, 2015, 02:30:01 AM
Looks great, Dan...

Love the way your gear just snaps in.  That's some great engineering.  Do tell us how you made those nice streamlined ring supports.  They couldn't have been fun to make and add seamlessly.

And no...I ended up having so much yard work, fixed a fence and went to a Mother's Day concert my daughter put on...so the one thing I did NOT get to do this weekend was the gear.  :-(

Soon, though...

Dan
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on May 12, 2015, 05:15:30 AM

Do tell us how you made those nice streamlined ring supports.

They weren't that bad actually, I started with  the smallest size of extruded strut stock I had and it took just two cuts to make each one.  Getting them in the proper position with a drop of CA on the bottom was the real fun part.  After that just a little work with sandpaper was needed to clean things up. 

Its yard work time here in NY too, I spent most of Saturday mowing and trimming.  Nice to be out in the sun though!

-Dan
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: radio on May 12, 2015, 05:20:34 AM
Very great work Dan.
Martin
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: AROTH on May 12, 2015, 11:47:56 AM
It is a rather large looking affair.....
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: AROTH on May 12, 2015, 11:50:47 AM
Also, note two support rods on either side .....
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: RAGIII on May 12, 2015, 12:52:14 PM
Exceptional work on this kit! Looks terrific to date!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: IanB on May 13, 2015, 01:33:08 AM
Thanks for those pics Aroth - saved for future use! Dan, I see what you mean about the rear decking.....awkward problem!

Ian
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on May 13, 2015, 02:11:56 AM
Yes, thanks for those pics Aroth! 

-Dan
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: AROTH on May 13, 2015, 01:29:32 PM
A few more here if the link works.

http://s1235.photobucket.com/user/ALBATROSD5/library/Halberstadt%20CLIV?sort=3&page=1
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on May 14, 2015, 01:35:38 AM
A few more here if the link works.

http://s1235.photobucket.com/user/ALBATROSD5/library/Halberstadt%20CLIV?sort=3&page=1

Those are outstanding!  Thank you for sharing them, there are some shots in there that I've been wishing for, they will be very helpful.

Dan

Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on May 17, 2015, 12:15:59 AM
I've spent the last few evenings experimenting with different materials and ways of making up the cabane struts and finally settled on brass wire.  It doesn't have the flat section that the real struts had but I'm hoping I can get away with it in this scale as it is a lot stronger than the plastic struts I tried.  The hardest part was bending up two identical sets of the forward struts and I had to do it more than once as I fine-tuned the fit. 

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%2018_zps61kmck5a.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%2018_zps61kmck5a.jpg.html)

They do what they're supposed to though, the upper wing snaps into place quite nicely.

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%2019_zpsseayziyu.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%2019_zpsseayziyu.jpg.html)

You can also see that I've added the padding around the cockpit opening from stretched sprue.  I should be painting and decalling before too long now.

-Dan
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: RAGIII on May 17, 2015, 12:54:50 AM
Outstanding update! This is really coming together now!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: radio on May 17, 2015, 04:00:43 AM
Like Rick, no other words.
Martin
Outstanding update! This is really coming together now!
RAGIII
!
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Pgtaylorart on May 17, 2015, 04:58:42 AM
Your "Halbie" is looking great, Dan! :D

George
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: WarrenD on May 18, 2015, 12:12:24 AM
Dan, I am in awe at your work. I aspire to this level one day.

Warren
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on May 18, 2015, 09:49:46 AM
You guys are too nice, I appreciate it though!

Today I decided to get some paint on it.  Freehand airbrushing without masks is not my thing so there was quite a bit of touch-up to get it to this point-

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%2020_zpskwfkxkb5.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%2020_zpskwfkxkb5.jpg.html)

Question for you guys about preparing the wings for lozenge decals- I've primed them with gray already, should I just give that a coat of Future and then apply the decals or is something more needed?

-Dan

Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on May 18, 2015, 12:18:05 PM
That looks just great, Dan.  On 48th scale interplane struts, I use 1/16th inch aluminum tubing and crimp it a bit between two flat surfaces in a vice (I use two metal rulers) squishing it to a semi airfoil shape.  But for these little guys, I also just use brass tubing especially on cabanes and landing gear that need to be tough.  They look great (like yours) once they are all painted etc. 

Lozenge...I never put down a gloss coat for those since I'm not worried about carrier film looking bad.  No outline to worry about.  See what other folks say, but I wouldn't bother...

Great progress, by the way!

Dan (very behind on his AEG)
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: radio on May 18, 2015, 07:31:06 PM
Nice airbrushing.
Martin
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on May 19, 2015, 12:17:14 PM
Lozenge...I never put down a gloss coat for those since I'm not worried about carrier film looking bad.  No outline to worry about.  See what other folks say, but I wouldn't bother...

Great progress, by the way!

Dan (very behind on his AEG)

Thanks Dan.  I just ordered some Aviattic lozenge decals from Hannant's so I'll be getting on with that when they arrive. I was planning to use some Eagle Strike lozenge that I have on hand but it just looks way too dark to me.  As for the Future, I think I'm going to put down a coat just to help the decals adhere more than anything else, it can't hurt.

-Dan
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: RAGIII on May 19, 2015, 09:56:01 PM
Lozenge...I never put down a gloss coat for those since I'm not worried about carrier film looking bad.  No outline to worry about.  See what other folks say, but I wouldn't bother...

Great progress, by the way!

Dan (very behind on his AEG)

Thanks Dan.  I just ordered some Aviattic lozenge decals from Hannant's so I'll be getting on with that when they arrive. I was planning to use some Eagle Strike lozenge that I have on hand but it just looks way too dark to me.  As for the Future, I think I'm going to put down a coat just to help the decals adhere more than anything else, it can't hurt.

-Dan

Using the Aviattic Lozenge is a great choice! I highly recommend following the directions for application. Apply over a glossy white surface!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on May 20, 2015, 12:36:04 AM


Using the Aviattic Lozenge is a great choice! I highly recommend following the directions for application. Apply over a glossy white surface!
RAGIII
[/quote]

That's good to hear!  It took me a while to figure out all the options available and I finally decided to buy the "factory fresh" 5-color lozenge in individual strips (since the lozenge on the Halbie was applied at 45 degrees on the wings, right?).  I also bought the same thing on white decal paper so I can cut rib tapes from it.  I'm a little worried that those will end up with white edges but its worth a try. 

-Dan
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on May 20, 2015, 02:06:11 AM
Using the Aviattic Lozenge is a great choice! I highly recommend following the directions for application. Apply over a glossy white surface!
RAGIII

Shows you what I know  ;D ;D

I'm glad this is turning out so splendidly.  Can't wait for more results!

DanS
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: radio on May 20, 2015, 05:00:14 AM
The 45 degree angle will be right. I don't know if they also aviable like the other scales by Avittic?
Martin
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: WarrenD on May 23, 2015, 10:45:05 AM
Dan, this is just beautiful work. I'm looking forward to seeing you work with the Aviattic decals. I know others here have used them to great effect, but I want to see how a fellow 1/72nd scale builder deals  with them, etc. (I've never used lozenge decals before, so I'm a complete noob when it comes to that end of our madness.)

Warren
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on May 24, 2015, 06:48:06 AM
Dan, this is just beautiful work. I'm looking forward to seeing you work with the Aviattic decals. I know others here have used them to great effect, but I want to see how a fellow 1/72nd scale builder deals  with them, etc. (I've never used lozenge decals before, so I'm a complete noob when it comes to that end of our madness.)

Warren

Hi Warren,

I'm very nearly a noob too when it comes to lozenge decals, I've only used them once before and that was close to 20 years ago when I used some Eagle Strike decals on a Toko SSW D-III.  We'll find out soon how it goes because my decals arrived from Hannant's today...

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%2021_zpsvnuhje9q.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%2021_zpsvnuhje9q.jpg.html)

The two large sheets are Aviattic's "factory fresh" 5-color, one printed on clear decal film and the other on white from which the rib tapes are to be cut if I understand the concept correctly.  I'm a little worried about all the rib tapes ending up with white edges but we'll see.  The other package contains 4-color lozenge and rib tapes from a Czech company called Old Propeller.  I saw them on Hannant's site and added them to the order for future use, they look really nice.

I'm hoping to get the wings painted a gloss white tonight and maybe start the decaling tomorrow.

-Dan
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on May 24, 2015, 06:58:32 AM
Not a lot of progress to report, I'm currently working on getting the wings ready for the lozenge decals.  Here's a shot of the upper wing with the aileron bellcranks added from copper wire.  I forgot to flip it over and take a shot of the underside- I had to scribe the radiator and fuel tank detail into the bottom of the wing and that turned out OK.

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%2022_zpspqef9gtc.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%2022_zpspqef9gtc.jpg.html)

I also got the gun ring finished and installed...

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%2023_zpsixluyexo.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%2023_zpsixluyexo.jpg.html)

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%2024_zps34xi1wyu.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%2024_zps34xi1wyu.jpg.html)

If you look closely in the rear cockpit you can see the gunner's canvas sling seat that I made from a Tyvek envelope.  You can cut that stuff into very thin strips and it still won't tear, it makes great seatbelts and harnesses.

-Dan

Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: radio on May 24, 2015, 07:06:36 AM
Very good work Dan.
Martin
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: WarrenD on May 24, 2015, 11:32:02 AM
OK, I'll bite: what's a Tyvek envelope?

Warren
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on May 24, 2015, 09:21:47 PM
OK, I'll bite: what's a Tyvek envelope?

Warren

Tyvek is a paper-like material that was originally used as vapor barrier in new home construction.  The stuff is impossible to tear so it is now used for things like envelopes too.  The USPS uses it for one of their Priority Mail large envelopes so you should be able to pick one up at any post office if you're here in the States. 

The envelopes I have are 2-ply so I peel them apart and easily scrape off the loose filaments between the layers and end up with a material that seems half-paper, half plastic, is extremely flexible yet tough, and takes paint and CA glue well. 

-Dan
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Des on May 24, 2015, 09:28:37 PM
You are making excellent progress Dan, the painting looks very good. Interesting thought about the Tyvek envelopes, I will have to check my local PO to see if they have such a thing here in Australia.

Des.
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: WarrenD on May 25, 2015, 12:42:20 AM
OK, thanks Dan. Just wasn't sure what Tyvek was.

Warren
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on May 25, 2015, 11:49:43 AM
You are making excellent progress Dan, the painting looks very good. Interesting thought about the Tyvek envelopes, I will have to check my local PO to see if they have such a thing here in Australia.

Des.
Thanks Des, so far it is coming along OK.  I hope you can find the Tyvek stuff, if not, I'll happily send you some, I've got tons of it.

-Dan
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on May 25, 2015, 12:09:32 PM
I've taken some tentative steps with the Aviattic lozenge decals to get a feel for them, so far I've covered the bottom of the bottom of the horizontal stab and elevators, the wheels and the bottom of one lower wing.

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%2025_zpsnepgp9jw.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%2025_zpsnepgp9jw.jpg.html)

I'm impressed with the decals, they are very thin but tough and flexible.  They are also very translucent and the underlying color will definitely alter the final effect.  I used white this time and will have to do some experimenting with different colors at some point for future reference.  I've had no trouble working with them, they require only a short soak in room temperature water, they don't try to fold up on themselves, they are easy to move around if a little water is brushed under them, but adhere fairly quickly when the water is pushed out.  I've found it easy to get them to mold around curved edges when softened with a little Micro Sol, the adhesive is just aggressive enough to grab when a little finger pressure is applied.  If they all go on like these I'll be pleased!

-Dan

 

 
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Ernie on May 25, 2015, 09:56:13 PM
This is mind-boggling work in the teeny scale, Dan.
My hat is off to you for the excellence you have shown.
Looking forward to the next installment!

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on May 31, 2015, 10:24:54 AM
Just one pic to celebrate the fact that the last rib tape has been applied!

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%2026_zps8m0kfh0h.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%2026_zps8m0kfh0h.jpg.html)

I've been plugging away with the lozenge decals all week.  I'm very impressed with Aviattic's products, they performed perfectly and were a joy to work with.

-Dan
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: RAGIII on May 31, 2015, 11:56:21 AM
Outstanding! Everything is looking great!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: IanB on May 31, 2015, 11:58:46 AM
Beautiful! A lot of work but well worth it.

Ian
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: radio on May 31, 2015, 08:05:40 PM
Very great work Dan.
Martin
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on June 01, 2015, 10:38:52 AM
Thanks guys!  I had some renewed enthusiasm for this today and got a lot done on it.  First thing was to make and print the decals for all the markings and get them applied, then I gave it a coat of flat clear and started putting things together.  The landing gear, lower wings and horizontal tail surfaces are now permanently attached.  I'm waiting for some paint on the tires to dry before adding them, then I'll work on getting the engine and gun installed before adding the upper wing.  Its starting to come together!

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%2027_zps1wsrmeeq.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%2027_zps1wsrmeeq.jpg.html)

-Dan
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: RAGIII on June 01, 2015, 11:13:37 AM
Beautiful update! With your progress this one is really looking GORGEOUS! Your fuselage camo and the markings are set off beautifully by the lozenge wings! Makes me want to do one of these!!
RAGIII
PS In a LArger scale  8)
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Thumbs up on June 01, 2015, 06:35:03 PM
I always have had a soft spot for vac's and the building skills required to get them to this standard.I would love to see a new 1/48 manufacturer of vac's,what with today's technology and the after market goodies available,they could give the injectors a real run for their  money.

Bravo Dan!
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: radio on June 02, 2015, 05:09:12 AM
Looks very good.
Martin
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on June 04, 2015, 12:40:16 PM
Seems like the farther along I get with this, the harder it is to keep everything ship-shape.  I did manage to get all of the details installed in the forward fuselage like the engine/exhaust, forward firing MG, windscreen and the aileron pushrods which run up to the bellcranks in the upper wing.  Here's where things started to get a little off track because the pushrods don't line up with the bellcranks where they should. 

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%2029_zpsdeciua0s.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%2029_zpsdeciua0s.jpg.html)

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%2028_zpsu8n7tijr.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%2028_zpsu8n7tijr.jpg.html)

With that done, there was no reason to hold off on adding the upper wing so it was carefully aligned and small amounts of thin CA were carefully flowed into the joints between the cabane struts and the wing.

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%2031_zps1upuixrf.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%2031_zps1upuixrf.jpg.html)

I used brass rod again for the interplane struts.  They were slipped carefully into place and thin CA applied again to lock them in place.

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%2032_zps9dfmedzu.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%2032_zps9dfmedzu.jpg.html)

I think the upper wing appears to sit too high above the fuselage, I've got to check things against drawings but I suspect again that the too shallow fuselage is the real culprit. I could be wrong and the fault is all mine though.

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%2030_zpse5aawsjo.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%2030_zpse5aawsjo.jpg.html)

I'm really happy to have the upper wing on!  I'm working on the vertical tail surfaces now and once they're installed it will be just the rigging, prop and rear MG left to do.

-Dan
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on June 04, 2015, 03:34:42 PM
i tell you it looks great as far as the work you have done building and painting. hard to tell without a drawing and the model held at the right angle if the spacing is off. it looks amazing from here.
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: petrov27 on June 04, 2015, 09:17:03 PM
Amazing build here - a real gem of a model!
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: RAGIII on June 04, 2015, 10:02:41 PM
i tell you it looks great as far as the work you have done building and painting. hard to tell without a drawing and the model held at the right angle if the spacing is off. it looks amazing from here.

I agree completely !
RAGIII
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: uncletony on June 05, 2015, 08:23:12 AM
It really is a beautiful model. Bravo. I think your hunch is right -- the top wing does look too high to me as well. I'm not sure I would try to fix it though.
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: IanB on June 05, 2015, 01:14:29 PM
I agree with Bo, it does look a little high but I'd leave it - unless you're into serious re working...... Other than that, a fantastic replica!

Ian
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on June 05, 2015, 08:47:38 PM
I checked things against drawings and the upper and lower wings are spaced apart correctly.  If I ever build another one of these I think I'd rework the top of the fuselage to give it a bit more height as well as mounting the lower wings as far down on the fuselage as possible..  I'm definitely not going to rework this one, I can live with it!

-Dan
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: radio on June 06, 2015, 01:34:36 AM
Very great work for your build.
Martin
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on June 06, 2015, 09:24:58 AM
Wouldn't have noticed the wing gap without you telling me!   :-X :-X (keep your mouth shut!!)

I agree with Bo...live with it, it's a fabulous model.

Rigged and done this weekend???   ;)

Dan
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on June 06, 2015, 12:37:15 PM
Very great work for your build.
Martin
Thank you Martin, and everyone else for the nice comments and encouragement!

Wouldn't have noticed the wing gap without you telling me!   :-X :-X (keep your mouth shut!!)

I agree with Bo...live with it, it's a fabulous model.

Rigged and done this weekend???   ;)

Dan
Ha! I only mentioned the wing gap to draw attention away from its more glaring errors. :)  I think it just might get finished this weekend, I spent some time tonight decaling the vertical tail and I may glue that in place before hitting the sack tonight.  Also worked on the white metal prop that came in the kit, it is not the greatest but I'll paint it up and see how it looks.  That leaves just the rigging and the rear MG, piece of cake!

Plus I've been eyeballing the next project- maybe a Joystick Rumpler?

-Dan
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on June 08, 2015, 02:12:38 AM
She's done!

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%2038_zpscm2nrgmz.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%2038_zpscm2nrgmz.jpg.html)

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%2037_zpslfc3szqb.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%2037_zpslfc3szqb.jpg.html)

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%2036_zpss4st8ngm.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%2036_zpss4st8ngm.jpg.html)

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%2035_zpsgoxpqrsl.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%2035_zpsgoxpqrsl.jpg.html)

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%2039_zpsbirijgdi.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%2039_zpsbirijgdi.jpg.html)

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Joystick%20Halb.%2033_zps8p3h5ybo.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Joystick%20Halb.%2033_zps8p3h5ybo.jpg.html)

I'm pretty happy with it and I'm definitely hooked on vac kits now.  Thanks for looking!

-Dan

Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Pgtaylorart on June 08, 2015, 03:27:47 AM
Beautiful! :)

George
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: radio on June 08, 2015, 03:31:01 AM
Wow, what a wounderful plane. Love it.
Martin
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: uncletony on June 08, 2015, 08:14:40 AM
Excellent!
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Des on June 08, 2015, 08:22:55 AM
You have done a superb job with the building and painting of this kit, congratulations Dan on creating a stunning looking model.

Des.
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Thumbs up on June 08, 2015, 09:25:51 AM
I think that is very slick modelling,excellent decal application and paint job.
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: RAGIII on June 08, 2015, 11:40:50 AM
Excellent all around! I love the scheme and how you executed the painting! Lovely decal work and the rigging is perfect!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on June 08, 2015, 01:08:41 PM
Dan,

Just have to add my superlatives.  Really stellar modeling.  I love the tire color and the lozenge looks super real.  From my angle, it looks like a WNW kit.  REALLY hard to believe it's 72nd and a vac.

Just excellent...

Dan the Second
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Ernie on June 08, 2015, 10:30:35 PM
Dan,

Just have to add my superlatives.  Really stellar modeling.  I love the tire color and the lozenge looks super real.  From my angle, it looks like a WNW kit.  REALLY hard to believe it's 72nd and a vac.

Just excellent...

Dan the Second

Dan has pretty much captured what I was thinking.  Brilliant
job, Dan! 

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Thumbs up on June 08, 2015, 11:03:04 PM
Cant wait for the next build! ;D
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on June 09, 2015, 12:09:21 AM
You guys are all too nice!  Thanks for the positive comments, they are very appreciated. 

I'm already missing it on my bench, I had some Formaplane kits out last night to look over but the Joystick Rumpler C.IV keeps saying "me, me!"

-Dan
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Thumbs up on June 09, 2015, 12:21:14 AM
Look forward to the Rumpler!Beware of some of the Formaplanes as they are not all the same quality! If it has a "J C " on it standing for Joe Chubbock then it will be a good un.
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on June 09, 2015, 06:18:48 AM
Look forward to the Rumpler!Beware of some of the Formaplanes as they are not all the same quality! If it has a "J C " on it standing for Joe Chubbock then it will be a good un.
I think about half of the Formaplane kits I have are "JC" marked, the others are "DA" which I believe is for David Archer, whose name was on both of the Joystick kits I've built.  The Rumpler does look a slight bit nicer on the sheet than either the Albatros C.1 or the Halbie looked, which is probably why I'm drawn to it.

-Dan
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on June 09, 2015, 06:22:16 AM
Dan,

If you haven't already (I didn't check this AM), put some finished photos over on "Completed Builds".  Folks should really see this beauty!

I started painting parts of the AEG and will post later...DanJr.
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on June 09, 2015, 08:24:53 AM
Dan,

If you haven't already (I didn't check this AM), put some finished photos over on "Completed Builds".  Folks should really see this beauty!

I started painting parts of the AEG and will post later...DanJr.
I almost did post the photos in the "Completed" threads but I figured most would see it if they hit the "unread posts" link like I do.  I guess I feel funny about overdoing it, I posted photos of it on 4 or 5 different forums and that is way more than I usually stick my head up over the edge of the trench!

I'll be looking for your AEG update.  I really agree with your thoughts on vacs that you posted the other day, they provide the opportunity to do some real problem solving and creative building which is very addictive.  I'm actually surprised that they aren't more popular, maybe it's because there are some real dogs out there that put people off.  I know I've bought a few that will never get worked on. 

You should sign off as "West Front Dan" and I'll use...

East Front Dan
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: IanB on June 09, 2015, 10:58:01 AM
Beautiful work Dan, it makes me want to dig mine out of the stash but I have too much going on already. I really need to finish my current projects and start a vac!

Ian
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: GAJouette on July 24, 2015, 11:26:07 AM
 East Front Dan,
Absolutely breath taking project my friend. These Joystick kits something to behold even unbuilt. But built up by a Vac- Master it become something else and that's AWESOME.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on July 25, 2015, 11:30:24 AM
Gregory,

Thank you so much for your kind words about this one as well as my Albatros C.1.  I'm actually new to vacs so I'm definitely no Vac-master yet!  I really do enjoy them and am currently working on Joystick's Avro Bison and having lots of fun with it.  I agree with you about Joystick kits looking good on the sheet, they just scream "build me!"

-Dan
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: GAJouette on July 25, 2015, 01:09:58 PM
 Dan,
I'm surprised to read you're a relative newbie to vacs. The quality of  work says otherwise my friend. Is the Bison posted somewhere here?  At any rate I'm most interested in seeing more of your outstanding vac project.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Danh4 on July 26, 2015, 11:33:07 PM
Gregory,

It's true, I've only built 4 vacs so far. Here's a shot of the Bison I'm working on...

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/Danh4/Bison%20Interior%201_zpsgrdlitog.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Danh4/media/Bison%20Interior%201_zpsgrdlitog.jpg.html)

As you surely know, vacs really aren't that hard once the parts are cut out and sanded, and that's not all that hard either. What I like about vac kits is the freedom to add detail and put them together the way I want to. It's very satisfying to come up with solutions to assembly problems and then learn new techniques in order to carry them out.  I still enjoy injection kits but when I want something more involved it's nice to have vacs as an option now.

-Dan
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on July 30, 2015, 06:03:59 PM
this is because you are a true modeller dan not a shake and bake kit assembler. you bison looks great too.
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: PrzemoL on August 05, 2015, 07:18:12 PM
Sorry for being so late to the party. But I would like to congratulate on such a great build. Very very fine!
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: Des on August 05, 2015, 07:49:16 PM
Very nice work on the Bison Dan. I have never built a Vac form kit, I have always been a bit scared of them.

Des.
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on August 07, 2015, 02:03:15 AM
des a vacuform is easier than a resin kit. the only diff between a vac and an injection kit is that the parts are all on a sheet instead of a sprue. the detail is somewhat soft compared to modern injection and there is virtually no interior or other details. the hardest part is the labor involved in cleaning up the parts,thinning trailing edges etc . conside a vacuform as a short run injection kit thats going to need some scratchbuilt details and interior. items like wheels ,guns and engines are usually included as rudimentary white metal parts. i think their fun and i have quite a collection of them in 1/48 and 1/72.
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: pietro on August 07, 2015, 04:36:46 AM
Dan, 1/72 scale? Really? You are truly a master craftsman. I built one of those 1/24 albatross(' can't remember the brand) years
ago and it was challenging.

Pietro
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: GAJouette on August 07, 2015, 06:38:51 AM
  @ Dan,
The Bison is going to be a real show stopper my friend. You've taken to vac building like a duck to water.

  @Des,
Scott's reply is spot on my old friend. You should try one of these vacuforms,absolutely no doubt you would produce another Master Piece. The only problem you may have is locating a WWI vac kit in 1/32 scale as they are very rare currently. However 1/48 and 1/72 scale WWI are relatively easy to find. E-Bay tended to be an excellent place to find them. If you wished to try an off topic build  there are numerous 1/32 scale kits available. As a bonus some of these kits are Biplanes from the between War and WWII era.If you or anyone else would like a link to the suppliers I've dealt with just PM me and I'll sent them to you.

Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: Joystick 1/72 Halberstadt CL.IV
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on August 07, 2015, 09:37:59 AM
says vac master jouette.

anyway one thing i forgot to say is the quality does vary in vac kits too. some vac kits are excellent in detail and fit others are rudimentary and sometimes the fit is bad it tdepends on the company. koster for instance produced a 1/48 hannover that is better than the eduard kit of the same craft.