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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: andonio64 on March 01, 2015, 07:02:24 PM
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Hallo!
Here is my new project, hopefully a short one (according to my "slow time" standards!!!)... because I have in mind a big project after this...
An Italian modeler friend of mine started this kit some time ago but he got fed up (not being WW1 his main interest) and few months ago he gave the box to me...
This is the box:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/001.jpg)
the sprue
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/002.jpg)
These are the fuselage halves he painted and added some PE detail. I don't like the triangles (wooden panels) and of course the colour...
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/003.jpg)
Here are the PE fret and other spare pieces:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/004.jpg)
The engine was painted and a PE part added on the back side, the yellow resin chunks should be the body of the MGs.
The PE cockpit was partially assembled, I guess I will keep the floor and the seat
This is the decals sheet, I don' tlike this version, so I will use the crosses and keep the checkerboard for other eventual future projects:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/005.jpg)
The pieces appear without any detail at all on the surfaces, and the kit is very basic, but this is a reason for accepting the challenge!
More later, now I have to rush away...
Ciao
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Hello,
I love these old models! I did not know that box with this box art!! Thank you!
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Hallo again,
I want to ask the advice of all of you before starting this one: I don't know which version of this plane to make, I always prefer to dedicate the build to a pilot, I mean a real person who fought (no matter on which side) on that machine, butinthis case I have really a few information on this plane, I searched the web and the squadron keeping returning from my search is Jasta 6 at Busigny - Escaufort (France) in August 1918.
The colour schemas of this Jasta are nice, they had the black-White striped tail planes and wheel covers, the cowling is white with black wedges and the whole fuselage is lozenge...
Here the questions
1.)
What kind of lozenges? (I suppose 4 colors seen the late period the plane was used)
What colour of the lozenges? And where is it possible to buy them in 1/72 scale?
2.)
The interior of the cockpit would then be in a faded version of the same lozenge?
3.)
What about the belly of the plane and the lower surface of the undercarriage inter-wheels plane?
4.)
And how where the wings painted? I have seen many schemas in plain green (olive drab?) above and below, some with lozenges (which ones) some with diagonal streaking (see xmald WIP here (http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=2413.0) but that is not exactly Jasta 6 if I'm not wrong)...
5.)
Which pilot?
So far I found only the profile attributed to Richard "Ricardo" Wenzl (http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/germany/wenzl.php) (credited 12 victories) whose plane should have looked more or less as shown here (http://www.ipmsdeutschland.de/Flugzeuge/Schimpf/Fokker_EV.html)
But some times this plane is associated to Paul Wenzel (http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/germany/wenzel.php) (10 victories) of the same Jasta...
Does anyone have more precise information ?
Thanks for helping!!!!
Antonio
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Hallo again,
I want to ask the advice of all of you before starting this one: I don't know which version of this plane to make, I always prefer to dedicate the build to a pilot, I mean a real person who fought (no matter on which side) on that machine, butinthis case I have really a few information on this plane, I searched the web and the squadron keeping returning from my search is Jasta 6 at Busigny - Escaufort (France) in August 1918.
The colour schemas of this Jasta are nice, they had the black-White striped tail planes and wheel covers, the cowling is white with black wedges and the whole fuselage is lozenge...
Here the questions
1.)
What kind of lozenges? (I suppose 4 colors seen the late period the plane was used)
What colour of the lozenges? And where is it possible to buy them in 1/72 scale?
2.)
The interior of the cockpit would then be in a faded version of the same lozenge?
3.)
What about the belly of the plane and the lower surface of the undercarriage inter-wheels plane?
4.)
And how where the wings painted? I have seen many schemas in plain green (olive drab?) above and below, some with lozenges (which ones) some with diagonal streaking (see xmald WIP here (http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=2413.0) but that is not exactly Jasta 6 if I'm not wrong)...
5.)
Which pilot?
So far I found only the profile attributed to Richard "Ricardo" Wenzl (http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/germany/wenzl.php) (credited 12 victories) whose plane should have looked more or less as shown here (http://www.ipmsdeutschland.de/Flugzeuge/Schimpf/Fokker_EV.html)
But some times this plane is associated to Paul Wenzel (http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/germany/wenzel.php) (10 victories) of the same Jasta...
Does anyone have more precise information ?
Thanks for helping!!!!
Antonio
Antonio. In answer to some of your questions.
1. Fuselage commonly covered in 4 color upper Lozenge, Available from Aviattic. The undersurface of the fuselage is most Likely 4 color Lower Lozenge. The interior would be a reverse upper 4 color included on some of the 1/72nd Aviattic sheets. E Mail Richard for his PDF file to order.
2. The wing is a little more controversial. That being said the Common theory now is that 4 stains were used. A Mocha brown and Green on the uppers and a Lilac and light blue on the lowers. There were some VERY lengthy discussions on the Aerodrome Forum in the RC Models and Colors and Markings sections. A streaky look is evident in some photos.
3. The aircraft you described is Richard Wenzl, Transferred to tempory command of Jasta 6 from Jasta 11. The stripe was his Personal Marking throughout his career as a Jasta pilot including his tenure with Jasta 11 and 6.
I hope this helps.
RAGIII
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Thanks Rick, your infos are very helpful, I was distracted by the tones of the lozenges I found around the web, they are really different from each other, I will mail Richard to get the order form for Aviattic.
Do you happen to know other Jasta 6 pilots' schemas?
Ciao and thanks again...
Antonio
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Thanks Rick, your infos are very helpful, I was distracted by the tones of the lozenges I found around the web, they are really different from each other, I will mail Richard to get the order form for Aviattic.
Do you happen to know other Jasta 6 pilots' schemas?
Ciao and thanks again...
Antonio
The Osprey Richthofens Flying Circus book has another jasta 6 scheme associated with a pilot. There is also the FAMOUS JAsta 6 lineup but really no individual Pilots associated with the aircraft. That being said there are at least 4 or 5 known schemes from the Jasta. I will look and see if there is a Line up photo on the net so as not to break any copy right laws posting photos from books.
RAGIII
PS: As for the Axle wing green on both surfaces is most likely.
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Antonio,
Here is a link to some basic drawings representing the Jasta 6 lineup:
http://wwiaviation.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-fokker-dvii-ev-project-2013.html
RAGIII
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Thanks again Rick
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Hallo,
some steps ahead:
I prepared the additional decals that will complement the crosses on the original Eduard sheet, the stencils going to the port side of the fuselage
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/stencil1.svg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/stencil2.svg)
Fortunately the white band across the fuselage overlaps the s/n because as far as I know the s/n of the plane I decided to reproduce is unknown.
The Jasta 6 profile I chose is this
(http://www.wwiaviation.com/drawings/Fokker-D-VIII_EV_Jasta-6-Busigny-Escaufort_France-August-1918-4-600px.png)
it is said to belong to Ltn. Richard Wenzel Busigny-Escaufort, France, Aug. 1918.
Yesterday I touched up the engine (it was already mounted with the PE piece). I drybrushed with some aluminum just to reinforce the appearance of the cylinders, and decided to leave the PE exhaust tubes, although flat, so I painted them and the effect on such a small scale is acceptable.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/006.jpg) (http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/007.jpg)
I bought a very nice sheet of 4 colors lozenge from Aviattic, now I should decide how to cut them to fit the shape of the plane, my idea so far is this:
externally
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/010.jpg)
interiors
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/011.jpg)
bottom
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/012.jpg)
I never used lozenges before, so any help would be precious for me.
I am very uncertain about 2 things:
- I have pierced the holes to let the control cables of the tail go through, but how do I find them after putting the decals on?
- which base colour should I use to paint the fuselage before lying the decals?
I am also worried about trimming the excess decals that will go out of the fuselage contour...
I also cut a rough shape from an acetate sheet to have a trace when cutting the decals, I also traced the bottom shape on a paper sheet...
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/008.jpg)
Then I re traced the panels on the top wing and on the inter-wheels plane, and enlarged a bit the holes for struts and rigging.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/009.jpg)
Yesterday evening I prepared the control horns for the wing and the rudder but made no photo yet, more later this week
Thanks for looking as usual and have a nice week!
Ciao
Antonio
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Hi Antonio,
Aviattic decals are very difficult to trim once on, I would use templates for them as far as possible and make sure they fit properly before applying them. I use a white base coat for the undersides, and a slightly darker, more tan colour for the uppers. These decals are VERY transparent, so any preshading or details you add WILL show through!
You should be able to find the pre-drilled holes with no trouble. The decals will adhere very nicely to all details.
Ian
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Hi Antonio,
Aviattic decals are very difficult to trim once on, I would use templates for them as far as possible and make sure they fit properly before applying them. I use a white base coat for the undersides, and a slightly darker, more tan colour for the uppers. These decals are VERY transparent, so any preshading or details you add WILL show through!
You should be able to find the pre-drilled holes with no trouble. The decals will adhere very nicely to all details.
Ian
Thanks very much Ian, I will then trim the decals before sliding them on the fuselage, I thought to spray light gray primer all over the fuselage and white primer for the other pieces not needing lozenges. By saying tan you mean light brown such as Tamiya XF-55 Deck Tan or XF-78 Wooden Deck Tan?
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Hi - Looks like you've got the orientation right with the lozenge (you've actually got our joined set for wings here)
I wouldn't recommend grey as a background colour however - seven years work went into getting those colours as they should be and that is only achieved with a white undercoat. If you want to time the colours post washes or mist costs will be far better..
As for application and trimming - we make no secret that trimming these whilst wet or after application is difficult / the instructions cover all this....
Good luck - I am here for advise if required you know?
Regards, Richard
Thanks Richard, your advice would be helpful indeed, 'cause I never used lozenge before.
I will proceed with white bg also because it is the colour of the fuselage vertical band.
I'll read the instruction carefully before starting.
Thanks again
Antonio
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Andonio,
I don't know how I missed your original posting of this build, but I'm sure glad I found it now. I'm very interested in seeing what you do with this as I have one on the stash I procured a long time ago.
Warren
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Andonio,
I don't know how I missed your original posting of this build, but I'm sure glad I found it now. I'm very interested in seeing what you do with this as I have one on the stash I procured a long time ago.
Warren
Thanks Warren, I hope to work this in a good way, it is my first time with lozenges and as I said above there are problems in managing insertion of cables coming out of the fuselage (control wires towards the tail planes , rudder and wing) after putting the decals on.
I understand it should not be difficult to spot the holes beneath the decals because they are transparent, but normally I glue the cables inside the fuselage then I paint it. This time I am afraid to put glue onto the hole (not into... it is 0.3 mm wide) would spoil the decal surface...
Any advice?
Antonio
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Looking forward to seeing what you do with this :)
Terri
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Andonio,
Here is how I did it on my Fokker Triplane, and how I plan to do it on my other builds in this scale:
- Drill out the opening on the side of the fuselage with the appropriate sized drill bit, BUT do not drill all the way through.
- Take a smaller drill bit, just a little larger than your rigging material, and drill a hole in the forward side of the hole you just drilled. This is where you will insert your rigging material when you are done.
- Assemble, paint, decal, weather, etc. your model.
- When all is done, take your rigging material up with tweezers leaving a bit sticking out, dip it in CA, and insert it in the smaller, forward-facing hole that you drilled. I use medium CA. Let it cure for a bit.
- Now you can pull it tight and attach it to the control horns of the rudder or elevator. I also make sure that the I put a spot of flat black paint in the hole for obvious reasons.
Note, if you 1) accidentally drill all the way through the fuselage when you are drilling out the cable exit hole, OR 2) if your fuselage already has it drilled through, it's just an easy matter to glue on a "backing plate" of sorts, and you are back in business.
I hope my explanation makes sense.
Warren
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Thank you Warren, it is a good method, my only doubt, but I will make some experiment to check it, is that I use EZ line (elastic line) and if I dip it into the CA glue it usually wrinkles ... I'll report about it in this build log .
By the way I already pierced the holes all way through the fuselage, but as you said it's easy to close the holes from the back.
Thanks again
Antonio
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Ahhhh, I see, that could be a problem. For this build, you may have to use something else.
Warren
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OK I'll test how to use some fishing line I have at home but have not ever tried it
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Hallo everybody...
here are some progresses:
Rudder
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/013.jpg)
control horns made from 0.5 mm thin plasticard, the PE parts were not drilled and my attempt to make a hole through them resulted in spoiling the piece...
So I made them from scratch.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/021.jpg)
Here you see the rudder painted and my first attempt to use the lozenge decals, I was not too precise cutting away the excess part with the scalpel, I am worried when I'll have to make the more extensive trimming required by the fuselage livery...
Tail planes:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/014.jpg)
same home made control horns...
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/019.jpg)
the stripes were painted using Tamiya Flat black and it was a nightmare, there are a few basic colours from Tamiya that are impossible to use with the brush, this is one!
In any case the result is OK to me and will spray an overall coating of Humbrol satin transparent varnish to get an even finish. The white is Mr.Kit Italian Navy Off white which is a really nice tone, it has a satin finish.
Wheel discs:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/020.jpg)
I will spray the wheels with satin transparent before painting the tyres and putting a lozenge decals disc on the inner side.
Propeller:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/022.jpg)
I should have used a lighter tone for the basis (I used yellow ochre but perhaps is too warm ...)
Cowling:
After painting it off white, I cut some triangles (4 mm basis - 6 mm height) to mask the white parts
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/017.jpg)
and painted with Tamiya Flat black with the same problems.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/018.jpg)
Here some touch up as well as the satin transparent coating will be needed
Wing:
Control horns applied
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/015.jpg)
Then I made some colour essays:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/023.jpg)
To make the streaking more evident, I tried to paint a drybrushed base of Tamiya XF54 Dark Sea Gray (left half of each circle). On each circle I then painted the chosen colour diluted with water (not too much) using a stiffened brush:
44) Tamiya XF64 Red Brown
45) Citadel Goblin Green 61-42
46) Mr.Kit 07 Flag Green
47) Citadel Ice Blue 61-36
48) Citadel Warlock purple 61-28
I didn't like 45 so I tried 46 which I liked most. The other colours appear good to my eyes.
Here is the final result on the upper surface of the wing...
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/024.jpg)
XF64 Red Brown is flat, while Mr.Kit 07 Flag Green is satin, so I will spray all over the satin varnish once the wing is completed and the crosses are in place.
I also started detailing the cockpit:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/016.jpg)
OK that's all for now, stay tuned!
:-)
AnDonio
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Nice update Antonio.
What are you thinning the Tamiya paint with? I find that thinned with 91% Isopropyl Alchohol the stuff brushes out beautifully. I put a drop of paint in a palette well, followed by a drop of alcohol, mix with the brush by running the paint up the side of the well. I brush only in one direction and let it dry before the next coat -- which is very fast as the alcohol evaporates very quickly.
I keep adding alcohol to the well as I go to keep the paint at a nice milky consistency. You can even let the well dry out completely and reconstitute it later, even days later with alcohol.
Best wishes and good luck!
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Nice update Antonio.
What are you thinning the Tamiya paint with? I find that thinned with 91% Isopropyl Alchohol the stuff brushes out beautifully. I put a drop of paint in a palette well, followed by a drop of alcohol, mix with the brush by running the paint up the side of the well. I brush only in one direction and let it dry before the next coat -- which is very fast as the alcohol evaporates very quickly.
I keep adding alcohol to the well as I go to keep the paint at a nice milky consistency. You can even let the well dry out completely and reconstitute it later, even days later with alcohol.
Best wishes and good luck!
Thanks Bo,
I often use Isopropyl Alchohol, this time I did not, don't ask me why...
>:(
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Hallo friends,
a few steps ahead:
the pieces that were painted black and white are now touched up (especially the cowling) and satin-finished.
The inner side of the wheel have been prepared with lozenges
On the tail planes the control horns have been threaded with 0.13 mm fishing line, so that it will be easier when fixing them to the fuselage to open one end and fix it to the fuselage without having to manipulate such a small creature with my thick fingers...
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/025.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/026.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/027.jpg)
I also used a diluted medium gray to tone down a bit the shining black and to enhance the panel lines on the black crosses decals.
here goes the wing
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/028.jpg)
and the control horns of the ailerones
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/029.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/031.jpg)
here is where I applied the reverse lozenge decals to the cockpit walls.
(apologies for the starboard side pic)
I applied the decals over an off white coat, they are barely visible, is this an error of mine?
Which base would be better to make them a bit more visible?
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/032.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/033.jpg)
Pilot seat and wall behind it lozenged and ready to be detailed.
Thanks for your attention!
Ciao
AnDonio
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Thanks Richard, the colour was off white and glossy with wax I brushed on it.
Yes the brush signs are there and the bg seems dirty.
For the fuselage I will spray a white primer and coat it with wax to have it glossy when applying decas to the fuselage.
the cooking tin foil idea is great, I'll use it!
Thanks again
Antonio
PS The seat and back wall lozenges were slided on a tamiya tan deck base made glossy with wax, I like the resulting effect.
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Wounderful work and painting Antonio.
Martin
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Wounderful work and painting Antonio.
Martin
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thank you Martin!
I am now preparing a piece of plastic well painted and waxed to see how the fuselage lozenges appear on different base tones, more later...
Ciao
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Hallo,
here is the result of my experiment to test the aviattic lozenges over different base paint:
I took a plastic piece from an old kit, with plain surfaces
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/034.jpg)
I painted it with 4 different colours (left to right)
- MrKit GC10 German Clear Doped Linen
- MrKit GC13 German Naval Clear Doped Linen
- MrKit IT04 Italian Clear Doped Linen (Light)
- Tamiya Flat White XF-2
They were brushed very carefully and I got an even coat.
Then I used my floor wax to make the whole surface glossy
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/035.jpg)
And then I applied the decals:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/036.jpg)
As you can see the reverse lozenges that I used inside the fuselage now appears really good, and the polygons are clearly readable.
So the problem has been the one highlighted by Richard: uneven paint and surface.
As per the two fuselage lozenges they have a fantastic surface, they adhered perfectly to the glossy surface and all in all they do not show a meaningful difference covering the different colours I used on the piece of plastic.
So probably I will keep using off white (glossy coated) in order to leave uncovered the vertical band on the fuselage without having to re paint it.
I am very happy with this result.
Let's go ahead now!
Ciao
Antonio
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Hallo everybody,
A tiny step ahead, small in dimensions and not in chronological terms...
I rebuilt from scratch the cockpit, nothing was in the kit but tiny, flat PE simulations of the inner tubing.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/037.jpg)
Port side: tubings are 0.8 mm diam. plasticard rods the seat structure is 0.5 mm diam.
THe length of the whole structure is less than 2 cm.
As always the super detail shows more imperfections than if it iseen from a natural distance.
In Italy we have a proverb saying "Even the cockroach is beautiful to the eyes of his mother".
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/038.jpg)
Starboard side: on the opposite "wall" you can see the magneto, the plate on which it is fixed was taken from the PE fret, the round piece and the lever were made from plasticard, and the "throttle" was taken from the PS as it was.
The front piece is the ammunition reservoir with the 2 tubes for the Synchronization gear cables.
(see them here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronization_gear#/media/File:Zentralsteuerung01.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/039.jpg)
Here you can see better the magneto and the throttle, moreover you can see the compass on the floor on the right of the pilot.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/040.jpg)
Here you can see the control column, I took the terminal from the "flat" PE and glued it on top of a 0.4 mm diam. iron rod.
I painted a thich drop of brown on eac of the handles to simulate some thickness...
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/041.jpg)
Her you can see the airspeed indicator, it was below the ammo container but I wasn't able to glue it there properly becaust it collided with the rudder pedals (yea, there are also the pedals... believe me...
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/042.jpg)
Here are the 2 Spandau, from Mini World, very nice, the giant cent coin is just for cheating ...
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/043.jpg)
Larger detail
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/044.jpg)
Here you can see the 2 MGs provisionally mounted on the fuselage, provisionally closed.
I glued 2 fuel tank corks and traced the profile of the top cowling that has to be painted green and not "lozenged".
I also made a couple of holes to let the ammunition belts come out of...
Ouff...
I pity my eyes...
Thanks as usual for your attention my friends...
AnDonio
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Great looking interior and guns, AnDonio! Truly remarkable for 1/72 scale.
Cheers,
Bud
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Very beautiful interior and weapons, Antonio.
Martin
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Very good progress Antonio! I am Impressed with your tiny 1/72nd MGS!
RAGIII
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Thank you friends, yesterday I glued the cockpit cage to one fuselage half, now I'm ready to close it.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/045.jpg)
The cables of the rudder pedals appear un-glued from this photo...
Oh sh** I didn't realize it...
I will make a try to re-stretch them...
Ciao
AnDonio
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Very nice update.
Martin
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That is stunning work remaking the cockpit framing
Antonio. Even more considering the scale. The
Spandau's are little works of art. Quite a project
and you are doing a great job, my friend. :D
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Thanks Ernie,
yes the Spandaus are a masterpiece, these Mini World stuff are really a crack!
I lost to the floor (I have no carpet!) monster one of the front pieces with the gunsight the refore I avoided to put the other one...
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Hallo,
here are some news from the Fokker factory:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/046.jpg)
here you can see the brass piece provided by the PE fret simulating the metal panel closing the forward part of the fuselage with the undercarriage struts.
The plate itself is not bad so I decided to keep it, but the struts where flat and I did not like them, so I decided to make them from scratch using a 1 mm diameter plastic rod that I flattened on two opposite "faces" to get the aerodynamic section.
I pierced the rods to insert a pin made from an electric wire.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/051.jpg)
then I cut away the flat-struts and glued the plate under the fuselage.
You can see here the holes for the tail handles and the set up to the cockpit pierced and marked with a black felt to see them after priming the fuselage.
I also carved and blacked the square pit under the control column (I suppose...)
The joining line was sanded even enough but not filled with putty, I would like to let it peep from under the lozenges, I will mark it with the felt after priming and study a way to draw the stitching line thet used to close the lozenged canvas according to some pictures I saw...
Any Ideas about how to make it?
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/047.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/048.jpg)
other details added to the top side of the cowling and to the firewall to be painted metal.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/052.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/053.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/054.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/055.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/056.jpg)
Here I glued the bottom part of theundercarriage struts in their final position, the fuselage was used to give the struts the correct position, not yet glued.
The whole carriage sub assembly has been now painted green with satin finish.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/057.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/058.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/059.jpg)
Then I cut a plastic hollow tube used to bind plants to support sticks with a razor blade to simulate the leather trimming inside the cockpit hole.
That's all for now, now I will create the struts sustaining the wing using the same technique used for the undercarriage, then will proceed to prime the fuselage and go with the lozenges.
Ciaoooo!
Antonio
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Outstanding work all around, Andonio! I like the color coding on the struts, but isn't starboard green and port red? ;)
Cheers,
Bud
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Outstanding work all around, Andonio! I like the color coding on the struts, but isn't starboard green and port red? ;)
Cheers,
Bud
Thanks Bud, yes you're right, I did not take into account thet the bottom plate had to be turned upside down when going under the fuselage!
I spotted the error immediately and kept it until fixing the struts!
Thanks for reminding me that!!!
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(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/060.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/061.jpg)
Here are the ammunition sliders I built from aluminum bands cut from an empty toothpaste tube...
I will glue the ammo belts (provided by the miniworld MG kits) on them.
Now I am building the V shaped wing struts...
Ciao
Antonio
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Exellent work to your build, Antonio.
Martin
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Excellent progress Antonio!
RAGIII
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This is a real treat to follow, I had to double-check the thread title because I thought this was 1/48. Great work on the various modifications and enhancements!
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Beautiful work so far Antonio, she's coming on very nicely. I'm also a big fan of the Mini world guns, especially the twin Lewis and Scarff rings.
Ian
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Thank you Ian!
Just had a couple of hours yesterday and finished the 2 reversed V struts holding the parasol wing.
I used the PE piece as a model for the length and angle
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/062.jpg)
now I will try them in position (orange trace in the following picture) laying the wing over to check their position and to prepare the other two struts (green and blue).
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/tmp.jpg)
I also tried to decide the size of the stencils on both the sides of the fuselage.
I pasted over the photo of my fuselage the stencils I made with my Inkscape vector program...
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/stencil_try.jpg)
Here you can see the position of the crosses and of the white band, gentlemen I ask for your advice, because I did not find any picture of the 153/18 with clear indications of the starboard stencil position.
I saw somewhere that on the port side the s/n was hidden by the white vertical band (as I show in the lower picture) if I position the starboard stencil in a symmetrical way, that's to say aligning its 8 with the F of the port stencil it should appear like in the upper picture.
According to your opinion, does this appear a good reasoning and the position of the stencils can be acceptable?
Thanks for sharing your points of view!
Antonio
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Thanks Richard,
I agree about the proportions, will shrink both a bit.
I was wondering about the position and then to understand which portion on each side would appear hidden by the vertical white band.
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(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/063.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/064.jpg)
The triple struts holding the wing are ready, in these pictures they are not glued, will be removed when putting on the decals.
Ciao
Antonio
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Very nice work on the struts and markings trials!
RAGIII
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Excellent progress, Antonio! The E.V is really
starting to take shape now. Great job of the struts!
I'm looking forward to the next updates, my friend. :D
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Nice attention to the details :)
Terri
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Thanks my friends,
:)
Antonio
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Very good work.
Martin
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Thank you Martin,
:)
meanwhile I made some progress:
I found in my decals shoebox the HGW stitching, although thry are in 48th (they don't seem to make the 72nd scale version) I decided to give them a chance and tried (on the left) to stick a small piece of stitch on a spare plastic and "cover" it with a waste piece of the Aviattic lozenges, they fit together very well and I proceeded to use them on the plane belly.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/065.jpg)
Then I cut all the needed panels from the Aviattic sheet.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/066.jpg)
And these are the results:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/067.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/068.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/069.jpg)
I'm pretty satisfied with it...
Now I shall slide the crosses and the stencil decals over the lozenges, according to your experts' opinion should I seal the lozenges before sliding the other decals over them or is it possible to put the other decals over them and then seal all together ?
(I use a Humbrol acrylic satin varnish rattlecan to seal the whole)
Here is the leaflet with the stencils printed out on my Inkjet (see enlargement below to see the printer's resolution).
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/070.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/070a.jpg)
Ciao!
Antonio
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Looking great!
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You are making terrific progress! Looking forward to the next update.
RAGIII
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Thanks Cajun and Rick!
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/071.jpg)
Here is the last update for today, stencils and side crosses were slided in their place without any sealing before.
The lozenges were perfectly dry (were put on 24 hrs ago), now I want to wait some hour before handling the fuselage again, will try to touch up the rearmost black band, and then seal everything off with satin varnish.
Thanks for lookin' !
Antonio
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Nice work Antonio. The smaller weight table looks much better.
Ian
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It looks very beautiful.
Martin
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Fantastic job, Antonio!
Cheers,
Bud
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The serial number and stencils are looking great!
RAGIII
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Thanks everybody, I am happy enough with the result so far, I have sprayed the Humbrol acrylic satin varnish over the stencil decals before sliding them over the lozenges and then I sealed evrything off with the same varnish... The result is great: no silvering at all, I used to seal the decals after Inkjet printing with a matt varnish and they always had the silvering effect, which was due to the matt finish I guess, now I have found this Humbrol spray can which has solved (hopefully) the problem.
Ciao
Antonio
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Thanks Richard!
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MGs and windshield in place!
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/072.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/073.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/074.jpg)
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It looks better and better.
Martin
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Antonio,
Your touch up of the stripe is much better and the MGs look awesome!
RAGIII
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Ehr... oops... Rick, I forgot completely to touch up the stripes...
Now I have attached wings struts and rigging...
:-(
Thanks everybody for the nice comments
Antonio
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Ehr... oops... Rick, I forgot completely to touch up the stripes...
Now I have attached wings struts and rigging...
:-(
Thanks everybody for the nice comments
Antonio
I could have sworn the rear stripe looked touched up! Perhaps My view of your first photos was off :o Either way looking great!
RAGIII
RAGIII
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Hallo,
today I finished the Fokker EV, here are some pictures, full reportage in the COMPLETED MODELS section (http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=5836)
Thanks for following!!!
AnDonio
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/075.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/076.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/081.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/fokker_dviii/084.jpg)
Ciao!!!
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Congrats Antonio, your build has been a pleasure to follow!
RAGIII
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Thank you Rick I enjoyed it!
Antonio
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I agree with Rick 100%, Antonio. This build was fun to follow.
Cheers,
Bud
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;)
Thanks Bud
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You have made a very fine and beautiful bird, Antonio.
Martin
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Lovely work Antonio, she looks great!
Ian
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Great job, Antonio! I enjoyed following your build, my friend. :D
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Thank you friends!
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Bravo, Andonio
Veramente molto bello!
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Grazie ermeio!