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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Vacform Kits => Topic started by: NinetythirdLiberator on September 22, 2014, 12:30:59 PM

Title: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on September 22, 2014, 12:30:59 PM: Hello Everyone,

I just can't get this vac bug licked. I started another build of the Austro-Hungarian persuasion. This time, a cool flying boat which I know nothing about. This will be fun.

(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_2376_zpsbd7477e1.jpg)

I just cut it out and everything is sanded. Ready to start the interior etc.

It has an interesting engine mount/wing area so wish me luck ::)

Cheers,

Dan
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: RAGIII on September 22, 2014, 10:32:15 PM: Looking forward to your build! I am sure you will do your usual stellar work!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: rhallinger on September 23, 2014, 12:42:57 AM: Great choice Dan! I would love to do one of Banfield's flying boats in 1/32 some day. I'm still holding out for a Lohner from WNW. ;D Your Type A should be very interesting. I am confident that it will emerge beautifully under your skilled touch.

Cheers,

Bob
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: Des on September 23, 2014, 08:04:24 AM: I've never built a vac kit so I will be following your build closely Dan, the subject you have chosen is very interesting.

Des.
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: Wolf on September 24, 2014, 06:58:56 PM: Very interesting subject. I am looking forward for the next updates.
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on September 25, 2014, 03:08:23 AM: All,

A bit more done here. I am having a lot of difficulty finding much info about this plane other than some profiles. I can't even decide if it was a two seater or single...any ideas from you chaps and chapettes? :-[

So...I pulled a Luft '46 and made things up based on pictures of other float planes I've seen. I added a compass on the floor, a simple instrument panel, seat and belts and some controls and side ribbing. Here it is so far...

(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_2380_zpsbfb588be.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_2381_zps07bc191b.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_2383_zpsf671246e.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_2384_zps604a515b.jpg)

It is fun and suitably busy, but not accurate. Any ideas would certainly be entertained ;D

Thanks for looking,

Dan
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: uncletony on September 25, 2014, 03:37:36 AM: The nice thing about ww1 planes is the "furniture" wasn't standardized at all like we think of today. So it is going to be hard to argue with your educated guesses methinks.

Cool project! Looking forward to more.
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: coyotemagic on September 25, 2014, 03:51:36 AM: Great start on another awesome project, Dan. I agree with Bo. Don't sweat the small stuff. No, wait. That's not Bo's philosophy at all. Let me rethink that and get back to you later.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: stevehed on September 25, 2014, 03:58:57 AM: Looking good and definitely a single seater.

Regards, Steve
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: RAGIII on September 25, 2014, 04:22:32 AM: Looks great so far! I am amazed by the speed and detail of your work on these kits.
RAGIII
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on September 25, 2014, 06:06:59 AM: Thanks, Steve, Bud, Bo and RAG...sounds like an old Rock an' Roll band...

I'm glad to hear there is at least one vote for single seater. I kind of like my cockpit as is (so far). ;)

Thanks for the encouragement. I think I'll paint this up, close up shop and then start kit-bashing a Roden engine.

More soon,
Dan
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: Alexis on September 25, 2014, 11:12:31 AM: Hi Dan ,

Off to another excellent start on vac :)

Terri
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on September 26, 2014, 02:18:42 PM: Thanks, Everybody...this is a fun build. I love flying boats! :D

I painted the interior, put the fuselage sides together and also added the lower step (which was molded separately) and it is looking good so far. These shots show it after some sanding and filler and a coat of primer. Still a ways to go, but I wanted folks to see it before it was finished. ::)

(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_2392_zps3e13b58b.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_2391_zps67864db8.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_2390_zps15eb4f41.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_2389_zps877cb4c4.jpg)

I'll fix all the dings and then start the engine and engine mount as well as make fittings for the lower wing. Should be just fine!

Thanks for looking...
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: Des on September 26, 2014, 02:22:33 PM: You are making great progress Dan, it is really starting to shape up nicely.

Des.
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: rhallinger on September 26, 2014, 08:34:28 PM: Outstanding work Dan! I love seeing this one come together. :D The fuselage/hull looks great!

Cheers,

Bob
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: RAGIII on September 27, 2014, 11:25:11 AM: Dan,
I am still amazed at how quickly you can make these difficult projects look beautiful!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: Culi on September 27, 2014, 06:35:28 PM: This fuselage looks like some beast from the seas :D However it looks great how you build it so far. No doubt for the final result.
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on September 28, 2014, 07:46:02 AM: All,

There is a point where these guys just start falling together and I started to hit that spot. The bottom wing went on with some brass and drilling and the tails were next. I still need to do some spot filling but this elegant beast is really coming along.

(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_2407_zps71f494bd.jpg)

I want to start the top wing mount and the engine area soon. Really an enjoyable and satisfying build so far.

Thanks for looking...Dan
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: Wolf on September 28, 2014, 08:04:02 AM: Great progress
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on October 01, 2014, 02:34:12 PM: All,

I got a bit more done on this little guy. I started making a new Hiero 230hp engine that started out as cylinders and the top half of the crank case from a Roden Benz engine. Since the mags are in the center and not on the end, they were placed there and the cylinders split so the mags would fit. I then made a new bottom half of the crank case to look more like my references. I have also started detailing some exhaust and radiator parts and there is more to go...but it's a start.

I then started the trapeze engine mount and got this far. The engine is just perched there...it's crooked etc. since it's not glued in but you get the idea. Looks pretty cool, I reckon.

(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_2417_zpsba7592ed.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_2418_zps32baa179.jpg)

Moving right along. Thanks for looking. :D :D

Dan
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: Des on October 01, 2014, 03:03:55 PM: That is looking really cool Dan, I love the look of the early flying boats and their high mounted engines, this is turning into a very nice looking model.

Des.
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: Ernie on October 01, 2014, 09:27:04 PM: Amazing work on a really interesting project, Dan. She is really
starting to look the business now. :D

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: PrzemoL on October 01, 2014, 09:41:04 PM: This build hits my soft spot - WW1 flying boats... Lovely progress so far.
I am sorry, I cannot help you with the references, if it was a Lohner it would be a different story.
Anyway, I would follow what Bo wrote - your educated guess is as right as any other option.
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on October 03, 2014, 01:57:08 PM: All,

Still more done tonight. I put some stub exhausts on and added some spark plug wires...a necessity since the engine is out there in the breeze. They are not perfect, but will look ok in person.

(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_2420_zps3f3e9f53.jpg)

I also cemented the engine onto the mount as it lets me detail the engine without my fingers destroying it! Looking pretty nice and straight.

(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_2425_zps572cbc84.jpg)

I also added some more radiator tubing as well as elevators and elevator horns. I still have some detailing on the engine to go, but it's close. I'll start rigging the engine mount tomorrow! :P

Thanks for looking...Dan
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on October 03, 2014, 03:51:07 PM: damn nice dan, really enjoying the build
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: RAGIII on October 03, 2014, 07:46:09 PM: Outstanding work Dan! Lovely engine. The whole thing is coming together well!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: Alexis on October 03, 2014, 09:21:25 PM: She is really starting to come together Dan , looking forward on the next up-date :)

Terri
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on October 04, 2014, 12:39:47 AM: Thanks Terri, Rick and Scott... :D

I really want to get it moving this weekend and do some red/white painting to brighten things up!

Stay tuned....Dan
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: coyotemagic on October 04, 2014, 02:18:52 AM: Exceptional work on the engine, Dan, especially considering it's size.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: IanB on October 04, 2014, 10:48:12 AM: She's looking great Dan, looking forward to more!

Ian
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on October 05, 2014, 03:11:59 PM: Hello Crazy Vacform Lovers,

I got the engine painted, the Austrian fields painted and the decals on. They were touch and go as a test decal broke into a million, billion pieces. I then sprayed the ones I wanted to use with Future and cut them out very closely. They were super thin but went on ok. Even the nose/hull cross even though it will need a bit of touch up. I also needed to spray the white field for the nose cross too. I only lack a good Austrian crown decal for the rudder. I'll be on the lookout for that...

(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_2426_zps958e7be0.jpg)

I'll do some rib tape shading tomorrow and hopefully attach the upper wing!

Thanks for looking....Dan
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: Des on October 05, 2014, 04:06:33 PM: You certainly are powering ahead with this one Dan, the decals look great as does the Austrian colour fields, she is a very smart looking bird indeed, looking forward to seeing the top wing mounted.

Des.
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: Nigel Jackson on October 05, 2014, 04:26:15 PM: Ah, the 'million, billion piece' broken decal, Dan! I've been there too, but you've got things sorted out beautifully and things are shaping up into a fine model.

Best wishes
Nigel
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: RAGIII on October 05, 2014, 10:37:23 PM: Sorry to hear of your decal issues. It seems you got past the problem with no difficulty. Looks beautiful!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on October 06, 2014, 12:51:12 AM: Thanks, Guys...

The decals were just really delicate once they had future on them. A couple ripped but at least didn't explode! ;)

Lovely little machine that I just can't ruin at this point!

Thanks and cheers,

Dan
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: lcarroll on October 06, 2014, 02:06:42 AM: This is really nice, Dan, you are really doing some fine work on Her. I've never built a Vac Kit but the more I see of results like yours the more I'm drawn to doing one. I'm really enjoying following your progress.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: rhallinger on October 06, 2014, 02:55:56 AM: Beautiful modeling Dan! She really looks sharp. The A-H colors and markings really make this an interesting model, and your superb craftsmanship is turning her into a real beauty. ;D. Very well done!

Cheers,

Bob
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on October 06, 2014, 02:15:44 PM: Hello Everyone,

With the help of my son, I think I improved a bit on the paper 3-view jig a bit using Legos. And the wing is on, straight and true. It's really strong too with all those triangular arrangements. What a cool plane... 8) 8)

(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_2451_zps7b6d4b74.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_2454_zps65887277.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_2453_zps718b2b5b.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_2452_zps4e5c2cca.jpg)

Rigging should be easy with some EZ-Line. It's REALLY close now! I'll paint up the struts and start rigging soon.

I also did some rib tape highlighting by taping off and spraying with some Tamyia "Smoke". At least it breaks up the grey expanse of the wings and stab. ::)

Thanks for looking,

Dan
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: Des on October 06, 2014, 03:06:36 PM: It looks fantastic with the top wing mounted Dan, this is a really neat looking aeroplane, looking forward to seeing the rigging fitted.

Des.
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on October 06, 2014, 03:15:42 PM: superb
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: RAGIII on October 06, 2014, 11:48:23 PM: Outstanding build!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: IanB on October 07, 2014, 10:42:06 AM: Beautiful!
I have a set of the Pegasus A-H decals, the smallest sizes for the rudder emblems are 7mm and 8mm top to bottom, not including the little spike on top of the crown. Let me know if they will be ok, I'll send you a pair.....

Ian
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on October 08, 2014, 03:12:12 AM: Thanks, everyone! And Ian...I think I found some but thanks so much for the help! :D :D :) :) ;) ;)

Dan
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: Wolf on October 10, 2014, 07:34:51 AM: A wonderfull bird. No one would think that this is a vacu.
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on October 13, 2014, 11:47:00 AM: All,

She's done! Check her out on the completed folder... :) :)

Thanks for all the encouragement along the way.

Here's a peek! ;)

(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_2472_zps4e4d1613.jpg)

Dan
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: Des on October 13, 2014, 12:37:35 PM: I've just left my comments over in the completed models board, this is truely an amazing model Dan, very well done.

Des.
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: coyotemagic on October 14, 2014, 02:17:53 AM: Truly stunning, Dan! And you completed her in record time. Amazing.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: WarrenD on November 23, 2014, 11:30:40 PM: Just beautiful Dan!

Warren
Title: Re: Phonix Type "A" Flying Boat (1/72nd Joystick)
Post by: radio on November 24, 2014, 02:33:20 AM: Absoluty beautiful model Dan.
Martin