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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: Gisbod on November 13, 2013, 12:32:40 AM
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Hello,
Couldn't resist starting this:
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Gaspatch%20Salmson/image.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Gaspatch%20Salmson/image.jpg.html)
I had no intention of buying it - I thought I wouldn't bother with WW1 1/48th again, but when you see it in the flesh - it's just impossible to resist! Really nice to meet Costas & the team, really nice guys and very helpful & friendly :D
I think I'm going for this American scheme - I just like the top wing markings and they even provide a '15' paint mask for the small over painted old 15 which you can just see..
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Gaspatch%20Salmson/image-1.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Gaspatch%20Salmson/image-1.jpg.html)
Another nice thing about the kit is you really don't need any extras at all - I did buy their vickers gun, but it's really not a necessity. I probably spent more on extras on the Alby than I did on the kit.. ::)
One question though.. The stripes on the wings are depicted as slanted, but all the squadron period photos I've found are straight? Although I haven't yet found a photo of '15's top wing? If anyone has a link to any photos I'd be very grateful.
I've made a start and painted the wood parts and some of the interior, but nothing to really post a photo of - I'll update when I have something to show. Initial thoughts are incredible detail - easily 1/32 level, the box is crammed full, the PE is really great, even giving you PE options for the ammo rack and the throttle quadrant. A nice touch ;)
Dreading the rigging in this scale :P but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it! My other area of concern is the struts and top wing - struts are very delicate and not a 'positive' connection like Wingnuts, so I think I'll have to make a proper jig - I'll be asking more about this later...
Thanks for looking in.
Guy
Ps they supply a really clever cardboard jig to get the correct dihedral on the lower wings - very well thought out..
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This kit looks incredible! I am looking forward to seeing your build take shape!!
RAGIII
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Hello Guy,
No wonder that you can't resist starting on this one. I overlooked the assembly manual the day before yesterday and I was overwhelmed by the details. Very very nice. All the best of luck with the build!
Kind regards
Patrick
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That should make a superb model, Guy. It will be fun to follow
your build. With your talents, it will be a stunner.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Hello Guy:
This kit sure fills a void in the 1/48 WWI range of kits. I have seen it but never made the plunge, waiting for the WNW to be released. I am looking forward to your build log and see how it goes for you and what pitfalls, if any, you discover along the way and how you overcome them.
Best
Mark
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Glad to see you taking the lead on this one, Guy. I'm anxiously awaiting the release to the general public, so I'll be following this build closely. In regards to the slanted stripes, I have the Salmson book from Flying Machine Press by Colin Owers, Jon Guttman and James Davilla. http://www.amazon.com/Salmson-Aircraft-World-Great-Profile/dp/1891268163/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1384276824&sr=1-1&keywords=salmson+2a2 On page 60 at the bottom of the page there is an excellent photo of No.15, 91st Aero Sqdn, nosed over, clearly showing the slanted stripes. It also shows that the number 15 had at, one time, been painted smaller, then over painted and the larger 15 applied. I like these markings very much and I know it will be quite a striking model when you're finished.
Cheers,
Bud
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Thanks Bud ;)
That's really helpful - I wonder why the others had straight lines?
I don't suppose that photo is anywhere on the internet?
Guy
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The kit looks amazing Guy and I'm looking forward to seeing your first progress photos.
Des.
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I don't suppose that photo is anywhere on the internet?
Not that I know of, Guy, but I'll keep looking.
Cheers,
Bud
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Hi All
How wonderful to think that whether we work with 1/48 or 1/32 we will soon have state of the art models of the 2A2 in each scale. Could we possibly have imagined that ten years ago?
Best wishes
Nigel
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Guy.. Looking forward to your progress. I am planning on the WNW kit and this build should give me a big helping hand.
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Yummy! I wonder how it all turns out - it looks like a really nice model.
I always liked the plane...
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Hi,
Just a wee update - I've been working pretty hard on this but not much to show yet as all the wood bits are painted with oils, needing a few days to dry before I can start putting the cockpit together..
But I've had a bash at the rear guns, engine and bits and bobs..
The gunner station is lovely but very fiddly! :o I'd suggest a stiff brandy before attempting this... I managed to break the rail twice.. :P I don't know if it's just me, but I find the really thin parts on any kit very difficult to cut away from the sprue without breaking/bending/distorting.. Any tips? ??? (And I've just realised the drum handles would have been a leather strap - I wish now I'd cut the kit ones off and replaced with thin masking or similar.. :-[)
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Gaspatch%20Salmson/IMG_0408.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Gaspatch%20Salmson/IMG_0408.jpg.html)
The engine is very detailed indeed with lots of photo etch - I need to do a little more detail painting, but basically done. I was going to paint the segments first to make it easier to represent the various colours recommended, but I decided to build first, paint later as I would have made a right mess gluing painted parts! And I'm glad I did due to the number of small parts involved (probably just me being used to 1/32 scale!).
The photo etch drum rack is great - a big improvement on the moulded option ;)
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Gaspatch%20Salmson/IMG_0413.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Gaspatch%20Salmson/IMG_0413.jpg.html)
The throttle quadrants are very good - the one on the right has 7 parts! (But the moulded options for these are very good if you can't quite face it.) the disc is the aerial wire spool - really nicely replicated with 2 PE parts and a spacer ;)
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Gaspatch%20Salmson/IMG_0414.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Gaspatch%20Salmson/IMG_0414.jpg.html)
Again, it's proving to be a fantastic kit ;D
Cheers
Guy
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A great start Guy!
It is almost hard to believe that we're looking at 1/48 scale here. I just had to open the box of my to remind myself how small and delicate the parts are.
I too would be glad to hear of a way to cut very delicate parts from a sprue which avoids distorting them. What I tend to do is to use Tamiya cutters, supporting the piece being cut by holding it in flat-tipped tweezers as near to the point of cut as possible. Where the piece is long and thin I also place masking tape along its length to give further support. Inevitably there will remain something to sand down and again the tweezers and masking tape are used.
Best wishes
Nigel
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Guns and engine are beautiful !
I'm curious how will be look model.
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Looks like a fun build and a potentially beautiful model. When I went to the Gaspatch site, it said it was not available to the public just yet. Can you tell me how to acquire the kit?
Life's Best,
Rick
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Hello Rick,
It'll be for sale shortly.. ;)
I got mine from Gaspatch direct at the Scale Model World show.
Guy
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The detail in those parts you have completed is excellent, hard to believe that this is a 1:48 scale kit. What you have done so far is brilliant and I can see that this is going to turn out to be a real masterpiece. I'm looking forward to seeing all your interior wood work.
Des.
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did they give a hint on when the kit would be available. it could be considered mild torture watching a kit be built that i cant buy.
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Very fine start Guy. I feel this will be another great build.
Kind regards
Patrick
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Thanks for looking in ;)
I too would be glad to hear of a way to cut very delicate parts from a sprue which avoids distorting them. What I tend to do is to use Tamiya cutters, supporting the piece being cut by holding it in flat-tipped tweezers as near to the point of cut as possible. Where the piece is long and thin I also place masking tape along its length to give further support. Inevitably there will remain something to sand down and again the tweezers and masking tape are used.
Nigel
Thanks Nigel.. I try generally to cut well away from the part then use a sharp scalpel to remove the excess when it's not under tension, but I still struggle ::)
did they give a hint on when the kit would be available. it could be considered mild torture watching a kit be built that i cant buy.
Yes, I can understand that! They seemed to think it was very soon, so I imagine it's only a matter of days. They had big boxes full of kits with them.
Guy
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Hi Guy,
very impressive looking kit and build.
Found this link to the Salmson manual,hope it helps some.
http://www.muzeumlotnictwa.pl/index.php/digitalizacja/katalog/1430
For cutting off fine delicate pieces I use a razor saw,the type that fits onto a scalpel handle.
It allows more control over detaching the part,then I clean up the nub in the regular way.
Dave.
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Very fine progress, Gisbod. It will be very interesting to watch this unveil. I am still debating internally if I should get a Salmson kit, though it will certainly not be 48th scale. ;)
As for cutting tiny details from sprues, I would like to share my method. I am not using a scalpel but a razor blade. The point is not only the sharpness but the thickness of the blade. Even the new sharp scalpel is much thicker than the razor blade. When you cut with a thick blade, then you inevitably introduce stress to the element - compression which leads to buckling and ultimately - to breaking the piece if it is too slender. Contrary to this - the thin razor blade moved delicately like a saw across the sprue branch, well away from the piece, is pretty safe to use. Honestly, I do not remember when I broke a piece last time.
Speaking of razor blades I mean this:
http://agreatshave.co.uk/shop/wilkinson-sword-de-razor-blades-pack-of-5/
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As for cutting tiny details from sprues, I would like to share my method. I am not using a scalpel but a razor blade. The point is not only the sharpness but the thickness of the blade. Even the new sharp scalpel is much thicker than the razor blade. When you cut with a thick blade, then you inevitably introduce stress to the element - compression which leads to buckling and ultimately - to breaking the piece if it is too slender. Contrary to this - the thin razor blade moved delicately like a saw across the sprue branch, well away from the piece, is pretty safe to use. Honestly, I do not remember when I broke a piece last time.
Speaking of razor blades I mean this:
http://agreatshave.co.uk/shop/wilkinson-sword-de-razor-blades-pack-of-5/
Great, thanks very much, I'll try that :)
Hi Guy,
very impressive looking kit and build.
Found this link to the Salmson manual,hope it helps some.
http://www.muzeumlotnictwa.pl/index.php/digitalizacja/katalog/1430
For cutting off fine delicate pieces I use a razor saw,the type that fits onto a scalpel handle.
It allows more control over detaching the part,then I clean up the nub in the regular way.
Dave.
Brilliant, very helpful link, thanks Dave.
I'm already worrying about the struts/top wing fitting ::) definitely my Achilles heel!
As I mentioned before, not a positive connection, just a teeny hole in the wing and a teeny connection knob on the very thin struts. So, should I glue the struts first, let set or do the whole thing in one go? I was thinking maybe an epoxy glue for the struts, let partially set then top wing? How do I go about setting up a jig? How can I ensure the struts are perfectly upright? (The top wing is directly above the lower wing I think - no forward rake/slant.. ).
Any help gratefully received! (Or even better, can someone just pop round and do that bit for me? :D)
Thanks
Guy
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The instruction book camouflage colours are very bright - can someone link me to a finished model/aircraft where the colours are evident to get get a feel of what I'm trying to reproduce?
Ta
G
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I'm already worrying about the struts/top wing fitting ::) definitely my Achilles heel!
As I mentioned before, not a positive connection, just a teeny hole in the wing and a teeny connection knob on the very thin struts. So, should I glue the struts first, let set or do the whole thing in one go? I was thinking maybe an epoxy glue for the struts, let partially set then top wing? How do I go about setting up a jig? How can I ensure the struts are perfectly upright? (The top wing is directly above the lower wing I think - no forward rake/slant.. ).
Any help gratefully received! (Or even better, can someone just pop round and do that bit for me? :D)
In the case of single struts and unlike-WNW socket-pin connection, as is seemingly the case with Gaspatch Salmson, I first attach the outward interplane struts. With a model resting on a solid base (sometimes just wing support and Patafix blobs to hold it still, sometimes a cardboard jig - e.g. check my 72nd scale SE5a or FF49 build logs) I spend a long time arranging the geometry, in the side, front and top views, also measuring the distance between the top pins lengthwise and spanwise. To fix the struts temporarily during this alignment I am using Patafix. When these four struts are aligned I take off one of them, remove the patafix, apply the glue for plastic and attach it back, again measuring the pin distance in two directions. If it is a resin kit, after the plastic glue is set, I apply liquid CA glue around the strut base using a sharpened toothpick. And so on, one after another, the struts get fixed. Then I attach the top wing, I introduce the glue to the sockets, not to the pins, as it may be smeared on the wing underside when placing the wing. If there is a stagger a solid support in front of the wing is recommended to avoid any possible movement to the front. When this is set I introduce the inward struts and at the very end - the cabane ones. Hope this may help you.
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The instruction book camouflage colours are very bright - can someone link me to a finished model/aircraft where the colours are evident to get get a feel of what I'm trying to reproduce?
Ta
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Hello Guy,
Great to meet you at the show!
This is coming on a treat - just been fondling mine... (Salmson that is) very impressed, Costas. Decal design on-going now!
Colours:
Not sure how good these swatches will come out on your monitor, but they are taken from Allan Tolle's information:
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h77/airbag2/Pheon%20Models/Colours_zps33484580.jpg)
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Your engine, Machine Guns, and Small assemblies look terrific! Extremely well assembled and painted!! Gaspatch has done an outstanding job in turning out an unbelievably high quality kit!
RAGIII
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The instruction book camouflage colours are very bright - can someone link me to a finished model/aircraft where the colours are evident to get get a feel of what I'm trying to reproduce?
Perhaps this is of interest (cribbed from WNW site):
Later production aircraft were finished in the ‘standard’ French 5 colour camouflage scheme of chestnut brown, beige, light green, dark green (all of which contained an imperceptible amount of aluminium powder which imparts a very subtle semi gloss ‘pearlescent’ sheen) and black. The undersides appear to have been left as clear doped silk with metal panels painted ecru. Note that while the patterns of the camouflage remained remarkably consistent, existing samples of fabric indicate that the colours were subject to considerable variation, as were the cockade colours. In many period photographs the tonal difference between the beige, brown and greens appears negligible. Aluminium fuselage panels were finished in gloss Ripolin paints (without aluminium powder) which closely, but not exactly, matched the adjacent fabric colours.
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did they give a hint on when the kit would be available. it could be considered mild torture watching a kit be built that i cant buy.
It's available now, Scott! (sorry to highjack your thread, Guy)
Cheers,
Bud
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Excellent! Thank you all.
And thank you Przemol, Rowan and Bo for the input.. That's all been extremely helpful ;D
Bud: that's good news, I'd all get one ASAP!
Hopefully more pictures soon...
Guy
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So..
The oils have dried allowing me to start gluing..
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Gaspatch%20Salmson/IMG_0430-1.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Gaspatch%20Salmson/IMG_0430-1.jpg.html)
Nothing but good things to say about the kit so far.. The fit seems very good ;)
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Gaspatch%20Salmson/IMG_0425.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Gaspatch%20Salmson/IMG_0425.jpg.html)
Look, there's even a loo.. ;D
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Gaspatch%20Salmson/IMG_0421-1.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Gaspatch%20Salmson/IMG_0421-1.jpg.html)
Cheers,
Guy
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Sharp, clean, immaculate. Modelling at its top class! Delight to behold!
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This looks super work so far Guy. I can't wait to see the final outcome.
Best wishes
Nigel
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Absolutely wonderfull! I think that I may get one for new year :)
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Spectacular progress, Guy! Mine went in the post this morning, so it should be here soon. I'll have to start it as soon as it arrives.
Cheers,
Bud
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That looks beautiful, Guy!
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Hello Guy:
Your workmanship is outstanding! The interior is clean and neat and looks the business. I can't wait for WNW to release theirs in 1/32nd. Your guns and engine are top notch, breakage notwithstanding. I saw a video on you tube with a crew getting in the airplane and taking off, I can't for the life of me find it again. It is certainly a large airplane. I am looking forward to seeing you progress through this build. You are certainly making good progress so far. A testimony to your workmanship and the precise molding by Gaspatch.
Best
Mark
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Thanks ;)
Yes, the 1/32 Salmson will certainly have a great deal of presence 8) It's not a subject I would have originally asked for, but having got into it, it's a very interesting model and I'm really looking forward to painting the camouflage colours :)
Guy
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You are making excellent progress on a remarkable model, the instrument panel and propeller are brilliant, your painting skills are superb, looking forward for the next set of progress photos.
Des.
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Spectacular progress, Guy! Mine went in the post this morning, so it should be here soon. I'll have to start it as soon as it arrives.
Cheers,
Bud
We just got home from the UK, the Salmson is the WNW of 1/48, you'll really like it Bud ( as any of you in 1/48)
Amigo 3
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Fantastic build Guy,
so many sharp details together with your stunning paintjob. I really like the painted wood grain. Thanks for sharing your pics.
Kind regards,
ro
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Sharp, clean, immaculate. Modelling at its top class! Delight to behold!
I can't say it any better!!
RAGIII
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Hi Guy,
Your interior is magic. All these marvellous details painted with such craftmanship. Assembled this will be one of the nicest cockpits I have ever seen. Amazing!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Guy,
Outstanding progress to date my friend. Very impressive detailed interior. She truly does look like a mini WNW kit. Keep up the excellent works.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Incredibly "clean" Guy, and a fine testament to your skills. Nicely done and I'll be following you on this one.
Cheers,
Lance
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Very high you raise the bar !
I'll have to practice a lot to try to jump over it :D
Jacek
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Beautiful work on what looks to be an amazing first release from Gaspatch.
Steve
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Great work on the wood effects and instrument panel, Guy. Your build
is coming along beautifully.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Excellent work on the cockpit. The quality of the finish is superb.
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Thank you again ;)
Just a quick one before I put the two halves together. I think it's going to be a shame that, once finished, they'll be very little to view - the pilot's seat sits under the top wing..
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Gaspatch%20Salmson/IMG_0433.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Gaspatch%20Salmson/IMG_0433.jpg.html)
Guy
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Breathtaking Guy. Very very beautiful and proving once again your magnificent skills!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Guy, are you sure that this is not an advance kit from WNW?! ;) Your cockpit work is truly exceptional, and looks superb for 1/32 scale, let alone 1/48! Very well done. ;D Can't wait to see this one come the rest of the way together under your skilled hands!
Regards,
Bob
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Guy,
You are doing an OUSTANDING Job on a kit that is way in Advance of anything done in it's scale before! Taking Great to UNBELIEVABLE!!
RAGIII
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Hi,
Last interior shots I promise! :D
Once again, the fit of everything is perfect, everything just falls into place ;)
Although, I spent ages making the tubular frame at the rear holding the spare ammo magazines using Albion alloys tubing (as I broke the kit part :P) and once the top decking goes on, it can't be seen! ???
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Gaspatch%20Salmson/image-2.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Gaspatch%20Salmson/image-2.jpg.html)
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Gaspatch%20Salmson/image-3.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Gaspatch%20Salmson/image-3.jpg.html)
Wings up next! :D
Guy
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Hi Guy, marvellous! I think Gaspatch made a wonderful kit, but of course you did the rest and what a clean build it is. It is going to be a real masterpiece.
Kind regards
Patrick
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Very appealing. Immaculate build, Gisbod.
And although I will not be building this one (the scale is just wrong for me) I may be tempted to get and build one, which is 1.5 times bigger. ;)
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:)Great workshop for my Salmson in Polish painting.
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Absolutely stunning modelling job. All this, including the photography, looks near to perfection. It's only a pity that so much of that beautiful interior will be hidden from the viewer in the end...
Congrats to gaspatch on such a model.
Stefan
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Outstanding work on the cockpit, Guy! You're making a silk purse out of the finest silk. Costas is a genius. The engineering of this kit is brilliant. I especially love the cabane structure. Should make wing alignment a breeze. Can't wait to start on mine.
Cheers,
Bud
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Brilliant, busy looking cockpit, Guy.
Your wood painting looks effective as well.
Regards
Dave
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Stunning build. The interior of the model it's awesome... from the details to the wood effect, very nice indeed.
Cheers
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A gorgeous looking interior guy, your painting is superb, and the kit so far looks spectacular.
Des.
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The interior looks wonderful.
Adam.
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Hello Guy:
I echo the sentiments of the others. Outstanding work on the interior. The fit is perfect, very impressive. Too bad, as you say, that it won't be seen. Good thing you are taking lots of photo's. In the video I saw of the USAS one, the pilot climbed up on the forward undercarriage, then slid into the cockpit. Really a neat video. If I find it, I will book mark it.
Looking forward to seeing how the rest of this goes together. I hope Gaspatch sells a lot of them, it would be neat to see more 1/48 exotic WW1 a/c.
Best
Mark
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Thank you all for the support ;)
Lower wings going on. The attachment point for the wing joint to the fuselage is minimal - it just butts against it. However, they do supply this very clever jig to allow the wings to be correctly fitted, which is really helpful:
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Gaspatch%20Salmson/image-5.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Gaspatch%20Salmson/image-5.jpg.html)
I'm also putting some wire attachments to the ailerons - I forgot to do this for the Albatros, and they were forever getting knocked off! I like the fact that you can adjust the positions at a later date..
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Gaspatch%20Salmson/image-4.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Gaspatch%20Salmson/image-4.jpg.html)
Not a million miles off priming now ;)
Guy
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I'm slightly concerned about the strength of the lower wings - I can see them breaking - but I'll just have to be careful!
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I'm slightly concerned about the strength of the lower wings - I can see them breaking - but I'll just have to be careful!
Too late to pin them, I reckon?
Cheers,
Bud
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Too late to pin them, I reckon?
Maybe "toenail" some pins? might be better than waiting for the wings to fall off ...
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Your build is not only Outstanding but FAST! That is a very clever and thoughtful Jig assembly provided by Gaspatch!
RAGIII
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Too late to pin them, I reckon?
Maybe "toenail" some pins? might be better than waiting for the wings to fall off ...
Yes, I think in hindsight I would have pinned them, I did consider it, but thought it may give me a problem with a perfect fit as the wings angle up from the fuselage.
What's 'toenailing'? ???
The one thing I'm finding slightly tricky, is how thin and breakable all the parts are, which is really a compliment to the kit, as it's all nicely rendered to scale ;) the tail feathers connection to the fuselage is particularly fragile. I'll definitely be leaving them off until painted.
The kit supplies thin struts for the tail section, but says they can be replaced by double rigging lines. Does anyone know if this means the aircraft had rigging and/or struts or was just rigged?
Thanks
Guy
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Your build is not only Outstanding but FAST! That is a very clever and thoughtful Jig assembly provided by Gaspatch!
RAGIII
Hi Rick,
Yes, I'm finding it a lot quicker than a Wingnuts kit. But I suspect it may slow down now as the painting and rigging etc will be just as time consuming.
G
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The kit supplies thin struts for the tail section, but says they can be replaced by double rigging lines. Does anyone know if this means the aircraft had rigging and/or struts or was just rigged?
I believe the upper hstab "struts" were in fact streamlined double cables, just like those on the wings (paired cables with a 1" strip of wood in between them, taped at intervals)
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Ah,
Thanks Bo ;)
But I think I'll leave them now - I've had another look, and it all seems fairly secure, so fingers crossed!
The kit supplies thin struts for the tail section, but says they can be replaced by double rigging lines. Does anyone know if this means the aircraft had rigging and/or struts or was just rigged?
I believe the upper hstab "struts" were in fact streamlined double cables, just like those on the wings (paired cables with a 1" strip of wood in between them, taped at intervals)
Thanks again ;)
Yes, I noticed on the period photos how incredibly wide the flying wires are on the wings - that's going to be hard to replicate!
Guy
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Maybe the lower rear "struts" under the tailplane were also in fact double cables? I noticed WNW left them off of the test shot model, which I suppose means it is optional rigging.
If you do an image search on Salmson 2A2 you'll find an interesting Flickr album of Japanese Otsu drawings, might discover some useful tidbits...
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Hi
In reality was double wires.
Costas
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Thanks Bo & Costas ;)
Finally got a coat of primer on - I like this bit ;D
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Gaspatch%20Salmson/image-6.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Gaspatch%20Salmson/image-6.jpg.html)
Thinking about camouflage colours now..
Guy
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Now that gives us a whole new outlook on the model, looking good Guy.
Des.
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Good progress, Guy. You are doing a great job with the Salmson. It is quite an
amazing kit, especially in 1/48 scale.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Hi Guy,
this is great progress on your build. After priming all the nice details can be seen, such a clean build. Very well done. Looking forward to your next steps.
greetings ro
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Looking terrific! I am anxious to see French 5 color camo appear magically on the next update ;D
RAGIII
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Morning,
Finally got the camo on! I've done my best to estimate the colours - don't know if they're completely right, but I really enjoyed
this bit :)
Next stage is gloss coat then decals, but I've ordered some 'Miracle Masks' for the roundels & numbers - nothing wrong with the decals - I just wanted to have a go with the masks - maybe to give them a little shading etc - but it may be a couple of weeks before they're here which will stall the build a bit I guess ???
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Gaspatch%20Salmson/c345bfd8-c4bd-442e-afe1-97c116d27cf2.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Gaspatch%20Salmson/c345bfd8-c4bd-442e-afe1-97c116d27cf2.jpg.html)
Just given a nod to rib shading under wing..
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Gaspatch%20Salmson/image-1-1.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Gaspatch%20Salmson/image-1-1.jpg.html)
Cheers
Guy
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Looking great! I enjoy checking your updates and more and more want the Japanise version for christmas :)
Best regards,
Sasho
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Wow!! Great update. Your estimations on colours look perfect to me.
Steve
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Beautiful work on the 5 color scheme! Your color choices are certainly as close as anyone can get, IMHO,
RAGIII
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Lovely work Guy! It looks very impressive.
Best wishes
Nigel
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Guy,
Your Salmson is coming along outstandingly my friend. I' m quite impressed with your paintwork on her Five Color Camouflage. What paint did you use? In case your mask don't work out well here's an alternate decal set you may be interested in.
LINK:http://www.donsmodelworks.com/wdprods/images/wd48022.jpg
Keep up the great works!
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Thank you!
Guy,
Your Salmson is coming along outstandingly my friend. I' m quite impressed with your paintwork on her Five Color Camouflage. What paint did you use? In case your mask don't work out well here's an alternate decal set you may be interested in.
LINK:http://www.donsmodelworks.com/wdprods/images/wd48022.jpg
Thanks Gregory, but I've decided to go ahead with the kit decals after all - they look lovely and I don't want to wait for the masks which may end up being no better anyway..
The paints are just plucked from my Vallejo Air stash..
Cheers,
Guy
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Beautiful work with your painting Guy, it certainly has changed the appearance of this aeroplane, it looks great.
Des.
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Superb paint work, Guy! Quite an amazing build in a short time.
Beautifully done, my friend!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Yes indeedy, that looks terrific, Guy. I am impressed too with how quickly you produced this.
Some food for thought -- the WNW color notes mention that the metal areas were finished with different dopes than the fabric. I guess the fabric was ever so slightly pearlescent do to the addition of aluminum particles. Certainly you don't want to go thst far, but maybe some slight differentiation is in order?
Cheers
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The camo looks fantastic, Guy, and the colors look spot on. Brilliant build in such a short time. Can't wait to see her finished.
Cheers,
Bud
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Thanks again ;)
Bo - yes, I thought about the pearlescent effect, but I just thought it wouldn't really work in this scale - the period pictures don't show it, so it must have been a subtle effect.. I will try and do something with the panels.
Another update. Decals on but I had a bit of a hiccup with the fuselage - tiny bit of silvering apparent on them which I tried to touch up but I just made it worse. Ended up removing them and ordering some more from Costa!
The decals themselves are excellent - my fault entirely :P
But here's what's left so far anyway... (the wing stripes are masked and sprayed, but tbh the decals are so good - I wished I'd just used theirs now :-\ )
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Gaspatch%20Salmson/image-7.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Gaspatch%20Salmson/image-7.jpg.html)
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Gaspatch%20Salmson/image-8.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Gaspatch%20Salmson/image-8.jpg.html)
Cheers
Guy
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first i must congratulate you on a fantastic job, it looks as though you will be the first in the world to complete this kit. i decided after looking thru your build that i must get this kit asap. so yesterday i ordered the mid version from costas. cant wait to get it in me grubby little hands.
on the aluminum particle effect i use a method for my metallic finishes(see link below) that leaves metallic particles in the brush. i wiped the excess on a paper towel to the point where you couldnt really see anything left on the paper. once you get to that point you lightly dry brush the fabric areas with this brush. from a distance you cant notice it. but if you hold it in the light and look close you cant see some shiny particles here and there. this is what i imagine the real thing must look like.
http://essmc.org.au/Natural_Metal_Finish.html
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so yesterday i ordered the mid version from costas. cant wait to get it in me grubby little hands.
I don't think you'll be disappointed, it's obvious a lot of time and effort has gone into producing this.
Guy
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The decals look fantastic Guy, this is shaping up to be a real beauty, Costas has certainly done a great job producing this kit.
Des.
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Wonderful job Guy, she's looking great.
Andrew
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Beautiful decaling and great work on masking the stripes! I had a VAc kit that had these markings that made the stripes rather crude because apparently they weren't always perfect. As a matter of fact IIRC the Numbers were a little rough also. I think your stripes are awesome and fit right in!!
RAGIII
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that's really impressive! wonderful. :D
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Truly excellent paint and decal work, Guy! Did you use a pin wash on the louvers or are they just that beautifully molded? They look fantastic.
Cheers,
Bud
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Looking mighty fine Guy. The decals look painted on like the stripes. Great job.
Best
Mark
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Thanks again ;)
Truly excellent paint and decal work, Guy! Did you use a pin wash on the louvers or are they just that beautifully molded? They look fantastic.
Cheers,
Bud
Thanks Bud,
The louvers do have a pin wash, but they're beautifully moulded as well ;)
Guy
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Lovely work on the decals, Guy. The decals themselves look excellent.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Excellent work!!
Steve
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Wonderful painting Guy. Costas did indeed a great job, but you made a beatifull plane out of it.
Kind regards
Patrick
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Superb work Guy... it's awesome!
Cheers