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Title: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Des on October 21, 2013, 07:11:31 PM
I have decided to build this model next, the Omega Models 1:32 scale Mosca-Bistritski MB bis Russian fighter of WW1. It is an all resin kit and a limited series, so it could prove interesting. I only ordered the kit tonight (Monday) from Hannants in the UK but it is coming airmail so hopefully I will have it early next week. Naturally, there will be a full build log posted on my website as well as here.

Des.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-borfT0BFfNI/UmTuxmHDc5I/AAAAAAAAJmU/vA2WsPcnPCg/s1200/Mosca.jpg)
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Nigel Jackson on October 21, 2013, 07:19:38 PM
Good luck with it Des

I'm looking forward to the build log.

I've finally received some replacement parts from Eduard - for things somehow damaged in the box - so in the near future I can crack on with my EV.

Best wishes
Nigel
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: lcarroll on October 21, 2013, 09:56:21 PM
   Certainly a rare subject Des. Where do you go for reference material? Looking forward to following another winner!
Cheers, (& Happy Building!) :)
Lance
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Ernie on October 21, 2013, 10:00:14 PM
That looks like an interesting project, Des.  Your build of a resin model
will be a great learning tool for myself.  I am looking forward to following
your progress. :)

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: coyotemagic on October 22, 2013, 03:02:17 AM
What a coincidence, Des!  I just ordered the 1/48 version of this very same kit from the very same Hannants!  I felt compelled after reading Osprey's Russian Aces of WWI.  I'll be watching this one very closely to pick up any tips I can get.  This will fit in very nicely with your growing collection of pioneering aircraft.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Des on October 22, 2013, 07:31:46 AM
Thanks very much for the votes of confidence, hope I can live up to it.

Lance - reference material is pretty sparse (as scarce as hens teeth) interior detail is the biggest issue at the moment but I have only just started my search, if information is not available I will just wing it.

Bub - excellent news that you purchased the same kit in 1:48 scale, maybe you could build yours first and that will allow me to follow you  :) ;)

Received shipping notoce from Hannants last night so hopefully the model will be sitting in the belly of a big silver bird heading my way.

Des.
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: GAJouette on October 22, 2013, 10:07:06 AM
  Des,
My old friend I certainly will be following this latest project with the greatest of interest. I have no doubt it will be a real stunner.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Des on November 04, 2013, 08:28:28 AM
Ordered this kit on the 21/10/13, received shipping notice (airmail, small parcel) on the 22/10/13, and here it is the 04/11/13 and I am still waiting for it to arrive, ah well, it will get here eventually, I suppose, I hope....

Des.
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: IFF1418 on November 04, 2013, 10:22:31 PM
Hello Des,

It's hard to wait when one wants to start it, doesn't it Des. I thing everyone is waiting too, to see you create another beauty. Good luck!

Kind regards
Patrick
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: IvotB on November 05, 2013, 01:38:26 AM
Well, between New Zealand and the Netherlands the average shipping time is over 4 weeks. Don't know what takes up most time. WNW ships almost between 24 and 48 hours and then the waiting starts. I expect that also dutch customs take their time to calculate VAT and other niceties raising the cost of a WNW kit. On the other hand Hannants WNW prices do not encourage me to order WNW kits in the UK.
But for transit times: take a few more weeks.  ::)

But on to the subject: can't wait to see what it's worth. I have some Omega resin kits. But all in 1:72 and most of the time they are pretty basic. I am confident however that you will build it into a beautiful model. It may require some scratch building ;)

regards,
Ivo
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Bluesfan on November 05, 2013, 09:55:50 AM
I guess this was a Morane G or H clone?

Anyway, I just wanted to express appreciation of the diversity of your build logs, Des - you clearly make an effort to cover every genre (injected, resin, scratch etc.) as well as every manufacturer, which means there are bags of useful hints and tips to be had, even if you haven't made the specific kit we might be tackling.

Cheers,
Mark
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Des on November 05, 2013, 06:40:18 PM
Thanks guys for your words of support.

The kit arrived today, the first photo was for a bit of fun just to show the size comparison between a Wingnuts box and the Omega box  ???

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-aDGC9ZqHk6A/UniHH8lHqRI/AAAAAAAAJwo/Al2Jba9Rork/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%25201.jpg)

Next photos show the box contents, the resin parts were sealed in separate pouches which offer good protection. The decals and the PE set were in another plastic bag, the instructions were packed at the bottom of the box.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-0rxZikpuc-M/UniHhZO4SxI/AAAAAAAAJyI/AOXCI36ky3c/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%25203.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1qnywaYYER0/UniHNIbqyDI/AAAAAAAAJxA/UkEasCRsDpI/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%25204.jpg)

The instructions are what I would call very basic, just one sheet of paper with reasonably clear drawings, the reverse side shows the parts list and decals plus the first stage of construction using the PE set.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-14Ijc6Dui5Q/UniHMyg700I/AAAAAAAAJw4/1U6_OvPA8g4/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%25206.jpg)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-u-2f4o_wQI8/UniHM4ZwRkI/AAAAAAAAJw8/f_L-vB5K8OA/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%25205.jpg)

The PE set is quite good and done on very thin brass, the parts are well detailed and are very easy to remove from the fret.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-diT6KSShRYQ/UniHOeTXxxI/AAAAAAAAJxY/7VHGsyswP4o/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%25208.jpg)

As with most resin kits there is a lot of flash but this is very thin and easily removed. The wing ribs are well detailed but the wings are extremely thin, so much so that the trailing edges are wavy. All the parts cleaned up well and only took about an hour, the leading edge of the wings took a bit of sanding. The engine is fairly basic and lacks any fine detail, the intake tubes are supplied but my kit only has six, it's a nine cylinder engine. The rudder bar and control column are supplied as PE, I will be replacing these with scratch built items, the seat is also way too small so I will scratch something better.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ZhZTvbJtKd8/UniHOfEAR2I/AAAAAAAAJxU/0yjf57_IPLc/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%25209.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-uRuNMaYInYI/UniHWmjoa6I/AAAAAAAAJxo/joX_LGOzS-k/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%252010.jpg)

The decals are pretty poor, they come with a warning stating that they are not made by standard technology, the entire sheet is the carrier film so decals have to be cut individually. They also say that some colours are printed in a dot format, the warnings are quite lengthy and comprehensive.

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-uX6VCpsCyuo/UniHOXf6L3I/AAAAAAAAJxQ/bWzgv0jL7Eg/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%25207.jpg)

So, that's it, I didn't get a lot for my £75 plus £7.50 post ($143.00AUD), hopefully it will build up to be a nice model, this will be my second resin kit.

Des.

Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: uncletony on November 05, 2013, 10:48:22 PM
Nice kit report, Des. Looking forward to watching this one unfold...
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Ernie on November 06, 2013, 12:00:09 AM
I'm happy the model has made it to you, Des.  It looks really interesting
and I look forward to you making it into one of your usual show stoppers.


Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Des on November 06, 2013, 07:34:56 AM
The build has commenced. I started with the cockpit frame, this is supplied as PE, it folds very easy but does not mate up properly at some of the corners. Included with the PE frame are the bracing wires and the throttle quadrant. I decided to make it look more substantial so I added 1.0mm square styrene strips to each of the internal corners of the frame, these will be painted a wood colour.

Des.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-wdsrebOG1zs/UniHWrLso1I/AAAAAAAAJx0/Pbh1gFp9szY/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%252011.jpg)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-sBODa3NqSZg/UniHWtoXCYI/AAAAAAAAJxs/de-Juk_5etQ/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%252012.jpg)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-JJgg1TQJATY/UniHXSnMeuI/AAAAAAAAJx8/Yd7vHQ1HfT8/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%252013.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-UhVlFif5vG4/UniHXvz8fZI/AAAAAAAAJyA/W75ZwX7ixJk/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%252014.jpg)
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: mc65 on November 06, 2013, 09:53:25 AM
damn, des!
I now understand the meaning of the words "hero member" under your nick... it takes a lot of courage to undertake the construction of a model like this! ;D
my respects ... ;)
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: GAJouette on November 06, 2013, 10:46:37 AM
  Des,
 The starving cow look is one of the reason I'm not really big on PE . Your additions surely make for a much more life like appearence. I'm very much looking forward to following this latest project my old friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: IvotB on November 06, 2013, 07:30:13 PM
Shipping was fast  ;)

Nice start and interesting kit and model. Perhaps there is a replacement for the engine. Looks like a standard 9 cylinder rotation engine. I don't know much about this plane if it was a le Rhone or Oberursel, but I remember seeing some excellent 9 cylinder engines here.

regards,
Ivo
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Des on November 06, 2013, 08:50:51 PM
The seat supplied with the kit is way too small, so I repaired a damaged wicker seat I had in my spares box, it fits into the frame nicely.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-__9GFR0jhJo/UnlppQtcxnI/AAAAAAAAJy0/Xl0DAhoN0KQ/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%252015.jpg)

The kit suppled PE for the rudder bar and the control column, I discarded these and scratched some new items, I also made an instrument and fitted it to the frame.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-j_r-l2yNHCo/Unlpq9tOPGI/AAAAAAAAJzI/IbL5ApX6NBw/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%252020.jpg)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ya9UFCtBVC0/UnlpqtoF7tI/AAAAAAAAJzE/arMp7uG-o04/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%252018.jpg)

I have fixed the cockpit frame to the right side of the fuselage, it is held in place with CA. The seat belt is PE which came with the kit, I also added control cables to the rudder bar, I used 0.12mm mono.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-MgtI6cfSsL0/Unmvn79VBvI/AAAAAAAAJzw/mbQNOn1nXl4/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%252021.jpg)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-3YOjjwil6hw/Unm05g1MVLI/AAAAAAAAJ0c/dHvRa3NZMOM/s720/MB%2520bis%2520x%252024.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-bd8ctv_4d6U/Unm05mDH-6I/AAAAAAAAJ0U/F_pYP6p99po/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%252026.jpg)
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Des on November 06, 2013, 09:24:15 PM
The fuselage for this model comes in five pieces, two sides, the bottom and a two piece top. The two sides are not bad, they have raised fuselage frame lines, the top rear section also has the raised frame lines but they don't match with the sides, so they will be sanded off, it is also about 5mm short in length compared with the fuselage sides. The front top section is not too bad. Sad news is the bottom is totally useless and unusable, it is paper thin along the length on one side and 3.5mm thick on the other side, not worth the effort to try and fix it so I made a new bottom from styrene sheet.

Des.
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: rhallinger on November 06, 2013, 09:33:35 PM
Looking good Des!  ;D  Nice work  I really like the Spartan interior you have represented here.

Regards,

Bob
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Nigel Jackson on November 06, 2013, 10:37:48 PM
It's already looking really good Des and I'll follow this with interest.

Given the price you had to pay for the model, you'd have hoped that the supplied seat would have been a better representation, even though what you've done was always going to be infinitely better.

Best wishes
Nigel 
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: RAGIII on November 07, 2013, 01:25:01 AM
Brilliant Start Des! Your work as always looks beautiful!!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Des on November 07, 2013, 06:29:43 AM
Thanks guys for all your nice words, much appreciated.

I have buttoned her up, it went together fairly well with only small amounts of filler needed at the join lines, the cockpit frame fitted in well. As can be seen in one of the photos a section of the coaming was missing, I replaced this with some styrene then added the cockpit padding using 0.9mm electrical cable plastic tube.

Des.

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-GhrCkg09W9U/UnoFEQGMgBI/AAAAAAAAJ08/xT_NzjCb3RI/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%252027.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5FpCvCfY7es/UnoFES0T2rI/AAAAAAAAJ1E/l1iTbQc4a-I/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%252028.jpg)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/--9gW8JymfaQ/UnoFEcl9PhI/AAAAAAAAJ1A/m6nVE0wpVgY/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%252030.jpg)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-TX_0Zscskn0/UnoFQxsbQPI/AAAAAAAAJ1M/vNqJpB50EhI/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%252029.jpg)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-BEy3aeYErC4/UnobnuS5QLI/AAAAAAAAJ2I/B3Gtff5BWuM/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%252032.jpg)
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: mc65 on November 07, 2013, 11:02:50 AM
really good!

the tip about the cockpit padding it's rather brilliant, I'll give a try!

wich kind of glue you use for put together the fuselage? I suppose you need some time to adjust the parts aligned....
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: GAJouette on November 07, 2013, 11:10:14 AM
  Des,
Your moving right along at a fast pace my old friend. This little gem must be a nice change for you after recently completing your latest scratch built project. It's a shame about that short molding on her fuselage though,but luckily it's nothing that can't be easily repaired. I guess this is one of those things you run into with short run resin kits.At least their wasn't a mulitude of pin holes to contend with. I've a resin ship kit in the stash that has what appears to have suffered muliple blast from a 1/35 scale 12 Gauge shotgun. Really poor quality control! Keep up the outstand progress and I'm looking forward to the next installment.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette

 
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on November 07, 2013, 04:09:04 PM
i guess this is the result of mass production of resin kits. i know from casting that if you want a nice result you have to take your time and maybe one out of 4 casts turns out a bit wonky. at home i throw it away, but i suppose a company has multiple molds being poured and when they remove the casting they throw it in a box instead of having the luxury of time to inspect for imperfections.plus every piece that is unuseable is a waste of resin which aint cheap. i have resin kits from many companies, i think karaya is the best as far as quality,attention to mold quality, fit, ease of assembly etc etc etc. omega is o.k. more of a middle of the road resin company in quality, not bad but not great ,similar to copper state was. des i'm sure you will make it look like wnw released the mosca.
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Gisbod on November 07, 2013, 04:34:52 PM
Hello Des,

As usual you're doing a top job!

Somehow you're making a silk purse out of a pigs ear.. You must have magic fairy dust in your tools box!

The cost seems incredible when you see what you get, but I guess that's the price you pay for getting a non mainstream kit - it highlights the value for money you get when you buy an 'expensive' Wingnuts model.

Keep up the magic  ;)

Guy

Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Jacek on November 07, 2013, 05:46:43 PM
The cockpit looks very good. I see lot of work to still you need to insert in this set.
Good luck  :D
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Des on November 07, 2013, 06:45:30 PM
Even with all of it's faults I am still having fun building this kit, I like a challenge and this certainly is one, hey, I built the Battle Axe Fokker E.III so how hard can this one be  :) :)

Des.
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Ernie on November 07, 2013, 09:03:15 PM
You are moving right along, Des.  Dandy job!  The styrene strips on the cockpit framing
works very well.  I think this kit would be a challenge, but you make it look so easy.
I'm enjoying following your build.

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: IFF1418 on November 08, 2013, 12:06:52 AM
Hello Des,

Once again a wonderful build. The interior is so nice and clean. You are up to another magnificent beauty.

Kind regards
Patrick
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Zabu on November 08, 2013, 05:01:30 AM
Just catching up.

Looking good... as always from such a skilled modeler like you.

I enjoy the wood tone in the interior very much. There's no easy way in those Omega models Kit.

Cheers
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Des on November 10, 2013, 05:45:54 PM
I discarded the kit supplied PE upper rigging mast and made my own from brass tube, it ended up being a lot stronger and more to scale, I still need to finish off the top of the mast to take the rigging wires. I also added the frame on the side of the fuselage for the access panel, this was made from very thin styrene sheet. The engine cowl fitted quite well needing only a small amount of filler and sanding, the engine still fits quite easily.

Des.

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ZzIuBmFHRog/Un7tr1-S6OI/AAAAAAAAJ7c/BE3Fcx0ruqc/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%252037.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-xPpmSOD-5pQ/Un7trP4MJLI/AAAAAAAAJ7I/_IQul2imH5g/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%252033.jpg)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-nEWJqbMa1Gw/Un7trP6-PPI/AAAAAAAAJ7M/fvNKWSGGCZI/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%252035.jpg)
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: IFF1418 on November 10, 2013, 07:01:25 PM
Hello Des,

The rigging mast looks absolutely superb. Its so nicely done and really magnificent. What a craftmanship!

Kind regards
Patrick
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Ernie on November 10, 2013, 07:57:34 PM
Good idea, replacing the rigging mast with brass, Des.  Did you solder the pieces
together, of use CA?  Brilliant work!

Cheers,
Ernie :)

Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Des on November 10, 2013, 08:51:40 PM
Because the brass tube was drilled and the mating parts were a nice slide fit CA holds them together very well. Where the mast fits into the fuselage I made it a tight fit, it slides into the fuselage about 3mm, with CA it becomes a very rigid assembly.

Des.
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Siskin on November 11, 2013, 02:16:48 AM
It's great! Great guide, how to build Mosca in 48th scale.
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: PrzemoL on November 12, 2013, 07:17:37 PM
Dear me, it is yet one more beauty coming from Des Aircraft Manufacturing Company! Very, very fine progress!
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Des on November 13, 2013, 07:59:24 AM
I'm afraid that this kit is going to fight me all the way, nothing is the correct size, nothing fits, half the kit so far has been binned and new parts made, this is a pigs ear that will remain a pigs ear, no silk purse from this kit. This may end up being the first kit in my life that I will bin, it is really really bad..... :-\ :-\

Just a small update. The front part of the plane has been painted with Humbrol No.56 Aluminium, this is just a guess as the instructions give no colour reference. The machine gun is fitted, it is positioned to fire over the arc of the propeller, the wood access panel has been added and the tail plane is also fitted, the rudder is only sitting loose for the photo. The wheels are from John vojtech at Scale Spokes, yet to be painted. I will battle on for a few more days before deciding what to do with this horror of a kit (and expensive).

Des.

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-b_A_PrP-dkE/UoKiUeuQYmI/AAAAAAAAJ-w/gaHYMQroo60/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%252052.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-TA3bZbHp9e4/UoKiUS03x3I/AAAAAAAAJ-o/kq6jbJzuQDw/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%252054.jpg)
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Ernie on November 13, 2013, 08:50:15 AM
Gee I don't know Des.  You may be having a terrible time but to my
uneducated eye it looks really good.  I didn't realise that the Omega kits were
so tough. Thank goodness you do have the skills to win the battle.
 Whether it is worth it is up to you.  Interesting situation.

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: uncletony on November 13, 2013, 01:59:30 PM
I vote BATTLE ON.
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: IFF1418 on November 13, 2013, 05:51:22 PM
Like Bo I would advise to continue Des. You made a wonderful progress up to now, and with your skills I think you wil succeed in finishing it. Bin the box but keep the plane. I'm really very sorry for you. Much courage on this one and good luck.

Kind regards
Patrick
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: IvotB on November 13, 2013, 07:27:27 PM
It's like my experience with Omega kits. But they cover models of planes that nobody else does. Seeing what you have already achieved with the interior and the fuselage I am convinced that you are going forward in producing an oustanding model. As I said before: you will need your scratch building skills for improvement or replacement of parts and in the end you might wonder what is still left from the original kit. My guess would be about 70% will be yours and 30% theirs. Not exactly what you should expect from a kit with this price.

I have similar experiences in building wooden kits for model traditional fishing craft. I remember buying a kit for a dutch Botter from a Spanish firm. In the end I just used the keel and the main girders and the rest was replaced by other parts. There is still a large number of Botters around in the Netherlands and a lot of documentation, so I made a number of walkarounds and found the differences which were substantial.

regards,
Ivo
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Adam on November 13, 2013, 07:49:18 PM
Don't give up, please.  ;D

Adam.
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Jacek on November 13, 2013, 10:59:24 PM
Already looks beautiful, too bad that him does not end  :'(
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: lcarroll on November 14, 2013, 04:34:07 AM
Des,
   Easy for me to say however this demon is no match for your modelling skills. Treat it as essentially a Scratch Built Project and you'll produce another stellar result. As an old flying Buddy of mine used to say, "just take raw courage into your heart and keep the throttle firmly in your 12 o'clock"!
   Looking forward to watching as you wrestle this beast to the ground.
Cheers,
Lance ;)
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Gisbod on November 14, 2013, 05:51:03 AM

It would be a shame to waste all that lovely work so far Des, looks good from the photo's.. But I kinda agree - if you're not enjoying it..

It's meant to be fun after all..  :P

Guy
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Des on November 14, 2013, 06:32:36 AM
Thanks guys for all your supportive words, I will battle on with this nightmare kit and see if I can turn something out that will ressemble a Mosca MB Bis.

Des.
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Zabu on November 14, 2013, 08:09:19 AM
Thanks guys for all your supportive words, I will battle on with this nightmare kit and see if I can turn something out that will ressemble a Mosca MB Bis.

Des.

That's the spirit. Battle on!

Cheers
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: IvotB on November 14, 2013, 08:53:00 AM
Yesss! [thumbs up]

regards,
Ivo
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: GAJouette on November 14, 2013, 11:31:25 AM
  Des,
To quote an old Texas saying "Ain't No Step for a Stepper" . In other word nothing you can't over come my old friend. " Keep Calm and Carry On".
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on November 14, 2013, 02:19:47 PM
i say if it is really not fun then put it aside and if you want you can come back to it some day. unless you feel you are enjoying it a bit albeit the frustration in the fit problems. i have a couple omega kits. they are similar in quality to a copper state kit or a hr models kit. so this means it is mostly a scratchbuild. only some of the parts are useable, usually the main parts, everything small or requireing detail must be modified or scratch built. to be honest on a couple of my csm kits there isnt enuff useable to even warrant the purchase of the kit. the only thing good is some of the photo etch. this is like my csm lohner. just flat not worth the effort. my csm aeg civ is almost as bad one half the top wing is good the other is double thickness "as in" the mold was misaligned so too much resin overbulged the thing giving me an unuseable part. then you have hr models who gives you eduard seats, guns, and other detail parts poorly cast in misaligned molds. fortunately there are some companies like spin and planet models which are a notch up and the cream of the crop karaya who makes resin kits that are the quality of a nice injected kit. this is why i thought maybe if i decided to start some resin production i would do just the main parts, fuselage,wings ,tail feathers etc. then charge a fair price and let guys do what they are already doin ,source am parts or spare bin parts for the rest.what can you do? youve got 3 choices.trash it,sideline it or build it.
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Des on November 15, 2013, 07:03:33 PM
Spending a large sum of money (equal to two WnW kits) and ending up with a heap of rubbish is disappointing, but never say die is the motto.

This is a trial fit of the wings, no glue, just sitting in position. I have also decided to use the white-ish tyres on the wheels. I utilized the kit supplied engine, it is very basic and very light on detail but it scrubbed up okay, a lick of paint made it look better. The propeller is the kit prop, I will be using a laminated wood propeller from Doug Craner.

Des.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ndZsJnKApgw/UoXhEgSK6iI/AAAAAAAAKHQ/bXxYtPdRmzk/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%252076.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-BLpJZEaSlyw/UoXhEscPB7I/AAAAAAAAKHM/gRH5oJkaDwM/s800/Mb%2520bis%2520x%252072.jpg)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-fQs4REt6SSI/UoXhDe7PoqI/AAAAAAAAKG4/myKbNdnCqzs/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%252073.jpg)
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Des on November 15, 2013, 08:04:35 PM
Well done Justin, your number of useable parts are growing slowly, it appears that my two wings are keepers, they seem to fit okay but boy, talk about thin. This is one of those kits where all I want to do is to get it finished and move on to a decent kit.

Des.
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: rhallinger on November 16, 2013, 12:23:26 AM
She really looks grand, Des!  The wheels are a great addition.  ;D  You're doing a fine job here, but I'll bet the aggravation makes you really appreciate mainstream kits, huh?   ;)

Cheers,

Bob
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Ernie on November 16, 2013, 02:56:38 AM
After you worked your magic Des, it's looking very much like an aeroplane.
Your perseverance is admirable, my friend!  Despite all the aggravation and
turmoil, to me it is really a pleasing looking model, although I gladly leave
the building to you.

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: IFF1418 on November 16, 2013, 04:24:48 AM
Hello Des,

I hope you are pleased you didn't give up. I certainly am. I think you could even make a beautiful plane out of a shoe-box. The plane is looking great and I look forward to see your next pictures.

Kind regards
Patrick
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: coyotemagic on November 16, 2013, 08:15:08 AM
Man, Des!  How did I miss all your progress?  You've done a remarkable job on this really crude kit.  I think Patrick summed it up perfectly.  You can take anything and turn it into a world class model.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: mc65 on November 17, 2013, 07:53:23 AM
fine job, des!
don't give up, it'growing lovely!!http://
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: pepperman42 on November 18, 2013, 12:07:53 AM
Just catching up - hmm maybe kits arent your thing - ever considered scratchbuilding?.......Great work and your skills show thru on a poorer kit.

Steve
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Des on November 19, 2013, 06:48:12 AM
Thanks guys for all your words of encouragement.

I have painted the wings and they are now ready for decals. The decals in the photo are for show only, these are cut from the kit decal sheet which I will not be using, they are very poor quality so I have made my own and will be using them. The decals on the rudder are my own home made variety. I have temporarily fitted wheels from my spares box to save any damage occuring to the spoke wheels while I am handling the model. The propeller is the kit proeller, again only there for photo purposes, it will be replaced with a Doug Craner wood propeller.

Des.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-o8mSu0ZwuOE/UonfkScTXBI/AAAAAAAAKbY/ncy_Rgq_1Gs/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%252090.jpg)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-FOZMWr5qrCw/Uonfjz2couI/AAAAAAAAKbQ/BECI02TzdQI/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%252089.jpg)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-8w4bBgxqOh4/UonfjHUHRiI/AAAAAAAAKa4/H0xXKvK-Xew/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%252085.jpg)
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: rhallinger on November 19, 2013, 06:53:40 AM
Looks like a flying Silk Purse to me, Des!  ;)  You've done very well with the beast.  ;D  Congratulations on persevering, and creating a beautiful model of an interesting early aircraft. 

Regards,

Bob
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Nigel Jackson on November 19, 2013, 07:07:13 AM
Blimey Des! I'm really pleased that you persevered and are taking us on another voyage of discovery. But what an odd looking thing the MB bis was. How could that back end work in aerodynamic terms?

Best wishes
Nigel
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Zabu on November 19, 2013, 01:48:19 PM
It's looking fantastic imho.

Your skills and persistence are showing once again thru what you achieved with such a hard model.

Cheers

 
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: IFF1418 on November 19, 2013, 06:19:05 PM
Hello Des,

What another great job you have done here. You really can make any kit to a wonderful plane. Really amazing. I'm so glad you didn't threw it away. Another great build for your collection knowing what you have been through.

Kind regards
Patrick
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: PrzemoL on November 19, 2013, 09:26:10 PM
Great to see a frog turned to a prince (or princess it is). Very fine progress, Des.
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: lcarroll on November 20, 2013, 12:39:45 AM
Knew you could do it. Lovely results!!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Adam on November 20, 2013, 09:42:24 PM
I admire the decals done by you.
The rest of the model also looks great.

Adam.
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Des on November 21, 2013, 10:23:06 AM
I am now calling this model finished, I completed the rigging today. I applied my home made decals as the kit decals were useless. I did have fun building this kit but I would not recommend it to anyone except those who like a challenge and like to do some scratch building. This is definitely not one of my better builds and one that I am not proud of, but I did the best I could with what was supplied.

Des.

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-LaKmy6f8Z38/Uo05-FOmj1I/AAAAAAAAKek/1pfvfbRgQZw/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%2520103.jpg)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-YHYB0RqmAhU/Uo051t3qrfI/AAAAAAAAKdk/qdaGeCv0mGI/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%252093.jpg)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-hhVHrUvuHiM/Uo051goWkaI/AAAAAAAAKdc/vQwhCY3gsB8/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%252094.jpg)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-gqKhX_ULdkA/Uo051ifCJBI/AAAAAAAAKdU/k7l0kj5d6fQ/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%252095.jpg)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-xT1kdzb4YzM/Uo053TfmZyI/AAAAAAAAKd4/SwmOwJzwfvo/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%252098.jpg)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-aWifAHO1DC8/Uo052tWEVLI/AAAAAAAAKdw/IoaN9n6VOW4/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%252096.jpg)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-qgouxePmHXU/Uo05-D6nwDI/AAAAAAAAKeo/ahlC1YXbbhw/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%2520104.jpg)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-uo3AKupwNIA/Uo1gkvZSmJI/AAAAAAAAKfM/dMnJP0fKBkI/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%2520105.jpg)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-GXF89TW3fLw/Uo1gki0cxMI/AAAAAAAAKfQ/mFp8oNMkInA/s800/MB%2520bis%2520x%2520106.jpg)

Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Ernie on November 21, 2013, 11:12:13 AM
Des, I don't know how you could not be proud of the model.  You have
done wonderfully with a less-than-ideal kit.  I think it is a terrific job!

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: coyotemagic on November 21, 2013, 12:09:18 PM
Are you kidding, Des?!  The final result is remarkable, especially considering what you started with.  You nailed the cdl color.  It is decidedly Russian.  The home made decals are brilliant.  The engine and cockpit detailing are your usual superb work.  All in all, I would be more proud of such excellent results from such a shabby kit, than I would excellent results from a WNW kit.  Congratulations on a job very well done.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: IanB on November 21, 2013, 01:28:19 PM
I'd put money on it being the best 1:32 MB bis out there, especially having seen what you had to start with!
Very nice job turning a pig's ear into a silk purse!

Ian
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: IFF1418 on November 21, 2013, 05:26:08 PM
You should absolutely be proud of this one Des. Starting from  -50% and taking it up to +100%, few could be doing that. It is really a very nice looking model. Many congratulations!

Kind regards
Patrick
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: IvotB on November 21, 2013, 06:37:33 PM
The result is excellent. It may well be the best MB from this kit ever made. You just showed again that you are an excellent modeller. I do like your scratch build projects very much, especially the Caudron and in this MB it shows too.

regards,
Ivo
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: stefanbuss on November 21, 2013, 07:14:45 PM
So you managed to finish that one. Well done. Maybe it's a good idea to work  on something from WNW once more, as a kind of reward?

Stefan
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: PrzemoL on November 21, 2013, 07:16:37 PM
Well, Des. It is different than a couple of your masterpiece scratch-built projects. But it is absolutely worthy to be proud of. So, please, be proud of it. It is a piece of very very fine modelling. I like it very much, every aspect of it.
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Zabu on November 22, 2013, 08:47:58 AM
It turned out great... you should be proud of it and of what you did to the model.

Probably many modelers that build this model or left it as it was... or they trashed it. Like IanB said above, i bet that it's the best 1/32 MB out there.

Imho the model looks great... you don't know how to do it for less. I wish i had half of your skills.

Congrats for it.

Cheers
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: RAGIII on November 24, 2013, 11:38:29 PM
des,
Just catching up on your build! You have done your usual Magnificent work even if you don't think so !! I wish I could get results like you from a WNW kit, let alone this very difficult, poorly cast resin !
RAGIII
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: gcn on November 24, 2013, 11:54:31 PM
You did an excellent job with the parts you were given but for the the amount of money they're charging for their products Omega need to have a look at themselves.
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Andi Little on November 25, 2013, 12:56:15 AM
I'll pretty much  go along with everything that's being said Des' - you are being far too hard on yourself. With what you were supplied I think you have performed some kind of magic trick [care to show me how it's done  ???].

Well done bloke ... applause from this corner of the World.
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Des on November 25, 2013, 06:28:38 AM
Thanks very much guys for your overly kind comments on my little monster of a kit. Sitting in amongst my other 1:32 scale WW1 aircraft models it looks rather small, but I have to admit that it does fit in. As a few of you have said, I didn't have much to start with, just mainly the basics to give the general shape of the aeroplane, the rest had to be hand made, and a lot of the parts where tossed and replaced with scratch built items, but like GCN said, for the amount of money they're are charging for their products Omega need to have a look at themselves.

Des.
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Nigel Jackson on November 27, 2013, 10:26:52 PM
Hi Des
 
This is just another beautiful piece of work and I really enjoyed the build log -  I like the additional photo content in recent builds.

I have just one question. In making your own decals you mention using  either white or clear  inkjet decal paper. Can you tell me whose paper you use ?

Best wishes
Nigel
Title: Re: Omega Models MB bis in 1:32 scale
Post by: Des on November 28, 2013, 07:10:22 PM
Thanks Nigel for your comments regarding my build. The decal paper I use is from a local copier company I found on the net, he supplies pretty good paper at a fair price, and he is close by.

It's in Australia but here is the web address  www.thecopiercompany.com.au

Des.