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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Paper and Card models => Topic started by: NinetythirdLiberator on May 13, 2023, 02:32:48 PM
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The disease continues unabated. I'm starting this one next. It will be purposeful yet delicate. Would be a great beginning for a diorama too! The kit has some nice jigs to make wing and tail alignment much easier. The laser cut thin cardboard is awesome.
Anyway, starting this on the weekend. Stay tuned.
Dan
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Looking forward to your build Dan !
RAGIII
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Thanks, Rick...here is a bit more. I started the fuselage/hull and it has a nice interior framing along with multiple thicknesses on each side and then finally, the outer skin. Should be nice and firm when it's done. Still trying to figure out how to put in the cockpit and where to add the forward tip of the hull. I think if I make the cockpit, things will be revealed. So far, though...smooth sailing. I love the treatment of the printed wood too.
Stay tuned,
Dan
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Great start Dan! Looks good to Date.
RAGIII
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Another Lohner — should be the third one at the same time. Great start here, too!
Andreas
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Lovely work Dan, more power to you! Digging the laser-cut parts.
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Thanks, Folks. I didn't realize this machine was so popular! So many Lohners at one time. Pretty cool.
Started the cockpit complete with glassed compass and instruments. Control column and seats with belts are next...Dan
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Instruments and Compass look awesome Dan!
RAGIII
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Hi Rick...
This one is really looking nice. The kit fits really well so far. I'm not looking forward to the forward underside hull, however! We'll see.
I moved along on the interior making the pulleys and control wires along with the rudder pedals and control yoke. It's all a combo of paper, pulled sprue and thin brass with EZ-line to top it off. Not sure if this should be a wheel or stick, but the kit calls for a stick. I do see a photo of the Italian version of this machine with a wheel so I don't know which is correct. But I stayed with the kit for now. You can see I started adding the tub to the hull and I got one colored side skin on as well. Starting to look pretty cool!
Thanks for looking,
Dan
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Such a cardboard model is a challenge. I will be happy to watch the progress of the work. Fingers crossed for a nice build and until next time.
Lukasz
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Hello Lukasz and thanks for the kind wishes. There are some real challenges, but so far it is just beautiful.
Thanks and stay tuned!
Dan
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Evening, All!
A bit more done. This thing is so well engineered that it took about 5 minutes to get this thing skinned to this point. The underside will be tricky but so far, it's just been fun! Even the nose seems to line up well.
Dan
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Wow! That is really coming along nicely. Now that the east part is complete you will soon start the real fun of the tail and lower wing attachment ;D
Great work Dan!
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Not only are you Moving quickly, but it is looking gorgeous Dan!
RAGIII
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Very nice!
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Looking fantastic Dan! Glad to see this one coming along so well and with minimal difficulties. I’ve got it in the stash, and will follow in your footsteps eventually. I’ve always liked the Lohner aircraft. Very well done my friend!
Best,
Bob
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Thanks, Bob. It is, so far, a really, really nice kit. All those struts etc. will be...interesting.
Dan
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Great subject Dan, you make it all look so easy but I very much doubt that it is!
Richie
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Lovely work as always Dan but, man, am I having trouble keeping my Lohners straight at the moment! ;D
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Thanks Richie and Zac! I know...I really didn't realize there were so many. Lots of documentation for me!
I do find this machine rather sleek and pretty. The wood, bright colors and all that rigging will really set it off.
I got the underside and the top basic skins on. The bottom went really well but my underside nose part isn't nearly as nice. It's a complex bit of curves under there. Oh, well...still looks pretty good and will be ok with a bit of touch up.
I only added some spacers (where my fingers are) to make sure the bottom matched the sides with little overlap. Worked wonders. I also added some pennies in the area just behind the cockpit in hopes of the machine sitting level once it's all done. The tails etc. may make it a tail-sitter! We shall see.
Still loving this kit,
Dan
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Man oh man Dan! You certainly have mastered this craft. That hull looks very difficult to construct. Just beautiful!
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This is looking outstanding Dan. Excellent progress and quality work!
RAGIII
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Thanks Tim and Rick! These just take practice and some re-training. You guys would kill these...
Got a smidge more done last night and this AM. I got the seats and belts installed and the forward top decking. I bent some fine fuse wire to make the main buckles. Just looks better than I could cut out of paper. Finally, I added my wing supports (which I was SUPPOSED to add before I added the top decking!) by carefully cutting out the slots and gluing the supports in with super glue. I made sure they protruded the correct distance by using one side as a reference (the full part cut out as it was supposed to attach under the top skinning). Then installed the other side by putting some wire through each hole and made sure that they were straight and true using the Mk.I eyeball and I think I succeeded. They have a tad of positive incidence as well. Looks fine to me. Oh! And I added the circular covers for the water tight hull sections on top! Forgot about those...
Next will be the tails! can't wait.
Dan
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Lovely! If Przemos' resin build is any indication the Tail May be challenging. I have faith you will do just fine!
RAGIII
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Very nice work Dan! I am going to school on your build. Thanks for showing me through the minefield. ;)
Best regards,
Bob
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Thanks Rick and Bob! ;)
Minefield was the word for the tail but it went smoothly since I made a jig much like when I'm putting on a wing from a Fokker D-VII with super complicated cabanes. You can see it in one of the shots. Then I just used dividers, cut wire to length and glued with super glue and zip kicker. Took it apart and it's straight, strong and true! Took a couple of tries but I do think that may be the hardest part. Next I think I'll work on the center section/engine mount and leave the rudder/fin and elevators off until later. Just more to break!
Thanks for looking...Dan
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Impressive result on the complicated tail, Dan! Nice jig. The whole air(sea) frame is looking very convincing. Great model! Keep going.
Best regards,
Bob
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Excellent results. The Tail looks perfect!
RAGIII
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Thanks so much Bob and Rick!
And now: This looks like ridiculously little work but let me tell you! Each engine bearer was 7 pieces and were lots of fun to cut out. So skinny on the edges. Then...I needed to learn how to solder. Turns out it's fun but fraught with danger. I got this tiny part done and it looks nice but it took multiple tries. There will be a bit more soldering from here out, but hopefully I've learned a few things?
Anyway, little progress but important progress too.
Dan
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Lovely work Dan - any progress is good progress, and this looks like great progress!
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Solder On Dan! lol.
Looking great.
Tim
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Not so small an amount of progress considering you have learned / are Learning a New skill!
RAGIII
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Thanks, Tim and Rick! What a card, Tim! ;D ;D
Another simple jig was in order to start the trapeze. It was exciting and it's still a little delicate, but with careful soldering and additions...it should be good! I got the main supports located correctly by cutting and putting a piece of paper over the mount area, poked the holes in-line with the the fuselage decking holes located in the kit and you end up with a near perfect line-up. The forward and aft "A-frame" is also dead vertical so it's at right angles to the top of the fuselage deck so that geometry is easy.
Anyway...the state of things. I hope to strengthen it tomorrow and start the engine soon!
Stay tuned...Dan
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Looking great Dan, and I still can't believe that hull isn't resin or plastic!
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Looking great Dan, and I still can't believe that hull isn't resin or plastic!
I agree although I would add it could be Real wood. The printing is outstanding and when constructed so smoothly really looks the part!
RAGIII
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Thanks Rick and Zac. I reckon it's real wood since paper is wood! ::) ::) I can dream.
I got all the parts (sans the struts for the wings) on the engine mount cage. They are piano wire, brass and some plastic sprue when not load-bearing. I then taped off the engine mounts, primed it and sprayed everything black. Looks homogeneous and now I'll start rigging it with EZ-line.
Now THAT'LL be fun...More soon,
Dan
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I go the engine mount all rigged with EZ-Line. I'll use some epoxy to attach it to the fuselage to allow a bit of wiggle time to get things nice, straight and true. Then I think I'll relax with the tails and the engine! ;D
Cool...Dan
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Thanks Rick and Bob! ;)
Minefield was the word for the tail but it went smoothly since I made a jig much like when I'm putting on a wing from a Fokker D-VII with super complicated cabanes. You can see it in one of the shots. Then I just used dividers, cut wire to length and glued with super glue and zip kicker. Took it apart and it's straight, strong and true! Took a couple of tries but I do think that may be the hardest part. Next I think I'll work on the center section/engine mount and leave the rudder/fin and elevators off until later. Just more to break!
Thanks for looking...Dan
Now that is a great idea of the tail jig!!! I wish I had something like this on my Lukgraph build :)
Great job all around.
May I ask, what engine is in the kit? Hiero?
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Hi Przemol...the man, the myth, THE LEGEND! Thanks for looking at my post. I had no idea there were so many Lohners out there until someone told me. Your build log is a symphony for the eyes. Just grand.
I think I'll need to do something similar for a wing jig. The kit comes with a placement jig for the stagger but I think it'll need more!
Yes...the engine appears to be a Hiero. Looks rather accurate, though. I think this airplane was first supplied with the Rapp. In any event, I'll start on that soon.
One question for you...what do you use for your spark plug wiring? I have some pretty thin fuse wire but wanted to know what you use as it looks smashing.
Thanks again and I hope mine goes half as well as yours...Dan
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wow Dan, the engine support structure looks amazing. You are really turning this one into a Beauty!
RAGIII
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Thanks so much, Rick. I'm really enjoying this one a lot.
A bit more. Tails built and I got them installed too as well as rigged. All I need are the elevator control cables. Ran out of steam tonight and now my Mother-in-Law is coming so not sure how much more will get done in the next two weeks. I'd so hoped to get the rear end all completed. Maybe I can stuff some time in tomorrow before going to the airport? We'll see.
Looking pretty dandy, I must say.
Dan
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Excellent progress Dan, she's looking phenomenal.
I reckon it's real wood since paper is wood! ::) ::)
I didn't even think of that... ;D ;D
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Looking sharp Dan. Perfect alignment and nice rigging.
Two weeks of my mother in law would drive me to the model bench for months! 😂
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Dan,
You seem to be knocking out the difficult procedures without any issues! Good luck with the visit and I Look forward to seeing the Next update ASAP. Beautiful Build!
RAGIII
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Thanks Zac, Tim and Rick! I just this morning snuck in one last rigging job before the Horsemen arrive...
Got the control wires on! It's break time but next will be the engine. Fun stuff to come!
Dan
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Awesome rigging job Dan!
RAGIII
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Thanks so much, Rick!
Not much more done, but I at least started the crank case. Turns out that visiting mothers-in-law put a real crimp on one's modeling time! :o ;D
Anyway, cylinders will be soon...Dan
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Dan. I just wanted to say what wonderful work you’ve accomplished with this project. From the photos it really looks to be an injection molding. Top notch finish!
Tim
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Perhaps not a lot of progress but the basis for the Engine looks great!
RAGIII
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Thanks to you, Tim and Rick! I finally got to work on this little guy. I hope to spend some time on it this holiday weekend!
I started adding some engine details but there is more to come. All is per the kit except I used stretched sprue for the exhausts. I tried rolling those from paper as was called for, but they were tiny and delaminated so I went for the easy way...
More soon,
Dan
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Amazing work, thanks for demonstrating the heights you can take a paper kit! Steve Perry--who talked me into signing up for this Forum back in 2019--did his best to get me into paper modeling before he went West, and sent me a couple of kits among his many other kindnesses. But my output is so slow that I didn't want to go off on any more tangents... :-\
Dave V.
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The engine looks Fantastic Dan! Hard to believe it is Paper...as is the whole thing!
RAGIII
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Thanks Dave and Rick! Give one of these a go, Dave. You may find it to be a fun medium to use.
I made the valve springs from thin wire wrapped around a piece of piano wire and then cut to length and glued in place. They will be painted soon. Then I started to try and make the rocker arms including a piece of brass rod that can go through each and look good on the engine. Miraculously, it seems that it may work.
Stay tuned...Dan
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Fine detail Dan. Looks like you are having fun with it.
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Your engine detailing is looking terrific Dan!
RAGIII
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Thanks you two...getting much closer now!
Installed all those rocker arms on their springs and then added and painted the pushrods. The rockers are all slightly different in angle and I think it looks like the variation in valve position.
At least that's what I'm pretending... ::)
Overall, good enough for the girls we date. Next will be the plugs, wires and carbs. Almost done!
Dan
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Very good progress! Pity that nobody will notice the rocker arms on the finished model.
Greetings Joe
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You are so right, Joe! I guess it's the old "I'll know they are there" argument. Plus, it's kind of fun.
A tad more tonight. The parts for the carbs are shown and I added the spark plug wires to the mags and to the cylinders on one side. Need a break before doing the other side. Should have put these in BEFORE I added the piston rods and carbs. Well...maybe on my next Hiero engine!
Thanks for looking,
Dan
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That is some impressive wiring and detailing Dan! The valve lifters are impressive also!
RAGIII
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Much appreciated, Rick!
I finished the beast tonight by adding the manifolds out of fuse wire and one last "copper" pipe on top that will plumb into the radiator when that gets built. Things are not perfect...like the manifolds going into the cylinders between the rocker arms...but the geometry of the kit parts didn't really lend itself to perfection. That's ok as the overall impression is nice.
I think I'll mount it tomorrow and then the next hurdle will be the wings. Holy cow...
More soon,
Dan
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Outstanding results on the Engine! Looking at the completed pylon/engine I am really impressed with all!
RAGIII
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Thanks Rick! I hope all the rest of it doesn't disappoint.
I did install the engine and I started the radiator and added a lower hose/tube to the bottom. Now I need to figure out the geometry of the hoses that go into the top of the rad. Also, the only picture I see of this actual airplane from when it was captured doesn't seem to show the hand crank on the front. I'm going to leave it since I think it just looks cool...some artistic license.
More soon...Dan
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Looking fantastic, Dan! I will use your build as inspiration for my own eventually. Thanks for showing the way!
Best,
Bob
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The radiator looks great Dan! I must say again how truly beautiful this build is!
RAGIII
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Thanks to you, Bob and Rick! For tonight's episode, here are the radiator hoses attached. I'm calling the engine "done" for now. I do need to add a starting handle later and it needs an oil tank too. But I want to wait until I add the top wing center section and make sure all those struts align first!
More soon and thanks for looking,
Dan
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Also, the only picture I see of this actual airplane from when it was captured doesn't seem to show the hand crank on the front. I'm going to leave it since I think it just looks cool...some artistic license.
An excellent idea Dan! For what it's worth, the Curtiss boat at my local museum has its crank fitted:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53028783080_28426f750a_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oMYnHs)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2oMYnHs) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
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Sweet, Zac! That's beautiful. I shall do just that!
Dan
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All,
Made the center section with no fuss and then started test fitting it to the forward struts. Looks like it may fit straight and true!
The first pic shows the center structure consisting of 5 ribs (two with "wood" color on them), a spar and a nice straight wire that will hopefully stop any droop.
I'll need to make the rear struts to test some more but hopefully all will be connected tomorrow.
Cheers,
Dan
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The center wing section looks great....and Sturdy! I would think all of the wing alignment depends on this being straight which yours seems to be! Lovely Boat Dan.
RAGIII
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It IS sturdy now...especially, Rick!
I got the center section almost done and got the wire painted black to match the engine trapeze. It is very strong but I think I need to do a bit of rigging on the front "A" frame too. The "N" struts really make this thing robust. Shouldn't be any issues attaching the top wing (I hope!).
Can't wait for the rest of the wings! More soon...Dan
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Just love watching this come together Dan! Your attention to detail is bar none.
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Thanks, Tim! I'm working on the wings now. Hopefully everything will line up close enough "for the girls we date". I'm trusting in my math and the 3-views. We'll see! ;D
More soon and thanks for commenting...Dan
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A tad more today! It's actually still going well. Lost my religion a few times while getting the prototype upper wing panel made, but all went well with a tad o' tweaking. I think the other three panels should be comparative dawdles...test fit seems ok so far.
More soon,
Dan
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Lovely work Dan, she's coming along famously! Which reminds me, when I recently shifted I brought a certain Avro kit with me...
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The wing is looking great Dan! Such a pretty Boat and scheme!
RAGIII
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Superlative work Dan! Looks amazing.
All the best,
Tim
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Thanks a lot, Tim! The wings will hopefully all line up enough to complete the illusion!
I got the left top panel done and you can see the general positions where all will end up. I think it will be really important to get the bottom wing on solid so it, along with the struts, will help set that top wing. It's a big bird!
The plot thickens...Dan
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The upper wing looks awesome in place Dan! What a Lovely Bird this is!
RAGIII
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Thanks again, Rick. Coming along slowly but surely...
I got one of the bottom wings sans tip and floats done and then used the kit jig to see if things have a hope of lining up. Actually looks pretty good. The top wing won't droop and the wings seem to have the correct stagger and are square.
Perhaps miracles do occur in paper modeling!
More soon...Dan
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This is an amazing build Dan! Seems an order of magnitude more complex than your prior builds, but you are handling it all with apparent ease. Way to go! Gives me encouragement to try one of these paper flying boats some day.😊
Best regards,
Bob
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Howdy, Bob. It's a really well designed kit with only a few labeling errors etc. All I need to do now is get a couple of wing struts in there and it will slowly become much more stable!
Tonight I got the other lower wing panel done and added wing tips to both. It's mocked up again just to see how things will look...approximately!
More soon (I hope)...Dan
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Looking stellar Dan. I’m wondering if those beer kegs under the lower wings were full or empty? Lol.
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DEFINITELY full. I think I'll need all the help in the world to get those wings on. We'll see!
I think I'll delay a bit and make the wing tip floats today. Relax!
Dan
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That is an Impressive wing cellule Dan! Well Done!
RAGIII
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Thanks, Rick...
I was emboldened by a chocolate snack and decided to give the top wing a whirl. It worked! On and straight. Now I think it will be easier to do some basic rigging and strut placement now that there is a solid place to begin attaching things.
Maybe floats tonight! For now, I'm chuffed.
Dan
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Amazing work Dan. A new milestone reached and one big step towards completion.
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I'm glad, Tim...it's just taken patience and has really gone together very well indeed. Still, a HUGE step! :P You are right.
Taking a break from actually adding the bottom wing and starting those struts, I decided to make the wing tip floats. Went on pretty easily and look cool too. I'm not sure exactly where the bottom long strut goes. Or rather, where it attaches to the lower wing. Looking at the plans, it seems like the most logical place would be where I placed it at a wing strut location and this is the length of wire called for on the plans. However, unlike all the other locations, there are no indications of attachment points on the paper. Looks fine but I also just looked at shots of the real machine in Italy and it seems that strut is completely different! Oh, well...
I'll attempt the bottom wing and some struts this weekend. Wish me luck...Dan
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More great work Dan, and best of luck for your weekend tasks!
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Still amazed at this build, Dan. She's a beauty, I've always had a weakness for Great War-vintage flying boats...
Dave V.
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The upper wing and that wing tip float look awesome Dan! What a Beautiful build this is!
RAGIII
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Thanks Zac, Dave and Rick! Things have just gone slightly sideways but I haven't wrapped it around a tree yet!
So today I started trying to add the bottom wing and the struts. Things went well with a simple jig and measurements from my 3-views seem spot on! Correct dihedral, distances between planes looks good, trailing edge wing sweep-back is nice and parallel. However..........
When I add my struts which are currently just thin wire, the printed position for the top wing underside is substantially off. You can see the "Ugly" arrow where the strut is perfectly vertical, but the attachment point is off. Plus, the struts are too short. The shortness of the struts could well be my fault as making the center section trapeze could be slightly off. Not too bad and doesn't look obvious at all.
But the strut location areas are odd to me. I've never had this happen and when I look at the construction, I don't know how that would have crept in. The center section and top wing panels are flush and the bottom wing locations are correct while the hull width is fine. I just don't know where I got the error. I doubt it's printed wrong but I guess it could be. I'm too far down this road to worry about it though.
My plan is to simply relocate the top wing underside strut locations a smidge, make scratch struts, paint out the printed locations and it'll be just fine. Certainly, the overall look and feel is awesome so I'm not worried if I'm off a bit. Still looks like an elegant Lohner to me!
Anyway, I hope to at least get those bottom wings and struts started soon but now I do need to so some scratch fabrication. No harm done. We are model BUILDERS after all!
More soon...Dan
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Success! Got the bottom wing on and two sets of interplanes. I needed to make the struts a tad longer so they are scratch built. I also successfully made some new holes for the struts on the lower surface of the top wing. It's straight and looks fine. It also seems to match up ok with my 3-views so I'm not complaining. A bit of paint will hide some of the printed strut locations and all will be well...
Light at the end of the tunnel and it's not a train!
Dan
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Very nice job on this Lohner!
Andreas
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I was about to say "You got this"...and then you got it! Go Dan!
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Thanks Andreas and Zac! I've been busy at work and honey-do lists but I think I'll try to finish the struttery and rigging this weekend. We'll see!
More soon..........Dan
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Didn't get quite as far as I'd hoped but not too shabby either. Still need to finish the tip struts but at least I did make some headway this weekend. Should be done pretty soon!
Dan
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iI still find it hard to believe this is a paper model, WOW!
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Truly Lovely and Inspirational work Dan! It looks outstanding!!
RAGIII
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Thank you Jan and Rick! WWI types really lend themselves well to paper...
I got a tad more done. Lots more rigging and the last struts at the wing tips. Aileron control cables, paint the struts at the tips, prop, a bit more rigging and some little details here and there. Shooting to get it done by Monday but we'll see!
Thanks for looking...Dan
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The rigging looks outstanding and should make for a sturdy cellule!
RAGIII
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Properly structural stuff, lovely work Dan!
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Incredible work Dan. The engine support structure and rigging are particularly nice! Almost there now.
All the best,
Tim
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Hello all...and thanks for the nice interest! Just got back from a little 30th anniversary vacation to Juneau, Alaska and had a blast. Taking the rest of the week off and one priority is this old Lohner. Look for some shots of the finished article soon!
Dan
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Happy anniversary Dan and Mrs Dan!
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Thanks, Zac...we went to Juneau, Alaska. It's very postcard picturesque once you get out of the town. Not many people and just lovely. We had nice weather too!
So here are some last detail shots to wet appetites. Should be done later today or tomorrow at the latest. You can see the windshield and scratch oil tank installed as well as the hand crank and the prop. I am working on a little tank that fits on top of the center section and that will be the last detail. Not sure what it is...rad overflow? Anyway, it looks cool and will be the final addition along with some very subtle airbrushing here and there.
Thanks for looking...Dan
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Awesome Job on fine subject!
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Thank you very much, gomidefilho! It was a fun project and it looks very convincing.
It will look nice hanging from my office ceiling!
Dan