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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => What's New => Topic started by: Mike Norris on March 13, 2023, 08:47:02 PM
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Hi all,
Lukgraph has announced that they are to release an Austro-Hungarian Albatros D.III Oeffag (series 253) - 1:32 scale.
They're currently working on the Austro-Daimler 225 HP engine.
The model should be released at the turn of April and May.
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/Lgraph/albdiii.jpg)
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Great news Mike……thank you for the information.
I hope that they will also consider a Halberstadt D type this year……..the idea seemed to have some support on this forum.
David
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I saw this on FB this Morning. This release should really make a bunch of Modelers Day/ Year 8)
RAGIII
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Fantastic news, I see other Albatros D.III (Oeffag) versions in our future. Wallet be ready :o :o :D
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OH COME ON!!!!!! I am supposed to be retiring and BUILDING the stash, not adding to it!!!!!!!!
Awesome news! Lukgraph just keep getting better and better.
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Great news Mike……thank you for the information.
I hope that they will also consider a Halberstadt D type this year……..the idea seemed to have some support on this forum.
David
Hear! Hear!
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Nice, a four-spark, four-valve engine!
Polish insignia and the 70s wallpaper camouflage fabric, please, so I can re-do my 1/72 scale model in 1/32! :)
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Nice, a four-spark, four-valve engine!
Polish insignia and the 70s wallpaper camouflage fabric, please, so I can re-do my 1/72 scale model in 1/32! :)
Bugger I'll be up for at least 2 of these especially with the Polski art nouveau wing covering.
Cheers Lukgraph
Andrew :)
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This is fantastic news. I have been waiting for someone to do this for decades. If it’s Lukgraph we can be sure it’s going to be of the best quality. There are some great ( and different) schemes for this aircraft but I am hoping for Polish Kościuszko and 13 squadron options. As Lukgraph are from Kraków I am quietly confident I will have one ( or several ) in my hands before too long. Bring them on!
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It is indeed very interesting, but wouldn't a transformation kit for the Roden D-III be simpler? with engine, fuselage and armament
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Not an expert, but it would also need a new center section for the radiator (or something to make the changes -one reason the Roden 1/72 kits come with a 3-part top wing), tail skid, different interior parts, guns, scalloped control surfaces, etc... and make it fit to a kit that's 15 year old (and though I like it -it's not all that great)
Quite a bit of work, an apparenty Lukgraph thought it would be easier/better to design something from the ground up.
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It is indeed very interesting, but wouldn't a transformation kit for the Roden D-III be simpler? with engine, fuselage and armament
There are people who did exactly that:
https://archive.aeroscale.net/features/3198/index.htm
Andreas
Edit: He used some parts of the old battle axe kit to convert the Roden kit.
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Great news! Apparently they’re doing some engines as well - I’ll be getting a few Mercedes d 111 to put in the Roden d111’s I’m building to replace the kit ones ;)
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It is indeed very interesting, but wouldn't a transformation kit for the Roden D-III be simpler? with engine, fuselage and armament
There are people who did exactly that:
https://archive.aeroscale.net/features/3198/index.htm
Andreas
Edit: He used some parts of the old battle axe kit to convert the Roden kit.
Hi Andreas, oh this brings back some memories – thank you for bringing it up.
I did use some parts from the Battle Axe kit, but I mostly had to do a lot of scratchbuilding and "sculpting" as many parts from this kit weren't usable. And there are a lot of minor differences that one does'nt think about at first. I remember using the images from a very high quality replica build by an Austrian fellow. In hindsight, there are some issues with my conversion, but its still one of my favourite builds, standing out on my display shelf.
I asked Lukasz if he would do a conversion for the Roden kit, but he said they only do "full" models, and looking at my old build it would still be a lot of work if you want to get everything accurate, even if you get the engine, nose, guns and and radiator. One thing being the different layout of the fuselage panels + several other minor details throughout.
All in all, I've been very keen on another OEFFAG 153/253 Albatros, but not wanted to do another conversion. So this is great news, and I will get one for sure. (And a Lohner a well by the way)
Cheers for now /Mikael
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I haven’t realized that this was you, Mikael! Now (and seeing your nickname) all parts snap together suddenly :)
Judging from the photos, this was a really great job you did back then! You are rightfully proud of it!
I was thinking about building Brumowskis 153.52 (I always loved this paint scheme very much) and doing this out of the Roden D. III seemed to be easier as the nose isn’t that different. It wasn’t the conversion work that kept me off for the first instance, but the complete lack of an idea how to realize those yellow swingles.
But now I‘ll sit back, pick up a Lukgraph 253 series kit and wait until Lukgraph releases the 153 series, too ;D
Andreas
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Hi all,
More information from 'Lukgraph':
Mike
Albatros D.III Oeffag scale 1:32 - final renders.
A small, beautiful compact plane from the Great War period.
There will be 3-4 Austrian paintings and one Polish one packed separately. There will also be a Premium set with decals imitating wood and canvas.
The model will maintain our standard, so it will have a cast fuselage and wings (wire reinforced), and all the small parts are 3D printing, additionally photo-etched parts and decals.
More info coming soon.
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/Lgraph/ofag1.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/Lgraph/ofag2.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/Lgraph/ofag3.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/Lgraph/ofag4.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/Lgraph/ofag5.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/Lgraph/ofag6.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/Lgraph/ofag7.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/Lgraph/ofag8.jpg)
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Lovely!!!
Andreas
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The renderings look pretty nice! I know these are not actual parts but to me the ribs and sag look just a Tad overstated?
RAGIII
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The rib tapes look nice- I don’t think Rodens D111 has them. Might be my first resin build. Excellent! Lukgraph should do good sales with this - well done to them, and thanks for tackling all these subjects:)
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Speaking of rib tapes, did the Öffag version have these on the control surfaces as well? FWIW the WNW D.V/Va kits don't have them on rudder, elevator and ailerons.
Could be another Öffag improvement, not knowing a lot about these other than that they look nice!
I was able to sell a WNW D.V/Va so this just might be my first resin biplane build....
Jeroen
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Definitely on the radar.
Steve
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The renderings look pretty nice! I know these are not actual parts but to me the ribs and sag look just a Tad overstated?
RAGIII
I think I would agree about the ribs. I think with ribs "less is More" the rest of the kit looks great, I'll definitely be up for one (Polski roots)
Cheers
Andrew
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Hi all,
An Oeffag D.III wing,
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/Lgraph/oeffagwing.jpg)
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....former wing....the section on the right of the picture does show a fair amount of "scalloping" on the wing but could that be due to less stress on the fabric now that the wing is mangled? Tapes look much thinner too.
Steve
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....former wing....the section on the right of the picture does show a fair amount of "scalloping" on the wing but could that be due to less stress on the fabric now that the wing is mangled? Tapes look much thinner too.
Steve
If you google Koloman Mayerhofer some nice photos can be found of his full size build of an Albatros
https://archive.aeroscale.net/features/2726/index.htm
The link I posted has some good photos. The scalloping on the wings is quite pronounced so it looks like Lukgraph got it right.
Cheers
Andrew
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Hi all,
Some of the schemes so far for the model.
May be others,
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/Lgraph/schemes.jpg)
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Nice schemes - like to see this kit done in plastic but resin will do :)
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So they will kit the 153 series as well?
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So they will kit the 153 series as well?
Hi Ken,
Their information doesn't say if different engines will be supplied.
As far as I can tell, the only main difference between the 153 and 253 series was the engine.
The 153 series had the high compression 200 hp Daimler engine.
The 253 series had the high compression 225 hp Daimler engine.
Apart from that the 253 series had minor internal modifications.
I'm not sure what, if any, differences there were between the two engine types.
My guess is just the one engine for both versions, which will be defined by their external decals only,
Mike
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I believe the engine is the most significant difference. If I recall, the engines do look different - the manifold and maybe the valve timing gear.
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I believe the engine is the most significant difference. If I recall, the engines do look different - the manifold and maybe the valve timing gear.
Hi Ken, You may be right.
The engine advertised for the kit is the Daimler 225 hp engine, which was fitted to the 253 series.
If the kit is a 253, it would seem strange to supply decals for 153 series schemes.
It would be interesting to find out the visible differences between the 200 and 225 hp engines.
Mike
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These are not the best pics, the first one lacks detail, the other ones are done in blender.
(https://www.internetmodeler.com/artman/uploads/1/flight1918_p1216.jpg)
200 HP
(https://blenderartists.org/uploads/default/original/4X/0/5/5/055c138a67ce63376f1bb338807f9f07fefa7e80.jpeg)
(https://blenderartists.org/uploads/default/original/4X/b/d/7/bd7b3fd0d21aaff106f1b3d5dcd84a6d79e8ee7b.jpeg)
220 HP
But I think they are good enough for a first assumption that there are not too many differences between a 200 HP Austro-Daimler and a 225 one (that are visible under engine covers on a 1:32 scale model).
Andreas
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After some researching, I was thinking of the 160 hp version compared to the 225 hp version.
The 200 hp version and 225 hp version may very well look similar, just changing the bore or stroke to get a higher compression ratio and more horsepower.
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After some researching, I was thinking of the 160 hp version compared to the 225 hp version.
The 200 hp version and 225 hp version may very well look similar, just changing the bore or stroke to get a higher compression ratio and more horsepower.
Hi Ken,
I've managed to obtain a copy of the Windsock data file No.19 (Albatros D.III (OEF) by P.M. Grosz).
It has a few, if indistinct, shots of the Daimler 200 hp engine (Series 153).
Nothing of the 225 hp Daimler though.
It seems the initial 53 series (45 aircraft in total) were fitted with the 185 hp Daimler engine.
Once the 200 hp Daimler became available, they were fitted into the 153 series aircraft.
The 225 hp Daimler powered Series 253 aircraft started to be delivered in May of 1918.
By October 1918, all but 29 were delivered.
Mike
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Hi all,
Latest from Lukgraph,
Mike
Albatros D.III Oeffag 253 in Polish Service - update
This will be a separate model set next to the Austro-Hungarian set.
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/Lgraph/polishschemes.jpg)
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According to lukgraph‘s homepage preorder starts next week. :)
Dear Edgar, what about a double Austro-Hungarian release with the Oeffag D. III AND the Copper State Hansa Brandenburg D. I?
An irresistible idea? Yes, I agree…. ;)
Andreas
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According to lukgraph‘s homepage preorder starts next week. :)
Dear Edgar, what about a double Austro-Hungarian release with the Oeffag D. III AND the Copper State Hansa Brandenburg D. I?
An irresistible idea? Yes, I agree…. ;)
Andreas
Hi Andreas
once we will be ready with the HB D.I we will announce it once again
and after, the OEFFAG will follow, no doubts
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Nice!!!
Steve
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Hi all,
Engine shots and this time separate 3D printed parts,
Mike
"Albatros D.III Oeffag - update
The first castings are ready - everything is perfect.
Time for the A-D engine and 3D parts - this time the engine will be divided into several elements - for easier access to painting.
We will start pre-ordering next week."
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/Lgraph/ofag9.jpg)
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Preorders have started:
https://lukgraph.pl/
Andreas
Edit: I can see the nose as a separate part here:
https://lukgraph.pl/en_GB/p/Albatros-D.III-Oeffag-132-scale-Pre-order/239#galleryName=productGallery,imageNumber=3-copied
Could be a hint for a 153 and/or 53 version in the future.
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According to lukgraph‘s homepage preorder starts next week. :)
Dear Edgar, what about a double Austro-Hungarian release with the Oeffag D. III AND the Copper State Hansa Brandenburg D. I?
An irresistible idea? Yes, I agree…. ;)
Andreas
Hi Andreas
once we will be ready with the HB D.I we will announce it once again
and after, the OEFFAG will follow, no doubts
Edgar , with your quality and unbeaten prices, for sure competitors will be wiped off . Looking forward to your statement that more AH subjects will be announced in the near future
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Stumbled on this site by accident -looks like a treasure trove of drawings and profiles, even showing nail lines and such:
https://flyingbat.web.fc2.com/series153_late.html
There are also cockpit and seat views, engines, factory markings and stencils, etc, and sources quoted. The navigation is not very intuitive but somehow I never found out about this site before.
And for the first time I've been weak, and pre-ordered one... :o
(the A-H version, though the Polish one is really tempting, too!)
I have been tempted to add a 185Ps A-D engine as well to see if I could do a 53.x aircraft but after reviewing the total cost I resisted :D
Jeroen
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Hi Jeroen,
That's a great find.
Thanks for posting the site link,
Mike
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Happy to share, hope it's useful! :)
In case there are Linux users that want go do a quick grab of the whole thing for saving it offline, here's what I did to make a quick copy before my kids get home:
wget -r -p https://flyingbat.web.fc2.comfrom for example your download directory. Will only work on Linux, though. And you'll also get the rest of the site. You can alter the URL to get only specific parts if you like.
Jeroen
PS While having a quick look I did notice some interesting little things (that seem easily fixable), such as the different instrument panel of the Lukgraph kit that does not seem to have space for the internal guns and that the stencil for the 153 series should probably read DM200 instead of DM225.
Also AFAIK the 153 did not have scalloped ailerons and elevator.
I'm doing a 253 anyway, but if you want to do both a 153 and strive for accuracy some further research might be needed.
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That’s a great find, thanks for sharing!
Andreas
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Yesterday afternoon I received a parcel from Poland. It was my OEFFAG D. III.
(https://abload.de/img/2832989c-3d51-4828-an4cjf.jpeg?c0949bfcc3333736fc99a214ea53d81b)
(https://abload.de/img/img_951138dri.jpeg?0d85b5e4b357d00a00a1d1e8e9a3d15e)
It is a superb kit, carefully made and a pure joy to look at.
(https://abload.de/img/img_95097weyx.jpeg?77803fdf8f7d146258dfe0bc1fbb93cc)
I think the wings will satisfy also those who find Roden‘s wings too plain:
(https://abload.de/img/img_9510kxerr.jpeg?7ac702f285006bacb85bfc40050351db)
Beware that there’s a little misunderstanding regarding the markings of 153.167:
The instructions show it either with a green four-leaved clover or with a red heart including the name „Cläre“ on its sides. The decal sheet contains both markings twice. This plane from Flik 2D made a forced landing in May 1918 and was photographed from both sides then. The heart was only painted on the port side, the four-leaved clover on the starboard side. Pictures from both sides are published in JaPo Albatros D. II and III OEFFAG on p. 29.
Best regards,
Andreas
Edit: Corrected, thanks Mike! Don’t know what happened. Need to think first, write later
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Hi Andreas,
I think a typo ;)
Starboard and right sides are the same.
Which sides for the heart and the clover (port/starboard - left/right),
Mike
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:D ;)
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PS While having a quick look I did notice some interesting little things (that seem easily fixable), such as the different instrument panel of the Lukgraph kit that does not seem to have space for the internal guns and that the stencil for the 153 series should probably read DM200 instead of DM225.
Also AFAIK the 153 did not have scalloped ailerons and elevator.
I'm doing a 253 anyway, but if you want to do both a 153 and strive for accuracy some further research might be needed.
Looks nice Andreas! I've ordered one as well but it hasn't arrived yet, and for that, matter, no shipping notice as well. I hope this is due to the model being a massive success for them of course!
I did message Lukgraph about the above, can you tell if they managed to have a look and/or fix some of it? It was probably too late already but I haven't received a reply with a yes/maybe/no so I'm a but curious, and as I wrote, mine isn't here (yet).
It's also my first resin/3D kit and my most expensive model to date! 8)
And FWIW, the Datafile #19 also has 2 photo's of "Cläre" / Clover.
Jeroen
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Hi Jeroen,
I've received emails for my order being dispatched to the UK.
If you've had no reply then I'd chase them up again, just to be sure.
I also emailed them regards some changes I thought were needed on their BE2c model and for their planned releases of other versions of that aircraft.
I did get a reply but basically they said ' thanks, but it's too late now'.
I don't know if they have outside modelers test build before releasing a model or if they do it themselves in-house.
Also how much technical research they carry out during the development stages of a model.
That said, many released models from most companies have anomalies that can usually be fixed,
Mike
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PS While having a quick look I did notice some interesting little things (that seem easily fixable), such as the different instrument panel of the Lukgraph kit that does not seem to have space for the internal guns and that the stencil for the 153 series should probably read DM200 instead of DM225.
Also AFAIK the 153 did not have scalloped ailerons and elevator.
I'm doing a 253 anyway, but if you want to do both a 153 and strive for accuracy some further research might be needed.
Looks nice Andreas! I've ordered one as well but it hasn't arrived yet, and for that, matter, no shipping notice as well. I hope this is due to the model being a massive success for them of course!
I did message Lukgraph about the above, can you tell if they managed to have a look and/or fix some of it? It was probably too late already but I haven't received a reply with a yes/maybe/no so I'm a but curious, and as I wrote, mine isn't here (yet).
It's also my first resin/3D kit and my most expensive model to date! 8)
And FWIW, the Datafile #19 also has 2 photo's of "Cläre" / Clover.
Jeroen
Jeroen,
you‘ve got sharp eyes and a deep knowledge of the type. You are completely right, the elevator is scalloped like it should only be the case for the 253 version. I think that’s nothing some sanding couldn’t take care if you wanted to build the 153 version. Also the instrument panel is wrong for all the versions, as for 53, 153 and 253 it should be split into two parts leaving space for the machine gun butts. Two cuts with a razor saw will correct this. As far as I know, the kit’s instrument panel is fine for the 253 planes with raised guns, those that had the Schwarzloses on eye level. At last the kit’s seat has no lightening holes. I cannot remember having seen OEFFAG seats without those lightening holes. As the holes are quite large and 3d-printed resin is quite brittle, I think this will be the most problematic issue to fix. I am thinking of exchanging the seat with one from a Roden D. III. The plastic is way easier to handle while drilling. The Lukgraph seat is on the other hand completely fine for a German Albatros D. III.
Best regards
Andreas
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Hi Mike, Hi Andreas,
I suppose Lukgraph were just very busy, and my pre-order a bit later, as yesterday I received my example -and little (correctable) errors or not, it looks really nice!
Eventually I did get order- and shipping notices so it all went OK in the end. I didn't get a reply to my message regarding the niggles.
Andreas, well, I've been accused of sharp eyes, but definately not of being an expert on these Albatrosen, other than the website I linked earlier and re-reading the Datafile. Thanks for the compliment, though! ;D
As Mike stated, most models have little or big flaws, and these look to be correctable without a lot of work :)
Really happy with it, one thing I noticed for example is that the struts have little holes printed on the tops, ready for a bit of wire to be added without needing to drill the brittle 3D parts, or what I've seen on other models with wires cast in a resin piece that never quite seem to line up.
Jeroen
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one thing I noticed for example is that the struts have little holes printed on the tops, ready for a bit of wire to be added without needing to drill the brittle 3D parts, or what I've seen on other models with wires cast in a resin piece that never quite seem to line up.
That's a terrific move, bravo Lukasz. Very helpful!