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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: Tim Mixon on February 24, 2023, 01:09:30 PM
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My next builds will be these two Airfix kits. I will build one as an early Cl.II with the iron Cruz markings and the other as a Cl.IIIa with late style Balkencreuz. What great timing to follow Mike Norris’s build for reference!
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=168181)
I found two kits in my box.
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=168183)
Here’s my reference material.
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=168182)
I have this excellent PrintScale decal sheet with many options
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=168184)
I will try to make this Cl.II
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=168187)
And this Cl.IIIa
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=168188)
The fuselage painted lozenge will be a challenge. I’m going to try and use this old Fowler 1/48 lozenge decals and then overspray them with Prussian blue paint. I think 1/32 lozenge would be more to scale but I don’t have any so this will have to do.
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=168185)
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=168186)
Starting with the interior, I’ll need to remove these attachments:
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=168189)
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=168190)
I’ll dig into this more over the weekend.
Thanks for looking in!
Tim
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Looking forward to this one Tim.
Like most of us I've got one in the stash somewhere which I looked at briefly a couple of weeks ago. Personally I really like to see these old classics scrubbed up and polished enough to sit alongside newer offerings 8)
Paul
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The parts look rather crude, but I am sure you will work your usual magic on them.
Looking forward to see the end result.
Two kits in one box? Packing mistake or stash efficiency?
Willem
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Thanks DaddyO. I agree about seeing these older kits getting some love and TLC!
Thank you Rookie. Yes, parts are definitely crude for today’s standards. But this is one of Airfix’s best 1/72 offerings. It measures up to the datafile plans fairly closely. Two in one box was surely my “stash efficiency “. Often times when I pick out a box to look at I find all kinds of nice surprises I had forgotten!
Tim
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Nice! Looking forward to the two variants.
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I'm really looking forward to this, I built one of these as a kid, and I've always wanted to do another. I've got one in the stash, so I'm definitely taking notes here.
Great idea using the larger lozenge for the painted lozenge on the fuselage! Do you really think the 1/32nd would be better? I've no idea myself.
Warren
PS: I just now noticed that the CL.II is armed with a captured Lewis!
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I'm really looking forward to this, I built one of these as a kid, and I've always wanted to do another. I've got one in the stash, so I'm definitely taking notes here.
Great idea using the larger lozenge for the painted lozenge on the fuselage! Do you really think the 1/32nd would be better? I've no idea myself.
Warren
PS: I just now noticed that the CL.II is armed with a captured Lewis!
I’m not entirely sure about the 1/32 being better. The 1/48 is a little smaller than the color profile. If 1/32 is larger, then I’d prefer the smaller option.
I still may end up painting it freehand though.
Thanks
Tim
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I get a great deal of enjoyment and often amazement from seeing old kits getting a bit of love. I'm looking forward to this project Tim.
Richie
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Always loved the header card Roy Cross art on the old baggy kit of this one. Looking forward to your new take on it.
Steve
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This looks an interesting project, Tim.
These old can still work when someone like yourself gets to work on them - looking forward to seeing this one come together.
Regards
Dave
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Definitely one of Airfix's better WW1 kits. I very annoyingly gave my one away. Looking forward to seeing your build of them Tim.
Alan.
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Thank you all for your interest in this build.
Small update but this took me a few hours to complete. Using the datafile drawings I sketched the interior framework onto the fuselage halves.
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=168793)
Then using #100 and 101 Evergreen strips, overlayed the framework. Next I need to create the flooring and bulkheads/ instrument panel.
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=168794)
Thanks for looking in!
Tim
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Great work so far Tim.
Warren
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Nice start!
Steve
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Lovely job Tim, it's neat to see you work your magic on a classic.
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Really looking forward to your progress on this one. An old favourite. Great work so far.
Cheers
Syd
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More interior work. Here is the fuel tank. The actual tank had flat sides but the floor boards will obscure the view so I neglected to build it that way.
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=168875)
I scratch built the instrument panel / firewall and the rudder controls. I’ll add the other details after I paint it the wood color.
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=168876)
A couple views of the interior work
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=168882)
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=168883)
Next I will try and demonstrate how I typically do wood staining.
First I primed everything with flat white primer
After that dried, I sprayed a base coat of Tamiya acrylic Desert Yellow
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=168881)
After this dried overnight, I applied a liberal coat of Windsor Newton Burnt Umber right out of the tube. No thinner added. Be sure to get all the nooks and crannies!
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=168877)
I let this set for at least two to twenty four hours. Be sure to not allow this to completely dry out for obvious reasons.
In this case, I left it for three hours. I think this allows the paint pigment to seep into the acrylic base a bit.
Next, I cut the bristles to stubs on a small brush. Using this dry, begin to rub off the oil paint working from the center of a panel towards the frame. Wipe as much paint off the brush as possible between panels.
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=168879)
Keep removing paint till the color looks good to your eye.
This technique produces an antique finish with lots of dark grunge in the joints and cracks.
Next I use dry longer bristle brush to lightly add wood grain details. Often I’ll have different panels perpendicular to each other.
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=168878)
Here’s a finished fuselage half compared to unfinished.
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=168880)
You can use different oil paints for lighter wood such as Yellow Ochre or Raw Sienna for a more reddish tone if you like.
After every dries for a few days I’ll start adding the final interior parts ( wireless, camera, ammo drums, etc.)
Hope you may find this useful.
Tim
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Nice work so far!
I also have a build log on here for correcting this kit, it's here if you are interested:
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=487.msg6817#msg6817
Ian
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That's a nice technique.
Cheers Tim.
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Part 4:
More interior work today. I’ve scratched up a Telefunken wireless, throttle controls, pressure pumps, instrumentation etc.
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=169007)
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=169006)
Next up is the center parts. Camera, film rack, pilot seat, and instrument panel
Getting close to seal it up and hide all my work!
Thanks for looking in!
Tim
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Nice update. Certainly gives a good wood impression in this scale as do the detail parts. Also like the soon to be hidden 1967 date in the tail area for nostalgia purposes!
Steve
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I’ve scratched up a Telefunken wireless
As one does :o Amazing work Tim!
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Lovely interior detail. They're coming on nicely!
Ian
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Superb interior details: what a pity theu will not be seen! Thanks for the tips on wood grain - some very interesting ideas there.
Stephen.
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Well, the interior is pretty much finished now. I’m not very happy with the end result of my cameras.
I had to scratch build the unique pilot seats
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=169170)
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=169171)
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=169172)
I’m really horrified about how sloppy things look under magnification! It’s so much more pleasing to the naked eye (at least my eyes!)
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=169173)
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=169174)
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=169175)
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=169176)
All ready to close up!
Thank for looking in!
Tim
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This is looking wonderful Tim.
I really like the wood tones and the detailing. The scratched seats look great!
Willem
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Argus AS-III / Opel engines
The biggest disappointing part of the Airfix Hannover is the engine and exhaust. It is too basic, undersized, lacking almost all details.
My intent is to scratch build only the upper engine. The crank case would be hidden from view anyway.
I started with the cylinders. They were cast in pairs. Cutting short sections of Evergreen rod, I glued them partially onto a thin Evergreen strip.
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=169400)
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=169393)
Then I wrapped and glued the strip around the cylinders. I folded and glued the excess over the top and sanded / rounded the cylinder heads.
I used an old airbrush needle to press the strip down in between the cylinder pairs
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=169394)
I made three for each engine.
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=169395)
You may notice I added about 3 mm length to the nose. This is to match to the Datafile plans. The unmodified fuselage length is just right for a CL.III with a 180HP Mercedes engine if you plan on building that version.
Back to the Argus. I glued the cylinders to a thin strip of evergreen. Valves were constructed of very small Evergreen rod. Two per cylinder head.
Plumbing is a mix of evergreen rod and brass rod. I drilled holes into the cylinders for the brass water pump parts.
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=169396)
I punched small discs to simulate the exhaust attachment points and drilled holes for brass exhaust attachment.
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=169399)
Test fitting the engine and Spandau gun placement. The cut out for the Spandau is too big. I’ll be filling some in later.
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=169398)
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=169397)
That’s it for this weekend!
Thanks for looking in!
Tim
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Blimey Tim you don't hand a bout do you 8)
Lovin' the work so far. Keep it going
Paul
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I love seeing your progress Tim, it demystifies your work in an amazing way that's hard to explain.
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Great progress. Really like the corrections you're making!
Steve
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Amazing scratch built details Tim. Don't worry about how things look under magnification, it's the view to Mk I eyeballs that counts. That tiny scratch built engine is wonderful. Seriously impressive skills!
Richie
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I would not worry too much about imperfections in the interior detail as nobody will be able to see them when the fuselage is closed. On the other hand the engine will be seen and there is some seriously good scratch building there - first class and in the True Scale.
Stephen.
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I love seeing your progress Tim, it demystifies your work in an amazing way that's hard to explain.
What Zac said just above! ::)
Warren
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I love that engine! I cheated on mine and used a Choroszy one, same for the RE8 and Roland. I also got a few RAF1 engines for BE2s but they arrived with all the cylinders broken off!
Looking forward to more progress.
Ian
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Exterior and Wing Details:
After closing the fuselage halves and constructing the engines, I moved on to the wings and fuselage details. The CL.II had longer wings than the CL. IIIa.
Here’s how the Airfix wings measure up on the Datafile plans:
The leading edge of the upper wing is supposed to be straight. The lower wing has a 10 degree rear slant
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=170235)
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=170236)
I figured the best way to lengthen the wings would be to cut them at the attachment point of the solid center section. Then add Evergreen strips to each end.
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=170237)
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=170238)
I cut two lengths and glued them together
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=170239)
The entire center section is wooden, not fabric as the kit depicts.
The lower wing needs to be lengthened as well. I wanted to keep it in one piece so I will add card to the tips
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=170244)
I measured from the third rib from the tip and traced around it. Then moved the wing back 3/32 inch and traced it again
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=170245)
Cut out the pieces and be sure to add camber before attaching.
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=170246)
The CL-IIIa wings measure up well with the datafile plans.
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=170253)
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=170254)
The fuselage is very much too thin. I can’t fix this so will have to live with it.
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=170255)
Bottom of the CL-II :
I cut out the camera opening, added engine access hatches and puttied the wing attachment
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=170258)
I added an Aeroclub Spandau and made the exhaust from Strutz brass stock
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=170257)
Lastly I added the other engine access hatches and ammunition magazine for the Spandau
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=170256)
I’ll need to add engine louvres before priming for paint.
Thanks for looking in!
Tim
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I've never found the Hannover types terribly interesting but I'm very much enjoying your progress, Tim. It's fascinating to see the little additions and changes made to the base kit.
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Old-school styrene surgery!
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Lovely corrections Tim. It's so good to see old fashioned hand made skills put to use.
I'm looking forward to seeing how you add the engine louvres. I will be making notes. :)
Richie
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Richie,
I plan on using Archer 3-D printed louvres. The smallest ones are still too long so I’ll try to cut them with scissors. Hopefully they will not fracture.
Thanks,
Tim
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You so often seem to be having too much fun......
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Great work Tim! I sure wish we could still get stuff from Archer. :(
Warren
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Oh man! I had no idea Archer stopped all sales. That’s a big loss for our hobby.
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When the chemicals for dry transfers became either too expensive or unavailable he adjusted his game plan but finally decided to pack it in. I agree - a real loss to the hobby. There are are few cottage industries I wish were still around - Archer, Strutz, MV lenses to name a few.
Steve
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When the chemicals for dry transfers became either too expensive or unavailable he adjusted his game plan but finally decided to pack it in. I agree - a real loss to the hobby. There are are few cottage industries I wish were still around - Archer, Strutz, MV lenses to name a few.
Steve
Steve,
There's the dry transfer thing, but overall he, like a lot of others here of late, are facing old age, etc. and just decided to pack it in. :( It is a loss for us, and I hope some others pick up the slack.
Apologies for the thread drift on your wonderful build Tim.
Warren
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Warren,
No worries sir. Thanks
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Louvres, Radiators, Pippi Longstockings.
Louvres,
I cut some Archer resin louvres into smaller lengths then applied over a gloss coat. I sealed them with a thin coat of CA as well. These louvres are closer together than on the original aircraft therefore more of them. It still gives a better representation than the few the kit had.
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=170620)
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=170622)
I also put three on each underside engine access hatch.
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=170621)
Radiators,
I sanded off the kit radiator and plan to use one from the extra center wing section from a Roden Albatros kit.
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=170629)
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=170630)
Trace around the part and then cut out the section. Be sure to not remove plastic up to the lines. Start small and remove small sections till it drops in.
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=170633)
I added card stock framework and the underside damper made from Evergreen.
Also added the underside of the gravity fuel tank and cut out the hand holds.
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=170631)
Here’s the parts ready for
primer. I’ve already put one coat of primer on the fuselage and made small corrections. Mostly on the underside wing join.
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=170636)
Pippi Longstockings,
The new Datafile has strong evidence of the underside of some Hannover’s being painted in solid block sections. Most likely this was the same color match for the lower lozenge.
I have not seen anyone model this so maybe I’m the first?
Pretty gaudy colors!
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=170637)
Relax! Take a breath. I’ve toned it down with Tamiya Deck Tan
(https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/download/file.php?id=170638)
Looks closer to the Datafile color plate to the unassisted eye. What so you think of it?
Thanks for looking in!
Tim
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The Archer louvres look really good, I doubt anybody will grumble that there are too many. Very neat job dropping the replacement radiator and I love the paint scheme. With all the modifications and possibly a unique paint scheme you will have a real one off model. It's great to see this old kit being given so much respect and care.
Richie
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I agree with Richie on this -
Very clever detailing work on this one so far.
Regards
Dave
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Been watching your progress on this one with great interest - fabulous work and love the painted bands on the underside
Paul
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Really like your work on this old lady!
Never knew about Archer louvres, too late.
Tried to punch louvres with a small screwdriver and a hammer, but how to get them evenly spaced?
Joachim
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Lovely work Tim, I'm very impressed by how well your paint matches the reference!
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Tim,
That's brilliant work on both the louvers and the radiator. That paint and then thinned deck tan over it if fantastic IMHO.
Warren
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Got to agree with all of the above, especially the detailed additions that you are making. I also like the underside colours.
Stephen.
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Wing Work:
I decided to start working on the center wing section camouflage. This area was all hand painted on the original aircraft. I’ll try and match the colors of my latest decal purchase.
I only have Aviattic 4 color lozenge decals. My aircraft use the five color lozenge.
I ordered and received new 5 color lozenge decals from Quinta studios. I’ve never used them before but have read a few reviews. I understand they are quite translucent and not printed on white paper.
First I roughly drew out the pattern for the lower surfaces.
(https://attachment.tapatalk-cdn.com/45241/202303/2970975_731a4240ae66a4f51afa242f3f5c1537_t.jpeg)
My colors are as follows:
Lower Lozenge
Mauve: custom mix of Model Master paint
Dark blue: Tamiya Blue/Black
Green: Tamiya Sky and Medium Green 3:1
Tan: Tamiya dark Yellow
Orange/Brown: Testors light brown/ trainer yellow 1:1
Five color lozenge:
Mauve: custom mix of Model Master paint
Dark blue: Tamiya Blue/Black
Light Blue: Tamiya medium blue and white 2:1
Tan: Tamiya Dark Yellow
Green: Tamiya Sky and Medium Green 3:1
Painted the underside of the upper wing and lower tail section
(https://attachment.tapatalk-cdn.com/45241/202303/2970975_f6c037b75019b6ea913b7b873e47e863_t.jpeg)
Then colors toned down with dusting of Tamiya Deck Tan
(https://attachment.tapatalk-cdn.com/45241/202303/2970975_9cf09c7ea7c50fa1431563799bd24ad7_t.jpeg)
(https://attachment.tapatalk-cdn.com/45241/202303/2970975_3260c341874a66f527da74b985b36a9a_t.jpeg)
Five color painted on upper center wings.
The Hanover CL-II has been toned down with Tamiya medium blue overspray
The Hanover CL-IIIa toned down with Tamiya IJN Green
Both have a coat of Future floor polish. I need to mask and paint the yellow warning markers for the observer / gunner. This will protect the paint and hopefully prevent any paint lifting off with the mask
(https://attachment.tapatalk-cdn.com/45241/202303/2970975_29166da2b9da6ede1412733b31906d35_t.jpeg)
I’m bringing the fuselage sections and paint with me on my business trip this week. Hopefully I’ll have time to finish painting them.
Thanks for looking in!
Tim
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Just lovely work, Tim! Your handpainted lozenges look fantastic!
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I was able to cover a lot of ground this last weekend.
The fuselage of both aircraft was hand painted in irregular “hexagonal “ lozenge patterns. I matched the color to my Quinta lozenge decals as much as possible. Next I masked the undersides and oversprayed Tamiya dark green on the CL-IIIa and Tamiya medium blue on the CL-II
II
(https://attachment.tapatalk-cdn.com/45241/202304/2970975_cdc471775bef4164e194ea6fdd3bcfcb_t.jpeg)
(https://attachment.tapatalk-cdn.com/45241/202304/2970975_70b14661a03dc44c84c10761b36c66db_t.jpeg)
Next I masked and painted all flying surfaces flat white in preparation for the lozenge decals
I also sprayed a light coat of Future floor polish to gloss the surface.
(https://attachment.tapatalk-cdn.com/45241/202304/2970975_7f2dc534368469aa13b4a777b9ec4696_t.jpeg)
Then I got the bright idea to mask the ribs and spray Tamiya clear smoke to highlight the ribs under the translucent decals.
This was a lot of work and maybe not really necessary. We’ll have to see.
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(https://attachment.tapatalk-cdn.com/45241/202304/2970975_aff7433cef99808a14c0e41d04dd58a2_t.jpeg)
I did a heavy coat on the surfaces to be covered with decals, and a light coat on the clear doped underside of the CL-II
.(https://attachment.tapatalk-cdn.com/45241/202304/2970975_dd16faa1f601c3abda479e68261e42bd_t.jpeg)
I read a few decal reviews about these newer Quinta decals. The biggest thing to note is that they are transparent.
Here are my thoughts:
I’m liking the color when applied on white background. The lower rib pre shading is subtly noticeable.
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They are very translucent!
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I positioned one bolt over the other to see what it would look like if I cut rib tapes and applied them. I’m not sure I like the result. Pretty dark and transparent.
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Because of the transparency, you’ll need to make sure that the edges are level and not overlapping onto the upper surface. I’ll need to trim away some on the edge here:
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Here’s the upper lozenge rib tape overlay. Way too dark for
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The rib pre shading is not very noticeable on the upper surface.
CL-IIIa complete
(https://attachment.tapatalk-cdn.com/45241/202304/2970975_9ebbbb033e755244a9a0fae3970c61ac_t.jpeg)
The above image shows the leftover decal from two complete upper and one complete lower set. (I was able to complete both models)
(https://attachment.tapatalk-cdn.com/45241/202304/2970975_e10fc998e04dcb02582948394aff60a4_t.jpeg)
CL-II completed
(https://attachment.tapatalk-cdn.com/45241/202304/2970975_2d8980bc20929e9b5bc399e7f888d46e_t.jpeg)
(https://attachment.tapatalk-cdn.com/45241/202304/2970975_b8e7eaafb9ccaa6fe84746706e354bc9_t.jpeg)
My thoughts on the decals:
PROS
1. I really like the colors
2. They behave very nicely and conform to details well
3. Very thin and snuggle down with little to no need for softener.
4. Fairly resilient to tearing
5. Able to cut with scissors without edge damage
6. Affordable
Cons:
1. Very dark and transparent when overlapping
2. Unsure how I will create rib tapes
3. Need to be very careful with estimating how much coverage you need ( Not really a con just caution)
4 They don’t make a four color pattern yet!
Overall, I’m quite impressed with how well they work. I’ll definitely be using them on future projects.
Thanks for looking in!
Tim
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Thanks for the update. They're coming along nicely.
Steve
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More excellent work Tim, the lozenge decals look good but I love the handpainted section you did.
Richie
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Very good use of the transfers - they make finishing the model much easier than painting by hand as I did when the kit was first released!
Stephen.
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This is really impressive work!
For the rib tapes, maybe cutting up a sheet of these will work? These are not transparent. I think Aviattic also does lozenge bolts on white paper, but I found that sometimes after cutting the white edges of the decal sheet show up -could be me, though.
https://www.eduard.com/eduard/decals/aircraft/1-72/fokker-d-vii-5color-lozenge-1-72.html
Eduard also do a specific sheet with Fokker D.VII rib tapes, though perhaps the full lozenge sheet, if cut carefully, might work?
For other colours I used one of these Wingnut Wings rib tape sheets cut in half, but they only have blue/pink/linen.
Jeroen
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Rib Tapes:
I attempted to use the rib tapes from an Edward Fokker D-VII. The color is not a good match and they are quite shiny. Also they are not long enough to wrap all the way around the lower surface. I then tried cutting rib tapes from a sheet of Aviattic clear doped linen decal. I like the result but will need to exercise extreme caution when cutting to keep the width symmetrical. Also, I am unable to cut them as thin as the Edward strips so they will look a little bold.
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Neither of the aircraft ( (C. 13199, or Cl.3a 7005) had CDL rib tapes but at this point I’ll just have to live with it.
Thanks for looking in!
Tim
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Thanks to everyone for your generous comments and following my project. Your support means a lot and keeps my Mojo going!
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Simply wonderful work, all around Tim. I'm inspired by what you're doing.
Warren
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Airfix provides very basic landing gear for the Hannover. I decided to scratch build my own using brass rod and Contrail plastic airfoil. I measured the brass against the Datafile plans and the location holes on the kit fuselage.
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Added the stock airfoil I sanded the leading edge flat for better attachment to the brass.
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Then I applied PPP to the attachment joints and sanded after it dried.
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The Airfix wheels are correct diameter and well shaped. Only point is to remove the large discs from the rear surface and add the valve patch cover.
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These are ready for paint and lozenge decal.
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Next I turned my attention to the gun ring.
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I added the raised portion where the gun mount is located. This was sculpted with Milliput.
Thanks for looking in!
Tim
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Very nice work on those Airfix oldies!
Andreas
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Nice progress! Your patience on the rib tape process must be maxed (It would out max me)
Steve
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Another great update Tim, the scratched landing gear is going to be fantastic and surely far superior to the old kit parts. I love the attention to details, I wager not many would modify the wheels and add a valve patch.
You're tempting me into buying the reissue of the old Airfix Brisfit v Dr1 dogfight double. It looks like you have huge fun making these into up to date models.
Richie
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Rib Tapes:
I attempted to use the rib tapes from an Edward Fokker D-VII. The color is not a good match and they are quite shiny. Also they are not long enough to wrap all the way around the lower surface. I then tried cutting rib tapes from a sheet of Aviattic clear doped linen decal. I like the result but will need to exercise extreme caution when cutting to keep the width symmetrical. Also, I am unable to cut them as thin as the Edward strips so they will look a little bold.
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Neither of the aircraft ( (C. 13199, or Cl.3a 7005) had CDL rib tapes but at this point I’ll just have to live with it.
Thanks for looking in!
Tim
H Tim,
You said that you cut rib tapes from 'Aviattic' clear lozenge.
Whenever I've applied clear decals over existing decal, it results in the clear decal showing dark as it blends with the decal underneath.
Your photographs look as though you've used 'Aviattic' white backed decal, not clear backed, as the resultant rib tapes are bright.
Mike
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Thanks Mike. You are correct about the clear decal showing up very dark. I posted that effect earlier. The lozenge rib tapes in my last post are Edward white backed decal and the CDL ribs I cut from Aviattic white backing sheet. I would like to try Aviattic lozenge but only have the 4 color white backing decal sheet.
For this build I’ll continue to use the Aviattic CDL because frankly, I want to finish and move on to other projects. I like the Quinta decals but am put off due to the rib tape limitations. Unless they start printing on white film, I’ll probably switch to Aviattic.
Thanks again,
Tim
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Decals and on their legs:
After several very busy weeks at work, I managed to get a little more work done on my two Hannover machines.
Here is the Cl.-II:
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Decals are cobbled together from the scratch bin. The numeral 2 is Archer dry transfer on clear decal film.
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The fuselage cross is a little oversized but the best I had to offer.
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I’ll work on getting rid of the silvering next week.
Cl.-IIIa:
Decals are from the Print Scale Hannover sheet. They are very thin but have good integrity. The white is a little translucent but not as much as the Peddinghaus decals I’ve used in the past.
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I have been unable to get consistent rib tapes from the Aviattic sheet. Aviattic would probably be fine in larger scales but cannot be cut thin enough in 1/72. I was lucky enough to have a sheet of Ameical Gryphon alternative rib tapes to work with. I’ll finish them this weekend then contemplate the upper wing attachment.
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Thanks for looking in!
Tim
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Great progress here at the Hannover story. These models look awesome.
Andreas
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Excellent progress Tim, they are both looking wonderful. Can you detail how you get rid of decal silvering when you get to that stage? I have a feeling I'm going to need to know this skill in the near future.
Richie
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Hi Tim,
This is great modeling on such small scale kits.
Inspirational stuff,
Mike
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Both models are really looking good: the Airfix classic is being given some superb treatment here.
Stephen.
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Sharp work! They really look good!
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This looks great! Well done on these models!
/Fredrik
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Simply beautiful work Tim! I managed to get one sheet of those rib tapes from Dr. Merrill before he closed up shop, I sure wish I'd gotten more now.
Warren
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Catching up on your build has been a Pleasure Tim! Incredible Skills in all aspects of your builds. In particular the interior/engine scratch building, and wing corrections! Lovely Models!
RAGIII
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Excellent progress. They certainly are a far cry from the basic kit!
Steve
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Rib Tapes Completed:
I have finished the rib tapes on both aircraft. As I said before, neither one had CDL tapes but others of this type did. I was unable to find or cut any lozenge rib tapes that matched so went with this. The edges were hand painted. I like the look even if not completely accurate.
Hannover Cl.II
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Hannover Cl. IIIa
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I have added the fuel lines down the left cabane struts but probably won’t see them in these photos.
Ready to attach the upper wing now!
Thanks for looking in!
Tim
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I very much like the look of the CDL rib tapes too Tim. The photo with you holding the model really shows how small it is. That makes the hand painted lozenge section even more remarkable.
Richie
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Richie stole what I was going to say! I keep forgetting the scale until you put things into perspective, and I rather like the look of those tapes too. I'm admiring your freehand work on the edges - lovely stuff!
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I agree with Richie and Zac! Your free hand edges are amazing!! I have tried that and failed in 1/32nd scale :-[
RAGIII
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Parabellum MG
I’ve never used the Part photo etch Parabellum mg set before let’s see how they turn out.
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They actually are easier than I expected to assemble. Not sure how I’m going to add the ammunition belt yet
The stock needs a little putty to fill in the edges, l used Mr Surfacer 500.
Almost finished with this build
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Finished!
I’ll post more photos on the completed list.
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What a super pair of Hannovers - surprising that they are Airfix!
Stephen.
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My jaw is dropped after remembering those guns are 1/72. My goodness!!
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They look extraordinary!
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Awesome!
RAGIII
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Great results!
Steve
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Exquisite work, Tim - congrats on such beautiful models at such a tiny scale.
Cheers,
Gary
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Hi Tim,
Amazing work in such a small scale.
You've built a fine pair - 'HAWA',
Mike