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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => What's New => Topic started by: Dave W on December 24, 2022, 09:33:29 PM
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Folks
I have deleted the thread about the 1938 movie "Pour Le Merite" as the topic quickly veered into an unpleasant focus on Nazi propaganda films.
I know the member who posted the link to the movie wanted to draw our attention to the original WW1 aircraft that featured in the film. Unfortunately it has stirred up emotions so its safer to remove the thread.
I have been in hospital for the past month and face quite a few more weeks here dealing with a major health crisis. My apologies for not being as attentive to forum matters as I would wish to do. I am very grateful to the Mods, Lance, Brad and Zac for keeping the forum in good shape.
While in hospital I watched the "Pour Le Merite" movie whose Nazi propaganda theme was very obvious. I fast forwarded to the scenes of the Fokker DVII and Dr.1. It was interesting to see original WW1 aircraft in detail, rather than modern copies.
This forum celebrates those aircraft. We do not celebrate political ideologies.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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So sorry that you're laid up through the holidays, Dave. Wishing you a complete, rapid recovery and the best of fortunes in the new year.
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Thanks for taking down the post for me, I had no idea whatsoever THAT would happen.
Sad to hear you're in the hospital for the holidays, hope all the best for you.
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Sorry for your troubles, Dave. I wish you a quick and full recovery.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Really sorry to hear you are in hospital Dave.
Hope you recover soon, frustrated I can't do more than just wish the best.
Alan.
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So very sorry to hear of your health issues and hospital stay Dave. Prayers for your speedy and quick recovery.
Warren
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Dave, take care of yourself first. The rest will follow.
Steve
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Best wishes for a speedy recovery to full health, Dave. All the best.
Sandy
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Hey Dave
Take it easy, rest and recover -I missed the blow up anyway.
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All the best also from my side. A „maior health crisis“ doesn’t sound good. I wish you a speedy recovery.
Andreas
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First of all, have a quick recovery, Dave.
And secondly, thank you for keeping this place clean!
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Get well soon Dave.
We need you here,
Mike
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I'm sorry to hear of your health issues Dave. I hope you will recover soon. This forum isn't complete without you!
Willem
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sorry to hear about your health issues
A speedy recovery, Dave!
er me
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All the best to you, Dave! Get well soon!
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explanation is not good enough.
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Masterkamera
In what way is the explanation not enough? Please elaborate.
I am currently running the forum in hospital in a semi paralysed state. I need the forum to be supportive of members and non political.
I personally have no objection to old movies showing details of original WW1 aircraft.
What I cant or wont allow is for threads to veer wildly off topic into political arguments, and especially arguments over Nazi ideology which has no place on this forum, and never will have.
So with that in mind I invite you to expand on your post.
Happy new year
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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The excuse is unexcusable. You deleted a thread instead of the posts dealing with "political" things.
The excuse used means that a person can get any thread about ww2 german planes deleted simple for posting a link to something you deem political.
Hell, posting a link to any WW2 game would fall under the political threshold
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For someone concerned with the written word you use the non word - unexcusable - oh look a wiggly red line under it!! Any and everyone involved in that discussion agreed that it's removal was for the best but again you seem to be disagreeable for the sake of being disagreeable. I would like you to leave this forum but Dave, health issues and all, is far more tolerable of you. Choose your course.
Steve
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For someone concerned with the written word you use the non word - unexcusable - oh look a wiggly red line under it!! Any and everyone involved in that discussion agreed that it's removal was for the best but again you seem to be disagreeable for the sake of being disagreeable. I would like you to leave this forum but Dave, health issues and all, is far more tolerable of you. Choose your course.
Steve
Bravo Steve,
you said it very well,
it is difficult for non-Europeans to understand the burning issue of totalitarianism.
Happy new year from Greece.
Spyros
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Happy New Year Spyros. All the best for 2023.
Steve
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MasterKamera:
Fascist apologetics, along with grammatical incompetence, are simply inexcusable...
Jason
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MasterKamera,
You have overstayed your welcome. As far as I am concerned you are exused.
From this forum that is....
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Masterkamera
In response to your remarks, i deleted the thread rather than the individual posts because that was the quickest and easiest way for me to resolve this issue.
If i was at home I'd have time to address individual posts but running the forum from a cell phone in a hospital bed imposes some limitations on me.
As well as coping with a collapsed spine that may mean I never walk again, I am currently battling a raging infection with IV antibiotics.
If the original OP wants to repost the screen grabs from the 1938 movie I would be happy to see them here as reference images.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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Oh Dave! What a nightmare!
I don't know what to say other than I wish you very much strengh....
Warmest regards,
Willem
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masterKamera;
Dave has the patience of a saint, even when quite unwell. I am forming the view that you would prefer to test his patience and the patience of the moderating team, than actually be a productive member of this forum.
If you do not wish to be a productive member of this forum, then I invite you to leave.
If you wish to continue to be inflammatory and disrespectful to all and sundry then the moderating team will remove the decision for you.
This is not the first time you have been asked. This is your last warning.
BC
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aww how cute, you pull your political crap out when your proven to be in the wrong.
SO much for the "moderator staff" who apparently refused to do a damn thing, and instead made the man on deaths door do all of your dirty work. So sad that the moderator staff of another internet forum has proven itself to be completely useless.
Ill make your european views of tatalitarinism easier to understand..
if you were completely behind getting rid of that thread based on political views expressed, then why do ANY of you make models of ww2 german planes or vehicles? The fact of having a model with a swastika should leave you crying in the corner.
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aww how cute, you pull your political crap out when your proven to be in the wrong.
SO much for the "moderator staff" who apparently refused to do a damn thing, and instead made the man on deaths door do all of your dirty work. So sad that the moderator staff of another internet forum has proven itself to be completely useless.
Ill make your european views of tatalitarinism easier to understand..
if you were completely behind getting rid of that thread based on political views expressed, then why do ANY of you make models of ww2 german planes or vehicles? The fact of having a model with a swastika should leave you crying in the corner.
Thank you masterKamera; you have made our moderator job much easier.
Kindest regards,
Brad
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Folks
I am delighted to advise that the troll masterKamera has had his membership deleted and his name added to the ban list.
I wanted to give him a chance to discuss his venemous posts but he just used the opportunity to continue trolling and abusing us.
He can call me all the names he likes but when he attacks the Mods who keep our forum going, then its time to kick him out.
Happy new year to all our global family of WW1 modellers and thank you all so much for your support which right now means more than you can imagine. Heres to a fantastic 2023 for us all.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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Good riddance!
Let's get back to modelling guys & gall!
Willem
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Geez I almost felt like saying spelling and grammar sometimes goes up wrong, that’s ok. But the content was beyond the pale. Good riddance
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I browsed through this posts and at first I would like to wish you a quick and total recovery from these severe health issues again, Dave. That actually sounds bad and I am sure I wouldn’t have had the nerves to go on moderating this forum at all if I were in your situation. My deep respect for that.
Nevertheless I stumbled over this post:
Masterkamera
In response to your remarks, i deleted the thread rather than the individual posts because that was the quickest and easiest way for me to resolve this issue.
(…)
If the original OP wants to repost the screen grabs from the 1938 movie I would be happy to see them here as reference images.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
I am feeling addressed here, because I wrote many of these individual posts, so I would like to take the opportunity to clarify some things (before getting back to modelling, Sorry Willem ;)). There are not that many movies about WW1 aviation out there, but there are some. Each one has it’s own historical background and its reason for existence. There are mainly these movies done purely for entertainment like the most famous ‚Blue Max‘ or ‚Flyboys‘ which come to my mind. Some of these have also as a subtext a pacifist message like ‚The Red Baron‘ tries to give. And there are movies like Pour le Merite“ which is a product of pure Nazi propaganda. Not just subtext, but main focus.
Of course, and also from my side, scenes or stills from that movie could and even should be used as historical reference. Might even be the only actual reason for existence of such movies: Becoming historical sources. But that includes definitely full awareness of its true nature!
‚Pour le Mérite‘ was referred here without mentioning its problematic essence. Even more, it was phraised here as a „Classic“ that should be watched on full screen on a rainy day. And that shocked me. This was the reason for my moaning. Now I know the reason, as many members watched the action scenes without paying attention to the dialogues and its political program. (I can completely understand this: Transferring this to another comparable and not too dissimilar context, may be a Japanese movie that shows original Vals, Zeros and Kates, I am sure I would probably have done the same. I neither understand Japanese nor do I follow subtitles on Youtube too carefully, especially if my attention would be traced away by Vals, Zeros and Kates…).
However in my opinion reposting the screen grabs from the 1938 movie to see them here as reference images without mentioning the highly problematic essence of the movie, especially if the movie is phraised as a „classic“ in the same context, like it happened here, is highly problematic, too (at least for me a „classic“ is something of value that I would watch on a rainy day full screen with my kids).
Generally speaking, we all deal with killing machines here which were used to bring human beings to death. Building them as scale models is big fun, but my conviction is we shouldn’t forget that there is a historical background — and a very sad one — behind all those airplanes. This is true for WW1 aircraft and much more so for WW2 stuff given what happened in these days. But I am aware that talking about these background should not overwhelm the modeling content.
Happy new year to you all,
Andreas
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Thank you for clarifying your original point Andreas. The word "classic" may have been used instead of simply old. I'm old but I'm certainly not classic ;D Happy New Year and I'm looking forward to more great WWI models in 2023 but mostly I want Dave to make a full recovery!!
Steve
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Dave,
As others have said, I cannot imagine what you're going through at this time, and also trying to moderate a forum. Again, my prayers and thoughts speed your way for comfort and recovery.
Warren
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Dave,
So sorry to hear you are in the hospital. I too hope you get better soon and back to the things you love. Thank you (and others) for keeping this forum going.
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Oh my goodness. Dave I am so sorry to hear of your health issues. I, along with everybody else I am sure, wish you a full recovery and hope you are not in pain. You are a wonderful figurehead for this forum and work so hard, even from your hospital bed, to make it a good place to be.
Many thanks to the moderating team for removing that appalling, waste of oxygen from the forum. Is there any way of deleting every single post he ever made so he vanishes without trace?
Richie
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Get well and return Dave.
I am the original poster for the "Pour le Merite" movie. I'm sorry you're still having to beat this dead horse. Certainly not what you need to be paying attention to while trying to recuperate.