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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: Mike Norris on November 24, 2022, 10:25:09 PM
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Hi all,
As the Sopwith '5F.1 'Dolphin' build is getting close to completion, I've started preparing my next build.
This model will represent:
Nieuport XVII (17) C.1, Serial No: N1977 of N124 ‘Lafayette’ Escadrille during March 1917 and as flown by Sgt. Robert Soubiran.
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Background:
Robert Soubiran was born in France to Theodore and Clementine (Malapris) Soubiran, but grew up in New York City. As a young man, he had a knack for mechanical things and began
maintaining and racing automobiles with Ralph de Palma, the winner of the 1915 Indianapolis 500.
World War One:
On August 7, 1914, three days after Germany declared war against France, Soubiran enlisted in the French Foreign Legion in Paris and was among the first group of 43 American volunteers.
He served in the Chemin des Dames sector with other future Lafayette Escadrille pilots James Bach, Bert Hall, Kiffin Rockwell, Paul Rockwell, and William Thaw.
When the French became aware of his mechanical abilities, he was tasked to drive a threshing machine to harvest the wheat within the war zone.
Soubiran served with the 2nd Foreign Regiment in the Battle of Champagne and the 170th Line Infantry Regiment.
He was injured in October 1915 and spent four months recovering in the hospital.
While there, he applied and was accepted into France's Service Aeronautique.
He underwent aviation and gunnery training at Pau, Buc, and the G.D.E. earning his brevet flying a Caudron aircraft on the 27th of May1916 and graduated on the 20th of October,1916.
He joined the N124 Escadrille Americaine (‘Lafayette’) at Cachy in the Somme sector on the 22nd of October 1916.
A year later, on the 9th of November 1917, Soubiran received the French Croix de Guerre with Palm for an action on the 17th of October, 1917, when he received his first and only confirmed victory over an enemy aircraft.
His award citation read:
"An American enlisted since the beginning of the war in the Foreign Legion, where he took part in the combats in the Aisne in 1914 and in the Champagne attacks in 1915.
Wounded on the 19th of October 1915. Passed into the Aviation, he showed himself an excellent pilot, fulfilling with remarkable ardour the missions confided to him.
On the 17th of October 1917, while protecting an attack on Drachen’s (enemy observation balloons), forced an enemy to land out of control."
When the United States entered the war, Soubiran was transferred to the American 103rd Aero Squadron and commissioned as a Captain.
He flew combat patrols in the French built SPAD XIII.
He was then assigned as the 3rd Pursuit Group's Operations Officer.
On the 20th of August 1918, he married Ann-Marie Choudey in Langres, France with many of his Legionnaire and Lafayette Escadrille friends in attendance.
On the 18th of October 1918, he was assigned back to the 103rd Aero Squadron as its Commanding Officer and served there until the end of the war.
Soubiran accumulated over 400 hours of combat flight time in his 23 months with the French Air Service and in 10 months with the U.S. Air Service.
Post World War One:
On the 19th of April 1919, France made Captain Soubiran a Chevalier de la Legion d'Honneur and he was also awarded a second Palm to his Croix de Guerre.
This citation reads:
"American citizen enlisted in August 1914 in the Foreign Legion. Was distinguished in the infantry (wounded in September 1915), then as a pilot in the 'Escadrille Lafayette’, where he showed the highest qualities of courage and audacity."
Foot note:
Robert Soubiran owned a Kodak camera and photographed all aspects of life and death as an aviator during World War I.
Fellow squadron pilot James Normal Hall said that the ‘Lafayette Escadrille’ pilots have Soubiran to thank for the squadron's only complete photographic record.
Death:
Robert Soubiran died on the 4th of February 1949 and was buried next to wife, who died in 1982, in Pinelawn Military, East Farmingdale, Long Island, New York.
Mike
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Looking forward to this one.
Steve
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As I always say, "You can't have too many Nieuports". I'll enjoy watching this build.
Kevin
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As I always say, "You can't have too many Nieuports". I'll enjoy watching this build.
Hear hear, on both points!
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Hi all,
Just a couple of updates.
All of the parts have prepared with mould seams, 'flash' and sprue tags removed.
The tailplane/elevator seam was cut through to separate the tailplane from the elevator, leaving just the hinges intact.
The upper wing ailerons were drilled and pinned with 0.5 mm diameter Brass rod to enable them to be positioned,
Mike
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Looking forward to this one as well. What kit are you starting with?
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I wonder if Soubiran is an American simplification of the Provencal name Soubeyrans as exemplified in Marcel Pagnol's exquisite books Jean de Florette and Manon des Sources - and the glorious movies that followed from director Claude Berri. If you don't know these get to know them as soon as you can. They'll change your life.
Features a young Soubeyrans returning from La Grande Guerre.
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Looking forward to this one as well. What kit are you starting with?
Hi Tim,
It's the 'Copper State Models' Nieuport XVII kit 32002 later version.
It differed from the earlier version:
Removed clear acetate covering on the centre section of the upper wing
Single Vickers fuselage mounted machine gun
Different engine cowl
Oil tank repositioned
Windscreen changed
Modified wing leading edge ribs.
Mike
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Sandy, thanks for the literature suggestion. I will follow that up. Your previous recommendation was very good. Nice work Mike. Looks like another winner. I've noticed these Copper State XVII's have sky rocketed in price.
Steve
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Sandy, thanks for the literature suggestion. I will follow that up. Your previous recommendation was very good. Nice work Mike. Looks like another winner. Iève noticed these Copper State XVII's have sky rocketed in price.
Steve
Hi Steve,
Here in the UK the models are selling for around the original release price.
Ebay for between £68 and £80.
'Hannants' are selling them for around the same.
I bought mine when it was released and it cost £78,
Mike
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Mike if you`ll need any help I am here to assist
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Hi Edgar,
Thanks - good to know,
Mike
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Hi all,
The Le Rhone 9J engine is done.
The added ignition leads are 0.125 mm diameter copper wire.
The replaced valve push rods are 0.4 mm diameter Nickel-Silver tube.
Mike
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Hi all,
The wood effect parts have be prepared.
I used 'Windsor & Newton’ Griffin (Alkyd) Raw Sienna, Burnt Sienna and Van Dyke Brown oil paints to represent the different wood colours.
All will have weathering applied later once other details have been painted,
Mike
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Oh, that is a nice progress. I especially like the wood tones. Looking forward to see more.
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Wow, the engine looks great as well as the interior! Looking forward to seeing more.
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Hi all,
All of the internal fuselage parts have been painted.
Weather used was 'Flory Models' Dark Dirt fine clay wash, sealed with 'Alclad' Light Sheen (ALC311).
Now it's onto rigging the cockpit detail,
Mike
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Very nice progress!1
Steve
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Hi all,
Both cockpit side frames have been cross braced.
This was done using 0.08 mm diameter mono-filament with chemically blackened 0.4 mm diameter Brass tubes.
The turnbuckles are the 'Gaspatch' 1:48th scale resin Type C.
I used resin as opposed to the metal version as the cockpit rigging is not subject to tension.
Now onto the other rigging, including the rudder and elevator control cables,
Mike
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That is looking really nice! I'm tempted to get some of those Winsor&Newton oil paints to try out.
Cheers
Fredrik
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The master of detailing at work again...
Awesome work Mike!
Willem
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Hi all,
The rest of the cockpit pre-rigging is done.
Rudder and elevator control cables.
Cross bracing wires for the rear seat frame and lower rear of cockpit.
Now it's onto cockpit construction,
Mike
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That is looking really nice! I'm tempted to get some of those Winsor&Newton oil paints to try out.
Cheers
Fredrik
Hi Frederik,
These oil paints are easy to use.
No need to dry out the linseed oil from the paint first, as with traditional oil paints.
Just apply with a brush straight from the tube.
Then with a brush lightly moistened with white spirt, gently brush away the excess oil paint.
The paint will be dry enough to clear coat within 24 hours.
I use 'Alclad' Light Sheen (ALC311) but any clear coat of your choice is fine.
Mike
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Very nice colours and tones on the interior framing etc.
Steve
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Great looking progress Mike.
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Really looking great Mike. Makes Me want to do another 8)
RAGIII
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Hi all,
Cockpit assembly is done.
It's not the easiest cockpit to assemble.
The aileron control rods have hardly any location pegs into the base of the control column.
This mean that when cemented, they flop around as they have no other support.
Their tops also need to be aligned correctly to their exit slots in the fuselage top panel.
The carburettor air intake pipes are separate and need to be cemented onto the crankshaft.
Again, these need to be aligned correctly with their exit openings in the fuselage side panels.
As usual, much of the cockpit detail will not be seen on the completed model.
Especially the vertical/horizontal bracing wires and rudder/elevator control cables below the pilots seat.
Now it's onto completing the fuselage build,
Mike
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Very sharp details Mike. That looks great!
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Honestly, that looks 1:1 scale.....
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Beautifully done Mike!
RAGIII
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Great work on the different wood tones, Mike!
Best regards,
Tim
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Hi all,
Well the cockpit is now, as usual, mostly hidden now the fuselage has been assembled.
I've modified the fuselage top decking panel to accept the replacement 'GasPatch' Vickers machine gun.
This required trimming back the ammunition feed chute from the cockpit ammunition container.
Also widening and lengthening the locating slot in the decking panel.
So now onto the painting stage of Aluminium dope finish,
Mike
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Looking forward to the next post!!
Steve
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Hi all,
Weapons done.
The Lewis machine gun is the kit part.
The Vicker's machine gun is a 'Gaspatch' replacement,
Mike
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Lovely work on both Mike!
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Looks great!
Steve
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Excellent as always Mike!
RAGIII
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Hi all,
Moving on.
Airbrushed with 'Alclad' Duraluminium (ALC102).
Covered with 'Aviattic' clear linen effect decal, although against the Duralumium base coat it can barely been seen.
Airbrushed with 'Alclad' Light Sheen (ALC311).
Weathered with 'Flory Models' Dark Dirt clay wash then resealed.
Decals are a mix of kit supplied decals and the 'Kiwi Resin' Lafayette decal set.
So now it's onto pre-rigging before assembly,
Mike
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Really looking great Mike. Lovely finish!
RAGIII
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I think the linen effect is just about perfect. It's there without having an overpowering weave effect. All looks great.
Steve
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I totally agree about the linen decals. The subtle look is very realistic to me. Really like the Lafayette Indian head decal as well. Seems to have much more details that others I’ve seen. Looking great!
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Beautiful, lovely silver linen.
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Looks great, Mike, definately inspirational!
Honestly, expertly as they you've applied them, I'm not entirely conviced by the weave effect over silver, but that's just my personal opinion which does not detract from your work in any way!
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Looks great, Mike, definately inspirational!
Honestly, expertly as they you've applied them, I'm not entirely convinced by the weave effect over silver, but that's just my personal opinion which does not detract from your work in any way!
Yes I agree - as I said the effect is hardly visible, but I thought it worth trying.
Mike
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Nice handling of the silver, linen decals notwithstanding.
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Hi all,
Moving on.
The models has been pre-rigged with 0.08 and 0.12 mm diameter mono-filament with blackened 0.4 and 0.5 mm diameter Nickel-Silver tubes.
The landing gear, tailplane/elevator assembly with support struts, rudder and the interplane struts have all been fitted.
Next up is fitting the upper wing with its rear cabane struts then final rigging,
Mike
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Your Nieuport is really taking shape. All looks fantastic!
RAGIII
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Beautiful work.
Warren
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Hi all,
Upper wing with rear cabane struts fitted.
All inter wing rigging fitted using 0.12 mm diameter mono-filament and 0.4 and 0.5 mm diameter blackened Nickel-Silver tube.
Now it's onto the rear fuselage and the flight control rigging,
Mike
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Very good rigging work, Mike.
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Hi all,
Rudder and elevator control cables are now rigged.
Lewis machine gun and aileron control bell-cranks fitted.
Just the windscreen, extended loading handle for the Vickers machine gun, Lewis trigger cable and propeller to fit.
Then it's onto the figures,
Mike
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Hi all,
Windscreen assembly, Vickers extended cocking handle and the Lewis gun trigger cable added (0.2 mm diameter lead wire from 'Plus Model').
So just the figures to assemble and paint now.
Then wait for the display case and propeller to arrive (UK postal strikes permitting of course).
Mike
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The rigging looks Fantastic Mike!
RAGIII
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More excellent work!!
Steve
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Hi all,
The pilot and mechanic figures are finished now.
Apart from waiting the arrival of the display case and propeller, this build is finished.
I'll post the completed build eventually (postal strikes permitting).
Once again, thanks for your comments and support.
Now it's onto the Fokker E,IV build.
Take care and have yourselves a great Christmas,
Mike
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Great looking Nieuport and figures, best Holidays wishes for you and yours, postal strike notwithstanding !!!
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Hi all,
The pilot and mechanic figures are finished now.
Apart from waiting the arrival of the display case and propeller, this build is finished.
I'll post the completed build eventually (postal strikes permitting).
Once again, thanks for your comments and support.
Now it's onto the Fokker E,IV build.
Take care and have yourselves a great Christmas,
Mike
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Very nice progress! I am a little confused: Are these figures representing French aviation personnel or British postmen?
Andreas
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Hi Andreas,
Yes, I see the apparent similarity ;D
Judging by the lack of deliveries I'm having, more like our Postal service,
Mike
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Hi all,
Completed shots now up in the 'Completed Model' page,
Mike
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Beautiful work Mike!
Warren