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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: RAGIII on June 12, 2022, 08:09:05 AM
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I have been working on this kit for a while now and have waited to post. The way My builds have gone in the last couple of years I wanted to make sure I had a Good Feeling that this one would go well 8) The kit is being built "Mostly OOB". Exceptions would be some wound wire valve springs, stretched sprue plug wires, and a few PE parts added later.
RAGIII
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Interior installed and fuselage joined:
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I used WNW rib tape decals from a fokker DVII to give the impression of tapes on this kit. I then sprayed a grey to prme the surfaces:
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For the Silbergrau I used a mixture of Model Master Aluminum and Russian Flanker Grey. The Yellow Jasta 10 markings and tail are My Favorite mix of Tamiya yellow and red.
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A FB friend sent Me a PM with this book:
It Immediately changed My Mind on what color I wanted the stripe to be 8)
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Red stripe added as well as crosses:
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Finally...Upper wing Mounted:
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Great start!
Andreas
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Great start!
Andreas
Thanks Andreas!
RAGIII
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Gorgeous! That yellow is sublime! It'll look fantastic with the red stripe.
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Great progress, Rick. The yellow is exactly what I think would appear dark on orthochromatic film.
Did you have the usual bashed aileron tips with this kit. Pity they hadn't extended a bit of sprue to protect these as they move in box.
Onwards, mon ami - can never have too many Pfalzen!
Sandy
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This is going to be a beauty again Rick, and good to see you make such good progress.
I like the colour scheme you choce.
The yellow looks a bit orange-ish on the pictures though.
But it could also be that I need new reading glasses....
Willem
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Very very nice Pfalz Rick, and great example of what can be done with just a little added effort on these Roden Kits! Great scheme you've decided on as well and I really like your interpretation of the yellow, the slight orange hue really works well with that red stripe, well done! Looking forward to the final results.
Cheers,
Lance
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The red stripe is the way to go. Good starting post.
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Gorgeous! That yellow is sublime! It'll look fantastic with the red stripe.
Thanks Zac! I do like the red and yellow combination 8)
RAGIII
Great progress, Rick. The yellow is exactly what I think would appear dark on orthochromatic film.
Did you have the usual bashed aileron tips with this kit. Pity they hadn't extended a bit of sprue to protect these as they move in box.
Onwards, mon ami - can never have too many Pfalzen!
Sandy
Thanks Sandy. The yellow like I mentioned is My "Standard" Jasta 10 "Chrome Yellow" per all of the descriptions of the Jasta markings I have read. I agree about the Ortho film as in many photos of Jasta 10 aircraft the yellow looks very dark to the extent it is difficult to separate from red or black. Finally, yes, the tips were damaged on this one including the lower wing.
RAGIII
This is going to be a beauty again Rick, and good to see you make such good progress.
I like the colour scheme you choce.
The yellow looks a bit orange-ish on the pictures though.
But it could also be that I need new reading glasses....
Willem
Thanks Willem. As for the yellow see My answer to sandy. That being said who can say for sure what "Shade" of Yellow is correct ::)
RAGIII
Very very nice Pfalz Rick, and great example of what can be done with just a little added effort on these Roden Kits! Great scheme you've decided on as well and I really like your interpretation of the yellow, the slight orange hue really works well with that red stripe, well done! Looking forward to the final results.
Cheers,
Lance
Thanks Lance. I certainly haven't taken the kit to the level of the one Alexis is working on but I like where it is going 8) Like I said I do like the red and yellow together!
RAGIII
The red stripe is the way to go. Good starting post.
Thanks Ken, and I agree!
RAGIII
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Excellent Rick. Good to see that at least this far the gremlins have stayed away - i hope that you manage to keep them at bay too. Silbergrau is not an easy colour to get right - but you have IMHO.
Stephen.
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Excellent Rick. Good to see that at least this far the gremlins have stayed away - i hope that you manage to keep them at bay too. Silbergrau is not an easy colour to get right - but you have IMHO.
Stephen.
Thanks Stephen! The wings seem pretty solid right now but I think I will add just a drop of thin super glue to each strut location before rigging. Just to be sure ::)
RAGIII
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Off to a great start on your Pfalz, Rick -
Good idea for simulating ribs on the wings.
Regards
Dave
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Off to a great start on your Pfalz, Rick -
Good idea for simulating ribs on the wings.
Regards
Dave
Thanks Dave! and just Like the Sith there are always Two 8)
Roden OAW DIII Jasta 4 flown By Kurt Wusthoff:
Other than adding a few interior details there are two corrections I have made to the kit. The rudder is oversized as is the Radiator. I used the WNW parts to correct the kit rudder and directly replaced the Radiator with a sanded down to paper thinness WNW DV radiator. The rest is pretty much OOB. The PE radiator from the Part of Poland set shows how oversized the kit has the radiator.
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Wow that colour scheme is very striking. Fingers crossed for you Rick...
Stephen.
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Wow that colour scheme is very striking. Fingers crossed for you Rick...
Stephen.
Thanks Stephen. I did something rare for Me and went with a Pre Made color for German WW1 Mauve. In this case the OLD Polyscale color. Perhaps a bit too red but I like it. Since the photos were taken I have gone back and done some touch up on the tail feathers as well as attaching the elevator.
RAGIII
One More from the other side:
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PS: This aircraft had a lot of Stressed skin showing in photos. I have attempted to add that feature but it doesn't really show in My Poor Photos!
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Wow!! Suddenly a Pfalz. Great work and like everyone - love that scheme!! I had completely forgotten about poly scale. Some are asking $22 a bottle on ebay - crazy!!! Paint collectors??!!
Steve
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Both of your builds here are shaoping up nicely, Rick. The Silver-Grey on your Pfalz is spot on. A tough colour to get, and you've nailed it.
Cheers,
Gary
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Wow!! Suddenly a Pfalz. Great work and like everyone - love that scheme!! I had completely forgotten about poly scale. Some are asking $22 a bottle on ebay - crazy!!! Paint collectors??!!
Steve
Thanks Steve. I still have about 20 bottles of Polyscale and as Many of Floquil/ Aeromaster. Maybe I can trade them for a WNW kit ::)
RAGIII
Both of your builds here are shaoping up nicely, Rick. The Silver-Grey on your Pfalz is spot on. A tough colour to get, and you've nailed it.
Cheers,
Gary
Thanks Gary. I had a Tin of Xtra color Silbergrau gloss enamel I would have loved to use but didn't have a thinner that agreed with it. If anyone knows what commercial thinner works such as "Mineral Spirits" let me know as I have other colors I might use in the future.
RAGIII
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A small update on the Pfalz. I have added the prop. spinner and gear. I also have started a bit of the weathering ( light oil washes so far on one side. Lots More to do.
RAGIII
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I can see the subtle weathering on the port side. Nice!! Shows where the pilot enters and exits.
Steve
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It’s with airplanes like it is with children: it’s amazing when they stand on their own legs :)
Great job!
Andreas
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You have built two amazing looking aircraft Rick. I certainly like both the colour schemes you have chosen, but I must say that the Pfalz is my favorite!
Willem
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I can see the subtle weathering on the port side. Nice!! Shows where the pilot enters and exits.
Steve
Thanks Steve. Yes that is one place I have done just a "Tad" of weathering. I also did a bit around the access hatches.
RAGIII
It’s with airplanes like it is with children: it’s amazing when they stand on their own legs :)
Great job!
Andreas
That is very true Andreas! I hope to get the Albatros to the same point today!
RAGIII
You have built two amazing looking aircraft Rick. I certainly like both the colour schemes you have chosen, but I must say that the Pfalz is my favorite!
Willem
Thanks Willem. Right now I too favor the Pfalz. We shall see how it goes from here ::)
RAGIII
These arrived from Poland today:
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Thanks Buzby/ Artur. Funny thing here is that My Amigo Ed mailed some Roden crosses on the same Day from inside the US....and they haven't made it yet ::)
RAGIII
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RAGman, she's beautiful!! I think I'm in love...
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RAGman, she's beautiful!! I think I'm in love...
Thanks Zac! Here is the Albatros, gear legs attached and some rigging started 8)
RAGIII
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Both of your birds are looking excellent, Rick. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that no 'incidents' happen.
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Nice work - you have a factory going!! You've inspired me to pick up on my WNW Pup I started long ago. I love your energy and output of great models and want to REALLY take part in this forum. Thanks for the kick in the pants!!
Steve
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I agree with Ken: both models look first class - and I am not writing more so as not to encourage any gremlins!
Stephen.
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Beautimous Rick! Love your Silbergrau and I do love that series of books. I'll have to get your mix for that yellow one day.
WD
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Those are some beautiful looking birds there Rick!
BC
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Both of your birds are looking excellent, Rick. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that no 'incidents' happen.
Thanks Ken !
The Albatros has come close since I posted. One of the Cabanes bent and detached while I was trying to fix the bend. The rigging held things together so I was able to re attach it, although the somewhat better bend is still there :-[
RAGIII
Nice work - you have a factory going!! You've inspired me to pick up on my WNW Pup I started long ago. I love your energy and output of great models and want to REALLY take part in this forum. Thanks for the kick in the pants!!
Steve
Thanks Steve. I always Like to Hear that sometimes My work inspires others! I look forward to seeing your Pup!
RAGIII
I agree with Ken: both models look first class - and I am not writing more so as not to encourage any gremlins!
Stephen.
Thanks Stephen ;D
RAGIII
Beautimous Rick! Love your Silbergrau and I do love that series of books. I'll have to get your mix for that yellow one day.
WD
Thanks Warren. I will try to post photos of the mix in the future ::)
RAGIII
Those are some beautiful looking birds there Rick!
BC
Thanks Brad!
RAGIII
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The wheels and radiator piping have been added to the DIII.
RAGIII
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These are two great colourful builds, Rick! Really enjoyable to watch! I have an Albatross DIII on the back burner and I learned a lot from your build! Regards, Marc.
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These are two great colourful builds, Rick! Really enjoyable to watch! I have an Albatross DIII on the back burner and I learned a lot from your build! Regards, Marc.
Thanks Marc! I finished the Main riggi ng on the Albatros Yesterday and almost all of the Pfalz.
RAGIII
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Marc,
I don't know which Roden Albatros version you have but thought I would Post a list of changes I have made to the OAW version:
1. The Rudder is oversized. I used a WNW DV rudder and drawings to reduce the size and refine the shape.
2. The wing Radiator is oversized. I used a WNW DV radiator as a direct replacement ( required sanding off the kit radiator)
3. The radiator piping was the same as supplied for the centrally mounted Early DIII. I used one of the spare WNW pipes for the rear one and added a curved piece to the Roden part for the other.
Other Mods: ( Personal Choices)
4. I added some Valve springs using wound wire
5. I added Plug wires from sprue although they really can't be seen.
6. The kit interior represents a DI/ DII. I made a couple of small changes to better represent a DIII ( Mostly to the Stick and Rudder Controls )
7. Kurt Wusthoff's DIII showed a lot of stressed skin (Ply) so I used a Dremel and files on the fuselage. I kept it subtle and it doesn't really show in My Photos
8. I used rib tape decals from a WNW Fokker DVII to simulate the tapes.
One More Photo:
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RAGIII
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Nice work and thanks for the update list!!
Steve
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Nice work and thanks for the update list!!
Steve
Thanks Steve! One thing I forgot to mention about updates for the kit. The Engine supplied is the same as the DI and Early DIII. I am relatively certain that the DIII OAW used the same engine as later DV/Va Albatri. The Valve lifters should be offset rather than central. I totally forgot about this on My build!! Oh well not many would have noticed :-X
The Pfalz is Now Mostly rigged. I have lots of touch up to do then add the wing crosses and weathering.
RAGIII
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PS: I am also "Pretty Sure" that the Pfalz should also have offset Valve Lifters :-[
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Offset or no, she looks magnificent to me RAGman!
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I take your word regarding the offset valve lifters (I don't have a clue) but both your birds are progressing beautifully, Rick.
Regards
Dave
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Rick ,you've done a very good job on these two .I really like the red stripe on the Pfalz- it makes such a great difference to the all black markings!And the pinkish mauve sure looks interesting..I'll give that a try on my next Albi-build !
cheers
Mathias
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For a small fee we will all keep the valve situation our little secret.....she looks great!
Steve
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LOVE THAT PFALZ ! Oh my God !!!! she is stunning Rick :)
Alexis , more exciting then a tick on a coon hound !
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Offset or no, she looks magnificent to me RAGman!
Thanks Zac!
RAGIII
I take your word regarding the offset valve lifters (I don't have a clue) but both your birds are progressing beautifully, Rick.
Regards
Dave
I guess you will have to Trust Me...and Thanks Dave!
RAGIII
Rick ,you've done a very good job on these two .I really like the red stripe on the Pfalz- it makes such a great difference to the all black markings!And the pinkish mauve sure looks interesting..I'll give that a try on my next Albi-build !
cheers
Mathias
Thanks! The red stripe is indeed an improvement over previous theories 8) As for that Pinkish Mauve, see the last part of this post!
RAGIII
For a small fee we will all keep the valve situation our little secret.....she looks great!
Steve
SHH! What are you talking about ? 8)
RAGIII
LOVE THAT PFALZ ! Oh my God !!!! she is stunning Rick :)
Alexis , more exciting then a tick on a coon hound !
Thanks Alexis! Getting approval from the Queen of the Pfalz is always appreciated !
RAGIII
So now for a VERY SMALL update:
I have changed the color of the Albatros German Lilac/Mauve just a bit. The Polyscale color was considered very accurate in the Early 90's. I just couldn't wrap Myself totally around the color. So having discovered that Polyscale and Valejo seem to play well together I mixed some Intense blue from Valejo with the Polyscale Mauve. I then brushed a Thinned coat over the previously sprayed areas. This turned it a bit more Violet but left some of the Pinkish showing through. I think after some Oil Dot Filters to blend it in it will look great....or so I hope!
WNW crosses have been added to the upper wing on the Pfalz and Albatros:
RAGIII
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Brilliant about what you did with the mauve there Rick. As for oil dot filtering, I'd be interested to know the colors you're going to use for that. I plan on doing some oil dots on my current build, so it's a first for me.
I love all of your builds, you always build to a high standard, but that Pfalz . . . . oh my.
WD
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Great set of fighters for your collection Rich, very nicely! done!
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Looking excellent. The colour adjustment sure sounds like a gamble but it paid off!! Watching for the next installment.
Steve
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Two super models there Rick . More masterpieces to add to your collection.
Stephen.
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A lovely pair in the making, Rick.
I am looking forward to see them completed.
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An excellent looking duo -and I like the red stripe on the Pfalz as well!
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What a lovely pair of fighters! Beautifully done and the colour schemes of both really pop! An enjoyable thread, Rick! Regards, Marc.
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Great work Rick! Very inspiring - just what I need to get myself back to the building table...
Cheers Fredrik
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How's the oil dot filters coming along? It should be a significant enhancement to already great looking subjects.
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Brilliant about what you did with the mauve there Rick. As for oil dot filtering, I'd be interested to know the colors you're going to use for that. I plan on doing some oil dots on my current build, so it's a first for me.
I love all of your builds, you always build to a high standard, but that Pfalz . . . . oh my.
WD
Thanks Warren. I plan to start with My usual oils: White Yellow Ochre, Burnt umber, and black. Debating on adding a touch of red and blue on the Lilac areas?
RAGIII
Great set of fighters for your collection Rich, very nicely! done!
Thanks Grant!
RAGIII
Looking excellent. The colour adjustment sure sounds like a gamble but it paid off!! Watching for the next installment.
Steve
Thanks Steve. I didn't feel like masking so broke out the Hairy Stick ::) Worked pretty well, or at least I think so.
RAGIII
Two super models there Rick . More masterpieces to add to your collection.
Stephen.
Thanks Stephen. Not Masterpieces by any standard but I am Happy with them to Date 8)
RAGIII
A lovely pair in the making, Rick.
I am looking forward to see them completed.
Thanks Przemo!
RAGIII
An excellent looking duo -and I like the red stripe on the Pfalz as well!
Thanks Jeroen!
RAGIII
What a lovely pair of fighters! Beautifully done and the colour schemes of both really pop! An enjoyable thread, Rick! Regards, Marc.
Thanks for the Comments Marc!
RAGIII
Great work Rick! Very inspiring - just what I need to get myself back to the building table...
Cheers Fredrik
Thank You Fredrik! I am Happy that you feel Inspired, Now Get To Work ;D
RAGIII
How's the oil dot filters coming along? It should be a significant enhancement to already great looking subjects.
Thanks Ken. I haven't done the Oil Dot Stuff yet. Two Days of thinking about it/ Goofing Off!
RAGIII
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Weathering has been done on the Pfalz and Albatros. Just some touch up, a couple of wires, and final clear coats left to do on both:
RAGIII
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They are both looking great Rick! I very much like the distinct colour schemes.
Two more great additions to your already great collection!
I wonder what your next "pair" will be...
French? German? British? Italian?
;)
Willem
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I completely agree with Willem - two super models.
It seems likely to me that Rick will start with one model and then add the other two as he progresses.... any nationality optional!
Stephen.
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They are both looking great Rick! I very much like the distinct colour schemes.
Two more great additions to your already great collection!
I wonder what your next "pair" will be...
French? German? British? Italian?
;)
Thanks for the Comments! Truth Be Told I am Totally Out of WW1 Models in My Stash. So who knows!
RAGIII
I completely agree with Willem - two super models.
It seems likely to me that Rick will start with one model and then add the other two as he progresses.... any nationality optional!
Stephen.
Willem
Thanks Stephen....We Shall See!
RAGIII
So that being said I think I am finished with these two, although I am sure I will see something I missed once I Post in Completed Models :o
RAGIII
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Very nice looking models, Rick! I especially like the scheme you did on the Albatros - very attractive indeed.
Two great additions to your growing collection of completed models.
Cheers,
Gary
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Very nice looking models, Rick! I especially like the scheme you did on the Albatros - very attractive indeed.
Two great additions to your growing collection of completed models.
Cheers,
Gary
Thanks Gary. Now up in the Completed Models section:
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=13181.0
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Now up in the Completed Models section:
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=13181.0
Superlatives left there, but again - I love this Pfalz!
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Just beautiful Rick!
WD
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Oh my !
Alexis