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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: KiwiZac on December 12, 2021, 06:08:11 AM
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Hi all,
Well, after the excitement and thrill of winning an example of the Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) in the recent forum competition came its very quick (thank you Dave and the Australian and NZ postal services) arrival and my own unboxing. Having worked mostly with 1/72 kits in recent times I felt this had to wait a moment as I looked over the sprues. There are several (https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=12370.0) in-box (https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=12454.0) reviews and analyses (https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=12542.0) of this kit on the forum. In terms of detail it's between the other two large-scale WW1 aircraft builds I've had - the Revell 1/28 Fokker Dr.I and (much closer to) the Wingnut Wings 1/32 Sopwith Pup, which I have yet to finish for reasons I forget.
So yesterday I finally got out my Tamiya XF-60 Dark Yellow and based all the wooden interior parts! I also did the first coats of XF-1 Flat Black for Black and XF-16 Flat Aluminium for Roden's generic Steel. Since childhood I've been a believer in painting parts on the sprue where practical and this is no different.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51740700140_d09ef6136d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mQ9BwU)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2mQ9BwU) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
This morning I'm gathering reference photos from the beautifully restored airworthy SPAD XIII of the Memorial Flight (http://memorial.flight.free.fr/SpadXIII.html) in France and I can already see I'll be using some different colours than just those called out by Roden.
I'm leaning toward assembling the engine and leaving it out to display alongside as it doesn't seem like there are any panels which I can leave off and give any decent look at it. While painting engine components I noticed 13D
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51740462294_4f66fec9d3_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mQ8oQ7)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2mQ8oQ7) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
does not look as advertised in my copy:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51740711890_a265758bff_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mQ9F2u)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2mQ9F2u) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
If you look closely at the right-hand "arm" it looks bent. That's because I found that piece in the box and superglued it back on. I'll have to improvise the missing centre part. There is also a pipe piece which was almost broken off but I similarly saved that from oblivion.
From the get-go my plan has been to build B6732, the Royal Flying Corps machine, as I learned one of its pilots was New Zealander Lt J D Hewett:
Hewett, James Duff, 1891-1955
World War I pilot. Awarded the French Croix de Guerre with palm in 1918. Established Falcon Airways Ltd, using a De Havilland DH60G Moth, ZK-AAR. In Oct 1931, he made the first powered flight to Great Barrier Island. Pilot for Air Travel (N.Z.) Ltd in 1937. Educated at Wanganui Collegiate School. Apprenticed by Messrs. Holland and Gillett, engineers, of Auckland. Son of Robert Basil and Anna Hewett. Father of James Duff (Peter) Hewett (d 1941). Husband of Lynda Ellen Hewett. Formerly of Auckland, and later of Kilbirnie, Wellington. Died in 1955 aged 64 years
Source: National Library of New Zealand (https://natlib.govt.nz/records/22535619)
The key point that swung this for me was that Hewett - who shot down a German two-seater in this machine on February 19 1918 - went to Wanganui Collegiate School, which is in my home-(and current)town. You'd be silly not to, right? SPAD B6732 has some notoriety as one week after Hewett's victory Hauptmann Adolf Ritter von Tutschek of JG II in Fokker Dr.I 404/17 forced it down and pilot 2Lt. David Colquhoun Doyle was captured with a bullet injury to one toe. As a result of this there are several contemporary German photographs of this aircraft online and it has been fodder for profile artists and kitmakers in the century since. There have been drawings with the triangle, A and serial in white, one with all three outlined in red, and a few - including the road taken by Eduard and Roden - with just the serial outlined in red. That seems right because of this photo:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51739009577_c12fb43af1_b.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/gp/zacyates/KLRo0f)tumblr_pnfkg7lClp1rq1jaa_1280 (https://www.flickr.com/gp/zacyates/KLRo0f) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
However. As mentioned elsewhere on the forum the decals are less than ideal in several respects and initially I and a friend thought I'd been given a misprinted sheet! Imagine my surprise to see the same register and streaking issues on the other kits posted here. The biggest issue for me is the serial. You can clearly see a very fine outline in the above photo but this is what Roden supplies:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51740700075_2f995e79c3_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mQ9BvM)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2mQ9BvM) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
Even if they were in register the outline is too thick. Luckily I have a whole kit to build before this becomes a problem!
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Great to see another build of this kit started. It looks as though part 13D is either a short shot, or more likely broke during transit. I don't recall any issues with mine. As for the decals, yes they are pretty poor in most respects. You could see if Bob of Bobs' Buckles could help you out with stencils for painting? I am looking forward to your progress!
RAGIII
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As for the decals, yes they are pretty poor in most respects. You could see if Bob of Bobs' Buckles could help you out with stencils for painting?
That's a great idea! I've never used paint masks except for canopies so it would be another cool thing to try.
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Zac,
I agree with Rick, I'd say the center piece was broken off at some point. I took a quick look at my Review Copy and it's all there.
(https://i.imgur.com/1gmeKWb.jpg)
I'd bet a message to Roden for a replacement would work although it appears to be an easy scratch built repair as well. If I were a betting man I'd say some rough handling in transit was the problem; as I noted in my review mine arrived in a badly crushed box however appears undamaged. Just as Rick did I noted the same problems with the decals as have you, looks like it's a consistent condition and the only detraction to an otherwise nice looking Kit.
Cheers,
Lance
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Good start - this is clearly going to be a popular kit and I hope the first of many more in this scale.
Stephen.
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Given that it's such a small, simple piece I think I'll scratch it, I don't think I'll have any issues. I expect it was an in-transit issue so I don't hold Roden responsible, and given the madness of the postal system this time of year I won't bother them if there's a chance I can fix it on my own.
Just as Rick did I noted the same problems with the decals as have you, looks like it's a consistent condition and the only detraction to an otherwise nice looking Kit.
Cheers,
Lance
I totally agree - apart from the decals it is a gorgeous kit and I'm excited to get building.
More painting yesterday and I will start graining the various wood parts, and maybe start getting that Hispano-Suiza together...
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Hi Zac, if you enlarge the photo you posted above, the triangle and most likely the A ( looks like it to my eyes) are indeed outlined. Regards, Pete in RI
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Hi Zac, if you enlarge the photo you posted above, the triangle and most likely the A ( looks like it to my eyes) are indeed outlined. Regards, Pete in RI
Pete,
Could be but as I have some really good photos in several books of this aircraft I tend to "respectfully" disagree as to the outlining on the triangle and letter. Really Not Common on 23 squadron aircraft. JMHO,
RAGIII
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Hi Zac, if you enlarge the photo you posted above, the triangle and most likely the A ( looks like it to my eyes) are indeed outlined. Regards, Pete in RI
Pete,
Could be but as I have some really good photos in several books of this aircraft I tend to "respectfully" disagree as to the outlining on the triangle and letter. Really Not Common on 23 squadron aircraft. JMHO,
RAGIII
Zoomed in, I think I can see an outline to the triangle but not the A... here are the three photos I've found, cropped for emphasis (thank you Google Images):
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51747558244_dfaf9eec5a.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mQKLd5)B6732 crop 01 (https://flic.kr/p/2mQKLd5) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51746911131_8f14d329ff.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mQGrQX)B6732 crop 02 (https://flic.kr/p/2mQGrQX) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51747558294_ed3ab64192_w.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mQKLdW)B6732 crop 03 (https://flic.kr/p/2mQKLdW) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
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Just to show I've done more on this project than pore over three photos ;)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51747451228_0e74804339_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mQKdoY)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2mQKdoY) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
After doing the first pass of light woodgrain I noticed that, at least in the Memorial Flight's restored example which I'm using for reference, some of the members in the engine bay are metal rather than wood. So expect to see some of the brown disappear under silver. I've decided I'll build up the engine for separate display and button up the cowlings so the cylinder banks have gone together this morning.
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Nice!
Regarding the outlines, I found this (clearer) shot of one of your images which IMHO makes outlines on the A and triangle clearer. [edit] it's a different one, as Von Tutschek is now on the opposite side of the fuselage. Guess I didn't have my coffee yet!
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/a41b8f8ee612c14c9b61cce9ae912589/tumblr_pnfkhqiOXJ1rq1jaa_500.jpg)
There are more shots from where this came from: https://hjmarseille.tumblr.com/page/42 (scroll a bit down, it's a blog kind of site)
Note also that other than the thick outline of the serial number the font is also almost completely wrong :(
[edit again] I just noticed that the left and right s/n on the real aircraft aren't quite the same, too. ;D (look at the 6 and 3)
The fuselage stitching RAGIII mentioned earlier in his build is quite visible here, too.
Happy building! I've fondled mine too (got it for 'Sinterklaas') and apart from my decals looking poor as well it looks nice otherwise. I really hope someone will do some decent decals for SPADs...
Jeroen
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I have spent some time going over the photos in the Data File and The Blue Max Airmen Volume 9. The "Clearest" photos are actually in the Blue Max volume. In all of the photos the outline is quite clear on the serial number. In at least one I am certain that there is No Outline to the triangle or A. The fact that I have to "think" or "imagine" the outline on the A and triangle tells me there is none. The profile on the rear cover of the data file shows both just white. If I were doing this bird I would not outline the triangle or A. That being said sometimes we all see things differently and it is Your Model and Your decision! Either way it is an interesting scheme.
One interesting fact about this one and a few others operated by 23 squadron is the red leading edge on the rudder as seen on USAS SPADs. Apparently the French delivered them painted this way. On those that were re doped with the blue leading the large S and engine info is not present.
RAGIII
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Thanks for the link and info Jeroen (I didn't have those photos!), and thank you Rick for your helpful input.
Different fonts for the serials...another fun part of the puzzle! It could be my brain trying to fill-in but I could swear I see a tiny outline around the A in his photo...
Anyway, as I said all this is a long way from needing to be definitively sorted. Thank goodness! But any input is gratefully accepted.
I'm not sure how much I'll get done today due to the weather as rain tends to come in through my "ventilation" window but we shall see. I did get to do a little engine work yesterday as well before we had a thunderstorm that required battening-down of hatches.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51748029478_272599cef1_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mQNbhN)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2mQNbhN) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
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Good Start on the engine Zac. I found that My abilities caused me to end up with the cylinder banks not quite lined up properly. When I build another I plan to use the supports to get things aligned. Ken, on the other hand didn't have an issue ::)
RAGIII
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I found the oversized bases of the cylinders made getting alignment impossible. The cylinder banks would not seat onto the crankcase properly, hence the re-making of the cylinder bases on mine.
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I sanded the base of the banks to get rid of a mismatch in heights, but as I'm going OOB I just tried to smoodge them into place as best I could. I'm happy with the result although I expect I'll be doing some adjustments as it's not quite the right angle:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51750255702_e970531faa_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mQZA4Y)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2mQZA4Y) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
And then I found why they said to install 1Z, 11Z and 12Z together...one of the banks came loose when I installed the two pipes onto the cylinder banks and then tried to twist 1Z into place between them. Not ideal! The instructions are there for a reason, people ;)
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Ok, that will not help you ...
I have build a Hispano-Suiza for my Eduard SE.5a in 1/48 from Eduard. I was impressed by that time about the clever construction with inner cones on two cylinders. I was not possible to glue them in wrong angle ;D
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=9848.msg179512#msg179512
Cheers,
Frank
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I was impressed by that time about the clever construction with inner cones on two cylinders. I was not possible to glue them in wrong angle ;D
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=9848.msg179512#msg179512
Cheers,
Frank
That's clever engineering! I'm sure some extra prep work on my part would've helped avoid the alignment issue.
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Hi all,
Back from nearly a week away with the in-laws but tempered by the possibility a family member may have COVID and as I've shown some symptoms I had a test this morning. Not an experience I'd recommend. Even if I don't have it, I'm feeling extremely short of breath and tired after going in to get the test and visiting my parents' letterbox to collect our house key (they were kind enough to keep an eye on our cats while we were away).
Anyway, being home means being back at the bench. Hopefully I'll have some progress to share later this week.
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Hi all,
I just wanted to advise that despite the lack of posted progress this is still on my bench with high priority, however real life has got in the way of modelling somewhat. Nothing serious, just a budding non-modelling, non-Great War project hopefully beginning to bloom. Forgive me for being vague but all will be revealed in good time!
All that said, I don't think there's anything stopping me putting the cockpit and engine mount "pod" assembly together today...
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I did it team, I actually built something today! ;D
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51807295439_1aea04272c_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mW2VZH)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2mW2VZH) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
Definitely worth dry-fitting and sanding the engine mount parts otherwise things will be a bit out of whack, but I'm happy with how this is coming together.
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Nice progress Zac! I am looking forward to the next update!
RAGIII
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Thanks for the kind words Rick!
Well, I'm sorry to report I do have a minor amount of wing warping in my kit so I'll study recent guides on how to fix it:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51809031865_7dfea6b9a4_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mWbQb6)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2mWbQb6) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51808297531_0aa5f679ca_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mW84Ta)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2mW84Ta) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
Painting question: is the "floor" area wood, aluminium or just fabric? I don't mind painting over the woodgrain I've already done but I have a sneaking suspicion it should be CDL instead...
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The wood tone looks great and I think it's correct. Certainly Not CDL. I think there was a floor covering a fuel tank. If I am wrong that means I have 4 SPADs that are incorrect.
RAGIII
PS: I will need to check further because it looks as though I did that floor section in aluminum on My Roden kit. The memorial flight web site is a good reference.
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Nice progress Zac , can't help you on the type other then you do nice work . :)
Alexis
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Checked the Memorial flight web site. Looks ike wood to me.
RAGIII
(https://i.postimg.cc/DfPpbpXN/c5.jpg)
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Lovely progress there, Zac! I agree with your colours so far - quite plausible! The wings do need attention regarding the warp - lots of finger pressure, warm water and stressing on my part! Check my thread... Those seat belts in the photos are definitely not WW1 French... Nice work! Marc.
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Checked the Memorial flight web site. Looks ike wood to me.
RAGIII
(https://i.postimg.cc/DfPpbpXN/c5.jpg)
Thanks Rick, I saved a bunch of photos from their site (pre-, mid- and post-restoration) but somehow missed those two!
The wings do need attention regarding the warp - lots of finger pressure, warm water and stressing on my part!
I took the wing out from under my "jig" last night and the warp had only slightly cured - I didn't use any finger pressure, instead relying solely on hot water and the pressure from the cans' weight, so will try that today. Your post is a big help!!
Check my thread... Those seat belts in the photos are definitely not WW1 French...
While the Memorial Flight example is invaluable for interior colour reference I'll bow to your knowledge and follow your lead, Marc. Thanks for the heads up!
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I went with aluminum floors on my bird. I also came across SPADs that had pieces 3E made from aluminum and some from wood. I guess it depends on what company made it and when.
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I went with aluminum floors on my bird. I also came across SPADs that had pieces 3E made from aluminum and some from wood. I guess it depends on what company made it and when.
I seem to remember you and I exchanging PMs on this Ken and I think you are correct. In My opinion if doing a Kelner built bird like the Brits used the Memorial flight example is spot on. Not too sure about others but Bleriot may be the Aluminum floor.
RAGIII
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Great progress, Zac -
I'm really following this with real interest as I have this kit and will also build pretty much OOB myself. Good to have a heads up on building issues.
Regards
Dave
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Zac,
I really like the wood on the floor of the cockpit. It's all looking very good.
Stuart
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In My opinion if doing a Kelner built bird like the Brits used the Memorial flight example is spot on.
Then wood it shall stay. Thank you both!
Unfortunately my first attempt at straightening the wing wasn't as successful because I didn't realise I needed to use some force to bend the other way, rather than assume hot water + weight = flatness. I've just tried again and will check later on, and share a pic or two of my progress on other areas.
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Success!
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51814967948_0c92b37873_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mWHfLm)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2mWHfLm) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
I'm really following this with real interest as I have this kit and will also build pretty much OOB myself. Good to have a heads up on building issues.
Forewarned is forearmed! Be sure to check your upper wing and deal with it sooner rather than later, lest you have to suffer from fit issues when everything's ready for it to be put in place! I can only thank Marc for his advice. My wife said I was clever - I said it was his idea :)
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I'm very happy my ramblings could be of some help, Zac! Yes, lots of kits have warped wings, 3 WNW kits I can think of off-hand, and often older kits that are re-poped don't come so well moulded! I can even show you a few disasters where I've cracked a wing with over-enthusiastic bending... so I just glue and patch and carry on! So good to see your Spad progressing... Regards, Marc.
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The wings look nice and straight now Zac. I also think the interior floor and tank look terrific!
RAGIII
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Thank you gents! I'm pleased with how the de-warp process went. I have a Frog Canberra that will need special help on all four wing parts as well as both fuselage halves!!
And Rick: Facebook suggested you be my Friend, so keep an eye out for my request 8)
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Thank you gents! I'm pleased with how the de-warp process went. I have a Frog Canberra that will need special help on all four wing parts as well as both fuselage halves!!
And Rick: Facebook suggested you be my Friend, so keep an eye out for my request 8)
Just confirmed. I will send you a request from My other account on FB so don't refuse it ;D
RAGIII
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Just confirmed. I will send you a request from My other account on FB so don't refuse it ;D
RAGIII
I've had to deal with YouTube hackers recently so have been a little more security-conscious, but that face seemed trustworthy! ;D
Back to the SPAD, I'm looking to tackle the seat cushion today as well as some minor paint corrections around the cockpit. A friend sent me some goodies including wine cork foil for belts so I'll see if I can fashion some restraints. Rigging the rudder bar is also something I should be able to do today.
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Wings look good Zac , nice job on getting the wrap out .
Have you tried using your wife's hair drier for a heat source ? Works good for some wraps , just make sure you don't get paint on it if you decide to give it a whirl in the future . Oh yeah , don't use a heat gun !!!!!!!! The effects of that aren't very promising .
Alexis
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Somehow I have missed this Zac. This is coming on really fine - you seem to have sorted the wing warping out well. Just shows how problems like that are not confined to scratch builders. Some really good detail in the interior too.
Stephen.
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Thanks folks!
Alexis - good call! I know she has one but she tends to towel instead. Maybe we can negotiate...
Somehow I have missed this Zac. This is coming on really fine - you seem to have sorted the wing warping out well. Just shows how problems like that are not confined to scratch builders. Some really good detail in the interior too.
Stephen.
Thank you Stephen, such praise coming from you makes me feel quite humbled.
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Nice job on the wings. I see you had 'under the table' supervision.
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Great to see you coped with the bent wings. Watching with interest.
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Thanks guys!
I see you had 'under the table' supervision.
If I'm too focused on a build Kylo will go under there, put a paw on my foot, and stare at me for attention. I'm glad we trained him right in the ways of The Bench!
Progress has slowed a bit due to a couple of builds for a friend but the cockpit/engine mount assembly is in and the rudder bar rigged simply, some sanding required to fit. A seat cushion was then made from plasticine added and the seat itself glued into position immediately after the last photo was taken:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51827705854_b7026eaeca_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mXQxiq)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2mXQxiq) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51827705634_ba336e6f98_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mXQxeC)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2mXQxeC) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51825649822_35ffb5cdb7_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mXE17A)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2mXE17A) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
Some touchups needed for the cushion as I accidentally crushed it while installing the seat, then I'll set about modifying the left fuselage half to early specs following RAGIII's example.
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The cushion is outstanding Zac. The whole interior is looking awesome.
RAGIII
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The cushion is outstanding Zac. The whole interior is looking awesome.
RAGIII
Thank you very much, Rick! Even if my "upholstering" is crude it's better than a bare seat!
The next tasks are the aforementioned "early" fuselage side mods, painting and rigging the cockpit walls, and making some seatbelts.
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Yes, with this interior it starts to look like a SPAD!
Cheers,
Frank
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Looking nice!
Having tried to, ehh, sculpt seatbacks and cushions for my 1/32 A-6A I know how difficult that is! Looks nice and really adds a personal touch as well. :)
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Thank you both for your kind words!
Having tried to, ehh, sculpt seatbacks and cushions for my 1/32 A-6A I know how difficult that is! Looks nice and really adds a personal touch as well. :)
While plasticine may not be the ideal material due to its softness I'm pleased with the result. It does the job and will have belts draped over it anyway!
Speaking of which, I really need to get started on those...
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It does the job and will have belts draped over it anyway!
Speaking of which, I really need to get started on those...
And I did! I spent this morning with some wine cork foil, stretched sprue, one circular bit from my spares and some superglue, and - using the Memorial Flight's example as a prototype - am pleased with the results!
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51839363758_5e70351eab_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mYShML)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2mYShML) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51839310726_0329a35141_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mYS22q)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2mYS22q) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51839428168_6d9d11deb2_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mYSBWh)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2mYSBWh) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
The fuselage framing and prop have received some woodgrain, the former needs some touchups but here's the latter:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51838364457_41ccc6f284_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mYMaJr)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2mYMaJr) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
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Great progress, Zac -
Really good work on your seat harness!
Regards
Dave
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Great work on the belts Zac. The prop is also very well done. Your SPAD is looking excellent!
RAGIII
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Thank you both! My wife was very impressed with the belts, she's in awe of some of the detail work I get up to. I'm very pleased the work paid off.
I need to do another pass on the prop as I see in the photo a blank area on one leading edge, but I expect I'll be glossing it today after checking I don't need to paint any reinforcing strips.
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The seat cushion and other details are simply wonderful Zac. I have frequently wondered about how to make a cushion for my larger models - did not think of plasticine!
Another first class model in the making here.
Stephen.
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The seat cushion and other details are simply wonderful Zac. I have frequently wondered about how to make a cushion for my larger models - did not think of plasticine!
Another first class model in the making here.
Stephen.
Thank you Stephen, as I've said previously your praise makes me feel very grateful and humble. As for the Plasticine, it was just sitting there doing nothing so I figured why not? ;D
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I actually had some work this week, and sadly a funeral yesterday, so my bench time has been cut somewhat. However there has been progress on the SPAD - after doing woodgrain on the cockpit formers and stringers I made a mess of cleaning up the CDL areas, so I decided to try Humbrol Maskol in the affected areas:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51850341626_b704c3cab2_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mZQy8m)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2mZQy8m) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51850409518_b9ed332bea_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mZQUiU)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2mZQUiU) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
Some touchups are required but for a first attempt I think it went well! Now to tackle the panel on the port side that RAGIII identified as being a (late) version part.
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Airbrushing the integrated side structure is always a pain. I have never used maskol for it, I prefer to cut the masks, tedious job but works better for me. You have done a fine job, I am sure some touch ups will bring it all to glory.
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Airbrushing the integrated side structure is always a pain. I have never used maskol for it, I prefer to cut the masks, tedious job but works better for me. You have done a fine job, I am sure some touch ups will bring it all to glory.
Thank you Prze. An airbrush is on my wishlist and has been for many a year, but for now a good old-fashioned "hairy stick" does the job well ;)
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A little touch up and perhaps a wash around the edges and you will be all set Zac. NIce to see you progressing.
RAGIII
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Remember Zac that a small amount of irregularity on the edges of the wood will never be seen because there will be too little light in the cockpit of the completed model. I always use prepainted strip on my models as I do not have to work with moulded parts, but even so there are invariably small errors - but nobody ever sees them!
Stephen.
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Really liking how this is coming together Zac :)
Alexis
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Thank you folks!
Remember Zac that a small amount of irregularity on the edges of the wood will never be seen because there will be too little light in the cockpit of the completed model. I always use prepainted strip on my models as I do not have to work with moulded parts, but even so there are invariably small errors - but nobody ever sees them!
Stephen.
I am definitely intending to cheat - having done the interior framing twice I'm not keen to do a major repair, just enough so that what's visible through the cockpit looks about right!
I've never tried washes. I'm worried my models will turn out like those that look like the subject aircraft was stationed in a working coalmine...I think I'll try on some old disposable models before committing to it on something like this.
After my experience with Bob von Buckle's masks for my Lavochkin La-9 (posted here (https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=12665.0) in the forum), and given the less than ideal appearance of the kit decals, I'm keen to look at masks for the national markings and serial numbers. Can anyone suggest where one could get such things?
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Progress has progressed:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51866923961_b507dac9e9_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n2ixtF)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2n2ixtF) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51866923936_c77ab04de6_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n2ixtf)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2n2ixtf) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
The eagle-eyed amongst you may have noticed the lack of internal rigging. Sadly this was not intentional - I so got carried away with building that I didn't realise until the superglue I used on everything had well and truly set. I may try and add some tomorrow but I'm feeling a little disheartened over my "get it done-itis".
Speaking of, I didn't really heed the words of others regarding dry fitting:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51867575355_72cfffbeaf_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n2mT7B)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2n2mT7B) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
I need to take stock and figure a plan of attack.
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You're not the only one to get the 'get-it-done-itis'. Just do what you can on it. :D
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Nice progress on your SPAD. I am not certain what is fouling the fit but have confidence you will figure it out!
RAGIII
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Thanks Ken, it's reassuring but I thought I'd left this impatience behind with my childhood!
Rick, part of it may be the fuselage-to-wing mount - the "spar/floor" was standing proud so I had to cut and sand so the underside fairing would fit, but as to the rest...The frustrating thing is the ammunition box fits perfectly into the recess in the upper fuselage so i don't want to touch it!
A bit of patience and thinking ahead for me on this one. And possibly some careful disassembly.
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Hi Zac! At least you got some of the difficult assembly done! The fuselage halves are together and the fuselage top looks good - the dry fit you show looks exactly like the problems I faced myself! I tried in my thread to show all the places that have to be attacked (sometimes viciously) to ensure that fuselage top seats itself down in the right place! You may need to bend it (fore and aft) to seat it better too ... but please don't disassemble... this is the way the kit is! Chop that ammunition box if need be... feel no pain... it won't show at all... also don't worry about the internal rigging, a nice thought but scarcely visible... Your wood effect is certainly more than good enough so press on! Regards, Marc.
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It's these challenges which keeps us young Zac , sure the youngster within will find a solution . Looking sweet so far :)
Alexis
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Must agree with Alexis. It is model BUILDING after all...not just assembly. (ha, ha).
Kidding aside, looks darn good from here...Dan
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Thank you folks, you're all very kind! Monty, I'm so relieved we're in the same boat - I'm off to your build to see how you fixed it.
It is model BUILDING after all...not just assembly. (ha, ha).
I have rarely felt that sentiment more than when I dry-fitted the top!!
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I've recently made the same kind of mistake on most builds... closing the fuselage without intended internal rigging, closing up two(!) Jumo 004B jet engines without adding the forward fan or the exhaust parts at the back, not installing all parts in the cockpit before closing the fuselage... and so on. So, you're not alone! And next time it'll be a perfect build. 😀🤪
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Zac,
Looks really nice man, keep up the outstanding work.
Good quote from John Quincy Adams
"Patience and perseverance have a magical effect before which difficulties disappear and obstacles vanish"
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I've recently made the same kind of mistake on most builds... closing the fuselage without intended internal rigging, closing up two(!) Jumo 004B jet engines without adding the forward fan or the exhaust parts at the back, not installing all parts in the cockpit before closing the fuselage... and so on. So, you're not alone! And next time it'll be a perfect build. 😀🤪
Yeah, Me too on a way Off Topic Canadair Sabre build. I forgot to open the holes for the ordinance racks before gluing the wings together ::) Most of us have been in the position of Getting ot Done and Made mistakes. As ling as your fuselage top wasn't glued on a bit of stretched sprue can be added....if you want to ::)
RAGIII
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Thank you for the kind words everyone! Work's been called off for today so I'll see what I can do to make it fit.
Good quote from John Quincy Adams
"Patience and perseverance have a magical effect before which difficulties disappear and obstacles vanish"
I like that a lot :)
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I don't want to look a gift SPAD in the mouth but lil B6732 will be taking a hiatus while I tackle some other projects. I'll be honest in that the fit issue took the wind out of my sails somewhat but seeing that Monty had an identical issue makes it easier to swallow. I just need to take some space and time to think and plan.
But to paraphrase the immortal words of the T-800 Terminator: We'll be back!
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Although in a Way I am sorry to hear you are stepping away from your SPAD build, sometimes We All have to do just that! I will certainly follow your build when you return to the thread.
RAGIII
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I just need a day or two to contemplate my next steps. The build will continue!
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No worries Zac , we all have had that happen with builds and the best part of it all , we will be here waiting for up-dates :)
Alexis
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we will be here waiting for up-dates :)
No pressure then? ;D
I've unexpectedly been called into work over the past few days but tomorrow is free for SPADing! Expect some positive progress over the weekend. 8)
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With thanks to Monty for his build thread and to another member for their PMs of guidance and wisdom, success!
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51886789027_2a959b8ecd_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n44mEP)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2n44mEP) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51886789017_c20a3a3418_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n44mED)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2n44mED) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
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Great to see you were able to get the top on Zac! I am looking forward to further progress.
RAGIII
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Thanks Rick! Unfortunately we have had some very foul weather this weekend so it'll be difficult to get sufficient ventilation for glue fumes etc, but I'll see what I can manage
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;D , I knew you could do it Zac , right on and good for you !
Cheers mate !
Alexis
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It's good to see progress on this, Zac. Looking forward to seeing more.
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Hey! Great stuff, Zac! I'm glad you overcame those issues and made a great job of it! I'm very happy to be of help - but now you have almost caught up to me! I note you don't have the wingtips on yet, but if you carefully trim and sand the mating surfaces you can end up with a lovely join that needs only a smear of putty.... Regards, Marc.
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Thank you all! It was a wonderful feeling when things finally lined up! There is an overhang on the rear fuselage but careful sanding should take care of that.
Hey! Great stuff, Zac! I'm glad you overcame those issues and made a great job of it! I'm very happy to be of help - but now you have almost caught up to me! I note you don't have the wingtips on yet, but if you carefully trim and sand the mating surfaces you can end up with a lovely join that needs only a smear of putty.... Regards, Marc.
You're about 36hr too late! But I may yet remove them and try again - I had resigned myself to some filler but not yet committed.
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So pleased you've successfully overcome this midstream setback (the kind I am very aware of!) and wrestled order out of chaos. I'll keep your build in hand for my attempt at some stage in the future. Looking excellent now and every inch a SPAD!
Sandy
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Thank you Sandy, you're too kind!
I note you don't have the wingtips on yet, but if you carefully trim and sand the mating surfaces you can end up with a lovely join that needs only a smear of putty.... Regards, Marc.
You're about 36hr too late! But I may yet remove them and try again - I had resigned myself to some filler but not yet committed.
Marc's advice will be heeded...albeit during round two! ;D Here's "version one" of the lower wingtips:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51896410417_dbe81223b1_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n4UELR)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2n4UELR) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51896410407_cf768cc5ba_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n4UELF)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2n4UELF) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
Removing, sanding and dry-fitting these and the top wing's tips will be the next job, along with sorting out the top fuselage overhang (pics to follow when I do same) 8)
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Good to see more progress. I don't remember how much work and filling I did on the tips. I admire that you are going to go back, separate, and fix the fit. I would have just filled and sanded !
RAGIII
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Good to see more progress. I don't remember how much work and filling I did on the tips. I admire that you are going to go back, separate, and fix the fit. I would have just filled and sanded !
RAGIII
Well, funny you should say that... :-[
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51902484015_a1d205333f_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n5rNf4)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2n5rNf4) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
It seems my Revell Contacta cement was stronger than I anticipated and when I tried to remove them I felt I was going to break something! So today I'll be filling, sanding and repeating until I'm happy.
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Probably not too bad of a solution Zac!
RAGIII
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So what's with the star wars lazer guns for ?
Kinda of wrong time period you know ;)
Alexis
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I have been away and failed to drop by recently, and suddenly there is a monoplane ready for painting! Looks as though you have everything well under control here Zac - the wingtips and wing alignment problems are well on the way to being rectified.
Stephen.
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Just glue the top wing tips on before attaching the wing to the model!
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Just glue the top wing tips on before attaching the wing to the model!
Wise advice and just the plan I was going to follow! ;)
I have been away and failed to drop by recently, and suddenly there is a monoplane ready for painting! Looks as though you have everything well under control here Zac - the wingtips and wing alignment problems are well on the way to being rectified.
Stephen.
After everyone's advice and prior experience I'm feeling a lot more confident. Thank you for the kind words!
So what's with the star wars lazer guns for ?
Kinda of wrong time period you know ;)
Alexis
It's a little-known mod the USAS introduced in September 1918 ;D I'm building a Han Solo vinyl figure, I'll put a thread up in The World Of Scale Models thread.
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More sanding and filling, hopefully I'll have a nice photo or two to share later today after some appointments.
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Will be waiting with excitement !
Alexis
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Well it's not exciting, but at least it's progress! I'm happy with the lower wing:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51910412589_6d8afc5606_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n69r8B)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2n69r8B) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
I installed the turtledeck incorrectly so there's an overhang, some more work to do there:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51910412514_ca8f6d58a5_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n69r7j)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2n69r7j) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51909123737_21db50cc7e_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n62Q12)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2n62Q12) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
And the top wing is going together with slightly askew ailerons to match the stick:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51910737920_e544bd501e_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n6b6QL)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2n6b6QL) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
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Excellent work on taming the beast Zac
Alexis
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Progress is Progress ::) Looks as though sanding is in your future!
RAGIII
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Thank you Alexis!
Progress is Progress ::)
Ack! Hoisted by my own petard! ;D
Looks as though sanding is in your future!
Fortunately I have the requisite time and patience! Hopefully I can share some proper progress photos later today.
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Putty, sand, repeat...but it's my fault, not the kit's! I didn't insert the upper fuselage part, rather positioning it atop the sides, resulting in an overhang that is fortunately proving simple enough to fix.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51916539251_ba93829722_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n6FQnH)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2n6FQnH) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
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Thumbs up Zac !
Alexis
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You are getting there Zac.
RAGIII
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I apologise for the lack of progress, I had to go to the hospital due to my back injury flaring up. Hopefully I'll have something to show off later today.
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No worries Zac , heal up first
Alexis
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No worries Zac , heal up first
Thank you Alexis, fortunately I've been prescribed a bunch of medication and at least one is working!
So, I figured I was done with the wingtips so after a final sand touched up the paint:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51923854277_1732de0443_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n7kjSR)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2n7kjSR) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51924830286_02bdd67d38_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n7qk1A)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2n7qk1A) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
But look closer and you can see I was a bit hasty...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51925164029_65a4aa6bc6_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n7s3dM)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2n7s3dM) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51925458665_e16c824087_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n7txNH)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2n7txNH) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
Say it with me, folks! "Putty! Sand! Repeat!"
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Keep at it Zac, you will eventually get where you need to be!
RAGIII
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I hope that the painkillers are helping with your back Zac - nothing worse than constant back pain.
Looking at the wingtip I agree that you may have been a bit hasty - but that is what primer is for. Not too far to go though - just grit your teeth and sand, fill, sand, etc!
Stephen.
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Thanks gents! It's looking much better now.
I hope that the painkillers are helping with your back Zac - nothing worse than constant back pain.
It's a combination of meds and careful pillow placement while sleeping. I'm getting used to it and fortunately I haven't had any further "twinges".
Looking at the wingtip I agree that you may have been a bit hasty - but that is what primer is for.
I hate to admit it among such company but I don't use primer! I have some on backorder at my LHS though.
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The depressed lines in the seam area may not be your fault, Zac. I don't usually use solvent based putty for that very reason. It shrinks as the solvent evaporates, which can take a month or so. I use thick CA glue or Milliput epoxy putty.
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The depressed lines in the seam area may not be your fault, Zac. [...]
Thanks Ken, but in this case I think it was down to poor application and excessive haste! The bigger issue was the "blobs" of unsanded filler around the affected areas, which has now been taken care of to my satisfaction (I don't want to get bogged down seeking perfection):
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51929317262_5e8ef45d17_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n7PjQf)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2n7PjQf) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
The apparently poor paint job on the lower right wing is actually my shadow!
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Well, I think it DOES look perfect Zac!
Willem
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Thumbs up Zac :)
Alexis
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Glad to see you have made it to a place you are happy with Zac! Looking good to My eyes.
RAGIII
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Thank you folks, you made me smile! Now to look at what's next...
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Looking good, Zac! At least you have paint on! And please take care of your back, it's the only one you've got! I do like the colour of your linen, though! Regards, Marc.
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I do like the colour of your linen, though!
Tamiya XF-55 Deck Tan acrylic, brushed on over bare plastic. Hasn't failed me yet! 8)
And please take care of your back, it's the only one you've got!
On top of that, yesterday my wife was told she's a close contact of a COVID-19 case... :-\
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Great looking work, Zac! I too 'love' finding more things to sand once the paint is on.
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I too 'love' finding more things to sand once the paint is on.
It's one of the true joys of my life! ::) A lot of it is honestly down to me rushing this build. Having taken a day or two to work on the wingtips and fuselage uppers has reminded me of how important parts prep is on a kit like this - the last few kits I've done have been New Airfix and the like so this was a delayed shock to the system. Not at all an indictment on Roden's kit but of my own enthusiasm to "git 'er done".
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I have to be honest and admit that with our ongoing (no positive tests or symptoms by March 28 = we're good) COVID scare I simply haven't felt up to working at The Bench...or much else beyond reading or watching YouTube etc.
However, today that changes!
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51946703124_cf62879c50_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n9mr3u)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2n9mr3u) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51946722264_e68693df93_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n9mwJu)Roden SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2n9mwJu) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
There was evidence of a mould misalignment that required a little sanding on the leading edge of the horizontal stabiliser and careful scraping of the trailing edge, and some light drilling for the mounting holes. The notches on the elevator also needed to be opened up a bit after some dryfitting. Before the vertical stab goes on I have a bit of PSR for where the hori stab meets the turtledeck.
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Looks good. I feel dumb asking... What's PSR?
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Great to see you progressing. The extra care you are using on cleaning up the mold seams on the fin and stabilizer will make a big difference.
RAGIII
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Thanks Rick, I saw the lip during dry-fitting and over-sanded it - knowing I could make up the difference with a bit of filler (Vallejo's white plastic putty stuff).
Looks good. I feel dumb asking... What's PSR?
A term I learned as a teenager on the WhatIfModellers forum - Putty, Sand, Repeat!
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This is certainly taking shape well.
I do like the PSR - a term that is new to me but certainly one I know from experience!!!
I have not had a covid scare but I still feel as you did with regard to modelling - no mojo.
Stephen.
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We've had some nasty weather lately meaning I couldn't open the hobby room windows for fear of being drenched or blown away, but I did manage a small bit of progress - the vertical stabiliser is on! It seems the storm has passed by and the sun is out so hopefully this weekend will be more productive than the last week has been.
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Progress!
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51976093339_a131c350d6_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nbX4Jk)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2nbX4Jk) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
Unfortunately it's been slow as I don't have many of the paint colours required for the distinctive French camouflage (as you see the black is the only one applied so far!), however on Monday I start a new, better-paying job with fixed hours so in a couple of weeks I'll be able to get underway again!
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One color is a start Zac!
RAGIII
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Well, even a little progress is still progress Zac, I wish I could say the same.
My hands are itching, but I simply don't have the space or the time at the moment.
Luckily there is more than enough beautiful builds on this forum to enjoy myself.
Willem
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One color is a start Zac!
RAGIII
Agreed, Rick!
Luckily there is more than enough beautiful builds on this forum to enjoy myself.
That's a good way to look at it Willem :)
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Glad to see you back at the bench, Zac -
Lovely progress and it is starting to look like an aircraft now
Regards
Dave
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Great progress Zac!
I'm looking at the Roden SPADs myself, so a useful build.
A method I use for puttying difficult areas, particularly fine gaps, or where sanding can be problematic, I use Green Stuff World Green Putty:
https://www.greenstuffworld.com/en/green-stuff/1220-green-putty.html (https://www.greenstuffworld.com/en/green-stuff/1220-green-putty.html)
That putty is super fine and the best thing is that it's water based. So you can apply it, then wipe off excess with a slightly damp sponge, cloth or cotton bud wetted with water. I found that you can even thin it with a few drops of water and use a syringe with needle to apply carefully into gaps. Then clean up is really minimal. I get it to the consistency of milk (or thinner depending on application) in a small container, then pour it down a syringe with plunger off, then put the plunger back on.
Syringes (you need the ones with needles) for this purpose can easily found cheaply on eBay:
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/353910905065?hash=item5266bbd8e9:g:T4gAAOSwWnViCe1n (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/353910905065?hash=item5266bbd8e9:g:T4gAAOSwWnViCe1n)
Take care,
Peter
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Thanks for the kind words Dave and Peter, and again to Peter for the Green Stuff idea!
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Progress is progress , Hmmmm I seem to have heard that somewhere before , now where was that ......
Looking really good so far Zac and I do look forward on the rest of the camo and congrats on the new job !
Alexis
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Just another note on the Green Stuff putty, as I mentioned, you can thin it considerably with water. As such, you can also paint it with a fine brush into cracks and gaps as an alternative to using a syringe.
See this video for a demonstration of thinning with water and painting it into gaps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD0e9N97auc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD0e9N97auc)
The drying time is reasonable fast though depending on temperature and humidity. Once set, I don't think it can be reconstituted with water...but I haven't tried it. It can be sanded very easily though, more so than Tamiya Extra Fine white in my experience.
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Progress is progress , Hmmmm I seem to have heard that somewhere before , now where was that ......
;D ;D
Thank you! It's the same kind of work but fixed hours, which will be a real boon to our situation. However we are dependent on the weather and it's looking awfully grey and wet in the predawn darkness...
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Thanks to a forumite (I don't wish to embarrass them) I have masks to replace the sub-par kit decals, however at the moment this kit is on the backburner while I source paint. I'm excited to continue but I need to get my affairs in order and sort out some paint - fear not, this SPAD will return!
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Bump!!
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52291076598_4374dda003_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nEMrhb)Roden 1/32 SPAD XIII c.1 (early) (https://flic.kr/p/2nEMrhb) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
Unfortunately my local shop was out of XF-59 so I'm hoping I can find some elsewhere...and need to pick up the XF-65 I forgot! But my goodness it feels good to be putting paint on this!
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Looking good Zac! I love how the SPAD looks, In any colors! I hope you find the missing color soon.
RAGIII
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Zac... Modelair in Auckland is showing XF59 as in stock. Also XF65.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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Lovely, Zac -
Your spad is starting to come to life with some colour on
Regards
Dave
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It's great to see the colour on your Spad, Zac! I must get mine out and continue.... Regards, Marc.
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Thank you folks! It's great to get the paint on, and to watch it hide some sins ;D
Zac... Modelair in Auckland is showing XF59 as in stock. Also XF65.
Thank you Dave, it turns out our other local shop (which I keep forgetting exists) had them both. Victory!
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Unfortunately paint has revealed some less-than-awesome putty work so I'm going to tackle that - all my own doing as I was in such a rush to build the kit. Stay tuned!