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Title: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on October 29, 2021, 09:56:52 AM
Hi all,
The next build will hopefully be a French Salmson 2-A2, Serial number 381, of Escadrille SAL 28.
No reason other than I like the unit's elephant marking,

Mike

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/header.jpg)
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: RAGIII on October 29, 2021, 11:15:10 AM
I am really looking forward to this build. The Salmson was one my favorite WNW builds. It's a great kit.
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: rhwinter on October 29, 2021, 03:30:21 PM
Mike, this is (once again) something to look forward to! I really like the Salmson.
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on October 29, 2021, 08:09:21 PM
Hi all,
Thanks.
As you can see in the photograph, this aircraft had front and rear twin flying and landing wires between each wing bay.
These were held together by wood strip inserts between each pair of wires and wrapped to secure them in place.
Representing those wires will be an interesting exercise,

Mike
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Alexis on November 01, 2021, 06:39:09 AM
Looking forward to this one Mike !


Alexis
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: ViperDriver on November 01, 2021, 08:09:17 AM
Just finished this bird a few months ago! Absolutely loved the build, and the schemes make for some colorful, sharp looking aircraft! 
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on November 03, 2021, 05:25:37 AM
Hi all,
The basic engine is complete.
I've added the ignition harnesses to the two rear mounted magnetos.
Also the twin ignition leads from the circular support tube to the twin sparks plugs on each of the nine cylinders.
The radiator shutters are being modeled as open,

Mike

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/engdone1.jpg)

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/engdone2.jpg)

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/engdone3.jpg)

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/engdone4.jpg)
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: RAGIII on November 03, 2021, 06:01:35 AM
Gorgeous engine! You are bringing back fond memories!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: gbrivio on November 03, 2021, 07:31:41 AM
Great engine, looking forward to next steps of your build of this interesting subject.
Ciao
Giuseppe
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: rhwinter on November 03, 2021, 04:29:52 PM
Beautiful!
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: DaveB on November 03, 2021, 06:13:26 PM
Nice start and lovely work on your engine, Mike

Regards

Dave
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Manni on November 03, 2021, 06:42:12 PM
Very nice engine and work on it. I like the wiring of the magnetos.
Bye,
manni
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Dric on November 04, 2021, 04:39:24 AM
That's a great and colorfull engine. Excellent !
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: FAf on November 07, 2021, 08:14:13 AM
That was an impressive looking engine! Very colourful with the different metals and the blue.
/Fredrik
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Alexis on November 07, 2021, 08:52:44 AM
Lovely outcome with the power plant Mike


Alexis
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Ernie on November 07, 2021, 01:16:15 PM
Great job of the engine Mike!

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: jamieg on November 08, 2021, 01:01:11 AM
Beautiful work!
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on November 09, 2021, 08:59:37 PM
Hi all,
Sorry, but I forgot to take shots of the cockpit assembly before closing up the fuselage!!
Anyway I added the rudder and elevator control cables.
Also the cross bracing wires in the cockpit side frames, across the internal frames and on the floor panels.
The observer/gunner seat is fitted in the stowed position, as I'll be adding a figure into the rear cockpit.
I still have some weathering and detail to add, such as cockpit and engine control rods and pipes and the wireless reel wire etc.
As usual, not much can be seen once the cockpit decking panel is fitted - hey ho.

For now I'll be putting this model aside so that I can complete the Avro 'Vulcan' Mk.2  I'm building for a friends birthday next month.
Then I'll be back on the Salmson,

Mike

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/closed1.jpg)

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/closed2.jpg)

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/closed3.jpg)

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/closed4.jpg)

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/closed5.jpg)

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/closed6.jpg)
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: PrzemoL on November 09, 2021, 09:01:51 PM
Great job on the fuselage interior. And the engine. One more jewel in the making.
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: RAGIII on November 10, 2021, 12:25:17 AM
Gorgeous interior work Mike. You will see even Less when the upper wing is in place  :o
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: hrcoleman66 on November 10, 2021, 08:06:35 AM
Superb work.  You're not mucking about either!

Cheers,

Hugh

Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: FAf on November 10, 2021, 04:05:25 PM
Fantastic looking interior!
/Fredrik
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: rhwinter on November 10, 2021, 05:07:41 PM
WOW, BEAU-TI-FUL!!
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Pup7309 on November 10, 2021, 05:55:21 PM
Wow amazing work
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Pup7309 on November 10, 2021, 05:57:20 PM
This is one of the kits that was always last to sell on retail websites. Good luck getting one of these beauties now.
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: DaveB on November 10, 2021, 07:05:01 PM
Outstanding work on the interior, Mike.

Regards

Dave
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: RAGIII on November 12, 2021, 08:52:39 AM
Outstanding work on the interior, Mike.

Regards

Dave

Odd because the kit is as good or better than Most!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: FAf on November 12, 2021, 04:06:40 PM
Outstanding work on the interior, Mike.

Regards

Dave

Odd because the kit is as good or better than Most!
RAGIII

I'm guessing you quoted the wrong post Rick?! 😁
/F
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Manni on November 12, 2021, 05:05:46 PM
Wow, Mike. That is great. Super detailed and lots for interesting colors.
Bye, Manni
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Bughunter on November 14, 2021, 02:06:25 AM
Impressive work on a impressive kit! Superb as always!

A question: what is the background of the brown? color of the shutter plates of the front?
I checked the manual of my 1/48 Gaspatch kit and there is was stated, that those plates was made of aluminium.
Just as interest fro my future build of this bird :)

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on November 14, 2021, 02:25:31 AM
Impressive work on a impressive kit! Superb as always!

A question: what is the background of the brown? color of the shutter plates of the front?
I checked the manual of my 1/48 Gaspatch kit and there is was stated, that those plates was made of aluminium.
Just as interest fro my future build of this bird :)

Cheers,
Frank

Hi Frank,
Although the radiator shutters were Aluminium, it seems many were painted with a Chestnut Brown dope.
The 'Wingnut Wings' manual states that either can be used.
I chose the doped colour and for 'Tamiya' paint it's a mixture of the following:
   NATO Brown (XF68) - 10 drops
   Flat Aluminium (XF16) - 2 drops
   Sky Grey (XF19) - 1 drop.

Once painted I sponged on Weathering Master Set D (oil stain) over the leading edges of the shutters,

Mike

Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: KiwiZac on November 14, 2021, 10:17:20 AM
I have to admit I hadn't popped in here until today as the Salmson is something I've never really cared for, but your work is turning me around. The engine and cowl are beautiful, and the interior is gorgeous!

I hope you can share some photos of the Vulcan.
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on November 14, 2021, 08:13:14 PM
I have to admit I hadn't popped in here until today as the Salmson is something I've never really cared for, but your work is turning me around. The engine and cowl are beautiful, and the interior is gorgeous!

I hope you can share some photos of the Vulcan.

Hi KiwiZac,
Thanks.
The Vulcan B Mk.2 is getting close to being completed, but I still have the display case to finish as well.
As the forum is specific to WW1 subjects, I'll not post photographs of the Vulcan B Mk.2 here.
However, I will add a link to shots of the completed model at the end of this thread if that's OK,

Mike
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: lcarroll on November 15, 2021, 12:45:11 AM
Mike,
     You can add all the photos you wish to in "The World of Scale Models" topic right here. I too would enjoy seeing photos of that beauty!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on November 15, 2021, 10:34:25 AM
Hi Lance,
Thanks - I'd not scrolled that far down in the forum topics  ::)
I'll post the Vulcan there.
Also thanks for you earlier comments - appreciated,

Mike
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Alexis on November 19, 2021, 08:53:20 AM
Thumbs Up Mike !



Alexis
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Pup7309 on November 20, 2021, 09:55:16 PM
Fantastic work, amazing. I came back because I’m contemplating do a French aircraft all doped or camouflaged. Need to source those greens and coffee colours of course:)
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on November 21, 2021, 01:14:05 AM
Hi all,
I've decided to change the model to represent Salmson 2-A2, Serial number 381, of Escadrille SAL 28.
No reason other than I like the unit's elephant marking,

Mike

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/header.jpg)
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: ViperDriver on November 24, 2021, 10:57:16 AM
Excellent choice! I couldn't resist the elephant marking myself.... excited to see the result. Looks great so far!

-ViperDriver
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on November 25, 2021, 04:25:40 AM
Hi all,
A few updates on the Salmson 2-A2 build.

The front end is coming together now.
The engine assembly is fitted with the painted access panels.
The three on the left side are being left off as the intention is to have a mechanic working on that area.
I've added the twin cross bracing wires to the front bay frame (0.08 mm mono-filament, 0.4 mm diameter blackened Brass tube and 'GasPatch' 1:48th scale turnbuckles (Type C).
I've also added the access panel metal support ring around the front of the engine support beams.
The 'GasPatch' replacement Vickers machine gun and the mounting recess in the panel have been slightly modified to fit.
Also the carburettor air intake pipe has been drilled out as it was moulded solid.

Now it's onto adding more detail such as wiring, terminal box, cables etc to the exposed structure, using photographs as a guide,

Mike

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/bay6.jpg)
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: RAGIII on November 25, 2021, 10:21:39 AM
Really looking great, especially with your added details Mike!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: jeroen_R90S on November 25, 2021, 07:59:35 PM
Awesome!
I assume the ejector marks will be hidden by other parts?
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on November 25, 2021, 08:34:48 PM
Hi all,
Yes there's a whole lot of stuff in the side bay area that I want to represent and it will cover the elector pin marks.
It's difficult to know exactly what it all is or where its all attached to, but I'll add something there,

Mike

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/bay1.jpg)
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: PrzemoL on November 25, 2021, 09:00:17 PM
Very nice.
And I see that the location of ejection pin marks has not been changed since 2014 when I built mine  ;D  But I have covered that space... because I gave up the task to discover what all those lines were, and where did they go. Since that time I have a feeling that Salmson was the most complex aircraft of WW1. I am looking forward to see your interpretation, Mike.

(https://i.ibb.co/WctPfQP/OLYMPUS-DIGITAL-CAMERA.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/pXJW8fF/OLYMPUS-DIGITAL-CAMERA.jpg)
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Grant on November 26, 2021, 01:33:37 AM
Your craftsmanship is outstanding Mike, that is an impeccable job on the engine!
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on November 26, 2021, 03:20:50 AM
Very nice.
And I see that the location of ejection pin marks has not been changed since 2014 when I built mine  ;D  But I have covered that space... because I gave up the task to discover what all those lines were, and where did they go. Since that time I have a feeling that Salmson was the most complex aircraft of WW1. I am looking forward to see your interpretation, Mike.

Hi Przemol,
You're Salmson is a great build.
I've started on preparing the bay for detailing.
Removed the pre-moulded detail and cut the openings in the fuselage frame for the cables etc,

Mike

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/bay4.jpg)

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/bay9.jpg) 
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on November 26, 2021, 09:02:57 AM
Hi all,
I've been working on the areas of the model that will remain exposed.
This included twin crossed bracing wires, electrical terminal box, a fuselage rib and electrical wire conduits and pipes.

Next is to add the electrical wires,

Mike

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/bay11.jpg)
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: PrzemoL on November 26, 2021, 04:36:36 PM
Very fine results, Mike.
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: RAGIII on November 27, 2021, 12:01:04 AM
Excellent work Mike! This should be very convincing when complete!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Ernie on November 27, 2021, 01:45:22 PM
I don't know why it's not a more popular model.  It was a joy to
build and I think you are doing a wonderful job, Mike!

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: jeroen_R90S on November 27, 2021, 11:33:36 PM
Looking great -I have to agree it's a very interesting aircraft, that somehow does not get built often. Almost like the Rumpler C.IV -such a pretty and elegant machine, yet those kits hardly seem to get built!
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on November 30, 2021, 03:47:16 AM
Hi all,
The exposed fuselage side bay is finished as far as I can.
There are no drawings or photographs of the is area on a French Salmson 2-A2, apart from aircraft that are either being built or that have crashed.
Therefore there's no 'complete' French aircraft detail available.
However, there is a photograph of an American Salmson 2-A2 that does show this area complete.
Although the American aircraft were fitted with a Type 3-US generator, which was different from the French version, the detail in their bays look very similar.
Therefore I detailed the bay with electrical conduit and wires, tubes and what I assume were aircraft batteries (the observers wireless had its own battery).
The detail is a combination of scratch parts, 'ANYZ’ 0.5 mm silver braided line (AN011) and ‘MFH’ black 0.4 mm flexible tube (P-961).
Decals used were spares from previous model builds.
Out of necessity, the added detail may not be accurate, but at least is does represent that bay area.

Mike

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/bay12.jpg)

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/baydone.jpg)

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/baydone1.jpg)
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Radarman on November 30, 2021, 03:59:13 AM
Mike,
Your work is very convincing. This is going to be another great build and I look forward to downloading
your PDF when it's available.

                                       Kevin
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: RAGIII on November 30, 2021, 06:53:20 AM
Excellent Mike. Like Kevin said, Very Convincing!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: KiwiZac on November 30, 2021, 02:45:41 PM
^^ What they said! I love that area, it looks so good. Bravo on some fine detail work!
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: PrzemoL on November 30, 2021, 08:19:44 PM
Fantastic work on that compartment!
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: kensar on November 30, 2021, 10:53:07 PM
Your detail work is going very nicely, Mike.  The reference material is top notch.
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: lcarroll on December 01, 2021, 12:43:29 AM
   Incredible detail work Mike, truly "top drawer"! This one is really going to be a stunner when completed.
Keep up the magnificent work!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: gedmundson on December 01, 2021, 06:05:01 AM
Very nicely done, Mike. So convincing.
Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Whiteknuckles on December 01, 2021, 07:26:30 AM
Great work Mike, this is going to be wonderful!

Andrew
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Monty on December 02, 2021, 05:40:38 AM
Wow, some stunning work and great detail, Mike! I'm enjoying this complex build enormously! Regards, Marc
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: macsporran on December 02, 2021, 09:19:06 AM
Splendid modelling. Not my favourite aeroplane, but this one is coming along beautifully.
Sandy
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on December 03, 2021, 06:52:15 AM
Hi all,
Just a quick update.
I forgot to fit the generator drive belt.
To represent the generator drive belt, I cut a strip of photo-etch 1.0 mm wide, then annealed it (softened over a flame).
It was then bent around a 1.8 mm diameter drill to form a semi-circle.
It was then brush painted with ‘Tamiya' Rubber Black (XF18).
Once dry it was secured in position around the forward shaft of the generator, with the two ends onto the round ‘pulley’ on the rear of the engine.

Mike

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/drivebelt.jpg)
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Grant on December 03, 2021, 10:54:44 AM
Mike,


Absolutely stunning work! The detail is amazing on this aircraft, wonderfully presented.


Grant
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: jeroen_R90S on December 03, 2021, 06:17:27 PM
Did you turn her over and put a volt meter on the battery terminals  already? That looks fabulous!
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: KiwiZac on December 04, 2021, 06:34:49 AM
Oh wow, good catch Mike! I should've caught that myself before now  ;D
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Borsos on December 04, 2021, 07:41:29 AM
Great eye for the detail on this busy airframe. I think you definitely got the look of the foto quite right!
Andreas
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: RAGIII on December 04, 2021, 08:23:44 AM
Damn, that is nice work Mike!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on December 25, 2021, 01:43:16 AM
Hi all,
I've been fighting off a cold and cough (not Covid) for the past few weeks, so I've not posted updates.
However, here's and update for the Salmson.
I've used a combination of 'Tamiya' acrylic and 'Hataka' lacquer paints for the external camouflage scheme.
This was all airbrushed with 'Alclad' Aqua Gloss 600 for applying the decals.
I cut templates to create the various shapes required then transferred them onto the 'Aviattic’ Linen Weave effect (ATT32236) decal sheets.
These were applied after which the kit decals were added.
Everything was given a coat of 'Alclad' Light Sheen (ALC311) lacquer as the base for applying weathering, which I'll be applying next,

Mike

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/decal1.jpg)

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/decal2.jpg)

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/decal3.jpg)

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/decal4.jpg)

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/decal5.jpg)
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Alexis on December 25, 2021, 07:23:06 AM
Fabulous job on the details Mike and that is a cool motif !


Alexis 
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: RAGIII on December 25, 2021, 11:08:37 AM
Gorgeous painting and decaling Mike!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on December 28, 2021, 05:05:45 AM
Hi all,
Just a few updates.
The wheels have 'Aviattic' linen weave effect decal applied.
The landing gear is painted ready to assemble.
The two Lewis and single Vickers machine guns are prepared for fitting.
The 'Proper Plane' laminated wood propeller has got it decals and semi-matte clear coat.
All of these have yet to be weathered etc,

Mike

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/wheelsdone.jpg)

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/gear.jpg)

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/strutsdone.jpg)

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/lewisdone.jpg)

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/vickersdone.jpg)
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Stuart Malone on December 28, 2021, 05:59:42 AM
Mike,

All your models are gorgeous and this one might be at the top.  I love the detail photos you post.

Stuart
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: RAGIII on December 29, 2021, 01:56:58 AM
Beautiful detail painting of the small parts/struts. The Machine guns look awesome!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: FAf on December 29, 2021, 06:09:00 AM
Amazing detail! You'd expect some mistakes to show up with the kind of magnification you're using, but no... it's still perfect! Utterly amazing!
/Fredrik
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on January 01, 2022, 05:20:54 AM
Hi all,
Last update for 2021.
Landing gear fitted.
'GasPatch' 1:48th scale turnbuckles with 0.12 blue coloured mono-filament and 0.4 - 0.5 mm diameter brass tube.
Tubes and barrels of turnbuckles painted with 'Tamiya' Medium Blue (XF18).

Mike

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/LG1.jpg)

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/LG2.jpg)
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: PrzemoL on January 02, 2022, 02:22:26 AM
Great progress, I like those blue rigging lines.
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: RAGIII on January 02, 2022, 04:52:42 AM
Nicely done as always and I too like the blue rigging wires!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Alexis on January 02, 2022, 05:29:24 AM
In agreement with the others , top notch Mike


Alexis
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on January 02, 2022, 07:56:24 AM
Hi All,
The twin bracing wires between the front and rear cabane struts are pre-rigged.
Also the win wires between the rear cabane struts.
The turnbuckles are fitted on the ends of the lines, but the lines are left loose at the anchor points.
This should make it easier to final rig these lines once the upper wing is fitted,

Mike

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/cabaneprerig.jpg)
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: FAf on January 02, 2022, 09:30:12 PM
The blue wires really pop! Beautiful work, as always!
/Fredrik
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on January 03, 2022, 06:05:07 AM
Hi all,
The underside of the upper wing is now pre-rigged.
This covers the twin flying and landing wires, twin cabane bracing wires, drag wires and interplane incidence wires.
The turnbuckles are fixed on the lines, but the anchor point loops are left loose for final fitting once the wing is fitted.
Now it's on to pre-rigging the aileron, elevator and rudder control horns.
Also the twin bracing wires for the fin bracing,

Mike

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/wingprerig.jpg)
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Alexis on January 03, 2022, 01:10:13 PM
You have been busy little spider !


Alexis
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: PrzemoL on January 03, 2022, 06:45:44 PM
Rigging, rigging... Lovely! ;)
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Bughunter on January 03, 2022, 08:35:36 PM
That will be a very beautiful Salmson, as one can expect from your work!

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Manni on January 03, 2022, 11:01:35 PM
Outstanding and a very good how-to, when I start my Salmson (in a future, far, far away)
Bye,
Manni
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on January 04, 2022, 12:34:20 AM
Hi all,
The flight controls are now pre-rigged.
The control horns for the ailerons, rudder and elevator.
Now it's on to pre-rigging the fin/tail plane twin bracing wires,

Mike

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/rudprerig.jpg)

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/ailprerig.jpg)

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/elevprerig.jpg)
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: RAGIII on January 04, 2022, 01:40:25 AM
Excellent work on the pre rigging Mike!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Alexis on January 04, 2022, 04:25:04 AM
Itsy bitsy spider climbed up the wing strut .......

Looking good Mike !


Alexis
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Monty on January 04, 2022, 05:12:11 AM
This is some beautiful and intricate modelling Mike! I do love the effects and the complex but precisely executed rigging... Regards, Marc
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: KiwiZac on January 04, 2022, 06:53:47 AM
Inspirational stuff for my Pup and Spad!
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on January 04, 2022, 08:21:46 AM
Hi all,
The upper wing fitted,

Mike

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/wingon.jpg)
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: RAGIII on January 04, 2022, 09:49:45 AM
Awesome!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on January 06, 2022, 05:08:13 AM
Hi all,
The twin flying and landing wires are now fitted, as are the incidence wires between the interplane struts..
I still have the two drag wires and two side bracing wires (each side of the aircraft) to fit.
Now the 32 separate infill strips between the flying and land wires to do,

Mike

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/wingrig1.jpg)

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/wingrig2.jpg)
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: KiwiZac on January 06, 2022, 07:39:12 AM
I'm so unused to blue rigging that each photo of your progress takes me a few seconds to process - that's not a comment on your rigging skills, just of my ignorance of the type!
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on January 06, 2022, 08:47:13 AM
I'm so unused to blue rigging that each photo of your progress takes me a few seconds to process - that's not a comment on your rigging skills, just of my ignorance of the type!

A question was put to Richard Alexander from Wingnut Wings - his reply:

"Yes the structural rigging wires (but not control cables) on French WW1 aircraft were very frequently painted for protection. The favourite colour for painting anything metal on French aircraft at the time was blue. You can still find blue rigging on we preserved and restored WW1 French aircraft like Caudron G.4 at the Smithsonian".

It may be only certain French aircraft had blue rigging, although some photographs apparently show a mixture of blue and natural metal and others with blue fitting but natural metal wires.

I've gone for blue rigging as that's what is shown in the WNW colour plates in their instruction manual.
Also other notable artist, such as Bob Pearson show blue rigging.
The French also painted the edges around wings and tail unit on many aircraft with colours such as blue.

Right or wrong, I'm not changing it all now  :o

Mike

Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: PrzemoL on January 06, 2022, 09:48:34 AM
That blue rigging does truly stand out. Fine work!
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: RAGIII on January 06, 2022, 09:49:17 AM
As always your rigging looks fantastic. As for the blue...I like it! Not sure on how widespread the use of blue painted wires was but it makes an interesting change!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Alexis on January 06, 2022, 09:51:52 AM
Right or wrong , it does add a striking visual .


Alexis
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on January 06, 2022, 10:48:19 AM
Hi all,
The blue rigging line does look vivid at the moment.
However it does tone down when airbrushed with a semi-matte lacquer.
Besides the twin flying, landing and fin bracing wires will (if I can pull it off) be covered.
They had wood strip inserts fitted between them, which were then wrapped in linen (CDL or blue I assume).

Mike
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: DaveB on January 06, 2022, 07:57:07 PM
Mike -

Wow- great progress!

This is starting to look the dog's do dah's now.  Looking forward to seeing this one completed.

Regards

Dave
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: RAGIII on January 07, 2022, 04:09:25 AM
I am lookimg forward to seeing the filled and wrapped wires Mik. I chose to do one that didn't have the twin wires filled and wrapped as I was too intimidated to try at that point in My Modeling .
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: KiwiZac on January 07, 2022, 04:28:29 AM
A question was put to Richard Alexander from Wingnut Wings - his reply:

"Yes the structural rigging wires (but not control cables) on French WW1 aircraft were very frequently painted for protection. The favourite colour for painting anything metal on French aircraft at the time was blue. You can still find blue rigging on we preserved and restored WW1 French aircraft like Caudron G.4 at the Smithsonian".

(...)I've gone for blue rigging as that's what is shown in the WNW colour plates in their instruction manual.
I tend to believe Richard and Wingnut Wings know/knew what they're on about so I have trust in them. I think it's just that the Salmson types had never been on my radar before. You learn every day!
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on January 07, 2022, 10:01:32 AM
Hi all,
The tail unit is done.
That includes the rudder and elevator control cables, the twin bracing wires for the fin and the fin and tail plane support struts.
These twin wires, like the flying and landing wires, will need infills and wrapping.

Mike

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/tailrigdone1.jpg)

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/tailrigdone2.jpg)
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: RAGIII on January 07, 2022, 10:07:28 AM
Awesome Mike!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: PrzemoL on January 07, 2022, 03:50:25 PM
Wow, the closer the look, the more realistic it seems.
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on January 09, 2022, 08:16:00 AM
Hi all,
I've fitted the linen wrapped infills between the pairs of flying, landing and fin bracing wires.
I tried my previous methods of using baking parchment paper or 0.2 mm thick plastic card strips.
However, the length of these pairs of wires are long and they flexed too much.
Therefore, I cut strips of 'Aviattic' CDL decal to 1.75 width of each pair of wires.
The water I used to release the decals was cold, as this tends to release the decal in a more rigid state than warm water would.
That made it easier to position the decal strips onto the wires.
The decals were laid centrally onto the top sides of the wires and left to allow the residual decal adhesive to grip to the wires.

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/infills1.jpg)

I then applied 'DACO Products' strong setting solution across the top of the decal strip.
As the decal started to soften, I teased the edges under the wires to fully wrap them with the decal.

Not easy but I think it should look OK once I've painted the decals.
This is necessary as the decal is thin and the blue rigging wires shown through.

Then it's onto finishing the rigging (drag and side wires),

Mike 

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/infills2.jpg)

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/infill3.jpg)
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Whiteknuckles on January 09, 2022, 08:51:30 AM
That is truly outstanding work Mike, looks excellent!!

Andrew
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: PrzemoL on January 09, 2022, 08:58:07 AM
That is definitely well beyond my patience to decals. Amazing idea and the result!
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: RAGIII on January 09, 2022, 09:21:49 AM
Really outstanding results Mike. Better than the Other ones you have done and those were great 👍
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Alexis on January 09, 2022, 11:22:15 AM
Really outstanding results Mike. Better than the Other ones you have done and those were great 👍
RAGIII

Second Ricks comments

Alexis
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: KiwiZac on January 10, 2022, 03:49:41 AM
Don't mind my dumbstruck expression, it's due to 1) learning of wire wrapping after thinking I'd seen it all and b) your execution of same. Beautiful!
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Bughunter on January 10, 2022, 05:54:28 AM
That is a beautiful and perfectly detailed model, where you can "zoom in" and find always new things!

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on January 10, 2022, 07:07:38 AM
Don't mind my dumbstruck expression, it's due to 1) learning of wire wrapping after thinking I'd seen it all and b) your execution of same. Beautiful!

No worries - I know that no criticism was intended and certainly none was take  :D,

Mike
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: KiwiZac on January 11, 2022, 05:21:45 AM
You learn something new every day! How neat! What a clever idea, and well executed by yourself Mike.
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: kensar on January 11, 2022, 10:29:12 PM
Awesome work there, Mike.  Looks realistic.
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Borsos on January 12, 2022, 02:07:47 AM
Hats off, this is an impressive way to deal with this modelling challenge!
Andreas
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Dirigible-Al on January 12, 2022, 02:23:26 AM
Great idea using decals on the wires. If faced with the challenge myself I am sure I would have wrapped foil round them but I will instead follow your lead and use decal strip.
Alan.
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Manni on January 12, 2022, 08:35:28 PM
Wow. This is very impressive. The decal hack is a great idea. I will try to copy that, when I start mine.
Bye Manni
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Stuart Malone on January 13, 2022, 01:44:25 AM
Mike,

Each new post impresses me with your continuing ability to add the missing details no matter how minute.

Stuart
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on January 13, 2022, 06:31:10 AM
Hi all,
At last the rigging is complete.
I've added the side bracing wires from the fuselage to the underside of the upper wing.
Also the upper and lower drag wires from the engine bearer frame to the underside of the upper wing and leading edge of the lower wings.
The flying, landing and fin bracing wire infills have also been painted with the same colour as the undersides of the wings and fuselage.
I chose CDL as it's difficult to know if these infills were CDL or blue (as for the rigging wires).
My assumption is that blue would has stood out too much against the camouflage surfaces, so I opted for CDL.

So now it's onto the four wireless wires from the cabane struts to the underside of the upper wing.
Also the fuel tank vent pipe,

Mike

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/rigdone1.jpg)

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/rigdone2.jpg)
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: PrzemoL on January 13, 2022, 07:09:36 AM
Just beautiful
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: hrcoleman66 on January 13, 2022, 08:59:36 AM
Awesome work as always Mike!

Your attention to detail and patience is to be admired.

Cheers,

Hugh
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on January 13, 2022, 09:36:40 AM
Hi all,
I've added the vent pipe from the fuel tank, using 0.4 mm diameter black tube from 'MFH'.
Also the four wireless wires, made from annealed and twisted 0.2 mm diameter copper wire.

Now onto the front end parts,

Mike

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/vent.jpg)

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/wirelesswires1.jpg)
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: KiwiZac on January 14, 2022, 05:18:04 AM
She looks exquisite, Mike, and those extra details in your most recent post really set it off.
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on January 14, 2022, 05:30:45 AM
Hi all,
I've now added the pilot's Vickers machine gu ('GasPatch replacement), gun sight, ring site, mirror and coolant header tank.
Also the wind driven pump/generator, with pipe from 0.4 mm diameter black tube from 'MFH'.

Just the ailerons and control cables wind screens and observers weapons to add, then it's onto the figures,

Mike

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/frontend.jpg)

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/pumpdone.jpg)
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: RAGIII on January 14, 2022, 09:30:15 AM
Stunning rigging work Mike. This could be the Best of all you have done...and like I said earlier that is saying a lot!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Dirigible-Al on January 15, 2022, 03:22:09 AM
I agree. Amazing detail.
Alan.
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on January 15, 2022, 04:34:14 AM
Hi all,
The aileron control cables have been added.
The mono-filament used is 0.08 mm diameter and is left clear.
Although the structural rigging was painted blue, the control cables were left unpainted.
I assume this was due to the cables being regularly adjusted and maintained.

Now onto the observers weapons,

Mike

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/aildone.jpg)
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: KiwiZac on January 15, 2022, 05:43:30 AM
Just beautiful work Mike, truly beautiful! The aftermarket bits and your own added detail really make this special.

Another newbie question about the blue rigging and control horns: was this explicitly a Salmson trait, or one common to other French types of the period?
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: RAGIII on January 15, 2022, 06:00:45 AM
More excellence Mike!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on January 15, 2022, 07:07:53 AM
Just beautiful work Mike, truly beautiful! The aftermarket bits and your own added detail really make this special.

Another newbie question about the blue rigging and control horns: was this explicitly a Salmson trait, or one common to other French types of the period?

Hi Zac,
Certainly some French aircraft had blue painted structural rigging, like this Salmson and others, such as Caudron and Nieuport.
How widespread this was across French aircraft manufacturers and how long it continued is debatable.
As with this time period, predominately black and white photographs and the type of film used, make it difficult for mere modelers to determine exact colours.
Unless it is specified by better and more accurate research, it can be down to guesswork.
Bleu de France (Blue of France) is a colour traditionally used to represent France.
Blue has been used in the heraldry of the French monarchy since at least the 12th century, with the golden fleurs-de-lis of the kings always set on a blue (heraldic "azure") background.
A brighter version, based on the blue of the French Tricolour, is used in modern times, particularly in a sporting context.
French national teams in all sports will normally use blue as their main colour.
Also, Blue is France's national racing colour and several French motorsport teams have used it,

Mike
 
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on January 15, 2022, 09:00:12 AM
Hi all,
The observers twin Lewis machine guns assembly is now done.
I replaced the kit supplied weapons with 'GasPatch' weapons.
This required modifying the kit supplied gun mounting and adding both the cross bracing between the gun handles and the spreader bar between the breach blocks.
The gun mount spindle is 0.4 mm diameter tube located through holes drilled in the gun mounting lugs.
The cross bracing is 'EZ' line (heavy) routed through 0.3 mm diameter holes drilled diagonally the the ends of the handles.
The twin bungee lift cords around the gun support tube are also 'EZ' line routed through 0.4 mm diameter holes drilled through both sides of the tube pivots at the base ring.

Just the two windscreens to go and the model itself is complete.
Then it's onto the figures,

Mike

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/gunsdone.jpg)

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/gunsdone1.jpg)
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: RAGIII on January 16, 2022, 01:36:23 AM
The Machine guns and Mount look amazing Mike!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: KiwiZac on January 16, 2022, 03:40:17 AM
The guns and mount look exquisite, lovely work!

Hi Zac,
Certainly some French aircraft had blue painted structural rigging, like this Salmson and others, such as Caudron and Nieuport.
How widespread this was across French aircraft manufacturers and how long it continued is debatable.
As with this time period, predominately black and white photographs and the type of film used, make it difficult for mere modelers to determine exact colours.
Unless it is specified by better and more accurate research, it can be down to guesswork,

Mike
Thanks Mike. As I said earlier, until this build I had never heard of blue rigging so you're giving me quite an education!
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Alexis on January 16, 2022, 04:43:08 AM
 :)


Alexis
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on January 18, 2022, 07:00:48 AM
Hi all,
The four figures are now done.
These figures are from 'Copper State Models', although two were German ground crew figures.
I modified one of those heavily as he will be stood in the observers cockpit.
The heads were replaced on both by changing French heads around and using one head from 'Hornet Models'.
The figures were painted using a combination of 'Tamiya' and 'AK Interactive' acrylics.

The model is complete now, apart from the display case and a replacement propeller front hub (wrong type fitted).

Once again, many thanks for your support and encouragement throughout this build.
I will post completed photographs in a week or so,

Mike


(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/fig2.jpg)

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/fig3.jpg)

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/fig4.jpg)

(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/Salmson2A2/fig1.jpg)
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: RAGIII on January 18, 2022, 01:21:07 PM
Excellent work on the figures Mike.
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Mike Norris on January 27, 2022, 07:19:54 AM
Hi all,
The completed model shots are now up in the Completed Models thread.
Thanks for all of you support and comments - appreciated,

Mike
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Grant on January 28, 2022, 03:46:20 AM
Really outstanding work!
Title: Re: 1:32nd scale Salmson 2-A2
Post by: Alexis on January 28, 2022, 12:56:02 PM
Kinda feel sorry for the guy with the grey hair , note how I said kinda  ;)

Your figures are fab Mike , looking forward on seeing them nestle in place , your style really captures the over all feel and emotions . Love it !


Alexis