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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: RAGIII on June 23, 2021, 11:21:37 AM
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I couldn't resist starting another 1/32nd build. This will be My second try on this kit. My first one a few years ago ended in an accident...go figure ::) Encore SE5a McCudden. I am not sure which airframe I will end up doing so I have done a bit of work on both versions. I tried the PE framing and like on MY first build I couldn't get it to hold in place when the fuselage flexed so back to styrene strip!
RAGIII
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Good start to it. I never had luck with PE framing myself either.
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Hi Rick,
It's nice to see another allied bird taking shape on your desk. Sounds like you will have your hands full with this one.
What is your general impression of this kit? Any specific Encore issues?
Willem
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Good start! Tempting subject, I have to build myself an SE5 soon.
/Fredrik
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Looking forward to your build Rick :)
Alexis
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Yes looking forward to seeing a success with this one. Personally I vote styrene over PE every time!
Stephen.
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Thanks to all for the encouragement !
RAGIII
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Fingers crossed for an accident free build this time. Really looking forward to this, it's a great subject! My recent visit to my favourite museum yielded these pictures which may be of interest;
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51266344891_decf5297ab_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m7eqf8)Original Airworthy SE5a (https://flic.kr/p/2m7eqf8) by Richard Williams (https://www.flickr.com/photos/187004837@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51266530508_3b286b0bc5_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m7fnqq)Original airworthy SE5a (https://flic.kr/p/2m7fnqq) by Richard Williams (https://www.flickr.com/photos/187004837@N07/), on Flickr
This was in the engineering hangar having an overhaul, it is the only airworthy original SE5a and even has a kill to its name!
Best wishes
Richie
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Fingers crossed for an accident free build this time. Really looking forward to this, it's a great subject! My recent visit to my favourite museum yielded these pictures which may be of interest;
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51266344891_decf5297ab_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m7eqf8)Original Airworthy SE5a (https://flic.kr/p/2m7eqf8) by Richard Williams (https://www.flickr.com/photos/187004837@N07/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51266530508_3b286b0bc5_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m7fnqq)Original airworthy SE5a (https://flic.kr/p/2m7fnqq) by Richard Williams (https://www.flickr.com/photos/187004837@N07/), on Flickr
This was in the engineering hangar having an overhaul, it is the only airworthy original SE5a and even has a kill to its name!
Best wishes
Richie
Thanks Richie! Those are really incredible detail photos! I probably won't go That Far as I like things closed up 8) Maybe Mike Norris will see them ;D In the meantime perhaps post them in the place for WW1 aircraft Photos here on the Forum. I am sure Many will enjoy them as much as I do!
RAGIII
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What is included in the Encore photo etch?
Richard
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What is included in the Encore photo etch?
Richard
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I will take some photos later. Lots of cockpit and instrument detail as well as updates for the struts and pully inspection panels on wing and tailplane. I will also shoot some pics of the resin.
RAGIII
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So, as promised here are the photos of the Resin and PE:
RAGIII
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and the beginning of painting the interior:
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Popcorn ..check...pepsi check ...comfy chair ...check ...I'm allset !
Alexis
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Enter cinema, 3D glasses, of course popcorn, chocky bar and diet Coke (Note Alexis... well, the chocky bar ain't good)... We are really going to enjoy this one, Rick! Model on! So far a great project.... Regards, Marc
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Popcorn ..check...pepsi check ...comfy chair ...check ...I'm allset !
Alexis
As always I appreciate you following along!
RAGIII
Enter cinema, 3D glasses, of course popcorn, chocky bar and diet Coke (Note Alexis... well, the chocky bar ain't good)... We are really going to enjoy this one, Rick! Model on! So far a great project.... Regards, Marc
Thanks Marc, Glad to have you follow along!
RAGIII
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I hope that you will not mind Rick if I just sit in a comfy chair....!
Stephen.
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I hope that you will not mind Rick if I just sit in a comfy chair....!
Stephen.
I'm not sharing the popcorn .... ;)
Alexis
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Todays work: I re did the linen and stains on the interior, worked on the seat, and started to add details.
RAGIII
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looking good Rick !
Alexis
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👍
/F
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looking good Rick !
Alexis
Thanks Alexis!
RAGIII
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/F
;D
RAGIII
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Off to a great start Rick, this looks like an excellent kit. Looking forward to the next update!
Richie
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Hi Rick, I was allowed to get right up close to the original SE5a today and took a lot of detail photos which might be of interest. I've added them to the engine details thread. Hope you like them!
Richie
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That is a good start Rick. Better luck with this one!
Stephen.
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Great start, Rick -
I've built the Roden SE5a's in both Hisso and Viper engines and both are pretty decent kits that build up well from the box. Look forward to seeing how you get on with this one.
Regards
Dave
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Off to a great start Rick, this looks like an excellent kit. Looking forward to the next update!
Richie
Thanks Richie. Like all Roden kits it has it's challenges but overall it is quite nice!
Hi Rick, I was allowed to get right up close to the original SE5a today and took a lot of detail photos which might be of interest. I've added them to the engine details thread. Hope you like them!
Richie
Again thanks for the photos. I saw them yesterday and some will indeed help a lot!
RAGIII
That is a good start Rick. Better luck with this one!
Stephen.
Thanks Stephen!
RAGIII
Great start, Rick -
I've built the Roden SE5a's in both Hisso and Viper engines and both are pretty decent kits that build up well from the box. Look forward to seeing how you get on with this one.
Regards
Dave
Like I have said, the kit is nice. Any disasters will be of My own doing ::)
RAGIII
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that's looking great, i'll be following along so all the others need to move along one seat to make room for me :D
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that's looking great, i'll be following along so all the others need to move along one seat to make room for me :D
Thanks for commenting! A very small update. I have started on adding the resin pulley inspection panels. If one is an excellent modeler and great at making "Precise" cuts the idea is that the resin parts are inserted and you are done. I am not that Modeler! So that being said lots of filling and sanding to make them look right. I will use the PE triangles to finish things off. The lower wing is filled and sanded and the upper is photographed before that process.
RAGIII
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Nothing wrong with a bit of filling and sanding. Is the kit Roden plastic with resin and etch additions? It looks familiar.
Richie
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Following along on this one, too. Can you show the detail on the pulleys?
I don't know how many Encore kits you've done, but would you say they significantly improve the base Roden kit?
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Have fun building this Rick. I think the SE5 is a real beautiful plane. Like Richie said, nothing wrong with some filling and sanding. I 5hink in the end no one can tell the difference.
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Nothing wrong with a bit of filling and sanding. Is the kit Roden plastic with resin and etch additions? It looks familiar.
Richie
Yes, Richie. Roden plastic with PE frets done by Eduard, and True Details resin .
RAGIII
Following along on this one, too. Can you show the detail on the pulleys?
I don't know how many Encore kits you've done, but would you say they significantly improve the base Roden kit?
Thanks for following Ken. Sorry it has been a while since My last update. I hope My poor photography shows enough of the detail. I would say on this kit the Rein and PE do significantly improve the kit. I am using More of the PE than usual which says something I guess ???
RAGIII
The pulleys:
(https://i.postimg.cc/1Xj3t3J0/IMG-20210701-100220543-2.jpg)Have fun building this Rick. I think the SE5 is a real beautiful plane. Like Richie said, nothing wrong with some filling and sanding. I 5hink in the end no one can tell the difference.
Thanks for looking in. So far I am enjoying the build 8)
RAGIII
Todays update:
I have used the PE bezels and dials for the IP and am OK with the results. I also used HGW lap belts slightly simplified then a wash of burnt umber applied. I also used the PE ammo drum storage boxes. The one on the floor has a CSM ammo drum installed. Finally I used stretched sprue for the control lines.
RAGIII
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Resin and PE radiator and cover.
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and it begins to come together:
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RAGIII
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that cockpit has come together looking great 8)
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You do put your kits together quickly Rick. I would not have bothered with the PE as I simply do not like the stuff, but it is certainly enhancing your model.
Stephen.
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Very good results with the interior. I find it very challenging to use so many different parts of different manufacturers, but here the interior looks great.
Bye, Manni
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Wonderful progress, Rick -
Excellent work on the interior and cockpit
Regards
Dave
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Thanks for showing the pulley. It does look like an improvement.
That interior is looking good.
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that cockpit has come together looking great 8)
Thanks , I appreciate you following along.
RAGIII
You do put your kits together quickly Rick. I would not have bothered with the PE as I simply do not like the stuff, but it is certainly enhancing your model.
Stephen.
Thanks Stephen. I am actually trying to slow down a bit on this one :o As for PE, I am not fond of it either! In the case of the IP it was necessary and the boxes for the drum were simple folds!
RAGIII
Very good results with the interior. I find it very challenging to use so many different parts of different manufacturers, but here the interior looks great.
Bye, Manni
Thanks Manni! The parts are actually provided in the kit and are designed to fit. ( Other than the seat belts)
RAGIII
Wonderful progress, Rick -
Excellent work on the interior and cockpit
Regards
Dave
Thanks Dave!
RAGIII
Thanks for showing the pulley. It does look like an improvement.
That interior is looking good.
Thanks Ken. My photo really doesn't do the pulleys their due justice. Although a lot of work to install when they are done they are at least as good as the WNW version.
RAGIII
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Just saw this, Rick...I just finished re-reading Flying Fury so I can't wait to see this one done for ol' J.T.B.
Neat start so far.
Dan ;)
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You are making good progress Rick.
Everything is looking excellent in this tiny scale!
Willem
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All looking very good Rick, the resin and PE parts are a big improvement on the kit. This is going to be a very handsome model!
Richie
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Just saw this, Rick...I just finished re-reading Flying Fury so I can't wait to see this one done for ol' J.T.B.
Neat start so far.
Dan ;)
Thanks Dan. All should go smoothly until the mounting of the upper wing. That is when I Must Be Careful ::)
RAGIII
You are making good progress Rick.
Everything is looking excellent in this tiny scale!
Willem
Thanks Willem but.... This one is 1/32nd scale 8)
RAGIII
All looking very good Rick, the resin and PE parts are a big improvement on the kit. This is going to be a very handsome model!
Richie
Thanks Richie and I agree re the PE and Resin.
I have made some progress. I assembled the Hisso engine OOB and painted only the basics. Not Much will be seen as the second photo will show!
RAGIII
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Now for touch up filling and sanding. Adding holes for rigging, and adding a few rivets and details to the upper cowling.
RAGIII
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Quick work Rick, all looking excellent too. The Roden engines are very good I think but as you say very little will be seen so no point in going overboard with the Hisso.
Richie
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Quick work Rick, all looking excellent too. The Roden engines are very good I think but as you say very little will be seen so no point in going overboard with the Hisso.
Richie
Thanks Richie. Yes, the Hisso could be detailed and would look terrific. On the SE one could easily leave off one or both engine covers to display the engine. I like MY aircraft buttoned up so like I said, No Need to super detail.
RAGIII
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The good thing about taking a break from the inter-webs is I get to return just at the right time!
Lovely work on the SE Rick!!
Congrats :o
Keep on keeping on.
Cheers,
Bob
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You are making good progress Rick.
Everything is looking excellent in this tiny scale!
Willem
Thanks Willem but.... This one is 1/32nd scale 8)
RAGIII
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Oops... I need reading glasses
Willem
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If you are slowing down, what are you like when you work quickly!?
This is looking very promising Rick. I do hope that the model continues to assemble well and that you manage to avoid the pitfalls which have dogged some of your other builds.
Stephen.
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The good thing about taking a break from the inter-webs is I get to return just at the right time!
Lovely work on the SE Rick!!
Congrats :o
Keep on keeping on.
Cheers,
Bob
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Thanks Bob, It is good to have you back! Are you still dealing in Strippetrs ? If so send Me a PM as I need your info for ordering ;D
RAGIII
You are making good progress Rick.
Everything is looking excellent in this tiny scale!
Willem
Thanks Willem but.... This one is 1/32nd scale 8)
RAGIII
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Oops... I need reading glasses
Willem
;D
RAGIII
If you are slowing down, what are you like when you work quickly!?
This is looking very promising Rick. I do hope that the model continues to assemble well and that you manage to avoid the pitfalls which have dogged some of your other builds.
Stephen.
Thanks Stephen. I said I was trying to slow down. We shall see 8)
RAGIII
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Thanks Richie. Yes, the Hisso could be detailed and would look terrific. On the SE one could easily leave off one or both engine covers to display the engine. I like MY aircraft buttoned up so like I said, No Need to super detail.
RAGIII
Buttoned up as nature intended is good, the overall shape and sit of an aircraft is what appeals to me first. The SE5a is such a wonderful looking beast it would be a shame to corrupt those graceful lines.
Richie
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looking great, roll on the next update :D
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Looking great Rick, nice additions. Quick Q though, what is that big cone shaped hole supposed to be on the underside of the cockpit? I have never seen that feature before on an SE5a. Regards, Pete in RI.
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looking great, roll on the next update :D
Thanks for looking in and the comment!
RAGIII
Looking great Rick, nice additions. Quick Q though, what is that big cone shaped hole supposed to be on the underside of the cockpit? I have never seen that feature before on an SE5a. Regards, Pete in RI.
Thanks for the comment! Also thanks for pointing out the cone shaped hole. It is below the conical piece that the ruffer bar fits to on the inside of the cockpit. A quick check of My completed WNW kit shows a rectangular hatch in that general location. I also looked at My Roden 1/48th SE5a and it also has a panel/hatch.
(https://i.postimg.cc/k5kCYnyD/IMG-20210709-204639193.jpg)
So I will do some further research and most likely cover the hole with a panel 8)
RAGIII
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Hi Rich,
That panel was apparently for cooling the underside of the engine bay.
On the earlier SE5 it seems that this panel had a flap type cover, which was hinged at the straight, rear edge.
Doubtless operated by the pilot as required.
From photographs of the later SE5a it seems it had a permanent opening for cooling.
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/odds/snap1.jpg)
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Hi Rich,
That panel was apparently for cooling the underside of the engine bay.
On the earlier SE5 it seems that this panel had a flap type cover, which was hinged at the straight, rear edge.
Doubtless operated by the pilot as required.
From photographs of the later SE5a it seems it had a permanent opening for cooling.
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/odds/snap1.jpg)
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Thanks Mike. Interesting in that I didn't realize the "D" shaped opening ever had a cover! That being said the question was reference the circular opening to the rear of the "D" on the 1/32nd Roden kit. The drawings confirm what Roden ( 1/48th kit) and WNW did in offering a plate. The only question now is the exact location as both differ slightly from the drawing ::)
(https://i.postimg.cc/d042Vw24/IMG-20210708-190158551.jpg)
PS: I looked at the photos that Richie posted and it has the panel in the WNW position so I will go with that 8)
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Hi Rich,
Aaah I understand.
Here's the SE5a underside.
Actually that conical indent looks more like its for a model stand to fit into, rather than an aircraft part?
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/odds/seunder.jpg)
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Hi Rich,
Aaah I understand.
Here's the SE5a underside.
Actually that conical indent looks more like its for a model stand to fit into, rather than an aircraft part?
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/odds/seunder.jpg)
Thanks again Mike. Like I said I will go with what WNW represented on their kit. However I did find an SE5a in the WNW archive photos that clearly show a round opening like provided by Roden :o I am attaching a link but not sure it will go where it is intended. One May need to scroll through the photos.
RAGIII
http://www.wingnutwings.com/ww/productdetail?productid=3&cat=1
Just checked and as I feared just links to the archive photo page. It is the 41st photo that I am referring to 8) Perhaps it is what is covered by the plate?
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Hi Rich,
Hmmm I saw those archive shots.
Strange that its not on the WNW or the Vintage aircraft.
Check out James Fahey's photos
Mike
https://jamesfahey.smugmug.com/SE5a/ (https://jamesfahey.smugmug.com/SE5a/)
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Interesting photo Rich. Have not seen one like that before, pitty the area is a bit fuzzy. But there is definately something there. Getting back the the drawings Mike posted. The large half moon opening is indeed for cooling, but never had a cover over it on any SE5 variant. The half moon panel A10799 is the end cap of the fuel tank. The small rectangular opening is the spent cartridge case schute from the vickers, and the square-ish hinged flap/hatch is access to the fuel tank drain valve. Regards, Pete in RI
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Nice photo's! Although in the cockpit shots you can see the square hatch, this reproduction a/c has nothing above it. On the Shuttleworth a/c, (an original 1918 build) there is the tank drain valve, also in period photo's the valve can be seen. Regards, Pete.
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Hi Pete,
Good information,
Thanks,
Mike
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You're welcome. Anytime. Love following your builds Mike, always learn some new technique from them.
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Hi Pete,
Good information,
Thanks,
Mike
I agree!
RAGIII
You're welcome. Anytime. Love following your builds Mike, always learn some new technique from them.
Also thanks on My part Pete. This is one of the Great things about the Forum. Always someone around with knowledge and good reference! I also agree about Mike's builds. I have sanded off the raised edge and filled the opening prior to making My own hatch ;D
RAGIII
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Glad to hear you caught it Rich. Well done.
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Glad to hear you caught it Rich. Well done.
Thanks but You caught it not Me ;D
RAGIII
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In this picture:
(http://www.wingnutwings.com/ww/vFA3EFA01/www/products/model_kitsets/32003/archive_photos/SE.5a%20Hisso%20undercowl%20and%20one%20form%20of%20radiator.jpg)
The possibly circular thing also looks like a possible air scoop thing
Richard
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In this picture:
(http://www.wingnutwings.com/ww/vFA3EFA01/www/products/model_kitsets/32003/archive_photos/SE.5a%20Hisso%20undercowl%20and%20one%20form%20of%20radiator.jpg)
The possibly circular thing also looks like a possible air scoop thing
Richard
Thanks for your input Richard ! I have gone ahead with making My underside closer to the WNW version:
WNW:
(https://i.postimg.cc/tJcpjVZj/IMG-20210710-162300428.jpg)
and the start of My Roden fix:
(https://i.postimg.cc/m20BpCW3/IMG-20210710-162721237.jpg)
Still some tweaking to do 8)
RAGIII
PS: It is a Damn shame that the seam on the WNW build appeared back over time :( I may have to try to fix that someday!
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Nah, turn it over and put it back in the case. Life's too short for fixing models
Richard
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Lol, that's one way to fix it. Those types of seams are notoriously difficult to eradicate. I usually skin them with 5 or 10 thou plastic sheet with the fuselage frames embossed in.
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Nah, turn it over and put it back in the case. Life's too short for fixing models
Richard
That is Exactly what I did.....for Now ;D
RAGIII
Lol, that's one way to fix it. Those types of seams are notoriously difficult to eradicate. I usually skin them with 5 or 10 thou plastic sheet with the fuselage frames embossed in.
I have actually done some different techniques to help permanently eliminate the seam since the WNW SE5a build. In the Meantime Richards suggestion works 8)
RAGIII
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Good fix on the underside, Rick!
It's all these little details that make a difference to the completed article.
Regards
Dave
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Today I primed the airframe and wings with a Tamiya grey. One more filling and sanding session needed on the top of the upper wing surface and the bottom of the lower wing where the triangular cutouts were filled.
RAGIII
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Looking great Rick!
WD
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Shaping up nicely!
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I miss this by 3 weeks and suddenly there's an Se5a nearly done!! Nice work on this one
Steve
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I think the excellent priming shows all the fine details very well.
I'm sure this SE5a is going to look equally great to all the other models you've done Rick!
Looking forward to the end result.
Willem
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Great progress Rick, I'm very much looking forward to seeing the finished model. I get the impression it won't be a long wait.
Richie
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Certainly making excellent progress with this one rick. As for the WNW SE I would follow Richard's suggestion too - after a couple of weeks you will have completely forgotten about it!
Stephen.
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Getting primer on always makes the model look so much more finished... not that strange really, I suppose, but to me it the change is greater than just colour... can't really explain it though.
Looks good anyway!
/Fredrik
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looking good, i'm always worried about doing too much sanding in case i lose the details
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I wasn't here for a while... it looks amazing, what you are doing, Rick!
Best regards,
Andreas
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Nice update, Rick.
Coming along nicely ;)
Bob
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I miss this by 3 weeks and suddenly there's an Se5a nearly done!! Nice work on this one
Steve
Thanks Steve. Still a long way to go 8)
RAGIII
I think the excellent priming shows all the fine details very well.
I'm sure this SE5a is going to look equally great to all the other models you've done Rick!
Looking forward to the end result.
Willem
Thanks Willem. I have just done what I hope is the final priming coat.
RAGIII
Great progress Rick, I'm very much looking forward to seeing the finished model. I get the impression it won't be a long wait.
Richie
Thanks Richie. I am getting close to the painting stage but can't proceed until I receive the Strippers from Bob 8)
RAGIII
Certainly making excellent progress with this one rick. As for the WNW SE I would follow Richard's suggestion too - after a couple of weeks you will have completely forgotten about it!
Stephen.
Thanks Stephen, and Yes I have followed Richard, and your advice ::)
RAGIII
Getting primer on always makes the model look so much more finished... not that strange really, I suppose, but to me it the change is greater than just colour... can't really explain it though.
Looks good anyway!
/Fredrik
Yes Fredrik, once any kind of paint goes on the Model starts to look more lifelike!
RAGIII
looking good, i'm always worried about doing too much sanding in case i lose the details
Thanks for commenting. I have had two more minor filling and sanding sessions since the last post. I do lose a small amount of detail but hopefully strategic rib tapes and painting will bring it back.
RAGIII
I wasn't here for a while... it looks amazing, what you are doing, Rick!
Best regards,
Andreas
Thanks Andreas, nice to have you back!
RAGIII
Nice update, Rick.
Coming along nicely ;)
Bob
Thanks von B!
RAGIII
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Not a lot done since last time but I think the filling and sanding is finally done. I have applied the final primer so it doesn't look much different than the last update. I have also worked on the resin prop blades and spinner. Next is adding a few subtle wrinkles to the fuselage fabric.
RAGIII
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Looking really good so far Rick , I like the prop , well done :)
Alexis
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Looking really good so far Rick , I like the prop , well done :)
Alexis
Thanks Alexis. Great to see you back and posting! I have made some progress. I added the subtle wrinkles using a CHEAP acrylic paint from Wal Mart. I did the final priming and then sprayed the upper surfaces with a mix of Tamiya Khaki Drab, Olive Drab, and a touch of Hull red. It looks brownish in some lighting and greenish in others. Perfect for My thoughts on PC 10. Once I receive My strippers I will go back and do some shading and more paint work on the PC 10.
RAGIII
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your wrinkles look great (not often you can say that and get away with it :D )
What's the technique if you don't mind me asking?
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Nice wrinkles Rick, was looking at SE5a photos and wondering how to create them only a few days ago. I really like your PC10 colour, Raymond Collishaw described his Tripelane as being dark green, Cecil Lewis described his SE5 as being chocolate brown. Your mix could easily be described as both by different people. Must be pretty much spot on.
Richie
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WOW, with that big spinner and four-bladed prop and the square chin, is anybody else thinking of a Hawker Typhoon?
Great stuff!
Sandy
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Once I receive My strippers I will go back and do some shading and more paint work on the PC 10.
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Does your wife know Rich? And how will they help with painting?
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This is coming along really well. I like your PC10 mix, looks spot on to my eyes. Regards Pete in RI
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your wrinkles look great (not often you can say that and get away with it :D )
What's the technique if you don't mind me asking?
Thanks. The method I use for the wrinkles is simple. I start with a thick acrylic craft paint. I apply it where i Want wrinkles( heavy puddle) Next a pointed round brush is drawn through the paint in the direction I want the wrinkles. This pulls paint with it leaving a valley. Move to the next one and repeat. Smooth it out where you want the wrinkles to end. I usually go back and add a bit of the acrylic to each individual wrinkle to make sure it doesn't flatten out. When the paint is dry I brush valejo or polyscale over it all. Takes longer to explain than it does to do the painting ::)
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Nice wrinkles Rick, was looking at SE5a photos and wondering how to create them only a few days ago. I really like your PC10 colour, Raymond Collishaw described his Tripelane as being dark green, Cecil Lewis described his SE5 as being chocolate brown. Your mix could easily be described as both by different people. Must be pretty much spot on.
Richie
Thanks Richie. My goal with PC 10 is usually to get some color shift between brown and green depending on the light. I am Not Always successful :o
RAGIII
WOW, with that big spinner and four-bladed prop and the square chin, is anybody else thinking of a Hawker Typhoon?
Great stuff!
Sandy
Thanks Sandy. Well 56 did fly the Typhoon ;D
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Once I receive My strippers I will go back and do some shading and more paint work on the PC 10.
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Does your wife know Rich? And how will they help with painting?
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Had to tell the wife she runs the finances 8)
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This is coming along really well. I like your PC10 mix, looks spot on to my eyes. Regards Pete in RI
Thanks Pete!
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Good, fast progress here, Rick -
I'm filing that fabric wrinkle trick for future uses - very effective.
Regards
Dave
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your wrinkles look great (not often you can say that and get away with it :D )
What's the technique if you don't mind me asking?
Thanks. The method I use for the wrinkles is simple. I start with a thick acrylic craft paint. I apply it where i Want wrinkles( heavy puddle) Next a pointed round brush is drawn through the paint in the direction I want the wrinkles. This pulls paint with it leaving a valley. Move to the next one and repeat. Smooth it out where you want the wrinkles to end. I usually go back and add a bit of the acrylic to each individual wrinkle to make sure it doesn't flatten out. When the paint is dry I brush valejo or polyscale over it all. Takes longer to explain than it does to do the painting ::)
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Thanks for the explanation, i gave it a go earlier but have used vallejo plastic putty rather than acrylic paint. I'll see how it looks once painted
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Great progress Rick. Like others I like your wrinkles. Have to remember your method.
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As usual, great progress and neat work Rick.
Thanks for explaining the wrinkle-technique for us. It's in my notebook now :)
Willem
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Good decision Rick to build it with a 4 blade prop, looks very special with this huge spinner.
This tells me to do also a 4 blade of the second kit of the Eduard Dual Combo in my stash, thanks for that.
May be I have overlooked it, how you masked the engine during the PC10 paint job? Is some liquid mask on it?
Great project with a lot of interesting info in this thread!
Cheers,
Frank
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Great progress, Rick. Nice touch with the wrinkles. I've noticed a number of British aircraft tend to have wrinkling of the covering which is not seen so much on French and other aircraft.
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Hmmm , old and wrinkly ... I like it !
Nice job on adding the wrinkles to the fabric , really adds to the overall effect bringing it to life ! :)
Alexis
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I like your wrinkles too... 😎 ... and the idea/tip comes just in time for me to use on my FK8. Thanks!
/Fredrik
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Awesome build and amazing techniques . . Thanks
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Great progress Rick. Like others I like your wrinkles. Have to remember your method.
Thanks! The wrinkles can be done more prominently, cover larger areas etc. I wanted small and subtle 8)
RAGIII
As usual, great progress and neat work Rick.
Thanks for explaining the wrinkle-technique for us. It's in my notebook now :)
Willem
Thanks Willem. With a little practice this method works well!
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Good decision Rick to build it with a 4 blade prop, looks very special with this huge spinner.
This tells me to do also a 4 blade of the second kit of the Eduard Dual Combo in my stash, thanks for that.
May be I have overlooked it, how you masked the engine during the PC10 paint job? Is some liquid mask on it?
Great project with a lot of interesting info in this thread!
Cheers,
Frank
Thanks Frank!
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Great progress, Rick. Nice touch with the wrinkles. I've noticed a number of British aircraft tend to have wrinkling of the covering which is not seen so much on French and other aircraft.
Thanks Ken. Yes, perhaps it has to do with all of the lacing on the sides ;D
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Hmmm , old and wrinkly ... I like it !
Nice job on adding the wrinkles to the fabric , really adds to the overall effect bringing it to life ! :)
Alexis
Thanks Alexis!
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I like your wrinkles too... 😎 ... and the idea/tip comes just in time for me to use on my FK8. Thanks!
/Fredrik
Thanks and good luck on the FK8!
RAGIII
Awesome build and amazing techniques . . Thanks
Thanks for the comments!
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In the meantime My strippers arrived today! Time to get back to work 8)
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Oh, those are the strippers.
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Only the best 'strippers' leave these premises, Ken ;D ;D
Glad they made the trip across the pond without injury.
Keep up the great work on the SE5.a Rick.
Bob
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Oh, those are the strippers.
Only the best 'strippers' leave these premises, Ken ;D ;D
Glad they made the trip across the pond without injury.
Keep up the great work on the SE5.a Rick.
Bob
So I have gone back to this one and here are the initial results of using the Strippers: After using the masks I painted Tamiya Buff. Next is covering with thin coats of the Tamiya Mix of PC10.
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Great to see this one back underway Rick, are the strippers decal strips or styrene? They're going to give a beautiful effect under the pc10. I love the business like lines of the SE5a, it's definitely not graceful like a Pup or a Nieuport but i find there's something very handsome about it.
Richie
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I like rick , looking forward to the next stage :)
Alexis
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Great to see this one back underway Rick, are the strippers decal strips or styrene? They're going to give a beautiful effect under the pc10. I love the business like lines of the SE5a, it's definitely not graceful like a Pup or a Nieuport but i find there's something very handsome about it.
Richie
Richie,
The rib tapes are paint. I used the strips from Bobs Buckles to mask and paint.
RAGIII
I like rick , looking forward to the next stage :)
Alexis
Thanks Alexis. Here is the SE after a thin coat of PC 10.
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nice to see this moving along and the rib tapes look great
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Good results!
/Fredrik
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nice to see this moving along and the rib tapes look great
Thanks!
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Good results!
/Fredrik
Thanks Fredrik!
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Only just seen that this one is back on the move Rick. The ribs look very realistic, as does your shade of PC 10. Looks like another of your masterful models will be completed before too long - this time successfully I hope!
Stephen.
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This is progressing very nicely. I'm following each instalment as a guide for a future attempt on this kit too. So many kits to make, so little time! As always I'm impressed by your sheer modelling throughput!
Sandy
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Only just seen that this one is back on the move Rick. The ribs look very realistic, as does your shade of PC 10. Looks like another of your masterful models will be completed before too long - this time successfully I hope!
Stephen.
Thanks Stephen!
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Thanks Bob ;D
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This is progressing very nicely. I'm following each instalment as a guide for a future attempt on this kit too. So many kits to make, so little time! As always I'm impressed by your sheer modelling throughput!
Sandy
Thanks Sandy. I hope I don't let you down :o
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More progress. Undersides of wing and tail plane painted CDL using Tamiya Buff/white mix. I used Tamiya Tape for curves and Bobs strippers to do the PC 10 outline/border. A clear coat to seal it then started on the decals.
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That looks fabulous Rick! This is going to be a beautiful completed model. Keep going!
Best regards,
Bob
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Oh yeah. Are those the kit decals?
Bob
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great paint job and the decals have really brought it to life, what's not to love :D
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Great progress, Rick. The strippers did a good job.
An SE5a may just show up on my to do list.
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I love how that 4 blade really changes the look of the nose !
Alexis
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Certainly looking good Rick. Fingers crossed that this one make it intact to the finish line.
Stephen.
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It looks like you will add two birds in PC10 to your collection soon. Do not mix it with SPAD parts! ;)
This white tapes for curves works great, but I had some trouble ones after I had it on for to long time.
Cheers,
Frank
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That looks fabulous Rick! This is going to be a beautiful completed model. Keep going!
Best regards,
Bob
Thanks Bob!
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Oh yeah. Are those the kit decals?
Bob
Yes, These are the Encore kit decals. They are quite nicely done.
RAGIII
great paint job and the decals have really brought it to life, what's not to love :D
Thanks for the positive feedback!
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Great progress, Rick. The strippers did a good job.
An SE5a may just show up on my to do list.
Thanks Ken. I would love to see you do an SE!
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I love how that 4 blade really changes the look of the nose !
Alexis
If not the prop that large spinner certainly changes the look!
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Certainly looking good Rick. Fingers crossed that this one make it intact to the finish line.
Stephen.
Thanks Stephen. A little weathering then the moment of Truth ::)
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It looks like you will add two birds in PC10 to your collection soon. Do not mix it with SPAD parts! ;)
This white tapes for curves works great, but I had some trouble ones after I had it on for to long time.
Cheers,
Frank
Lets hope so Frank ! The Tamiya Tape can be tricky on certain paints. I have learned to Never use it over Valejo. Tamiya paints seem to hold up well. I always lift it off as soon as possible!
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Hi Rick Thats a great heads up about Tamiya tape and Valejo. I quite like Valejo’s PC12 and it's satin effect. I find Tamiya great but prefer Velejo with the brush as I'm a bit impatient putting on layers Following with interest another awesome build :) Daz
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Hi Rick Thats a great heads up about Tamiya tape and Valejo. I quite like Valejo’s PC12 and it's satin effect. I find Tamiya great but prefer Velejo with the brush as I'm a bit impatient putting on layers Following with interest another awesome build :) Daz
Thanks! I have added the landing gear and am ready to start adding the wing struts:
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Also I must say I suck at using Acrylics for figures. No matter ow I tried the mixes kept coming up green for the uniform. I will re do with oils!
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That is looking magnificent Rick. Is it green? Is it brown? No, it's a perfect PC10! :)
Seriously though, these photos really show how effective your paint mix is, it very much looks the part.
Richie
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I agree with Richie - this is really looking the part. Just hope that this one makes it to the finish line.....intact!
Stephen.
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Well, it was really close. If I had stopped at a certain point it might still be a project. But I kept pushing on and things got progressively worse...until this!
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It is just a lost battle...keep on and you will win.
This can easily be repaired and then you have a very beautiful plane :)
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Sad to see this happen Rick .
I know you will make repairs and still come up with a stunner :)
Alexis
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I thought about making a comment about you taking realism too far with McCudden's engine cutting out on take off and he trying to turn back rather than glide straight, but then realised I shouldn't. Oh hell, I just have.
Seriously though, mate, it's too near completion to give up. Put it in a box, have a beer, do something else for a couple of days, then come back to it forensically and calmly sort it out.
It has been progressing fantastically and there's so much good work in there, it'd be a crying shame not to see it rise again.
Sandy
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Ohh Rick...
I'm so sorry to see this happen.
Yet, you are known to perform miracles in the event of of mishap. I am sure you will be able to fix it and turn out a beautiful model!
Willem
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Come on then - 'fess up. What happened?
Richard
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NOOoooooo!!!!! Oh Rick, it was looking fantastic and was so nearly there! I agree with with what has been said about repairs being possible. Especially Sandy's suggestion of a few cold beers before coming back to it refreshed. Then again, it's all about fun and maybe you've had all you need from this one. Don't bin it though, you might come back to it one day.
Richie
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Hmmm...what to do?
Put some bullet holes in it and call it a crashed SE5. ;D
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Oh, Rick no, what a bugger!!!
I feel your pain, mate - is it repairable?
Regards
Dave
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I feel your pain, Rick. Truly! :-[
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You have been here before Rick - and recovered. Follow the very sound advice given above, put it to one side for a time and then come back and carry out the repairs needed to finish it. I am sure that a very good model can rise from the bits on your bench - don't give up now.
Stephen.
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Oh no! It looks like it is about to be shipped to France.
Take heart though. They all look like clean breaks and you might well be back up and running in the space of an afternoon.
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Hi Rich,
Tragedy, but you can recover this.
Here's how 'Barker's' Camel I built arrived in Canada.
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Here's the model after I got it returned to me in the UK and I repaired it.
Sent back to Canada and arrived intact the second time.
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Don't waste it, go for it,
Mike
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Rick, I also think you may try repairing that SE5a. My experience is that before the rigging stage it is feasible. Go for it, my friend!
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SSSSHHHH*****TTTT!!!!!!
But on the second view, it’s looking like it could be fixed! Don’t bin it, please! Leave it aside until your anger has disappeared, the. Have a fresh look at it!
I wish you all the best with it!
Andreas
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Thanks so much for all of the support. I am going to throw it in the box and forget about it for a while. Oddly I am not too upset as this seems to be theme for Me recently. I guess I have become comfortably Numb 8) If worse comes to worse I will saw off the rear fuselage and do a Wedge with the figure ;D
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Thanks so much for all of the support. I am going to throw it in the box and forget about it for a while. Oddly I am not too upset as this seems to be theme for Me recently. I guess I have become comfortably Numb 8) If worse comes to worse I will saw off the rear fuselage and do a Wedge with the figure ;D
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What was it caught you out? I'm interested as I have this kit in my stash, a heads up would be useful
Richard
There is no pain, you are receding
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Thanks so much for all of the support. I am going to throw it in the box and forget about it for a while. Oddly I am not too upset as this seems to be theme for Me recently. I guess I have become comfortably Numb 8) If worse comes to worse I will saw off the rear fuselage and do a Wedge with the figure ;D
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What was it caught you out? I'm interested as I have this kit in my stash, a heads up would be useful
Richard
There is no pain, you are receding
I am sure you will have No Problem with this kit Richard! I was one strut away from done, then things went wrong. Started to sag, another strut came loose, superglue applied, broke an interplane strut in half, then the whole upper wing separated! At that point the floor seemed like a good place to throw the Model :'( The resulting damage is evident.
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So an interplane strut problem then - did the cabane struts give way as well?
Richard
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So an interplane strut problem then - did the cabane struts give way as well?
Richard
Yes, once one went they all started to fail. This really would be no issue if I had a biplane jig!
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Yes, once one went they all started to fail. This really would be no issue if I had a biplane jig!
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OK, that's really useful. I shall see if I can firmly attach the cabane struts to the fuselage sides at an early stage.
It sounds like you got caught out in the 'balancing the wing on matchsticks' trap
Richard
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Rick, Let's see the thread heading changed to :
Encore/Roden SE5a McCudden 56 sq....3rd try: Resurrection !
We're rooting for you.
Sandy
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Hi Rick,
You may want to take a look here:
https://www.hobby.dn.ua/en/laser-model-graver-lmg-wooden-building-berth-for-172148132-scales-p-78586.html
https://www.hobby.dn.ua/en/?search-text=LMG+BB-02
I don't know if they are available in the US, but as we know, there are ways to work around this. ;)
I have a couple of sets to assemble the V/1500 later on. The are quit sturdy and and easy to use and put together.
And then there's also this:
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/sram-t-02-biplane-assembly-jig--365411
I don't know about availability though, just this on Scelemates under 'Marketplace'
There are more brands, but on those my memory fails.
Willem
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so sorry to see this rick, it was looking so good but as others have said it still looks salvageable. Good move to stick it in a box and come back to it when the negative memories have gone. I look forward to seeing what you start next
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I'm so sorry to see this one go down in flames, Rick. It was shaping up so well, and a great scheme, quite my favourite ace! As everyone says, put it in a box and one day we can come back to this unique build.. Regards, Marc.
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Oh, what a shame. Always sad when something like this happens. Put it in the box and let it rest for a while. I think the damage is repairable. The model is worth it. As I am very clumsy this had happened to me several times and you can't see anything on the finished model.
Don't be sad,
Manni
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Rick, I am so sorry and hurt to see this!
In my Halberstadt build thread Ken described the problem in wonderful words:
The landing gear and the tailplane mounting are just examples of the shortcomings of injection molded kits - the maker uses only what is available to them and what is feasible to do with the injection molding process. For some applications, it is not the best way.
Your use of different materials that are more suitable for the application
Especially in exact scale produced parts are not able to hold the load, bend and broken struts are a problem also in long term.
Sometimes there are accessories to overcome this, e.g. the brass mold wing struts for the Meng Dr.I. The white metal replacements are not much better the plastic.
So I can only strongly recommend to replace such parts by wood, bamboo or squezzed brass tubing - all with pins for secure mount. A little bit more work during preparation, but trouble free mounting and a more robust model in long term.
Cheers,
Frank
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So, as the title Now suggests this one is going the direction that 56 sq. chose as a maskot. Pheonix rising from the ashes 8)
RAGIII
Damage as seen on page 9 of this thread:
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I have begun to repair the damage shown earlier in the thread. The landing gear spreader bar and fairing had to be repaired by adding new axles for the wheels.
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I will also add a surprise. later....of course 8)
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;D I'm glad this one is back. Three times a charm.
I'll have to do a SE5a sometime.
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;D I'm glad this one is back. Three times a charm.
I'll have to do a SE5a sometime.
Thanks Ken!
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PS: Thanks Lance for providing the strut I needed to get back to work on this one!
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Break a leg Rick! ;)
Cheers,
Lance
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Keep at it Rick. Nice jig by the way.
WD
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Break a leg Rick! ;)
Cheers,
Lance
;D
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Keep at it Rick. Nice jig by the way.
WD
Thanks Warren!
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and the Surprise: I will build a companion Viper Powered SE5a from 56 squadron.
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And I thought that the jig was the surprise!!
As Ken has written, three times a charm. The Roden version should also be interesting to follow.
Stephen.
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Tip. For anyone assembling a clear plastic jig like shown in the previous post, I have found that the best cement is clear Gorilla Glue packaged in a 3.75 ounce (110ml) bottle. Very strong bond. I previously tried epoxy and CYA but they proved to be too brittle.
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You are not one to linger are you Rick ;)
I think the SE5a is a great choice. I will be following this one with great interest!
Willem
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And I thought that the jig was the surprise!!
As Ken has written, three times a charm. The Roden version should also be interesting to follow.
Stephen.
Thanks for the support Stephen. I will most likely do a lot of work on the Roden Viper version prior to completing the Encore/Roden SE.
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Tip. For anyone assembling a clear plastic jig like shown in the previous post, I have found that the best cement is clear Gorilla Glue packaged in a 3.75 ounce (110ml) bottle. Very strong bond. I previously tried epoxy and CYA but they proved to be too brittle.
Thanks for the tip! I think I used Gorilla two part Epoxy on mine. If it begins to fall apart in the future I will try the other Gorilla product!
RAGIII
You are not one to linger are you Rick ;)
Willem
No resting on Laurels Here Willem! I don't know if you noticed in the DH2 thread but I also have a slightly Off Topic build underway 8)
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great to see you're going to be revisiting this one and looking forward to seeing the roden one come together. I really should get back to my s.e.5a but some of the rigging wires have pulled through and i just don't fancy trying to fix them at this point
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".... I don't know if you noticed in the DH2 thread but I also have a slightly Off Topic build underway 8) ..."
I followed the DH2 thread, but I'm not sure what off topic build you mean Rick.
Willem
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".... I don't know if you noticed in the DH2 thread but I also have a slightly Off Topic build underway 8) ..."
I followed the DH2 thread, but I'm not sure what off topic build you mean Rick.
Willem
Willem, his ot build is in the photo he posted above next to the DH2.
WD
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It must be old age... Or I need new reading glasses.
I see it now in post #293. I do not recogise it, but I think it must be WWII?
Willem
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It must be old age... Or I need new reading glasses.
I see it now in post #293. I do not recogise it, but I think it must be WWII?
Willem
I believe it's in post 162.
WD
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It must be old age... Or I need new reading glasses.
I see it now in post #293. I do not recogise it, but I think it must be WWII?
Willem
I believe it's in post 162.
WD
Just in case you weren't kidding around :D
Here you go Willem. Slightly Off Topic Canadair CL13 Sabre 6. To be painted in JG71 "Richthofen" Markings, thus the Slightly! 8)
(https://i.postimg.cc/B6m7P62q/IMG-20220304-181957526.jpg)
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Ah, thanks for explaining Rick. No, I wasn't kidding. You can ask me anything about the Handley Page bombers of WWI, but other than that I know just a few WWII fighters and bombers and absolutely nothing about jet fighters. Well there it is.
So, I looked this one up. I looks cool in the 1959 camouflage, but I am sure the one you are building will look much cooler.
And frankly, I don't know how you keep track of all your simultaneous builds. It would drive me berserk!
Willem
Oh, and it's confirmed: I need new reading glasses... :o
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Ah, thanks for explaining Rick. No, I wasn't kidding. You can ask me anything about the Handley Page bombers of WWI, but other than that I know just a few WWII fighters and bombers and absolutely nothing about jet fighters. Well there it is.
So, I looked this one up. I looks cool in the 1959 camouflage, but I am sure the one you are building will look much cooler.
And frankly, I don't know how you keep track of all your simultaneous builds. It would drive me berserk!
Willem
Oh, and it's confirmed: I need new reading glasses... :o
We all have our areas that we lack knowledge in Willem. I can't tell the difference between a HP 0100 and 0400 :o Today My plan is to give the Viper powered SE some bench time.
RAGIII
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".... I don't know if you noticed in the DH2 thread but I also have a slightly Off Topic build underway 8) ..."
I followed the DH2 thread, but I'm not sure what off topic build you mean Rick.
Willem
I'm not entirely sure, but there may be a clue hidden to the right of this picture ;D:
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Yes, I know I know... :-[
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It must be old age... Or I need new reading glasses.
I see it now in post #293. I do not recogise it, but I think it must be WWII?
Willem
I believe it's in post 162.
WD
Just in case you weren't kidding around :D
Here you go Willem. Slightly Off Topic Canadair CL13 Sabre 6. To be painted in JG71 "Richthofen" Markings, thus the Slightly! 8)
(https://i.postimg.cc/B6m7P62q/IMG-20220304-181957526.jpg)
RAGIII
Are you sure that is a bi-plane Rick ?
Hope when you are finished that one you share some pic's
Alexis
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Thanks for dropping by Zac and Alexis. To get things back on topic I started some basic work on the Roden Viper SE5a. Some framing added to the cockpit area of the fuselage and cut out the openings for the aileron control inspection panels.
RAGIII
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Great to see you are tackling the Roden SE5a Rick. The Roden kit is unfairly dismissed by the Wingnuts fans but it's actually a nice kit that like all Roden kits rewards a careful approach and delivers a fine model- as you yourself have often shown with your other Roden builds.
I have this kit and started it some years ago but it stalled as other projects took priority, However your post has made me revisit this model and so I shall follow your build with much interest.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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Great to see you are tackling the Roden SE5a Rick. The Roden kit is unfairly dismissed by the Wingnuts fans but it's actually a nice kit that like all Roden kits rewards a careful approach and delivers a fine model- as you yourself have often shown with your other Roden builds.
I have this kit and started it some years ago but it stalled as other projects took priority, However your post has made me revisit this model and so I shall follow your build with much interest.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
Thanks Dave. I have built the WNW kit and "Almost" built three of the Roden kits. My curse hass been that I get them rigged or ready to rig and then disaster. The first Viper SE I built got knocked off of My display case just after rigging. No fault of the kit and it does look great when aqssembled. I Hope to break the curse with these two 8)
RAGIII
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I Hope to break the curse with these two 8)
To paraphrase Scott Carpenter: Godspeed, RAGIII!
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Rick - that thing with a hole in the back....where are the rigging and control wires? It is a pusher after all!
Good to see that you are giving a real aeroplane a go - I have a soft spot for the SE 5 - somehow it has a rugged but businesslike look about it.
Stephen.
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I Hope to break the curse with these two 8)
To paraphrase Scott Carpenter: Godspeed, RAGIII!
;D
RAGIII
Rick - that thing with a hole in the back....where are the rigging and control wires? It is a pusher after all!
Good to see that you are giving a real aeroplane a go - I have a soft spot for the SE 5 - somehow it has a rugged but businesslike look about it.
Stephen.
Only I would choose to relax from building a pusher to doing another ::) The rigging will be much easier on the big one with the hole in back ;D As for the SE, it is one of My favorites also!
RAGIII
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I spent a few hours of bench time today finishing the framework and beginning the interior painting process. I added some wrinkles to the interior using thick acryic craft paint. The interior surfaces were then sprayed with a mix of a Tamiya beige and white. Afterwards oils were used in the usual manner to create a wood effect. Next up once the oils dry will be washes and dry brushing to pull it all together.
RAGIII
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Looking promising Rick! I have a 48th SE on my list so I'll be watching closely for inspiration.
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Nice start with the wood work Rick and I like the fabric effect on the inside .
Alexis
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Looking promising Rick! I have a 48th SE on my list so I'll be watching closely for inspiration.
Thanks Zac. If you are going to build the 1/48th Roden kit If I recall correctly it pretty much assembles identically to this 1/32nd version. Although I don't think it had the engine?
RAGIII
Nice start with the wood work Rick and I like the fabric effect on the inside .
Alexis
Thanks Alexis. If all goes well today I will apply the washes, do some drybrushing, add some Tamiya clear orange to the frames, and finally add the bracing wires 8)
RAGIII
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I have applied the washes to dirty up the cockpit. Also used Tamiya clear orange...sparingly. Finally the bracing wires have been added using stretched sprue. This is one of those cockpits that when all is said and done, not much shows.
RAGIII
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Looking great Rick.
WD
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Looking great Rick.
WD
Thanks Warren!
RAIII
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Awesome Rick , looks fantastic all dirty up !
Alexis
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That looks excellent Rick, great work!
If you are going to build the 1/48th Roden kit If I recall correctly it pretty much assembles identically to this 1/32nd version. Although I don't think it had the engine?
That's handy to know, thank you. I'm happy without an engine.
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Awesome Rick , looks fantastic all dirty up !
Alexis
Thanks Alexis. I do like MY aircraft to have a well used look 8)
RAGIII
That looks excellent Rick, great work!
If you are going to build the 1/48th Roden kit If I recall correctly it pretty much assembles identically to this 1/32nd version. Although I don't think it had the engine?
That's handy to know, thank you. I'm happy without an engine.
Thanks Zac! I worked a bit on the seat and cut out the inspection panels on the tail surfaces yesterday. Today I hope to start adding a few details to the interior and work on the IP.
RAGIII
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Nice progress on this one Rick! I know I'm going to enjoy and learn a lot.. Regards, Marc.
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Nice! Funagain begunagain!!
Steve
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Nice progress on this one Rick! I know I'm going to enjoy and learn a lot.. Regards, Marc.
Thanks Marc . I am not going to do much that is out of the ordinary but as always I appreciate the feedback!
RAGIII
Nice! Funagain begunagain!!
Steve
Yep ;D I did a bit more work Yesterday. I used British instruments from an Eduard WW1 PE set to enhance the IP. I am sure they are not in their proper place compared to the real bird but they do look better than No Instruments at all 8)
RAGIII
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RAGIII
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That's all looking very good, Rick. The IP is great!
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That's all looking very good, Rick. The IP is great!
Thanks Ken! One more a little closer:
(https://i.postimg.cc/s2Rf2spH/IMG-20220312-190515411-HDR.jpg)
RAGIII
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This build is getting on very nicely Rick. Very good IP, and in this pic you can really see the woodgrain detail. Looks super!
Willem
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Looks great from here Rick, great job!
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This build is getting on very nicely Rick. Very good IP, and in this pic you can really see the woodgrain detail. Looks super!
Willem
Thanks Willem! I didn't go too crazy with the wood grain as not much in front of the fabric is visible once assembled :o
RAGIII
Looks great from here Rick, great job!
Thanks Zac. I did a bit of work on the engine today. I am not going to detail much as once closed up only the cylinder heads re visible. I will add the piping to the bottom as one can "Just Glimpse" this through the openings in the bottom of the fuselage. I also finished the seat and all is ready to be installed in the fuselage. One note on the engine. It is essential to get the cylinders lined up properly as the protruding head are critical to aligning the engine covers. What is seen in the photo is Not Glued together with the exception of the fuselage halves.
RAGIII
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PS: Now I need to Drill some rigging attachment holes prior to further assembly.
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I love the instrument panel! The overall effect is just brilliant... and useful tips on getting it all together! One would almost think you've done this before... All The Best! Marc
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Well done Rick - coming together very nicely.
Cheers,
Gary
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Lovely work Rick! She's shaping up very nicely indeed.
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I love the instrument panel! The overall effect is just brilliant... and useful tips on getting it all together! One would almost think you've done this before... All The Best! Marc
Once again thanks for commenting Marc. I have crashed More of these than most have built ;D
RAGIII
Well done Rick - coming together very nicely.
Cheers,
Gary
Thanks for the kind comment Gary!
RAGIII
Lovely work Rick! She's shaping up very nicely indeed.
As always, thanks Zac!
RAGIII
So today I spent a couple of hours drilling rigging holes prior to assembling the fuselage to the lower wing. All is now ready to do the control lines in the interior. The seat is not glued in.
RAGIII
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Very nice work on both, Rick! The interiors look brilliant!
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Very nice work on both, Rick! The interiors look brilliant!
Thanks Gaz!
RAGIII
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Today will be the last day of modeling for a little over a week. Going on a Long Planned Vacation to CA. to visit MY Son and Grandkids. Just for Fun and to get more in the Spirit of the Viper SE5a build I just finished reading G-M's book. The cover is very close to how I will do the model except I think I am going to paint the Nose/Radiator Red.
RAGIII
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Catching up Rick. The interior details look super - and who would know, leta alone see, if the instrument panel is not quite as per the original. Something in there is better than nothing!
Have a good holiday with your family.
Stephen.
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Catching up Rick. The interior details look super - and who would know, leta alone see, if the instrument panel is not quite as per the original. Something in there is better than nothing!
Have a good holiday with your family.
Stephen.
Thanks Stephen! The end of todays session. IP glued on, added a throttle? to the left side of the upper cowl / fuselage inside, rudder and aileron controls etc. Then seeing no reason not to, I glued the upper fuselage on to the lower part.
RAGIII
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Hello Rick -
Nice quality work here - I'll keep my fingers crossed for you on building this one - showing great promise.
Regards
Dave
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I really should stop popping in here, each post has me wanting a 1/48 SE.5a more and more! Lovely work Rick - but you're a bad influence! ;D
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Hello Rick -
Nice quality work here - I'll keep my fingers crossed for you on building this one - showing great promise.
Regards
Dave
Thanks Dave, greatly appreciated.
RAGIII
I really should stop popping in here, each post has me wanting a 1/48 SE.5a more and more! Lovely work Rick - but you're a bad influence! ;D
Thanks and don't quit looking. I would love to see you tackle the Roden SE5a in 1/48th ;D
RAGIII
PS: This is my old build of the Roden 1/48th scale SE5A Zac.
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Very promising start on the Se!
Andreas
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Thanks and don't quit looking. I would love to see you tackle the Roden SE5a in 1/48th ;D
RAGIII
PS: This is my old build of the Roden 1/48th scale SE5A Zac.
(https://i.postimg.cc/CKyLdLBQ/17247352322-1beb7d7c39-b.jpg)
You're not helping!! ;D
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Thanks and don't quit looking. I would love to see you tackle the Roden SE5a in 1/48th ;D
RAGIII
PS: This is my old build of the Roden 1/48th scale SE5A Zac.
You're not helping!! ;D
;D
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After esting a day or two following MY Vacation I have gotten back to work on the two SE5as'. I have drilled all of the rigging holes in the Viper version and made sure that all were still opened on the McCudden bird. I also installed the engine and cowling on Grinnell-Milnes viper.
RAGIII
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I added some wrinkles using sprue goo:
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That's great progress, Rick -
Like the added wrinkles to the fuselage. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you on this SE5a build.
Regards
Dave
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That's great progress, Rick -
Like the added wrinkles to the fuselage. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you on this SE5a build.
Regards
Dave
Thanks Dave! Here is a little heads up on the tail rigging. The "Standard" rigging is seen on the WNW instruction sheet below:
(https://i.postimg.cc/N0vfdH9Q/SE-5a-Page-16.jpg)
In 56 squadron it was discovered that in prolonged dives there was a tendency for the fin / tail to twist. The remedy was a 3rd bracing wire. Encore/ Roden got this correct so if anyone is doing a 56 squadron SE5a add this wire:
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Progessing is coming along nicely Rick
Alexis
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Fine progress.
And that is an interesting rigging detail, I was not aware of. Thanks for sharing this, Rick.
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Great progress, Rick. Likewise, the additional rigging cable is a detail that has escaped me for over half a decade! Muchas gracias.
Sandy
P.S. it seems RAGIII Sqdn planes also have a tendency to dive OOC - maybe a few extra rigging lines would be a useful precaution on all future builds?
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Great progress on both aircraft Rick!
Again, if you keep up this speed of building, you will soon need a new display cabinet ;)
Willem
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Excellent work, Rick!
Keep going ;)
Bob
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Progessing is coming along nicely Rick
Alexis
Thanks Alexis!
RAGIII
Fine progress.
And that is an interesting rigging detail, I was not aware of. Thanks for sharing this, Rick.
Thanks Przemo! As for the tail rigging it is explained in "High In The Empty Blue" using period sketches. Since we are talking about WW1 aircraft I probably should have said if doing a 56 squadron SE5a it "Most Likely" had the 3rd wire ;D
RAGIII
Great progress, Rick. Likewise, the additional rigging cable is a detail that has escaped me for over half a decade! Muchas gracias.
Sandy
P.S. it seems RAGIII Sqdn planes also have a tendency to dive OOC - maybe a few extra rigging lines would be a useful precaution on all future builds?
Thanks Sandy. As for the tail rigging note My comment to Przemo above. Lets hope that extra wire works as you suggest for My "Nosedives" ::)
RAGIII
Great progress on both aircraft Rick!
Again, if you keep up this speed of building, you will soon need a new display cabinet ;)
Willem
Thanks Willem. You are correct about a "New Display Case". I can fit one of the two SE5a models in My 2nd case, the other will need a new home ;D
RAGIII
Excellent work, Rick!
Keep going ;)
Bob
Thanks Bob!
RAGIII
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Rick,
Add me to the list of those who had missed the extra wire on the tail until you pointed it out. By coincidence I was just starting the rigging on my Rhys Davids 56 Sqn. WNW SE.5a when you posted this, absolutely perfect timing! Thanks for sharing this info with us.
Cheers,
Lance
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Rick,
Add me to the list of those who had missed the extra wire on the tail until you pointed it out. By coincidence I was just starting the rigging on my Rhys Davids 56 Sqn. WNW SE.5a when you posted this, absolutely perfect timing! Thanks for sharing this info with us.
Cheers,
Lance
I am Happy the info was helpful Lance. Roden actually provides a small indicator for all three lines on the fin of their SE kit.
RAGIII
PS: I think I forgot to do the wire on My Rhys Davids build using the WNW kit :-\
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I did some more work today. I positioned the ailerons in a more realistic position, filled the circular opening on the fuselage underside and replaced with plastic card to represent the cover as seen on the original. I also cut out the spent shell opening. Finally I primed all of the fuselage and wing surfaces. The results showed I still have a bit more filling and sanding to do in a few places.
RAGIII
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Beautiful work so far, Rick, watching with great interest!
Cheers
Ondra
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This is good progress Rick!
Looking forward to how she will look with her colors and decals on.
Willem
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Beautiful work so far, Rick, watching with great interest!
Cheers
Ondra
Thanks Ondra. Great to hear from You!
RAGIII
This is good progress Rick!
Looking forward to how she will look with her colors and decals on.
Willem
Thanks Willem. I hope to start painting in a day or two.
RAGIII
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Your progress looks very good, Rick. Looking forward to seeing some paint.
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Your progress looks very good, Rick. Looking forward to seeing some paint.
Thanks Ken. Yesterday I moved forward by applying the initial CDL to the wing undersides and around the wing rib locations on the upperside. The next step will be masking over the ribs with Bobs Strippers then applying the PC10.
RAGIII
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Just more good progress !
Ed
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Just more good progress !
Ed
Thanks Amigo!
RAGIII
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Yesterday I masked the ribs with Bobs strippers. Today I have used Oil Dot Filter / weathering to give the undersurfaces a bit of an earth toned darkening. Not sure how this is going to turn out so stay tuned. The upper surfaces will be sprayed in two sessions. The first with the PC 10 with maskes in place, then again with the masks removed.
RAGIII
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Rick,
Dumb question, but what are "Bob's Strippers"? I dare not do a Google search at work. :o ;)
WD
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Rick,
Dumb question, but what are "Bob's Strippers"? I dare not do a Google search at work. :o ;)
WD
Funny ;D The same type of question was asked a long time ago when I started this thread. The Strippers are from Bob of Bobs Buckles:
(https://i.postimg.cc/4NP32y4W/IMG-20210719-170819761.jpg)
RAGIII
PS: The photo in the previous post that has the McCudden SE5a included will give everyone an idea of what the upper surface "Should" look like after the tapes are removed and the thin coat of PC 10 is sprayed over all.
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Rick,
Dumb question, but what are "Bob's Strippers"? I dare not do a Google search at work. :o ;)
WD
Funny ;D The same type of question was asked a long time ago when I started this thread. The Strippers are from Bob of Bobs Buckles:
Thanks Rick! I figured they were from Bob, but I went to his website and didn't see them. I must be blind.
WD
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Rick,
Dumb question, but what are "Bob's Strippers"? I dare not do a Google search at work. :o ;)
WD
Funny ;D The same type of question was asked a long time ago when I started this thread. The Strippers are from Bob of Bobs Buckles:
Thanks Rick! I figured they were from Bob, but I went to his website and didn't see them. I must be blind.
WD
Just shoot him a PM on this site and he can Hook You up with the strippers ::)
RAGIII
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Looking really good Rick , look forward to the next up-date :)
Alexis
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Looking really good Rick , look forward to the next up-date :)
Alexis
Thanks Alexis. I hope to do the PC 10 tomorrow. Just wondering if anyone has used the Drooling Bulldog PC 10. I have some but to Me it looks too dark and too green?
RAGIII
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Have not tried them before at all Rick , have you asked Bud ? I tink he use's that paint brand
Alexis
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Have not tried them before at all Rick , have you asked Bud ? I tink he use's that paint brand
Alexis
When I looked at Buds work bench a couple of weeks ago it was mostly Valejo and Tamiya...I think... too busy picking MY Jaw from the floor after viewing his Models 8) Ondra uses Drooling Bulldog so perhaps he will chime in!
RAGIII
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Just shoot him a PM on this site and he can Hook You up with the strippers ::)
RAGIII
And to think I led my wife to believe this was a wholesome community!! ;D
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Just shoot him a PM on this site and he can Hook You up with the strippers ::)
RAGIII
And to think I led my wife to believe this was a wholesome community!! ;D
;D
Here is the result after the Strippers were used and abused. I included the Hisso SE so one can see what the results should look like after the Next PC10 coat is applied.
RAGIII
PS: I used a mix of Tamiya XF62 and XF10 similar to the WNW SE5a instructions. I added a bit of CDL to slightly lighten the mix.
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This is looking very good Rick!
What is the width of the strippers?
Willem
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This is looking very good Rick!
What is the width of the strippers?
Willem
Thanks Willem. The Strippers I used were 1.5mm. I think Bob does them from 1mm up.
RAGIII
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The wing unders look just like I'd imagine an in-service machine to look - well done Rick!
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The wing unders look just like I'd imagine an in-service machine to look - well done Rick!
Thanks Zac! Hopefully the uppers will look that way when finished :o
RAGIII
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Today I sprayed the second PC10 coat which toned down the tapes to a reasonable hue. I also did the turn around on the under surface of the wings and horizontal tail. Next up is a gloss then decals.
RAGIII
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Rick once the other coat is added it is going really nice :)
Alexis
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Rick,
Did you mix roughly 50:50, or was it just "mix to taste"? Beautiful work, as always sir.
WD
PS: Is it even possible to acquire Drooling Bulldog paint any more? I know he shut the business down per se, but if memory serves, he said to write him is you wanted some mixed up. Apologies for the thread drift.
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Rick once the other coat is added it is going really nice :)
Alexis
Thanks Alexis!
RAGIII
Rick,
Did you mix roughly 50:50, or was it just "mix to taste"? Beautiful work, as always sir.
WD
PS: Is it even possible to acquire Drooling Bulldog paint any more? I know he shut the business down per se, but if memory serves, he said to write him is you wanted some mixed up. Apologies for the thread drift.
Warren, WNW called for two parts of XF62 to one part of XF10. I used a lot less of the latter, so the short answer is mixed to taste.
RAGIII
PS: I am not certain about the Drooling Bull Dog paints. In the end I liiked My mix better so I went with that right or wrong 8)
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I spent today decaling. I am almost to the point where both SE5a's are at the same point. I had to use a little bit of Tamiya Extra Thin on the W's to get them to conform to the lacing. Other than that the kit decals behaved well! The upper wing roundels are left over from the Encore kit.
RAGIII
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Your paint and decal work looks very good, Rick. You sure know how to work those strippers. ;D
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Very neat work, Rick.
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Looking very sharp now, Rick!
Regards
Dave
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Another nice one of your multi builds!
But Extra Thins as decal setter is a bit hardcore :o
Rick, there are children watching! Dear children, please do not copy! ;D
Cheers,
Frank
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Rick,
Thanks for the advice on the mix. I think you're recipe is dead on IMHO.
WD
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Your paint and decal work looks very good, Rick. You sure know how to work those strippers. ;D
Thanks Ken! I Hope My wife doesn't learn of My proficiency with strippers ;D
RAGIII
Very neat work, Rick.
Thanks Przemo! Greatly appreciated.
RAGIII
Looking very sharp now, Rick!
Regards
Dave
Thanks Dave, I appreciate your comments!
RAGIII
Another nice one of your multi builds!
But Extra Thins as decal setter is a bit hardcore :o
Rick, there are children watching! Dear children, please do not copy! ;D
Cheers,
Frank
Thanks Frank ! As for the Extra thin, I was Desperate. I only had Tamiya Decal setting solution which is really mild. So Children use Tamiya Extra Thin Cement at your Own Risk ::) If one is careful and uses it sparingly it works!
RAGIII
Rick,
Thanks for the advice on the mix. I think you're recipe is dead on IMHO.
WD
You are welcome Warren. I always " Feel" like I am close when it looks Green in some lighting, and Brownish in others 8)
RAGIII
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You're continuing to impress me Rick, these are coming along famously!
Your paint and decal work looks very good, Rick. You sure know how to work those strippers. ;D
Thanks Ken! I Hope My wife doesn't learn of My proficiency with strippers ;D
RAGIII
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I have progressed not only on the Roden Viper SE but also the re-build of the Encore bird. I painted the radiator/ Nose of the Grinnell- Milne SE red. I have attached and in the case of the other SE repaired the landing gear and wheels. I will now proceed to weather both!
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Looks sweet, Rick!
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Hi Rich,
Regards decal conforming.
If most standard decal solutions are not very effective, I have used 'Tamiya' X20A acrylic thinners.
If applied sparingly and left to work, it can soften and seal the decal into shape.
I've found it good on thick 'Tamiya' decals.
This is also handy for conforming decal over small, raised detail, such as wing strut attachments, wing foot boards and pre-moulded panels etc.
Mike
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Both are coming along wonderfully Rick ! :)
Alexis
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Excellent progress on both Rick!
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Catching up Rick: super progress on both models. I would never had thought of using Tamiya extra thin on transfers - even in a diluted form!
Stephen.
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Thanks for commenting Ken ;D
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Looks sweet, Rick!
Thanks!
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Hi Rich,
Regards decal conforming.
If most standard decal solutions are not very effective, I have used 'Tamiya' X20A acrylic thinners.
If applied sparingly and left to work, it can soften and seal the decal into shape.
I've found it good on thick 'Tamiya' decals.
This is also handy for conforming decal over small, raised detail, such as wing strut attachments, wing foot boards and pre-moulded panels etc.
Mike
Thanks for the Tip Mike! I do have some X20A so next time I will give that a Try before I use Xtra Thin ;D
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Both are coming along wonderfully Rick ! :)
Alexis
Thanks Alexis!
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Excellent progress on both Rick!
Thanks Zac!
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Catching up Rick: super progress on both models. I would never had thought of using Tamiya extra thin on transfers - even in a diluted form!
Stephen.
Thanks Stephen. I think I will give Mikes suggestion a Try Next time 8)
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So Frank sent Me a PM regarding My build of Schweinhund. I guess I should explain My reasoning on this one. In His Book G-M states that After the Armistice He was flying Schweinhund (III) He mentions that the "Nose" is painted red and does not say the fuselage. I think that there is a better than even chance that Near the end of the war He had the radiator / front painted red and only later was the rest done in this manner. I am also convinced by photos provided by Alex Revell that their is a "Blue" or Black W on the underside of the wing. In addition the serial number is visible on the rudder. ( repainted from the fuselage at Squadron level.)Many SE5as from 56 at this period painted the squadron marking over the fuselage serial and added it to the rudder also.
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Here are the photos provided by Alex in a personal E Mail to Me before they were ever published. This is as of January 1919. Note that "Schweinhund" was Not Present on the right fuselage. If one enlarges the second photo the serial # C 1149 is visible although washed out by strong light. I also think that a W can barely be made out on the lower wing of the first although it is really fuzzy!
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PS: These photos obviously show the aircraft after the total repaint.....perhaps :-\
PPS: I think we can all agree that the red overpaint did not give that "Pristine" appearance we normally see on Models 8)
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Coming along nicely! Very lovely rib effects.
Andreas
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Hi Rich,
Interesting second photograph.
Rather than daylight washing out the rudder serial number, I wonder if the rudder was over painted in white, as it seems on the wheel covers?.
Normally the rudder red and blue stripes would show as being very dark, almost black in colour, which wouldn't be affected by daylight or the film used.
Mike
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Mike, I think it looks so bright due to reflection, as the rudder is deflected towards the camera. On the first picture the red is much darker on the lower end.
Just my 2 cents.
Cheers,
Frank
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Hi Frank,
Yes a good point.
I didn't see that in the first shot,
Mike
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Coming along nicely! Very lovely rib effects.
Andreas
Thanks Andreas!
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Hi Rich,
Interesting second photograph.
Rather than daylight washing out the rudder serial number, I wonder if the rudder was over painted in white, as it seems on the wheel covers?.
Normally the rudder red and blue stripes would show as being very dark, almost black in colour, which wouldn't be affected by daylight or the film used.
Mike
One thing I didn't mention is the Radiator shutters. Painted white or a Very light reflective Metal? They look white to Me.
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Mike, I think it looks so bright due to reflection, as the rudder is deflected towards the camera. On the first picture the red is much darker on the lower end.
Just my 2 cents.
Cheers,
Frank
I agree Frank!
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As My photography is Not Good enough to catch the variations in the paint you all will have to trust Me 8) I used oils to put some variation in the basic PC10 finish. It is visible to My eyes but not as much in the photos. I also made an attempt to cut My own mask for the W on the underside. I sprayed the W blue and it was HORRIBLE!!! So I stripped it off and repainted the left wing underside. I will need to get in touch with someone who is better at making masks before I attempt to paint the W again. One positive is that I can pretty much add it anytime. I also added a bit of muck from the wheels to the lower wing underside.
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Looking good Rick , slowly getting there . Like the weathering on the under wing surface 8)
Alexis
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Looking good Rick , slowly getting there . Like the weathering on the under wing surface 8)
Alexis
Thanks Alexis. Both have had a satin finish applied but nothing worth posting yet. I am in the process of Mounting the upper wing on McCuddens Bird....or so I hope ::)
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My apologies for not answering the recent post Rick - life has been greatly disorganised in the past few weeks and I have lost track of many things including this build....!
I do like the paintwork on this one and the very effective dirt on the undersides. I am keeping my fingers crossed for you that t
his one will not be dropped/knocked off the table/pushed off the table by the cat/any other reason for irreparable damage - delete as appropriate.
Stephen.
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My apologies for not answering the recent post Rick - life has been greatly disorganised in the past few weeks and I have lost track of many things including this build....!
I do like the paintwork on this one and the very effective dirt on the undersides. I am keeping my fingers crossed for you that t
his one will not be dropped/knocked off the table/pushed off the table by the cat/any other reason for irreparable damage - delete as appropriate.
Stephen.
Thanks Stephen! As for My usual mishaps I must say at least One of the two looks to be on the way to success! I spent a Lot of Time playing with the jig and which struts were to be mounted first. In the end I found mounting the interplanes then connecting the cabanes worked best. ( at least for Me). I have been successful in doing the process on the Viper powered SE. As for the Pheonix Thrice risen we shall see. ( Lost a couple of struts that I will do a search for tomorrow! I also should note that these photos show a very Green look vs the Brownish look in prior photos. The actual color is somewhere in between 8)
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PS: Lots of touch up needed!
PPS: I wasn't real happy with the other photos so took a few more: Note that a couple of the cabane struts are looking nasty. They kept slipping out of place and at some point I used a bit too much Tamiya Extra thin and finger pressure resulting in stripped paint.
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Ah lovely, Rick -
Really pleased to see this one is really coming together now
Regards
Dave
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Ah lovely, Rick -
Really pleased to see this one is really coming together now
Regards
Dave
Thanks Dave. This one is progressing although I probably shouldn't get cocky about finishing it until it is in the case ::) The McCudden bird does seem to be cursed. I still haven't found the two cabane struts I dropped!
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The G-M bird is finished....more or less:
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More photos in the Completed Models Section:
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=13090.0
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Put a fork in it! ;D Not literally.
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What a beauty! Bravo!
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Absolutely brilliant Rick. At last you have got one to the finish line. Let us hope you can now get it to the cabinet intact!
Stephen.
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Put a fork in it! ;D Not literally.
What a beauty! Bravo!
Absolutely brilliant Rick. At last you have got one to the finish line. Let us hope you can now get it to the cabinet intact!
Stephen.
Thanks Guys. It has lots of warts but it is finished and in the case. I have finally broken the Curse that seems to have plagued me with the Roden SE5a. Now if I ever find the strut I lost from the McCudden Bird I know how to attack the upper wing.
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Hello, Rick -
Brilliant SE5a!
I'm so pleased this one has come together for you!
Regards
Dave
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Glad the curse is broken!!
Looks great Rick.
WD
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Stellar work!!
Steve
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Well, Here we are a LOng Time After the Disaster to the McCudden SE5a. Three things happened to make this one Rise yet again!
1. I learned that the SE5a was Dave Wilsons Favorite WW1 aircraft
2. I am following the under construction builds even though I am not always commenting. The SE5 conversion being built by Sandy gave Me an Idea on Mounting the upper wing.
3. I was able to procure a Donor kit to replace the ruined struts from the previous attempt.
I used the New struts and attached the Interplane struts to the lower wing. Once dried I glued the upper wing to the interplane struts. When dried I went back and fitted the cabanes. All went really well and I am 99% sure I will now finish the McCudden bird!
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Perseverance and success probably have something to do with each other. Well done, and it's a nice looking model!
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Good to see this one progressing again - you can't not go 100% for an SE!
I think it's my SE5 conversion you mean, and yes, it gave me a surprise when I got to the wing mounting stage to find how useless the cabane struts are in this otherwise lovely kit. (Apart also from engine fit in engine bay!)
I always do cabanes then outers, even in vacforms or scratchbuilds,so this was a first for me too.
Anyway it worked fine and I can see yours will too.
Great to see you enjoying 1/32 WWI again😊
Sandy
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Perseverance and success probably have something to do with each other. Well done, and it's a nice looking model!
/Fredrik
Thanks Fredrik!
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Good to see this one progressing again - you can't not go 100% for an SE!
I think it's my SE5 conversion you mean, and yes, it gave me a surprise when I got to the wing mounting stage to find how useless the cabane struts are in this otherwise lovely kit. (Apart also from engine fit in engine bay!)
I always do cabanes then outers, even in vacforms or scratchbuilds,so this was a first for me too.
Anyway it worked fine and I can see yours will too.
Great to see you enjoying 1/32 WWI again😊
Sandy
Thanks Sandy! My Mistake has been Edited out 8) Your Idea worked well. I should also mention that I re-Drilled the locating holes making them just a tad deeper!
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A nice restart - and almost finished!
Steve
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A nice restart - and almost finished!
Steve
Thanks Steve! That being said I have learned Not to Get Too Cocky at this Stage 8)
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Great to see this one resurrected - a true Phoenix!
Cheers,
BC
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Glad to see you have been able to recover her! Great progress so far!
Cheers
Ondra
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Oh well done Rick - glad to it back!
Regards
Dave
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Truly great news that youare back to this project, Rick.