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Title: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: FAf on June 14, 2021, 04:53:40 AM
It's been a while and my last two build threads are still not finished - a Fokker E.II and D.VIII both waiting for propellers. Anyway, I thought I'd lure myself back to the modelling desk by starting this new thread. This time you only get the box and its contents, but hopefully more progress and pictures will follow soon. The model looks great and the summer holidays are just around the corner...
/F

(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image068.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image069.jpg)
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Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: RAGIII on June 14, 2021, 05:14:07 AM
Welcome back to a Build Log  ;D I am looking forward to seeing your work on this Lovely Kit!
RAGIII
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: andonio64 on June 14, 2021, 05:51:29 AM
I'll follow you, I have the mid version and I'm very curious about this kit!

Antonio
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: RichieW on June 14, 2021, 06:26:44 AM
I'm a big fan of your work, I'm looking forward to this one!

Richie
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Alexis on June 14, 2021, 11:58:08 AM
Looking forward to this  :)


Alexis
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Gisbod on June 14, 2021, 04:35:20 PM
Oooh Can’t wait Fredrik!

Love your work  :)

Guy
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Bughunter on June 15, 2021, 05:14:51 AM
Oooh Can’t wait Fredrik!
Oh yes, me too!
I will watch closely, even I have like Antonio the mid version in my stash.

It is a nice gesture by CSM to add spare PE parts for the cowling (on the mid and late there seems to be 3 cowlings, one nickel silber ? and two brass). On the hand this shows, that the usage of those PE parts seems to be not an easy job.
 
Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: FAf on June 16, 2021, 07:29:44 PM
Thank you for your support and interest, all of you!

I do realise that pictures of the box(es) and the contents hardly can be seen as enough if one is doing a build log, so here are some progress pics.

It's a beatuiful model. Very crisp details and the fit is precise, to say the least. Extra coats of glue or colour can easily create issues when fitting individual pieces together. I'm sure I'll have reason to come back to this later on.

I started the build with the separation of the ailerons from the main wings. You can see that I did slip a little in the process and caused some damage to the wing, but I think it's all gone now.
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image075.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image076.jpg)

The only flaw so far concerns part C6. It's supposed to have a photoetched part attached to it and this will later take the control wires for the elevators. However, the rod part was missing from both of my C6 parts and they are so tiny/flimsy that it's difficult to add it. Instead I decided to skip the plastic part altogether and add the rod using brass tubing. Turned out pretty well actually.
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image077.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image078.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image079.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image080.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image081.jpg)

And finally (for now) everything is readied for primer.
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image082.jpg)

Not a lot to show, but it does constitute as progress I think and even small steps are steps.
/F
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: kensar on June 16, 2021, 09:20:31 PM
Good job on that repair.
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Alexis on June 16, 2021, 11:47:00 PM
Have done that more times then I can count having to make that repair after cutting out the flight controls and I very confident ..in that I will make this error again .

Repair looks great as well the rebuild of C6 .


Alexis 
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: RAGIII on June 17, 2021, 10:05:40 PM
The control horns and rods came out great! I almost always slip when separating the control surfaces  :o You seem to have dealt with the repair just fine.  Nice to see you moving forward on this one!
RAGIII
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: FAf on June 18, 2021, 05:59:54 AM
Thanks Kensar, Alexis and Rick! I had a second look at that scratched wing just to confirm that everything was ok with the primer on - and it was...
So moving on: there is some wood on the insides and I started out by painting basic colours - Tamiya desert yellow for the darker wood tones and Gunze light brown for some of the lighter tones and then oils of different kinds. Detail painting is not done yet. Note the photoetched rack for the Lewis ammunition drums in the third picture. Looks perhaps a bit tricky, but it really wasn't.

(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image085.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image086.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image087.jpg)

It would probably have been a lot easier to paint the linen colour first and then mask that in order to paint the wood, but I did it the other way around which caused a few touch ups to be necessary. I did take care of a couple of the ejector pin marks, but thought the remaining ones wouldn't be seen once the fuselage was assembled, so I left those.
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image083.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image084.jpg)

Wires added using brass tubing and monofilament. Possibly there should have been a couple of more wires towards the back. After that it was time to start adding bits and pieces to the fuselage halves. The wires do interfere a little with the plastic parts, but it's not a massive problem despite the small tolerances in the kit.
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image088.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image089.jpg)

Cheers
Fredrik
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Bughunter on June 18, 2021, 06:11:33 AM
A lot of work for nice cockpit parts! I hope that some of those are visible later.
The rack for the drums is impressive!

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: RAGIII on June 18, 2021, 06:33:41 AM
A lot of work for nice cockpit parts! I hope that some of those are visible later.
The rack for the drums is impressive!

Cheers,
Frank

Beautiful cockpit work. The wood grains are extremely well done! It is funny that in a post showing lots of great work one small thing stands out. The spare ammo drum box also caught My Eye immediately!
RAGIII
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Alexis on June 18, 2021, 07:30:21 AM
Nice work on the interior bits  :)


Alexis
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Gisbod on June 18, 2021, 05:01:10 PM
Looking good Fredrik!

Looks a nice kit  :D

Guy
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: FAf on June 23, 2021, 04:50:27 AM
Thank you Frank, Rick, Alexis and Guy!
Yes, the spare ammo drum rack is beautiful. Well done there CSM! You will see it installed and loaded with ammo drums a bit further down.

A lot of work for nice cockpit parts! I hope that some of those are visible later.

So do I Frank. I always find it a bit tricky to know how much work one should do and so tend to over work details that end up hidden. This time though I ignored some bits, thinking that they wouldn't be visible later, but had to go back and fix them as dry fitting seemed to reveal that they would indeed be visible... but then again they mightn't be once the top wing and all other bits are in place. Anyhow, this is the rather large fuel tank that sits between pilot and observer. Quite ugly seams I didn't think I hade to care about.
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image090.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image091.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image092.jpg)

Dry fitting showed that the flat end facing the observer's seat would be visible and that it had to be sorted. Easiest option was to cut a thin disc from plasticard and glue it on top of the seam.
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image093.jpg)

There are control wires running from the rudder pedals and towards the back. It's a little unclear how these actually should be placed, but in the end I just let them pass through the observer's pit and used a couple of short lengths of brass tubing to guide them once out of sight. The tubes also make tightening a lot easier.
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image094.jpg)

You might remember that I missed a few internal bracing wires behind the observer. Once the spare ammo rack was in position I could simply place another piece of brass tubing to make it look like there is a wire there too. Lucky!
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image095.jpg)

Other bits have been painted and installed in the fuselage halves. I do think CSM could have supplied better painting instructions, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with the fit of the parts!
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image096.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image097.jpg)
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(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image099.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image100.jpg)

And finally the IP with paint and decals. I did manage to destroy the compass(?) decal in the centre.
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image101.jpg)

Cheers
Fredrik
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Monty on June 23, 2021, 05:04:42 AM
Stunning work, Fredrik! I'm enjoying the progress immensely! Some lovely moulding by CSM.... Regards, Marc
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Alexis on June 23, 2021, 10:45:41 PM
Fantastic work done in the cockpit so far , really love the different wood tones  :) Yes that is the compass and I wouldn't worry about it . With the scale this wouldn't be very visible . It's perfect just the way it is  :)


Alexis   
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: RAGIII on June 24, 2021, 03:58:11 AM
The cockpit details look even Better in place! Simply lovely work!
RAGIII
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: RichieW on June 24, 2021, 05:04:11 AM
Stunning interior Fredrik, some seriously skillful work going into this!

Richie
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Fvdm on June 28, 2021, 04:35:43 AM
That's great work Fredrik. You did a mighty fine job so far.
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Early Bird Fan on July 01, 2021, 07:58:14 AM
loving your work on this build, the interior is looking awesome
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: FAf on July 09, 2021, 05:26:37 AM
Hello again and thank you Marc, Alexis, Rick, Richie, Fvdm and Early Bird Fan for your interest in and comments on this build.

Alexis - I took your advice and just moved on with the build, ignoring the marred decal.

I couldn't really decide on how to move forward and the main issue was the engine. Not as supplied by CSM, because they did a good job on it, but because I started toying with the idea of leaving one or two engine panels off. This meant that more details had to be added. First up was a panel at the very bottom of the engine room. First picture without and second picture with the panel. Panel made from a tea light.
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image102.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image103.jpg)

Work done on the engine. Created openings in the solid rockers. I initially thought about removing them completely and building new ones, but I think they turned out well this way.
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image104.jpg)

Engine work... Black base, MRP Copper, Vallejo aluminium, Gunze brass, brass vents(?) made from brass tubing, pushrods from wire,
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image105.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image106.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image107.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image108.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image109.jpg)

Next update soon... more engine work.
/Fredrik
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: RichieW on July 09, 2021, 05:35:40 AM
Love it Fredrik, that update has brought a big smile to my face. What an amazing engine, those rockers look fantastic, it must have been a delicate operation to modify them. I love the idea of using a tea light as a source of material. I shall add a few to stash of bits and bobs. Fantastic!

Richie
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: RAGIII on July 09, 2021, 05:53:31 AM
The engine is gorgeous, especially the rockers! I also love the tea light used for the lower panel!
RAGIII
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Early Bird Fan on July 09, 2021, 06:37:41 AM
ingenious use of a tea light, definately not something i would have thought of but have made a note of it  :D

that engine is looking superb  8)
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: bobs_buckles on July 09, 2021, 08:51:08 PM
Looking superb, Fredrik  :o
Very nice.

Bob
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: DaveB on July 09, 2021, 10:14:10 PM
First class work, Fredrik -

I really love your instrument panel!

Regards

Dave
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Fvdm on July 11, 2021, 12:06:28 AM
That's a great engine!
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Gisbod on July 14, 2021, 05:36:02 PM
Beautiful work as always Fredrik!

The Engine is stunning.

Guy
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: FAf on July 29, 2021, 07:14:48 AM
Richie - I hope you've kept on smiling. Your response to my post certainly put a smile on my face!

And thanks everyone else - Rick, EBF, Bob, Dave and Guy - for your comments. Take the tea light idea and improve on it. I once made a replacement gun cover for a Fw 190 out of the same material (couldn't find a picture of it though) so it's quite a versatile material, sift but not too soft.

Some more engine pictures. The other side and installed in the fuselage. A bit of artistic license used when it comes to the piping and the oil tank.

Leads for the spark plugs made from thin copper wire. Spark plugs made from 0.4 mm brass tubing.
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image112.jpg)

Brass tubing used to replicate the ignition wire tubes. I actually files holes on the back where the spark plug leads could go in. Just in case someone decides to see where those wires actually go. 😁
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image113.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image114.jpg)

Something to do with carburetors and fuel lines...
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image115.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image116.jpg)

And installed in the fuselage.
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image117.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image118.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image119.jpg)

Cheers
Fredrik
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: macsporran on July 29, 2021, 07:58:41 AM
Exquisite engine and internals.
Sandy
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Rookie on July 29, 2021, 07:48:43 PM
How could I have missed this?!

Great build, and your engine is Champions League  class Fredrik!

Willem
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: RAGIII on July 29, 2021, 08:37:20 PM
Your engine is Brilliant Fredrik! This is really going to be a Stunning Model in all aspects.
RAGIII
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Alexis on July 29, 2021, 09:22:27 PM
Excellent job on the engine details Fredrik , I take it you will be leaving the panels off to show off that engine ?


Alexis
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Bughunter on July 30, 2021, 06:19:35 AM
Wow, so many details on such a small engine!

Something to do with carburetors and fuel lines...
This appears to be a heater (with cooling water) to prevent carburettor icing.

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: RichieW on July 30, 2021, 07:47:14 AM
 :) :) :) Still smiling Fredrik, this is a crazy level of awesome. I have to keep double checking the thread title and every time I do it really does say 1/48 scale! I'm going back to check again! ;)

Richie
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Edo on July 30, 2021, 03:45:41 PM
that engine is really stunning!
by the way, don’t want to divert the thread but... how do you paint the sparks wire?
when I paint mine, whatever colour I usa, it will always come off....

ciao
edo
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Alexis on July 30, 2021, 11:13:56 PM
that engine is really stunning!
by the way, don’t want to divert the thread but... how do you paint the sparks wire?
when I paint mine, whatever colour I usa, it will always come off....

ciao
edo

Edo , if you use acrylic paint mix in a little future floor wax , paint won't come off  ;)


Alexis
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Edo on July 31, 2021, 04:47:58 PM
 great tip Alexis!
thank you!
ciao
edo
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: FAf on July 31, 2021, 08:48:20 PM
Thanks all for your comments!
Great to have you onboard for the build.

Frank - thanks for correcting me on the carburettor thingies. I know what an engine looks like, but that's about it... 😎

Alexis - yes, the cowling panels will mostly stay off. I haven't really decided whether both sides should be open or only one.

Richie - 😃

Edo - to be honest I usually have the same issue so thanks Alexis for the tip. These particular wires were painted in situ so therefore less handling and less paint issues.

/Fredrik
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Early Bird Fan on July 31, 2021, 11:38:03 PM
that my friend is one good looking engine, i'm loving all the details  8)
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Gisbod on August 01, 2021, 04:02:16 PM
Super detailing Fredrik!

Especially in 1/48..

Guy
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: FAf on August 01, 2021, 10:57:39 PM
Thanks EBF and Guy!
A short break now but I've added green paint and started drilling holes for the engine frame wires. I also need to decide on whether to try Rick's wrinkles or not.

Cheers Fredrik
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: RAGIII on August 02, 2021, 01:44:17 AM
Thanks EBF and Guy!
A short break now but I've added green paint and started drilling holes for the engine frame wires. I also need to decide on whether to try Rick's wrinkles or not.

Cheers Fredrik
'
One thing I forgot to mention. If you use the Acrylic Craft paint there is one advantage. If you don't like how it is going it is easy to clean off with water and start over. ( Prior to totally drying and sealing).  8)
RAGIII
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: FAf on August 04, 2021, 05:25:27 AM
Thanks Rick! Still undecided on whether to try this on this build or the next...

Help needed!

I'm not ready to start rigging yet, but when planning ahead I can't understand one thing about the control wires.

If you look at the rigging diagram given by CSM there is a wire that runs along the underside of the top wing, from the cockpit area to the outer struts and I think it then goes up through the top wing and connects to the ailerons. You can also see it in the period photo from Wikipedia commons
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/Image119%20-%20OnePlus.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/R.A.F._Roayl_Air_Force_observer_with_his_wireless_transmitter_to_keep_in_touch%2C_Bestanddeelnr_158-2775.jpg/1022px-R.A.F._Roayl_Air_Force_observer_with_his_wireless_transmitter_to_keep_in_touch%2C_Bestanddeelnr_158-2775.jpg)

What I can't see/understand is if this wire somehow connects directly to the pilots controls. There doesn't seem to be any wires going down in front of the pilot.

Could it be that the ailerons are controlled by the wires connected to the control stick and coming out of the fuselage like on the Brisfit. They go through the bottom wing and connect to the control bottom ailerons. The bottom and top ailerons are then interconnected, so the  force from the control stick goes on to the top wing where the wire then goes through the topwing to become this mystery wire AND that wire is only a way to reinforce the pilots movements of the stick. So it simply runs from one set of ailerons to the other?!

Cheers Fredrik
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Big Sky Modeler on August 06, 2021, 12:08:40 AM
I'm currently building this model as well, and have enjoyed your progress.  Your engine details are amazing.  I've studied the wiring diagram in the instruction book, datafile, and period photos.  I don't think the wire runs inside the lower wing at all.  It looks like the aileron wire runs from the control stick through the fuselage sides to a spot near the front outer strut on the bottom wings.  It goes down through the wing at this point and exits on the bottom of the wing and connects to the control horn.  Wires connect the ailerons of the top and bottom wings.  The wire on the top wing runs from one control horn to a location by the front outer strut, where it enters the wing, then exits on the bottom side and runs along the backside of all the forward struts to the same location on the opposite side of the wing, through the wing to the top side and back to the opposite control horn.  Basically the wire completes a loop from the stick to one lower wing, to the upper and across, and back to the other lower wing and back to the stick.  It's an interesting arrangement to me and it must have required several pulleys in each wing so the wire could enter and exit in a different direction.  I wonder how smooth the controls were?

On the model, there are holes located on the fuselage for the aileron wires to exit and there are holes located on the wings near the front outer struts as well.  Hope this is helpful.
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: FAf on August 06, 2021, 01:12:26 AM
Big Sky Modeller! Thank you so much!
That is my interpretation as well, but your explanation is much better than mine... I'll go with the loop idea!

Good luck with your build!
/Fredrik
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: FAf on August 19, 2021, 03:36:03 AM
Ok, so again the intended short break turned into a slightly longer break... but on the other hand there has been quite a lot of progress the past couple of days.

Top and bottom colours sprayed as well as shading. With a slight mishap... I didn't really keep track of what was top side and bottom side for the ailerons, so they had to be resprayed.
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image120.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image121.jpg)

Someone here at the forum mentioned the idea of paper masks when spraying the PC10 border on the bottom side wings. Good idea, but stupidly enough I didn't realise that when you shrink a 1:1 picture of the wing, it will obviously become shorter as well.  ::) Not too tricky to fix though and the masks worked well enough. Next time I might use the idea for the wing tips but mask the rest using tape.
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image122.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image123.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image124.jpg)

Time for markings and here you see the painting of them in progress. In the first picture the white has been painted and red is up next. In the second picture the last step has been painted - the thin white outline. You can't really paint all of the white at once, since the mask for the thin outline is very difficult to place back onto the model in a good way. That means that this has to be the last step.
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image125.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image126.jpg)

Despite my best efforts, there was a bit of spray dust creeping under the masking. Using masks when the surface is very three dimensional is tricky that way. It's been sorted now.
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image127.jpg)

And finally there have been some more additions around the engine, the etched parts for the rigging attachements have been added to the wings, some additional rigging attachements not supplied with the kit had to be added at the centre of the top wing and the scarff ring and Lewis gun is ready to be installed.
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image128.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image129.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image130.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image131.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image132.jpg)

Thanks for watching!
/Fredrik
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: FAf on August 19, 2021, 04:10:49 AM
By the way... if I want to paint my Cooper bombs and install them, what colour should I use?!
/F
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Gisbod on August 19, 2021, 06:16:44 AM
Good grief Fredrik!

Stunning! That’s the nicest 1/48 build I’ve seen I reckon. Flawless. I’m going to send round the doping agency - you must be taking illegal substances…  ;D

Guy
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Rookie on August 19, 2021, 06:37:02 AM
Hi Fredrik, do you man these?

Willem
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Alexis on August 19, 2021, 03:35:23 PM
Beautiful work !


Alexis
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Early Bird Fan on August 19, 2021, 04:08:22 PM
i'm glad it's not just me who cocks up the painting, on my Camel a while back i painted the under sides of the horizontal stabilizers are rather fetching shade of green  ::) :)

this build is looking beautiful and i'm looking forward to seeing it come together
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: FAf on August 19, 2021, 09:23:49 PM
Thanks Guy, but I think you might have missed a few other builds... However, I am very pleased so far.

Willem - yes, and I can see that they are dark yellow of sorts, but any suggestions for a colour make and number?

Alexis - thanks!

EBF - Well, there are always some mistakes along the way and I'm sure we all make them. They add charachter to the build I tell my self!  ;)

/F
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Rookie on August 19, 2021, 10:39:21 PM
I have a look in my "archive" 

;)
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: kensar on August 19, 2021, 10:55:50 PM
Great detail work, Fredric.  Are the PE parts from the kit? or are you adding from another source?
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: RichieW on August 19, 2021, 11:15:24 PM
Great progress Fredrik, the PC10 border on the lower wing surfaces looks perfect. I only had to do that once before and found it really tricky. I did exactly the same as you with the ailerons before. Easily fixed but so annoying.Your engine is astonishing!

Richie
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Rookie on August 19, 2021, 11:33:13 PM
Hi Fredrik,

Used WNW DH.9a Ninak post war: mustard yellow matt (Tamiya XF60)

According to https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/C222341 : "...The bomb is painted brown and has a green and red band painted around the bomb casing...."

And here is some more information:

http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Various/Bombs-brit/

Hope this helps

Willem
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: FAf on August 20, 2021, 06:04:32 AM
Thank you so much Willem! Tamiya XF60 it is.

Great progress Fredrik, the PC10 border on the lower wing surfaces looks perfect. I only had to do that once before and found it really tricky. I did exactly the same as you with the ailerons before. Easily fixed but so annoying.Your engine is astonishing!

Richie

Thanks Richie! If you can reduce an image of the wings by a few percent, then at least you have a good mask for the wingtips and the rest is fairly easy masking on most planes.

Great detail work, Fredric.  Are the PE parts from the kit? or are you adding from another source?

Ken, the PE comes with the kit. I think I included a pic in my first post. The only additions so far are turnbuckles and the Lewis gun from Gaspatch, copper wires, brass tubing and monofilament for the rigging.

Cheers
/Fredrik
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Bughunter on August 21, 2021, 08:14:39 AM
What a great kit, what a beautiful paint job, what a skilled builder - what a lovely model!

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: RAGIII on August 23, 2021, 12:52:18 AM
Your paintwork is excellent and the detail work is superb!
RAGIII
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: FAf on August 24, 2021, 05:04:47 AM
Thanks for your comments Rick and Frank! They are very apprieciated.

Not much more done since the last post, but I did spray some of Mr Paint's semi-matte varnish on the fabric areas and I noticed afterwards that my white markings had changed in appearance... see the two pics below. Could it be that Mr. Paint actually dissolves the paint a little and my thinly sprayed white markings get mixed a bit with the underlying green?! Nevermind the strange scratchmarks on the triangle in the first pic. Those are remnants of a fingerprint.
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image133.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image134.jpg)

I also had to attach the lower wings. Just to get a feel for what it'll look like later on.
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image135.jpg)

/F
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: RAGIII on August 24, 2021, 05:10:33 AM
Awesome paint work. The shading on the triangle markings is especially well Done!
RAGIII
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: RichieW on August 24, 2021, 07:10:44 PM
Hi Fredrik, I have noticed with Mr Paint that touch ups are dangerous as the new paint dissolves the base coat. Maybe the same happened with the varnish. In this case perhaps it is a happy accident because if it caused the darkening of the white triangles it looks really great! I suspect field applied markings like these might well have worn like this and white would never stay white for very long anyway! Still looking awesome!!! :)

Richie
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: FAf on August 25, 2021, 04:57:34 AM
Awesome paint work. The shading on the triangle markings is especially well Done!
RAGIII

Hi Rick! Glad you like the shading, but it's pure luck!  8)

Hi Fredrik, I have noticed with Mr Paint that touch ups are dangerous as the new paint dissolves the base coat. Maybe the same happened with the varnish. In this case perhaps it is a happy accident because if it caused the darkening of the white triangles it looks really great! I suspect field applied markings like these might well have worn like this and white would never stay white for very long anyway! Still looking awesome!!! :)

Richie

Thanks Richie! So my suspicion was right then. But like you suggests, maybe it was a happy accident.

I do have the same issue on the tail fin... where one set of numbers is white and the other has taken on a much darker hue. I think I'll leave it like that, rather than respraying the entire fin, but I haven't decided yet.

(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image136.jpg)
/Fredrik
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: kensar on August 25, 2021, 10:01:37 PM
I think the variation in the paint adds character - less weathering to do later!
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Rookie on August 25, 2021, 11:05:50 PM
I agree with the others Fredrik, it makes it all the more alive. I would also qualify it as a "happy mistake".

Willem
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Borsos on August 26, 2021, 04:33:28 AM
That’s a really great looking model. Straight on the way to become a masterpiece!
Andreas
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: FAf on August 26, 2021, 08:01:43 PM
Thanks Ken, Willem and Andreas!
I just consider myself lucky and move on with a very nice model. Let's see if I can get the struts into place today.
/Fredrik
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Early Bird Fan on August 29, 2021, 08:15:04 AM
lovely looking paint job, as above i'd be inclined to leave the happy accidents as they are as it ads a bit of character and realism
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Alexis on August 30, 2021, 05:52:37 AM
It has been awhile since I last had a peek at your build , Outstanding so Fredrik ! love you paint work  :)


Alexis
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: FAf on August 30, 2021, 07:03:47 PM
Thanks EBF and Alexis!
I have left the accidental paint results in place and have started the rigging in earnest - pictures will be coming shortly. Yesterday I created short lengths of tubing for the attachement points - counted to about 60 needed for the upper wing attachments only. Fun work!  ::)
/Fredrik

Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: FAf on August 31, 2021, 06:56:25 AM
There are alot of wires on this one. More than on any other model I've built so far. I thought that the next step would be to attach the struts and the top wing, but I probably need to attach the radiator bits first as well as the elevator controls and a few other bits and pieces. Moving in the right direction though.
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image137.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image138.jpg)

/Fredrik
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: RAGIII on September 04, 2021, 10:17:55 PM
Excellent progress. Your rigging prep should make the process go smoothly!
RAGIII
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Gisbod on September 05, 2021, 05:00:09 AM
Great progress Fredrik!

I, too, like the effect. If you tried to do that I bet you couldn’t!

Guy
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Bughunter on September 06, 2021, 12:33:24 AM
What a huge spider :D
Good luck and have fun with the rigging!

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: FAf on September 13, 2021, 05:27:09 AM
Hi again... life again... good to have one though.

Excellent progress. Your rigging prep should make the process go smoothly!
RAGIII

Thanks Rick! One would have thought that the rigging would be smooth sailing, but not really. My fault probably, but it has been sorted now. I'll explain more below.

Great progress Fredrik!

I, too, like the effect. If you tried to do that I bet you couldn’t!

Guy

Ohh, a dare! I have actually been thinking about how to make conscious use of this effect... We'll see on the next model if I dare try that. Good progress on the Bismarck! I am following, just so you know... but from a back seat.

What a huge spider :D
Good luck and have fun with the rigging!

Cheers,
Frank

Thanks Frank! I brought the model up to show the rest of the family and was greeted with "What a hairy aircraft!?", so spider or hairy monster?!


Since the last update I have been tinkering with rigging and other small details. It might actually be finished before next weekend, unless life gets in the way again...

I realised that I needed a way to tighten the rudder control wires and that I should have thought about that before I closed the fuselage. I solved it by drilling a hole from the underside and then I used a bit of brass tube to guide the wire from the top. It worked but one can see that the wires aren't really running forward... if one looks closely.
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image140.jpg)

The struts went in like they should and the top wing came on with a bit of work. Quite tricky to align all eight interplane struts and the cabane ones and as it turned out, the top wing went on a bit off the mark. Probably my fault though. The main problem was that I didn't catch this until I had completed the rigging!
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image141.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image142.jpg)

In the end I was able to solve the top wing problem by replacing one of the rigging wires , the one from the left top wing to the front of the engine and tightening this a lot (red line marked 1 in the picture below)! You can see, in the image below, the wires coming out from the left side  of the engine (marked 2 in the picture). I simply did away with the anchor point and drilled a new hole that allowed me to pull the monofilament through to the other side and pull . 
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image144%20(2).jpg)

The Cooper bombs have been painted and instead of painting the red and green stripes I painted thin masking tape and then applied that onto the bombs. They are now awaiting a clear coat and then some metallic colours on their noses.
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image145.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image146.jpg)

Radiators are on, top wing tank (gravity tank?), and some other bits and pieces.
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image147.jpg)

At least in one period picture there is a Rotherham pump. So I thought I'd add one according to that picture. I recently bought small resin versions from Eduard, they're designed for the Camel but with a few additions it worked here as well.
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image148.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image149.jpg)

And here it is attached to the fuselage. Without the propeller so far since that has been painted and is now drying in a box.
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image150.jpg)

Cheers
/Fredrik
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Bughunter on September 13, 2021, 06:09:42 AM
What a nice, but big bird! I like the state, where are the prepared parts are coming together!
I need to double check if it fits into my cabinet ::)

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Early Bird Fan on September 13, 2021, 07:13:42 AM
amazing details  8)
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: RichieW on September 13, 2021, 08:17:46 AM
Brilliant microscopic details. When I zoomed in on the last photo I really thought I was looking at a real aircraft. 👏👏👏
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: kensar on September 13, 2021, 09:44:08 PM
Well done on the details.  Lots of rigging on this one!
Looking forward to seeing it done soon.
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Rookie on September 14, 2021, 06:58:08 AM
Brilliant microscopic details. When I zoomed in on the last photo I really thought I was looking at a real aircraft. 👏👏👏

I couldn't agree more!

Willem
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Alexis on September 15, 2021, 04:03:37 AM
Your builds always impress me , fantastic results so far Fredrik


Alexis
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: RAGIII on September 15, 2021, 10:37:02 PM
Stunning detail work! Really looks awesome!!
RAGIII
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Gisbod on September 17, 2021, 03:34:19 PM
Incredible Fredrik!

It looks at least 1/32 with that level of detail.

Guy

Ps I’d lock your doors at night - sounds like Frank is going to try a heist!
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: jeroen_R90S on September 18, 2021, 12:49:16 AM
Just caught up with this build from the start -looking great!
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: FAf on September 29, 2021, 05:10:42 PM
Thank you all for your continued interest and your supportive posts!

I have now disentagled myself from the rigging and finished the build - at last. Although, for me, it was a fairly quick build.

(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/FK8%20Early%2C%201%3A48/image151.jpg)

Take care!
/Fredrik
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Rookie on September 29, 2021, 05:38:14 PM
Hi Fredrik,

What a beautiful end result. You can certainly be proud of this model! You have shown that the PC10 / Olive drab on British aircraft doesn't have to be dull. Far from it!

Great detailing and rigging.

Willem
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: RichieW on September 30, 2021, 03:35:48 AM
Congratulations on a fantastic build Fredrik, it's been a pleasure to follow the build. I'm wondering what your next project might be, do you have something in mind?

Richie
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: RAGIII on September 30, 2021, 06:21:54 AM
This is an absolutely Stunning Build in all respects! One to ne Really Proud of for sure!
RAGIII
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: FAf on September 30, 2021, 03:31:36 PM
Hi Fredrik,

What a beautiful end result. You can certainly be proud of this model! You have shown that the PC10 / Olive drab on British aircraft doesn't have to be dull. Far from it!

Great detailing and rigging.

Willem

Thank you Willem! I quite like the PC10 actually. Perhaps I could have upped the variations in colour though, but there is more variation than shows in the pictures.

Congratulations on a fantastic build Fredrik, it's been a pleasure to follow the build. I'm wondering what your next project might be, do you have something in mind?

Richie

Thanks for tagging along, Richie!
The next WWI build might be a Swedish version of the Albatros B.II or a couple of Eduard Camels. I'll probably start on one or the other fairly soon, but right now I'm challenging myself with a Blackburn Buccaneer.

This is an absolutely Stunning Build in all respects! One to ne Really Proud of for sure!
RAGIII

Thanks Rick!
You are faultless in your support! There's always a comment for everyone and everywhere on this forum it seems. What an effort and so important in keeping the forum alive! Good luck with the DH2!

Keeping in line with the above I realise that I probably should help keep this excellent place, this forum, alive and post something in the Completed models section. Thanks to all that have tagged along for the ride and it is an excellent model to work with, just so you know! 😃
/Fredrik
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: kensar on September 30, 2021, 09:46:45 PM
An extraordinary result and deliciously detailed!  Do post more pictures in the completed section.
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Big Sky Modeler on October 01, 2021, 12:52:24 AM
Wonderful build!  I've enjoyed watching this build thread.  Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: FAf on October 01, 2021, 02:53:38 PM
Thanks Ken - pictures now available in the completed section.

Thanks Big Sky Modeler and thank you so much for the assistance with the control wires!
/Fredrik
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Dave W on October 01, 2021, 03:33:12 PM
That is an outstanding build Fredrik - absolute World Class modelling.

I'm sure Copper State would be delighted to see their kit so beautifully made and detailed. Looking through your build reports I had to remind myself this is a 1/48th scale model as its fine detail looked more in place among 1/32 scale models.

This is truly inspirational work and my sincere thanks for sharing it with the Forum.

best regards

Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: Early Bird Fan on October 01, 2021, 04:29:34 PM
what they all said above  ;D

that's a beautiful build and certainly one to be proud of  8)
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: FAf on October 01, 2021, 08:02:56 PM
I'm blushing heavily here!

Thanks for the very nice comments Dave and EBF!
/Fredrik
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: PrzemoL on October 01, 2021, 09:21:15 PM
Great result! Congratulations
Title: Re: CSM 1/48 Armstrong Withworth FK8 Early
Post by: FAf on October 02, 2021, 04:13:55 AM
Great result! Congratulations

Thank you so much! Head over to the completed section for a few more over all shots.
/F