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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => What's New => Topic started by: Brad Cancian on March 27, 2021, 08:40:33 AM
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Hi all - not sure if folks have seen this one, but new from Print Scale resin:
(https://i.imgur.com/wMWY2RL.jpg)
Print Scale are better known for their decals but have ventured into kits. Alas, their facebook page has no shots of the kit parts.
At the moment (I think) these will only be available through Hannants.
The PS facebook page also suggests that these may also be released in 1/48 and 1/144 in future.
Good news!
Cheers,
BC
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That is great news. Two-seaters are sorely lacking in this scale :)
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That is great news. Two-seaters are sorely lacking in this scale :)
I'll second that, and any new releases in the one true scale are always welcome.
WD
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Looking very good!
http://www.printscale.org/data/files/Rumpler__PSR_72%20003.pdf
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I have been considering doing some 1/72nd scale two seaters. This one is tempting but I am not sure I am ready for a small resin kit. Still great News for a scale that needs More two seaters!
RAGIII
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Contrary to first impressions (mine, at least...) this is not a complete kit, it's a 'part model'. It contains resin parts for the engine, guns and cockpit interior, PE and decals for 9 variants. The only existing kit of the Rumpler C.IV in 1/72 scale is the Joystick vacuform still available at Hannants.
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So, it's not a kit, but a detail set? Seems they're marketing this as a kit for all intents and purposes, so far as I can tell. If so, and it's only a detail set, shame on them.
WD
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It says "3D resin part model in 72 scale" on the cover, a bit ambiguous... It's under "Aircraft Conversions (Resin)" at Hannants'.
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Ah what a shame,
I got quite excited :( I think anyone would take that to be a kit if they saw it. Quite a bizarre choice commercially if it’s only for a vacuform kit..
Guy
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Oh, they certainly fooled me. Better remove from backorder then.
There is a Pegasus kit too by the way.
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The Pegasus kit and the Skybirds 86 and Classic Plane resin kits of the Rumpler are long out of production and can only be obtained 2nd hand.
The PS resin parts, PE and decals all look excellent, pity they hadn't combined it with an actual kit.
Grand Models have recently done it right, boxing together a Pegasus D.H.4 with new resin parts, PE and decals.
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This is still a bit of a mystery.
Other 'Accessories' sets on the Print Scale website come with a recommended existing kit ("D.H.82 Queen Bee - Recommended set Airfix De Haviland D.H.82a Tiger Moth") and the Rumpler C.IV comes without recommendation.
On the Hannants website it has been moved from "Conversions" to "Aircraft kits (Resin)".
We'll have to wait and see.
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Has anyone written Printscale to ask? I just did, let's see if I get an answer. :)
WD
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Thanks WD, please let us know when you get an answer.
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The kit is now available at Hannants, under 'Aircraft kits (Resin)', price is £41.66...
https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/PSR72003?result-token=Unc32
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Yes, 5+ in stock, but the price is now 49.99£ !
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It's £41.66 for registered customers, still too much for a detail kit.
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So no fuselage and wings? Is this confirmed?
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No 'official' confirmation but a quote from the Print Scale Website: "Kit contents: Resin details. Quality decals. Photoetched".
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Thanks WD, please let us know when you get an answer.
Two weeks on, and still not a peep from Print Scale. >:( I know I have a note over my modeling bench to not buy their decals, as I've had a couple of friends warn me off. Their silence to my query and the price for what appears to be just a detail set for OOP kits, just reinforces my impression of them, sad to say.
WD
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Just to clear the Hannants price issue - it's £41.66 without VAT for non-EU customers, £49.99 with VAT.
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Without knowing the detail of this release, I would suggest someone email Hannants and ask them what - precisely- is in that box for such a high price ( to me) for a 1/72 model. If it is only a detail set then buyers need to be aware of what they are getting.
On the face of it, it looks like 1/32 scale kit prices for a detail enhancement set. The info on the box is unclear.
I did a quick conversion. The price converted for Australian buyers would be $A73. By comparison the latest Copper State Models 1/32 scale Nieuport XXIII RFC edition complete kit costs the equivalent of $A89 from CSM.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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Done. I'll let you know when I get an answer.
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Ok, surprising answer from Hannants, received shortly after sending the email:
"This is a complete resin produced kit, the pictures provided do not show all of the parts inside but there is a fuselage, wings, nose, propellers etc to produce the plane along with additional detailing parts".
Though still an expensive kit, I hope this puts a smile on some faces here...
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Ok, surprising answer from Hannants, received shortly after sending the email:
"This is a complete resin produced kit, the pictures provided do not show all of the parts inside but there is a fuselage, wings, nose, propellers etc to produce the plane along with additional detailing parts".
Though still an expensive kit, I hope this puts a smile on some faces here...
Thank you enathan. Sad that in two weeks Printscale couldn't respond to my email.
While I believe you get what you pay for, that price is a bit steep for a 1/72nd two seater. Rather than compare it to a 1/32nd scale kit, compare it to other resin, limited run, two-seater kits, and it still comes out too high IMHO.
Your madness may vary,
WD
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I wonder what research Print Scale did for their pricing decision. I just purchased a Choroszy Modelbud resin Rumpler C.1 for just under $20 US. $68 US seems way too expensive. I just don't see this selling well unless the price is adjusted.
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Looks like the parts are all directly 3D printed. That's a slow and expensive production process compared to traditional resin casting. PS are probably only able to manufacture a couple of kits per day, per printer. Hence, the prices tend to be higher.
As for whether the price is worth it, that's up to the individual (I'd say not, but if it's up the the quality of someone like SBS... maybe?), but it doesn't strike me as being totally insane, given the style of kit.
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As for whether the price is worth it, that's up to the individual (I'd say not, but if it's up the the quality of someone like SBS... maybe?), but it doesn't strike me as being totally insane, given the style of kit.
Exactly MoFo. Do I want one? Yes. Do I want one that badly? No. Your madness may vary. :)
WD
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I don't think Hannants expect to sell many either if they have only stocked 5. So all in all things look pretty thin at present. Never mind carry on.
Loopy
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Found this on a Ukrainian shop's website. The price is even higher than Hannants' and the resin parts look like no other resin kit I've seen, probably due to the 3D printing process.
https://www.hobby.dn.ua/print-scale-psc-psr72003-rumpler-civ-resin-p-101751.html?osCsid=5kr7hgbfvhprc53l8ai7v8mgq6
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Viewing the pictures shown at the Ukranian site, only the small parts are 3D printed. The fuselage, wings, tail, elevators, rudder, nose cone(s) etc are casted in resin as any other kit. And 61.67€ for a 1/72 kit is way too much for me... unless it's a whole Zeppelin! ;D
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Just got this kit from Hannants - yes it's expensive but the detail is pretty impressive, as good as anything I've seen in this scale. You get a choice of noses, either with or without the spinner, and a full decal sheet for 8 planes plus a photoetch sheet of cockpit details and the various nose panels. Oh and the ailerons are all molded separately.
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Thanks for the quick, in-box assessment Paul. I have to agree with Beto though: $75.00+ (US) plus shipping is a bit rich for my blood.
WD
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Any pictures of the kit bits that you can share Paul?
Cheers,
Brad
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This kit is, well, different.
I'm not familiar with kits produced in 3D printing and I don't know if the large number of 'gates' for each small part is obligatory but it certainly looks complicated to define, remove and clean these parts. I am familiar with regular resin mouldings, and the kit's main parts have heavy 'gates' that will require a lot of careful sawing and sanding. The lack of detailed instructions makes it a bit more difficult, there are only photos of some of the assembled parts - cockpit interior, guns etc. The decals and PE look excellent. All in all this kit is a welcome (though expensive) addition.
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Some of the parts. Yes, one of the wing struts is crooked.
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I wonder if they'll make good on the crooked wing strut? For $75.00 U.S. 1/72nd scale kit, I'd sure hope so.
WD
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I'm not familiar with kits produced in 3D printing and I don't know if the large number of 'gates' for each small part is obligatory
They are. They support the print as it's building. You can see what happens when they don't connect properly from the damaged strut.
Cleanup should be pretty simple. You can nip them off with a pair of sprue cutters, and sand the nub off with a file or sanding stick. If they connect on surfaces that will be hidden, you can just pull them off; they'll probably leave a little divot on the surface, so you wouldn't want to do it on the really delicate or visible surfaces, but it's a quick way to deal with the supports.
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I bought this kit from a Ukrainian seller on Ebay, as I was offered a somewhat lower price of $70 including shipping.
I asked the seller to replace the crooked parts and he said I will get a replacement either from him or from Print Scale.
To be continued...
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Please let us know how this turns out enathan.
On a different note: a friend of mine published on his blog this week that 3D printing is on the cusp of its "Windows 95" moment. It won't be long now before 3D printers get lower in price for higher end resolution. Instead of paying someone for a kit, we'll just purchase the STL file and print it out our selves. I remember reading that this is how it would turn out in a model railroading magazine in the late 90's, and we're almost there.
WD
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I was notified today that a new parcel was sent to me from Print Scale. So far so good.
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On a different note: a friend of mine published on his blog this week that 3D printing is on the cusp of its "Windows 95" moment. It won't be long now before 3D printers get lower in price for higher end resolution. Instead of paying someone for a kit, we'll just purchase the STL file and print it out our selves. I remember reading that this is how it would turn out in a model railroading magazine in the late 90's, and we're almost there.
No.
Quality isn't really an issue, and prices for printers aren't far off from a decent airbrush. But we're a long, long way off from printing your own model kit. Usability has a long way to come - it's a messy, smelly, dirty, slow process that seems to be beyond a lot of users - 3D printers are still very much tools, not appliances you can just plug in and use. And most modellers don't and won't want to deal with the hassle.
But far more than the machines, there's essentially no way to handle the software side. There are few sites that distribute files for free, and some people trying to sell files with various degrees of success, but basically no real established way to distribute files to customers and, most importantly, ZERO DRM to combat piracy when you do. So the few places attempting to commercialize files get widely ripped off with files posted for free elsewhere, and are ridden with people who themselves are ripping off other artist's (free) works and attempting to charge for them. I do a lot of CAD for scale modelling and I'd never even dream of selling my files, because you pretty much have to assume that while you may sell the first one, every subsequent print you see will be pirated for free. And there's zero way to combat it, and almost no interest among the community to combat it - quite the opposite, the 'open source' nature of the 3D printing community means a lot of people would actively complain if it became more commercialized.
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Replacement wing struts from Print Scale have arrived today, end of story.