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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Hints and Tips/Questions about modeling => Topic started by: phil2015 on March 25, 2021, 05:11:45 AM
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I didn't really know there was one until this afternoon....
I'm working on a 1/48 Eduard SE5 and a couple of instrument panel decals lifted after I thought they were set. One is just gone, but I saw the other one lift off as I was painting some edging around it. So I searched for issues with Eduard decals and found a couple of videos on YouTube about Eduard's "new decals" and getting rid of the carrier film that goes with it. I had no idea. Both of these videos were from Dec 2020. So, when did Eduard start using a different process for making decals that causes this? Is there some way to know from looking at the decals. (In my SE5 kit the decals says printed in Czech in 2017 but I see no other clues).
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I know it was posted some here on the forums in regards to your question .
Last new Eduard kit I bought was their SSW D.III when it was released so I know those decals are fine . The last new tool WW2 kit's is their Mustangs but I'm not using the decals in the kits . I have aftermarket ones for these so I'm not sure if they are the new style .
I'm not sure when they started this , but I think it was the middle of last year .
Alexis
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Yep, I stumbled across this with my Spitfire stencil decals, and they did work really well - look absolutely painted on :D
How are you meant to know which is which though? Is there a way of telling? There was no instruction on it with the decal set I got - Faf told me - so I tried it and it worked!
Guy
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Thanks Alexis and Guy. @Guy - what did you try and it worked? I see two videos - in one method the poster removes the carrier film with tape and in the other the poster removes it with white spirit. The white spirit method didn't work terribly well I thought....
I too would like to know when you have the latter type decals.
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I'm not sure, but I think it's a fairly recent change. The first time I came across any info on this was in relation to the release of Eduard's new Spitfire Mk.I, so last summer then...
I simply scraped off my carrier film (on the stencils only) with a toothpick, but then I had already treated them with Microscale Sol. I think Guy just lifted them once he got a corner free.
/Fredrik
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The decals in my WV SE5a kit are woeful. Stiff as a board and will not respond to either Valejo softener or Micro Sol.
They seem to have dropped the ball on this batch at least.
Cheers,
Hugh
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As Fredrik said..
I just applied as per a normal decal - no solutions, I didn’t try to get the decal to settle onto the surface, just gently rubbed it on.. left it a few minutes then lifted a corner and it peeled off leaving the lettering.
(https://i.postimg.cc/pXzpMBFs/0-E8780-C1-B7-A0-44-EC-ABB9-E64-A576-CD7-C0.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/fJWwxm5d)
Guy
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Wow, I was totally unaware of this! I wonder if the decals in the "Fokker! Fokker!" boxing are like this? As was said earlier, how to know?
WD
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I have not used the new Eduard decals but this sounds like the old FCM decal "wet transfer system". First applied to a gloss surface and then the carrier film removed after the decal had firmly set. Some people like the FCM process but many were confused so FCM had MicroScale print standard decals.
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I have not used the new Eduard decals but this sounds like the old FCM decal "wet transfer system". First applied to a gloss surface and then the carrier film removed after the decal had firmly set. Some people like the FCM process but many were confused so FCM had MicroScale print standard decals.
I remember those and I think I have some in the stash. T'would be nice if Eduard would let their customers/consumers know if their kit has those decals or the regular ones.
WD
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Concerning Eduard"s new decals, the following statement has been taken from their April 2021news letter:
Keep in mind that these decals work
just as well utilizing traditional application
methods and expectations. Nevertheless, in
order to appease all of the potential carrier
film ‘peelers’ out there, Jakub Nademlejnsky
is in the process of preparing a short but informative instructional article on doing just
that. Actually, the peeling of the carrier film
from the decals is not rocket science, nor is
it brain surgery, and the end result is truly
mesmerizing. But, even so, this will be a ‘proceed at your own risk’ endeavor on the user’s
part. This article will come out in the May edition of the newsletter.
Bob
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Thanks Bob! I'd still like to know which kits come with these "new" decals and where the cut off is.
WD
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Some information from Eduard themselves on their "new" decals - their latest newsletter pages 51-60 https://www.eduard.com/info-eduard-may-2021/?&force_sid=s476iqej06690ones3m61d0sg1o8gih9 (https://www.eduard.com/info-eduard-may-2021/?&force_sid=s476iqej06690ones3m61d0sg1o8gih9)
/Fredrik
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Some information from Eduard themselves on their "new" decals ... .
Thanks Fredrik and Bob. Looks like peeling the film results in instant "weathering" what with tiny bits flaking off.
It never ceases to amaze me the disdain Sulc shows in his editorials toward the people making him rich.
Gene K
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Reading the article the only difference I see is the coloured part of the decal is glossy on the "unpeeled" version. No decal film is visible on either. Unless you don't plan on using any final clear coat I'm not sure what the "peeling" advantage is.
Steve
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Given the discussion around this subject in Bughunter's excellent Eduard 1/48 Camel build I thought it a good time to bump this topic for newcomers to this technology (such as myself).
Has anyone been able to figure out how we know which kits have "peelable" carrier film and which are the more traditional style? I guess we just need to go by what's in the Eduard newsletter (https://www.eduard.com/info-eduard-may-2021/?&force_sid=s476iqej06690ones3m61d0sg1o8gih9) linked above (pg52-61):
The new generation of Eduard decals has been developed since 2018. In all kits of all Eduard series, these decals have been stan-dard since September 2019. Another type of decals is not used for Eduard kits after this date, the same applies to Eduard Decals sets.
I recommend downloading this copy of Info Eduard as this section is all about applying the new decals and I'm sure will be invaluable to those (like me) yet to encounter them.
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Thanks for the reminder sir! I have several new Eduard kits in the stash (Fokker D.VII's of various boxings, the Udet three kit boxings, and some off topic part two kits) so I need to be reminded of this.
WD
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Can you post this every couple of weeks. I forget things after about 20 minutes. :o
Steve