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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: RAGIII on March 24, 2021, 03:43:50 AM
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I had started this one as part of a dual build a few years ago.
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=9993.0
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With the Compressor down and not much I could do on the Nieuport 28 I went back and have begun to resurrect the build. The cockpit is moving forward. I added a little simulated copper tubing and a clear pulsator otherwise OOB.
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It will be interesting to see you finish this one Rick. Looking forward to seeing another of your French builds completed.
Stephen.
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It will be interesting to see you finish this one Rick. Looking forward to seeing another of your French builds completed.
Stephen.
Thanks Stephen. This is most likely Rodens Most Challenging build in 1/32nd scale. Someone who represented Roden on another Forum said the mold was originally intended for a "Limited Run" small company but when WNW hit the scene they took it on as their own. I don't know that to be fact but it does seem a bit different in some respects from their other kits. I also remembered that I had difficulty with the framework and substituted the frame from the Hobby Craft Nieuport 17 modified to work with some of the kit parts.
RAGIII
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Tagging along Rick :)
Alexis
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Tagging along Rick :)
Alexis
Thanks and glad to have you here! One other thing I remembered. The kit seat back was copied in thinner sheet styrene and was much easier to bend to shape :D
RAGIII
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And the next build .... you are really a modeling machine at the moment!
It is always good to give a shelf queen a second chance to be finished, which is what I should do too.
Cheers,
Frank
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Nice to see this one, following.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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And the next build .... you are really a modeling machine at the moment!
It is always good to give a shelf queen a second chance to be finished, which is what I should do too.
Cheers,
Frank
Thanks for looking in Frank. Yes I am glad to be back on this one. Some More progress yesterday so maybe pics later today!
RAGIII
Nice to see this one, following.
Ciao
Giuseppe
Thanks Giuseppe! Good to have you along!
RAGIII
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Not a lot of progress but did add seat belts. Now just need to paint the buckles and touch up all of the interior. Also need to add control wires.
RAGIII
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That is a nice looking pit so far !
Alexis
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That is a nice looking pit so far !
Alexis
Thanks Alexis. Hopefully it will be even better after touch up and a few more things added 8)
RAGIII
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Oh, Yes, Rick! Another masterful build coming along with great details! Great colours and coming together so nicely! Regards, Marc.
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Maybe my eyes are failing me Rick, (although I had an eye test recently and they reported no problems!), but I cannot see what needs touching up.... I just see a very good model or better.
Stephen.
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Hello, Rick -
Brilliant work so far!
I will be following this one with interest.
Just be aware there is an issue getting the interplane struts to align correctly. I had real problems here (most likely down to me) and ended up giving up on it.
Very best of luck on a not so easy kit.
Regards
Dave
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Oh, Yes, Rick! Another masterful build coming along with great details! Great colours and coming together so nicely! Regards, Marc.
Thanks Mark, Greatly appreciate you following along!
RAGIII
Maybe my eyes are failing me Rick, (although I had an eye test recently and they reported no problems!), but I cannot see what needs touching up.... I just see a very good model or better.
Stephen.
Again I guess you will have to trust me 8) I did a bit of the work yesterday and hope to finish the pit today!
RAGIII
Hello, Rick -
Brilliant work so far!
I will be following this one with interest.
Just be aware there is an issue getting the interplane struts to align correctly. I had real problems here (most likely down to me) and ended up giving up on it.
Very best of luck on a not so easy kit.
Regards
Dave
Thanks Dave! One certainly needs to approach this kit as though it is a "Limited Run" kit! Expect to have to "Work Out" fit issues. I spent a couple of hours yesterday trying to thin down the cowling so the engine would fit. In the end I still had to sand some of the head detail away from the engine. Stephen Lawson said the lower wings were too long by something like 1/8 or 1/4 of an inch each.( I cant remember which right now) That would make a considerable difference in where the struts line up! When I get there MY plan is to mount the upper wing on the cabanes and trim the lowers as needed before gluing to the fuselage and interplane struts. We shall see how that goes ::)
RAGIII
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So todays session was touching up and finishing the interior. I then glued the fuselage halves together, added the firewall and upper cowl decking. The first photo shows the scheme I intend to do. I will need to get someone to do a mask for the BAT marking on the fuselage. LOTS of FILLING and SANDING will be next up on this one ::)
RAGIII
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Looks good with the fuselage closed up :)
Alexis
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Hi Rick, you are a machine - Another French/US...
The Nieuport 24 bis No. 3772 of Sgt Andrew C. Campbell is one of the models I have on my todo list!
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Just want to make sure you have this wonderful photo of Campbell and his plane?
Kent
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Looks good with the fuselage closed up :)
Alexis
Thanks Alexis!
RAGIII
Thanks Kent. The photo is excellent. I think I have it in one of My books but not this large 8) I am certain you will do wonders I haven't even thought of with this kit...Like turning your own cowling ;D
RAGIII
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Good progress, there, Rick! The cockpit came out really well. I do love the colour scheme. Any idea where the BAT comes from?? Stunning photo, Kent, now I have to do it someday too! Regards, Marc.
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Good progress, there, Rick! The cockpit came out really well. I do love the colour scheme. Any idea where the BAT comes from?? Stunning photo, Kent, now I have to do it someday too! Regards, Marc.
Thanks Marc. The reason or meaning of BAT is unknown. Today I did the first filling and sanding session. More will be needed! I also worked on the kit engine. Even after all of the dremeling and sanding it is still a tight fit. If one were to look closely it is obvious it would not turn in the cowling. So I also worked on the Hobby Craft Nieuport 17 engine. It is smaller and fits perfectly but not as detailed. I am still thinking this one over :-\
RAGIII
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Great progress so far! Just picked this kit up myself so following with interest in how it goes together.
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Nice one Rick. If you can thin down the cowling i would choose for the kit engine. But on the other hand, the Hobby craft engine don't look to bad so why all the hassle for a little more detail?
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Great progress so far! Just picked this kit up myself so following with interest in how it goes together.
Thanks for the comment! I am pretty sure I have mentioned this but be prepared to do a Lot of Test Fitting. I also found some of the interior parts to be "Glue Resistant" thus using a modified frame from a Hobby Craft Nieuport 17. I have seen this kit beautifully built so I know it can be done ::)
RAGIII
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Nice one Rick. If you can thin down the cowling i would choose for the kit engine. But on the other hand, the Hobby craft engine don't look to bad so why all the hassle for a little more detail?
I might give the cowling one more session with the Dremel Tool. I have thinned it quite a lot already ::) If I go too far I have another cowling !
RAGIII
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Nice job on both engines Rick , shame the kit engine doesn't fit very well . It does actually have nice detail to it .
Bottom of the fuselage isn't a pretty sight at all and the top back part of the fuselage where is meets up with the tail planes has me asking so many questions as to why they would mould it this way ? The kit did come this way ?
Can you thin the inside of the cowl more ?
Alexis
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Nice job on both engines Rick , shame the kit engine doesn't fit very well . It does actually have nice detail to it .
Bottom of the fuselage isn't a pretty sight at all and the top back part of the fuselage where is meets up with the tail planes has me asking so many questions as to why they would mould it this way ? The kit did come this way ?
Can you thin the inside of the cowl more ?
Alexis
Thanks Alexis. Yes the fit on the lower side is pretty rough. I just looked at an old thread here on the Forum and they pretty much had the same result :( As for the tail joint I guess it was done this way so both the 24 bis and 24/27 could be modeled using different parts. I added the tail after filling so hopefully it will blend in after the next session. Finally, Like I said I am going to try one more session on the inside of the cowling...we shhall see how it goes.
RAGIII
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That does look like a lot of filler Rick.
Does it matter if the engine is a little less detailed on this model? You could always save the kit engine for another model which has a less detailed engine but more space.
Stephen.
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Rick, good job!
It is for sure not a CSM Nieuport, but I'm sure you will create a great model from it!
Cheers,
Frank
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That does look like a lot of filler Rick.
Does it matter if the engine is a little less detailed on this model? You could always save the kit engine for another model which has a less detailed engine but more space.
Stephen.
It is more work than usual but hopefully worth it in the end. As for the engines, normally I would say the Hobby Craft is good enough. IN this case the place where the Roden engine really is better is the fins on the cylinders. It so happens that they are the most prominent part that is seen! So I dremelled again and got things where I can accept the fit of the kit engine :-[
RAGIII
Rick, good job!
It is for sure not a CSM Nieuport, but I'm sure you will create a great model from it!
Cheers,
Frank
No, Not a CSM kit by a long shot. That being said I got the second filler coat, sanded, used a bit of Tamiya Mr. Surfacer, sanded, and then shot some Tamiya grey as a primer. Not too bad and only a couple of spots need more attention!
RAGIII
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Vast improvement on what it look like before , excellent Rick ! Glad to hear that you work out the fit issue with the engine and was able to get it fit !
Alexis
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Vast improvement on what it look like before , excellent Rick ! Glad to hear that you work out the fit issue with the engine and was able to get it fit !
Alexis
Thanks Alexis. It still needs a few tweaks but I am pleased so far! As for the engine, it is still tight but at least it fits in without fowling the fit of the cowling to fuselage ::)
RAFGIII
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So today I took a couple of steps forward. I attached the landing gear and then attached the upper wing. I am going a bit outside of the box here. My plan is to figure out if, and or how much I need to remove from the lower wing. I will use PVA to attach the interplanes to the upper wing, line up the lower wing and mark where the interplane struts meet the lower wing. Any variance as to where they line up will be removed from the fuselage end of the wing. Once that is done I will remove the interplane struts and paint the main scheme. That's the plan anyway 8)
RAGIII
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Good luck, Rick!
I watching with close interest now as this is the part of the build I fell flat on.
Regards
Dave
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Looks good as a parasol kite ;)
Alexis
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Good luck, Rick!
I watching with close interest now as this is the part of the build I fell flat on.
Regards
Dave
I took today off. I hope to have an answer for you tomorrow ::)
RAGIII
Looks good as a parasol kite ;)
Alexis
Yeah Alexis! If I fail on the lower wings I can always add some airfoil strut material and call it an experimental Monoplne version ;D
RAGIII
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So the plan was to use white glue, hold the interplane struts in place, and figure out how much I needed to remove from the lower wings to line everything up. That pretty much failed although silly putty allowed me to line things up enough to think I need to remove about 2mm. So now I know I have to attach the interplane struts permanently to the upper wing in order to get all things final. So....I painted the aluminum finish on the airframe and next I will apply the under wing roundels. Then the struts will be attached and I will find out for sure what I need to do 8)
RAGIII
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Nice job on spraying the alum dope Rick , nice and smooth . Looking forward on seeing how the lower wings turn out ! :)
Alexis
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that aluminum looks great - what paint do you use for that?
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Nice job on spraying the alum dope Rick , nice and smooth . Looking forward on seeing how the lower wings turn out ! :)
Alexis
Thanks Alexis. More about the "Nice and Smooth" in answering Patrick's question ::)
RAGIII
that aluminum looks great - what paint do you use for that?
First Thanks for the comment. The road to the Aluminum finish was rocky! I first sprayed some Tamiya black then used Tamiya Chrome silver. I don't know what happened but the pigment was terrible. Rough as a gravel driveway! I used a polishing cloth to smooth it out as much as possible. I looked around for another silver in My paint stash and found a Very Old bottle of Floquil Bright Silver. I sprayed that over all of the Tamiya and it worked great! Saved this one from Doom 8)
RAGIII
PS: I did let the Tamiya cure for 24 hrs. before polishing and spraying the Floquil!
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Ah yes, always heard amazing things about the old Floquil silver paints (old silver and bright) though also that they smelled really bad :)
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Ah yes, always heard amazing things about the old Floquil silver paints (old silver and bright) though also that they smelled really bad :)
It was excellent paint. The fact that this bottle is probably 40 years Old is a Testament to it's durability in the jar 8) As for the smell it is strong, especially now that Xylene is My only choice of thinner. Even worse than the original Dio Sol!!
RAGIII
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Looking good Rick!
I too, like the parasol look ;)
Good save on the aluminium - I’ve had similar issues with Alclads lately
Guy
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Looking good Rick!
I too, like the parasol look ;)
Good save on the aluminium - I’ve had similar issues with Alclads lately
Guy
Thanks Guy! I have never had an issue like this with Tamiya paint so I am guessing it was "Old Paint" that caused it. On the other hand I have heard people mention that Tamiya Aluminum has pigment that is too rough although I have Never Had an issue with it like this with the Chrome Silver? Thank God for the Floquil ;D By the way I am totally serious in that If I fail to get the lower wings properly in place I am going to make it a what If Monoplane ::)
RAGIII
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Nice job on the silver painting. It's always difficult to get a nice even shine on the paint but you did a great job. A whatif monoplane would be a nice one.
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I'm glad the repair job on the silver turned out so beautiful Rick.
I think you could well do without another mishap. You've already had your share the past year...
Willem
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I miss a couple of days and a beautiful parasol appears! It reads as though you are making a scratch build here Rick - adjusting the lower wing to exactly fir the upper one. I am sure that your revised plan will work - guess why I am so sure - and it does add extra interest to a build when a challenge has to be overcome.
Stephen.
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Wow, you made a great progress here! I like the copper oil tank.
The alu shade on the wings looks nice!
Cheers,
Frank
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Thanks to all for the comments.
RAGIII
Wow, you made a great progress here! I like the copper oil tank.
The alu shade on the wings looks nice!
Cheers,
Frank
Thanks Frank. The Old Floquil paint does look nice, IMHO. This one is on hold until I get some masks!
RAGIII
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I haven't been totally idle on this one 8) Cowling, engine, and aileron control rods are installed. Waiting on masks for the BAT and roundels.
RAGIII
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I really miss the Floquil paints :'( :'( :'(
Have you been able to work out the lower wing placement yet ?
Alexis
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I really miss the Floquil paints :'( :'( :'(
Have you been able to work out the lower wing placement yet ?
Alexis
I think so Alexis. I won't know for sure until I can permanently glue the struts in place. I do have a backup plan just in case ::)
RAGIII
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This is fasciating Rick, eagerly waiting for the next instalment with fingers crossed for you.
Cheers,
Dave.
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This is fasciating Rick, eagerly waiting for the next instalment with fingers crossed for you.
Cheers,
Dave.
Thanks Dave!
Once the Masks are done and arrive I will go on to the next step!
RAGIII
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Well it has been a while since the last update. I received the Masks I was waiting for, Thanks Fredrik! I wasted no time putting them to use. All I need to do now is a bit of touch up and paint the shield on the upper fuselage.
RAGIII
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PS: The real test will be seeing if I can get the lower wings on and attached properly ::)
PPS: The Indian Head Insignia is from Pheons SPAD VII Lafayette sheet
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Good job! Good luck with the lower wings.
/Fredrik
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Looking really elegant Rick, love the silver dope scheme. You'll definitely get the lower wings on just fine. Well I'm confident anyway! :)
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Great, Rick
Models always seem to come to life once you put the markings on.
I'm crossing my fingers for you on getting the lower wings on
Regards
Dave
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I completely agree with Richie: the finish is simply super. As for the wings - they will go on to help complete another first class model from your workshop.
Stephen.
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As usual, outstanding modelling Rick!
I'm always amazed by the tempo with which you build and yet maintaining this high standard.
Your completed models must take up a lot of shelf space by now.
Any chance of posting some overview pics of them?
Willem
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Good job! Good luck with the lower wings.
/Fredrik
Thanks Fredrik. You made it easy to do the markings 8)
RAGIII
Looking really elegant Rick, love the silver dope scheme. You'll definitely get the lower wings on just fine. Well I'm confident anyway! :)
Thanks Richie. I should note that getting them on May not be the issue...keeping them on is another story :-[
RAGIII
Great, Rick
Models always seem to come to life once you put the markings on.
I'm crossing my fingers for you on getting the lower wings on
Regards
Dave
Thanks Dave! I am pleased with how the painted markings came out. One nice thing is their is no problem matching the colors when final touch up is needed :D
RAGIII
I completely agree with Richie: the finish is simply super. As for the wings - they will go on to help complete another first class model from your workshop.
Stephen.
Thanks Stephen. I certainly hope you are right!
RAGIII
As usual, outstanding modelling Rick!
I'm always amazed by the tempo with which you build and yet maintaining this high standard.
Your completed models must take up a lot of shelf space by now.
Any chance of posting some overview pics of them?
Willem
Thanks Willem. My Tempo is average as is the quality 8) I will try for a couple of photos later taking in the collection.
RAGIII
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Looking good Rick. The Indian head and markings look great. Keep focused when you place the lower wings and I'm sure you can do it.
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Looking good Rick. The Indian head and markings look great. Keep focused when you place the lower wings and I'm sure you can do it.
Thanks for commenting! I made the plunge and mounted the lower wings. The good news is that the struts line up square, the dihedral looks good and all is fairly secure. The bad news is that I was impatient and should have waited to make my cuts on the lower wing roots. Some fit issues will need to be fixed with Magic 8)
RAGIII
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I'm glad the repair job on the silver turned out so beautiful Rick.
I think you could well do without another mishap. You've already had your share the past year...
Willem
I thought it was time to confess ::) About the time you posted this comment I was setting up for a photo shoot of the Nieuport 28. I moved the 24bis from my photo area and placed it in a box below. I grabbed My Cell phone and dropped it right where I had placed the 24. I have to say that if a Cell phone has altitude advantage the Nieuport is a goner! I salvaged the interior and rebuilt the aircraft from My second kit iin the stash. I used the Floquil silver without the Tamiya mishap and went on 8) I did give a small hint in that I added 2.5 to the title ;D So everything from the photos with the cowling attached is version 2.5 ;D
RAGIII
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Another excellent silver finish. Like someone said - 'don't slop it on'.
I have to say your work is still improving from one model to the next (either that or your photography is improving) ;D
I'm really liking how this is turning out.
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Love that aluminium finish Rick. Great progress despite the mishap 8)...and we all have them!
Cheers,
Gary
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Even with a slight mishap Rick on the cutting this part turned out great to be honest . Most excellent indeed :)
Alexis
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Another excellent silver finish. Like someone said - 'don't slop it on'.
I have to say your work is still improving from one model to the next (either that or your photography is improving) ;D
I'm really liking how this is turning out.
Thanks Ken. I think My building Peaked years ago so it must be the Photos 8)
RAGIII
Love that aluminium finish Rick. Great progress despite the mishap 8)...and we all have them!
Cheers,
Gary
Thanks Gary. My attrition rate due to mishaps is at a point where I can't afford it to be ::)
RAGIII
Even with a slight mishap Rick on the cutting this part turned out great to be honest . Most excellent indeed :)
Alexis
Thanks Alexis. Hopefully I will fix the roots in a couple of days :-\
RAGIII
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The roundels are masked? Great job!
At least on small ones it may be not easy ::)
An aluminium Nieuport is nice, I should touch soon the Nieuport 17 Triplane!
Cheers,
Frank
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Great, Rick -
Glad to see you have the lower wings on. I hope it goes well sorting out the fit at the wing roots
Regards
Dave
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The roundels are masked? Great job!
At least on small ones it may be not easy ::)
An aluminium Nieuport is nice, I should touch soon the Nieuport 17 Triplane!
Cheers,
Frank
Thanks Frank. Yes all of the markings except the indian head are painted using Masks that Fredrik did for Me. He sent very detailed directions on using them that were a Terrific Help! I look forward to seeing that Nieuport Triplane 8)
RAGIII
Great, Rick -
Glad to see you have the lower wings on. I hope it goes well sorting out the fit at the wing roots
Regards
Dave
Thanks Dave. I have a plan for the wing roots and of course alternate plan B :o
RAGIII
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Beautiful work as always Rick, your roundels look amazingly clean. I often end up with a lot of touching up to do when I mask them. I knew the lower wings would be on and in fine shape soon enough. ;)
Richie
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The roundels and wings look excellent rick. I am sure that your photography is not the reason why your models continue to improve, practice takes us towards perfection.
Shame about another accident with a kit: can you salvage any parts for possible use elsewhere? At least you do not give up and throw it all in the bin - although the temptation to do so must be great sometimes.
Stephen.
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Beautiful work as always Rick, your roundels look amazingly clean. I often end up with a lot of touching up to do when I mask them. I knew the lower wings would be on and in fine shape soon enough. ;)
Richie
Thanks Richie! I was lucky ;D
RAGIII
The roundels and wings look excellent rick. I am sure that your photography is not the reason why your models continue to improve, practice takes us towards perfection.
Shame about another accident with a kit: can you salvage any parts for possible use elsewhere? At least you do not give up and throw it all in the bin - although the temptation to do so must be great sometimes.
Stephen.
Like I said I managed to salvage the interior and used it on the second build. Also the cowling that I had drilled out and engine!
RAGIII
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Thanks Richie! I was lucky ;D
RAGIII
The better you are, the luckier you are! ;)
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As usual, outstanding modelling Rick!
I'm always amazed by the tempo with which you build and yet maintaining this high standard.
Your completed models must take up a lot of shelf space by now.
Any chance of posting some overview pics of them?
Willem
You asked for an overview of the collection so here is the best I can do:
RAGIII
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That is one amazing collection Rick! I can imagine you sitting in a chair in front of them, admiring your own work. I know I would!
In a former life I had a dozen or so, mainly WWII 1/72 Airfix, but I moved a couple of times to often and they simply didn't survive. I have a moderate stash (WWI only) and I'm thinking of taking out the Port Victoria PV.7 to build alongside the HP V/1500 (No, I didn't abandon it, I'm still working on it)
Thanks for posting this Rick!
Willem
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Fantastic collection there Rick, that represents many hours of time very well spent!
The Luftwaffe aircraft are so bright and colourful, I've never built one. Not even the famous red Triplane, this has to be put right! If what I produce comes out anything like yours I will be very happy!
Finally, although slightly off topic, I love that Hurricane. I always go a bit gushy whenever I see one in the flesh or just a model. What a brilliant design by Sydney Camm. An 8 gun monoplane that could be produced quickly using existing knowledge and jigs, was cheap, easily repairable and could take an absolute battering and still be flown home.
Thanks for showing us your amazing collection!
Richie
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That 24 is looking quite superb, Rick. Sorry about the disaster though, you get more of your fair share! But a great recovery. I think that attaching the top wing first and using this to line up and support the lower wings is the way to go, I think I was planning something similar on mine before Covid erased my memory! The collection is stunning, thanks for posting! Marc.
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That is one amazing collection Rick! I can imagine you sitting in a chair in front of them, admiring your own work. I know I would!
In a former life I had a dozen or so, mainly WWII 1/72 Airfix, but I moved a couple of times to often and they simply didn't survive. I have a moderate stash (WWI only) and I'm thinking of taking out the Port Victoria PV.7 to build alongside the HP V/1500 (No, I didn't abandon it, I'm still working on it)
Thanks for posting this Rick!
Willem
Glad to here you are still working on the HP!
You are welcome ;D
Fantastic collection there Rick, that represents many hours of time very well spent!
The Luftwaffe aircraft are so bright and colourful, I've never built one. Not even the famous red Triplane, this has to be put right! If what I produce comes out anything like yours I will be very happy!
Finally, although slightly off topic, I love that Hurricane. I always go a bit gushy whenever I see one in the flesh or just a model. What a brilliant design by Sydney Camm. An 8 gun monoplane that could be produced quickly using existing knowledge and jigs, was cheap, easily repairable and could take an absolute battering and still be flown home.
Thanks for showing us your amazing collection!
Richie
Thanks Richie. The colors are one of the Reasons it was nicknamed "The Circus" by the British and USAS Flyers 8) AS for the Hurricane it is a cool aircraft. The 1/48th kits on the top of the case are almost all that is lefet of My 1/48th collection. I gave the bulk of them away several Months ago and these will follow suit soon. The Meteor ( 1/32nd) will stay ;D
RAGIII
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That 24 is looking quite superb, Rick. Sorry about the disaster though, you get more of your fair share! But a great recovery. I think that attaching the top wing first and using this to line up and support the lower wings is the way to go, I think I was planning something similar on mine before Covid erased my memory! The collection is stunning, thanks for posting! Marc.
Thanks Marc. I think My approach on the 24 wings was good I just rushed things and didn't quite get the cuts right. If I ever do another I know now what not to do :o Also thanks for the comments on the collection 8)
RAGIII
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O wow, what a great collection.
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Good to see all of them !!
Ed
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Outstanding collection. :o
You can be very proud of it, Rick.
Chapeau, Manni
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O wow, what a great collection.
Thanks Ferry!
RAGIII
Good to see all of them !!
Ed
Thanks Amigo!
RAGIII
Outstanding collection. :o
You can be very proud of it, Rick.
Chapeau, Manni
Thanks Manni! By the way it is great to hear from you as it has been a while!
RAGIII
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It has been a while without updates on this one but never fear it is still in the process of being built ::) The filling of the wing root did not go as easily as I had hoped! I think I have it where I can accept the results now....Hopefully! Ready to touch up paint now!
RAGIII
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That wing root. Did the 24bis do away with the pivoting lower wing then?
Richard
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That wing root. Did the 24bis do away with the pivoting lower wing then?
Richard
I have to admit to knowing Nothing about a "Pivoting" wing. That being said the photos make it look like the wings are filled solid to the fuselage. There is still a space between root and fuselage just not as large as before.
RAGIII
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That wing root. Did the 24bis do away with the pivoting lower wing then?
Richard
I have to admit to knowing Nothing about a "Pivoting" wing. That being said the photos make it look like the wings are filled solid to the fuselage. There is still a space between root and fuselage just not as large as before.
RAGIII
I'd say that was unlikely
Going waaaay back, Nieuport introduced the Sesquiplane design with the XB. One of the special features was the ability of the pilot to change the angle of attack of the lower wing via a lever in the cockpit
To do this, the wing had one spar, and it pivoted in a socket in the end of a tube running across the bottom of the cockpit. This apparently a Nie 23:
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You can see the socket on the bottom longeron
Because of wanting to make the wing pivot, it lead to several features that are characteristic of the little Nieuports:
The wing is narrow chord because it has only one spar
The outer struts are a vee so the wing can pivot around the base
It has a cylindrical connection to the fuselage
Only the XB seems to have had the control lever, all subsequent Nieuports kept the narrow chord, single spar wing. The socket seems to have been useful in rigging the aeroplane
Incidentally, this single spar wing may well be why the Nieuports suffered from lower wing flutter and failure
So - I wouldn't expect to find the lower wing of a 24bis to be fully faired to the fuselage - there should be a join. Otherwise they couldn't take the wings off
Richard
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Not a bad turn out on the lower wings Rick . Once the clean up is done no one will never know . Awesome !
Alexis
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I agree with Alexis: that joint looks good to me. And is anyone going to be able to look underneath when it is finished?
Stephen.
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I nearly missed this update, Rick!
Glad you got the wing roots sorted out and I can certainly imagine that this was not an easy fix so well done, mate.
Regards
Dave
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Richard, Thanks for the details on the "Pivoting" wing. I am aware of that single spar and have a great photo of the attachment. Alternate Plan C was to leave the lower wings off and add the detail to the fuselage ;D
RAGIII
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Not a bad turn out on the lower wings Rick . Once the clean up is done no one will never know . Awesome !
Alexis
Thanks Alexis, we shall see how it looks once painted. Like I said the photos are a bit deceptive. There is a gap left between the fuselage and wings. I just tried to get it narrowed down, especially on the right wing!
RAGIII
I agree with Alexis: that joint looks good to me. And is anyone going to be able to look underneath when it is finished?
Stephen.
Thanks Stephen. I appreciate the support!
RAGIII
I nearly missed this update, Rick!
Glad you got the wing roots sorted out and I can certainly imagine that this was not an easy fix so well done, mate.
Regards
Dave
Thanks Dave. Like I said earlier it was moving too quickly on My cuts that created the issue. Patience is not one of My Strong Points ::)
RAGIII
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Richard, Thanks for the details on the "Pivoting" wing. I am aware of that single spar and have a great photo of the attachment. Alternate Plan C was to leave the lower wings off and add the detail to the fuselage ;D
RAGIII
Sounds like a plan!
Richard
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Great looking progress on this bird, Rick. Lovely fuselage shade. And, well I counted 30 WWI biplanes in your cabinets, hats off! :)
Best regards,
Andreas
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Great looking progress on this bird, Rick. Lovely fuselage shade. And, well I counted 30 WWI biplanes in your cabinets, hats off! :)
Best regards,
Andreas
Thanks for the comment. I think it is 34 8) I will double check.
RAGIII
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Rick, this a heck of a lot better than you seem to think. Like Alexis said, once you've done the finishing touches it will be absolutely fine. The paintwork is to your usual high standard. Was that pre or post shading to get the tonal variation? I like the effect very much.
Richie
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Rick, this a heck of a lot better than you seem to think. Like Alexis said, once you've done the finishing touches it will be absolutely fine. The paintwork is to your usual high standard. Was that pre or post shading to get the tonal variation? I like the effect very much.
Richie
Thanks Richie...We shall see. One thing is certain it will never win a contest ;D Andreas, A recount came out to 35!
RAGIII
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I have more or less finished the lower wing fit issue. Didn't go as well as I had hoped but it will have to do! I also have done oil dot filters to weather. Next up is adding the fabric strips to the interplane struts then rigging. I also did the sheild marking...again not as easy as I thought and a little rough!
RAGIII
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I love it Rick !
She is looking fantastic and I think you did a fine job on the wing root area of the lower wings . Also have to mention that your filter for the weathering is also eye catching and is just the right amount . :)
Alexis
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I'm really pleased you succeeded in getting the wings on - I totally failed here. I've now filed your method as I'm now tempted to have another go at this one.
This will look superb when done
Regards
Dave
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I love it Rick !
She is looking fantastic and I think you did a fine job on the wing root area of the lower wings . Also have to mention that your filter for the weathering is also eye catching and is just the right amount . :)
Alexis
Thanks Alexis. I appreciate the positive comments.
RAGIII
I'm really pleased you succeeded in getting the wings on - I totally failed here. I've now filed your method as I'm now tempted to have another go at this one.
This will look superb when done
Regards
Dave
Dave,
My method for mounting the wings was sound. My Impatience was Not. It will work as long as one glues the upper wing in place, glues the interplane dtruts, lets them dry, and Then Measures the lower wing!
So today I was inspired and did all of the Major rigging lines. Next up I will paint the wires and add Smoke and Mirrors Turnbuckles 8)
RAGIII
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Looking great now you have the bracing wires in!
Regards
Dave
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Congratulations on your success with the lower wing - I knew that you would be able to do it. The finish and rigging are first class - and another super model is shortly going to land in your display cabinet. Am looking forward to seeing the finished model pics.
Stephen.
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Looking great now you have the bracing wires in!
Regards
Dave
Thanks Dave! I am much relieved that I was able to install the wires without ripping off the lower wings 8)
RAGIII
Congratulations on your success with the lower wing - I knew that you would be able to do it. The finish and rigging are first class - and another super model is shortly going to land in your display cabinet. Am looking forward to seeing the finished model pics.
Stephen.
Thanks Stephen. Hopefully I am past the most dangerous stages now ::)
RAGIII
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Hey Rick, I seldom follow step-by-step builds but had to delve into this one after starting a Roden Nie 27.
Firstly, congrats and deep respect for what you've achieved here. Looks amazing and nobody would know what you've had to go through to pull this pig's ear into shape.
I've always defended Roden 1/32 kits having built several and indeed finding the Albatros D.III to be an excellent kit with perfect strut anchor points etc. However I'm building a CSM XVII and decided to do a Roden 27 at the same time. Oh my goodness, I see now why so many have criticized them. It really is a bit of a toy with very soft details and the comparison with CSM does it no favours. (The only plus point is fewer gate points to clean up - a bugbear with CSM, but of course these help guarantee the sharp detailing!)
I was tempted to just glue it together and use as a mule for an exterior paint job, but your perseverance has encouraged me to take a deep breath and dive in again.
(I've got 50 WNW kits staring at me from the stash - and life's hourglass is not filling itself up again - why the hell did I decide to spend my time on this one?)
Anyway, thank you for showing a way through the labyrinth - and admiration for the beautiful swan you have drawn from a very ugly duckling.
Sandy
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Hey Rick, I seldom follow step-by-step builds but had to delve into this one after starting a Roden Nie 27.
Firstly, congrats and deep respect for what you've achieved here. Looks amazing and nobody would know what you've had to go through to pull this pig's ear into shape.
I've always defended Roden 1/32 kits having built several and indeed finding the Albatros D.III to be an excellent kit with perfect strut anchor points etc. However I'm building a CSM XVII and decided to do a Roden 27 at the same time. Oh my goodness, I see now why so many have criticized them. It really is a bit of a toy with very soft details and the comparison with CSM does it no favours. (The only plus point is fewer gate points to clean up - a bugbear with CSM, but of course these help guarantee the sharp detailing!)
I was tempted to just glue it together and use as a mule for an exterior paint job, but your perseverance has encouraged me to take a deep breath and dive in again.
(I've got 50 WNW kits staring at me from the stash - and life's hourglass is not filling itself up again - why the hell did I decide to spend my time on this one?)
Anyway, thank you for showing a way through the labyrinth - and admiration for the beautiful swan you have drawn from a very ugly duckling.
Sandy
Thanks Sandy! If you read from the beginning you know that I also started mine at the same time as a CSM Nieuport. This one, or rather the one I started and dropped the cell phone on, was shelved for a couple of years. Of all of the Roden kits this one stands alone as the Most Challenging. I am pretty sure I mentioned and or you are aware that this kit was originally intended for a limited run, to be molded by Roden for another company. My advice is to take your time and make sure all of the struts line up, especially the cabanes as they set the tone for lower wing alingment. I am glad My build has inspired you to try yours again! I also thank you again for the compliments. This one will Never be a contest bird but provideing I have No more accidents it will be a satisfying build!
RAGIII
PS: Here is another inspiring build although Photo Bucket has made it difficult to view properly:
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=2490.0
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Nice work, Rick. It's looking more complete with the rigging on it.
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Excellent job on the rigging Rick 8)
Alexis
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Nice work, Rick. It's looking more complete with the rigging on it.
Thanks Ken!
RAGIII
Excellent job on the rigging Rick 8)
Alexis
Thanks Alexis!
RAGIII
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Top work, Rick. Clean build and a nice decent weathering. The silver looks great.
Bye Manni
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Great looking model, can't wait to see it finished. Will you make a base for this?
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Top work, Rick. Clean build and a nice decent weathering. The silver looks great.
Bye Manni
Thanks Manni! I appreciate the comments.
RAGIII
Great looking model, can't wait to see it finished. Will you make a base for this?
Thanks Matti. Not sure about a base yet 8)
RAGIII
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What a fantastic model! I really like the weathering. It's so subtle and nicely done. The rigging is also excellent 👌.
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What a fantastic model! I really like the weathering. It's so subtle and nicely done. The rigging is also excellent 👌.
Thanks for the comment!
RAGIII
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This should be the last update before completed photos are posted. I have added all of the rest of the rigging. I have also painted and added the S&M Turnbuckles. A little touch up and final clear coats is all it lacks.
RAGIII
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This is looking quite amazing, Rick, a really clean beautiful build in the end! I do like your weathering effects. This model looks the part though, stunning colour scheme too... and probably unique! You are a mentor to many of us... Regards, Marc.
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It's been a fight but you're the winner Rick. That's another superb model going in your display case. The lower wing problem you had doesn't show at all. It's just a fantastic model of a beautiful biplane in a great colour scheme. Like Monty said, love the weathering!
Richie
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I agree with Monty and Richie Rick: that is an excellent model which is a product of patience and perseverance. I certainly cannot see the lower wing joint, and the weathering is spot on.
Stephen.
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Really looking forward on the final pic's , she is beautiful Rick !
Alexis
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This is looking quite amazing, Rick, a really clean beautiful build in the end! I do like your weathering effects. This model looks the part though, stunning colour scheme too... and probably unique! You are a mentor to many of us... Regards, Marc.
Thanks Marc. This one is anything but clean. Lots of buggered stuff ::) That being said it is one of those Models that I like simply because I overcame some challenges !
RAGIII
It's been a fight but you're the winner Rick. That's another superb model going in your display case. The lower wing problem you had doesn't show at all. It's just a fantastic model of a beautiful biplane in a great colour scheme. Like Monty said, love the weathering!
Richie
The repairs to the wing can be seen I just try not to take closeups ;D Like I said above I am liking this one in spite of it's defects!
RAGIII
I agree with Monty and Richie Rick: that is an excellent model which is a product of patience and perseverance. I certainly cannot see the lower wing joint, and the weathering is spot on.
Stephen.
Thanks Richie.
Thanks Stephen...see the above comments 8)
RAGIII
Really looking forward on the final pic's , she is beautiful Rick !
Alexis
Thanks Alexis. Perhaps Tomorrow 8)
RAGIII
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another one bites the dust...NO not destroyed just finished 8)
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Next up will be photos in the Completed Models section. Thanks to all for following and all of the encouragement!
RAGIII
Completed Models: https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=12238.0