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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Scratch builds => Topic started by: RLWP on March 08, 2021, 11:03:13 PM
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OK, here's hoping this doesn't become another unfinished project...
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RNAS 1214 was built as one of two aeroplanes for the 1914 Gordon Bennet race of 1914, which was cancelled. They were taken into RNAS service alongside standard Tabloids
While she was in France, she got fitted with an unsynchronised Lewis gun on the starboard side of the fuselage firing through a propeller fitted with deflector wedges.
This is where I have got to so far:
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1589.JPG)
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1590.JPG)
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1591.JPG)
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1592.JPG)
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1597.JPG)
Richard
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Hello Richard ,
Very nice start with construction of the fuselage and wings ! Following along :)
Alexis
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Excellent start Richard! It is great to see you back on a project. I will follow closely 8)
RAGIII
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Nice start Richard. The Tabloid was always one my favorites, particularly on floats
I am guessing 1/32 scale judging by the scale along the bottom of your cutting board?
I like the structure of how you are building the fuselage. I wish I had thought of something similar when I started my 1/48 Ponnier D.III
cheers, Graham
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Yes, 1/32. And as this isn't my first scratchbuild, I've already made fuselages in several different ways - I've still not found the perfect way!
Richard
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This will be an interesting project to follow. Have you seen Bob Rahlinger's build of a Tabloid on this site? Yours will make an interesting comparison for building techniques.
Stephen.
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You're off to a fine start, Richard. Will follow with interest.
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Yes, 1/32. And as this isn't my first scratchbuild, I've already made fuselages in several different ways - I've still not found the perfect way!
Seems we are always in search of the Holy Grail but then it's the journey that is always the most interesting part.
cheers, Graham
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Thanks all
A little more progress:
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1598.JPG)
The rear fuselage is scribed 0.010" styrene sitting on a former at the front. The rear is flat where it meets the tailplane
And this is the benefit of the cabane struts being a part of the fuselage sides:
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1599.JPG)
I will be able to use small pins to locate the top wing, the lower wing will either be self supporting, or hang from the upper wing via the struts. Far better than balancing the upper wing on a bunch of small sticks
I've solved the wheels problem after discussion with Costas at Gaspatch. We've both agreed the wheels in the picture of 1214 are probably 700mm Palmer Cords, so I've ordered a set of 3D printed ones from Gaspatch
So far, so good!
Richard
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Very nice start for an interesting subject, Richard
I will follow with interest
er me
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I like your construction methods Richard , simple but yet very effective :)
Alexis
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Nice subject.
Where did you find your framing references?
Cheers,
Hugh
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Nice subject.
Where did you find your framing references?
Cheers,
Hugh
Hi Hugh,
Well... I started with the Tabloid drawing in Windsock datafile 9, added stuff from the illustrations in Flight magazine (December 20, 1913) of the original two seater Tabloid, then made the rest up
There's a difference between the Tabloid and the Gordon Bennet racer because if I offer up a Lewis gun, I cannot get it to align with the framework properly. The picture shows the muzzle attached to the frame behind the engine, and the 'handle' at the back approximately level with the rear 'strut' frame. The Tabloid is longer than that
Still, near enough
Richard
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(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1600.JPG)
The bottom wing has now been cut, the undersides of both wings have been cut through the styrene and balsa leaving just the upper skin. This allows the
outer panels to be positioned to provide the dihedral. The bottom wings are located on 0.8mm brass pins pushed into the balsa core
Also, I've fitted 0.005"skins to the cockpit sides to represent the metal panels. They are embossed to represent the fixing screws, not that it shows in that picture
Richard
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Nice progress Richard, and I like the trestles too!
Willem
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Nice progress Richard, and I like the trestles too!
Willem
Yes, I made them because they look better than balancing the 'plane on paint pots! I have a selection, including one for the bar through the tail of an ME109
Richard
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Excellent progress and impressive work Richard!
RAGIII
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This is progressing nicely, Richard.
I can see the advantages of the cabanes being part of the fuselage structure.
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Thank you Ken, I'm in awe of your 504
I got the tailplane and elevators made last night:
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1601.JPG)
This is about the third different way of doing this I have tried - this is a 0.010"/0.020"/0.010" sandwich, the thin sheets being scribed
If I'd thought about it (or made a plan!) I'd have spotted the fuselage is different to a Pup. The upper longerons on a Pup run right to the sternpost, the tailplane sits on top and there is a sort of streamlined fairing on top of the fuselage. The Tabloid doesn't seem to have this fairing, so the top of the tailplane must be level with the top of the longeron, there being a step in the fuselage. The Pup longerons are easier to make and stronger.
As a result, I had to cut a vee out of two of the layers of the sandwich leaving just an 0.010" piece to hold the tailplane together:
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1602.JPG)
The struts under the tailplane are going to have to do their job properly on this one!
Richard
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It wouldn't have been easier to notch the top of the fuselage and add reinforcements?
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Nice work on the tail planes Richard :)
For the struts are you planning on using some type of metal of added strength ?
Alexis
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Nice work on the tail planes Richard :)
For the struts are you planning on using some type of metal of added strength ?
Alexis
And also because they're easier to make that using styrene, yes
Richard
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This is coming on quickly. I know the problem of finding that it would have been easier to make something a different way if I had planned ahead....but I never seem to learn!
Using a sandwich of plastic card is a good idea - I have used it for wings on occasions - I must remember to keep it in mind for future projects. The trestles look really good - another idea I might have to try out.
Stephen.
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Very nice start and building techmiques, looks promising.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1604.JPG)
This in an area where 1214 differs from a standard Tabloid. The cockpit is a different shape and sits further back. There is also a headrest with a fairing and a panel behind the cockpit. A Tabloid is much simpler here
On the other hand, the panel over the fuel tank is simpler than the Tabloid being a simple arc. The top of the arc stands higher than the Tabloid, so I suspect the racer was equipped with a larger fuel tank. The difference can be seen in the rear three quarter view in the Tabloid datafile
I bought a seat rather than try to make one. I was temped to have a go but fortunately thought better of it. And the Barracuda one is lovely
Richard
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Nice work on construction the cockpit opening and decking :)
Alexis
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Your results to date are terrific Richard. You make this look easy but I know it takes skill!
RAGIII
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Your results to date are terrific Richard. You make this look easy but I know it takes skill!
RAGIII
Skill gained from years of getting it wrong...
Richard
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That looks super. Your decision to use a Barracuda seat was a good one - they are indeed excellent and that has saved you a lot of frustration I am sure.
Stephen.
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(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1605.JPG)
Two front cowls, because the white one was wrong - it didn't match the panel over the fuel tank. I shall cut these up, use the black one to make the top of the engine cowling and the white one to make the bottom
This is going to need a lot of fiddling around to get to fit, it's a good starting point
Richard
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Looking forward on seeing the outcome of the cowl :)
Alexis
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Looking forward on seeing the outcome of the cowl :)
Alexis
You and me both, Alexis!
So far, it looks like this:
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1606.JPG)
The top profile wasn't quite right, I'm hoping I can rectify it by extending the upper surface in white 0.010" styrene. It's looking possible at the moment
And I've made the struts:
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1607.JPG)
These are squashed brass tube with a piece of copper wire down the middle to make the locating pins (put the wire in before you squash the tube!)
I notice this view shows the shadow of the balsa core in the upper wing
Richard
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Looks like that cowling will work, and the struts are bomb-proof. :)
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This is certainly progressing quickly. The struts looks very good - I have thoght about using the idea but used wood instead. The cowling looks as though it will work too - fingers crossed!
Stephen.
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It's a bit ugly at the moment, but going in the right direction:
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1608.JPG)
Richard
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Impressive updates Richard. It may be rough to you but to me it looks like a Tabloid!
RAGIII
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But does it look like a Gordon Bennett Tabloid racer??
;D
Fettling continues on the cowl, and there is progress on the chassis legs:
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1610.JPG)
Richard
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Rick , as soon as Richard adds the racing stripe it should be easier to tell ;)
Cowl is shaping up awesome Richard and those are some heavy duty legs , perfekt for add strength ! :)
Alexis
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Actually, I make the struts and legs from brass tube because it is easy, rather than making them from styrene.
I recently had to make a set of cabane struts for a Fokker F1 (my mistake, I accidentally used the cabane struts as the legs), and I cut them out of sheet. That was the easy part - the hard part was profiling the edges on a fragile bit of plastic
The struts are squashed tube with a bit of wire up the middle. I then filed the end off at an angle. The legs are the same, soldered together
Richard
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The gear struts look great. You are making terrific progress on your Tabloid!
RAGIII
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The u/c legs look good. It is an idea that I must try when I build my next large scale project as plastic and wood are not very strong with these huge models.
Stephen.
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The u/c legs look good. It is an idea that I must try when I build my next large scale project as plastic and wood are not very strong with these huge models.
Stephen.
A Tabloid isn't that huge! ;D
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1612.JPG)
There's quite a bit of guesswork here. The 3/4 front picture of 1214 shows an axle fairing similar to a Pup or Camel, only with a tensioning wire below. What I've done is my best interpretation of that
Richard
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She does look good on her legs and the axle spreader looks good as well .
Alexis
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Should you ever feel the desire to build a 1914 Sopwith Gordon Bennett racer, I'd strongly recommend you don't copy what I'm doing here...
This is largely a work of imagination, based on the Tabloid drawings in Flight Magazine, what was fitted to a Sopwith Pup, bits I have and little else*.
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1618.JPG)
It'll fill the cockpit, so that's good enough. The rest of the stick, the rudder bar and a few bits and bobs to go
Richard
*Good old Little Else, my faithful companion
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(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1619.JPG)
Control column and foot support, as used on the two seat Tabloid. Fore and aft movement of the stick operated the upper rod, which moved the elevators via a bell crank. Moving the column side to side rotates the bottom rod, there's a lever at the rear that connects to the warping wires (no ailerons). It doesn't look like the wheel turned, the rudder was operated by the - erm - rudder bar
It is interesting how flying controls developed over the years
Richard
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Nice job on the innards , column looks great !
Alexis
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Nice job on the innards , column looks great !
Alexis
Thank you, I'm pleased with it. The rudder bar is a bit of a puzzle, I can't do what the 2 seater tabloid did because the cockpit has been moved back. Best bet is probably copy a Pup
Richard
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Nice work on those interior details. It will look good with some paint on them.
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Nice work on those interior details. It will look good with some paint on them.
Indeed!
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1622.JPG)
Richard
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That was quick work ! Cockpit looks really nice with paint on the parts . Can't help notice how far the rudder bar is from the seat and such .....pilot would have to have long legs !
Alexis
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That was quick work ! Cockpit looks really nice with paint on the parts . Can't help notice how far the rudder bar is from the seat and such .....pilot would have to have long legs !
Alexis
Damn - I should probably move that
Richard
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Changed my mind - the rudder bar is staying put. Anyone peering into the cockpit and spotting that is entitled to point it out
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1624.JPG)
Those Airscale dials and bezels are really beautiful
Dials: https://airscale.co.uk/store.html#!/1-32-scale-WW1-Cockpit-Decals/p/39176429/category=9842271 (https://airscale.co.uk/store.html#!/1-32-scale-WW1-Cockpit-Decals/p/39176429/category=9842271)
Bezels: https://airscale.co.uk/store.html#!/1-32-scale-Instrument-Bezels/p/37644496/category=9842259 (https://airscale.co.uk/store.html#!/1-32-scale-Instrument-Bezels/p/37644496/category=9842259)
Richard
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Good progress on this one Richard. With reference to Little Else and guesswork as to what was put in where, you do have the advantage that the cockpit will be largely concealed from prying eyes, and that it is highly unlikely that a former pilot will come along to tell you that something is missing or in the wrong place..! I have had to use some guesswork on my skeletal DH 1A but I am sure that nobody will notice that I made up at least some of the cockpit details!
Your cockpit looks very good - I do like the control column and instrument panel - both are excellent. The Airscale instrument face transfers and bezels really are useful for models in this enormous scale.
Stephen.
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You're right, Stephen - what goes on in the recesses of the cockpit are largely hidden. Just as well, otherwise I'd be obsessing over the fuel and ignition systems on the back of the Gnome!
And the cockpit is unlikely to be the interesting feature of this build, the outside is much more likely to attract attention
Richard
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So the pilot has long legs , cool !
Nice work on the gauges Richard :) By the time you are done with the build all you will have to do is add fuel to the tank and take her for a test flight ;) Really ennjoying your build so far :)
Alexis
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So the pilot has long legs , cool !
Nice work on the gauges Richard :) By the time you are done with the build all you will have to do is add fuel to the tank and take her for a test flight ;) Really ennjoying your build so far :)
Alexis
Not sure about a test flight, what I do find fascinating is how light scratchbuilt aeroplanes are. They sit in your hand like a delicate bird
Richard
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They sure do weigh in a lot less , I still can't believe how light the FE-8 I did many years agos is the lightest in my collection , even lighter then the vac kit's I've done .
Alexis
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Your interior looks excellent Richard. Although some guesswork was involved it is certainly believable! It May be a "Light weight" but it is certainly not a Lightweight build 8)
RAGIII
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That cowling/upper fuselage/turtledeck thing is now stuck down:
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1625.JPG)
It's coming together!
Richard
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yes, coming together nicely!
Is this the same cowling shown earlier? looks good.
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My , My that is pulling together extremely well Richard . The cut outs in the cowl remind me of those old heat vents in my Grandma's house :)
Looking forward to your next up-date which I hope some colour will be applied ....yes I'm getting a little in patience ::)
Alexis
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That is very impressive indeed. This is turning into a first class scratch build.
Stephen.
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My , My that is pulling together extremely well Richard . The cut outs in the cowl remind me of those old heat vents in my Grandma's house :)
Looking forward to your next up-date which I hope some colour will be applied ....yes I'm getting a little in patience ::)
Alexis
Oh, go on then.
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1626.JPG)
Richard
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You are getting there Richard, and I think those difficult to make convex shaped are done beautifully!
Willem
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Thank you
Rib tapes:
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1627.JPG)
Which is worse - rib tapes, or whoever at Sopwith fitted 1214 with tapes a lighter colour than the wings?
Richard
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Hi Richard ,
I would do the tapes a darker shade then rest of the wing . With the wing rib and doubling up the fabric with the tapes ...this would be darker . :-\
Alexis , who is happy to see colour ! ;)
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Hi Richard ,
I would do the tapes a darker shade then rest of the wing . With the wing rib and doubling up the fabric with the tapes ...this would be darker . :-\
So would I - only I have two pictures of 1214 with light coloured tapes so I'm stuck with stripy wings
Richard
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Lovely work. It really is an elegant aircraft. :)
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Thank you.
OK, Alexis - you asked for colour:
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1628.JPG)
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1629.JPG)
Richard
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And that is some nice colour indeed ! ;)
Alexis
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Gorgeous interiors. Great work on fuselage and wings.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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And that is some nice colour indeed ! ;)
Alexis
Glad you like them, next job is to paint them out! ;D
Richard
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And that is some nice colour indeed ! ;)
Alexis
Glad you like them, next job is to paint them out! ;D
Richard
Looking forward to it :)
Alexis
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It seems I have missed a bit Richard. The fuselage construction and painting really turned out well. Superb work! The wings are taking shape and look great even with the "Stripey" tapes. I am looking forward to your next update!
RAGIII
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Well, I'm not sure this has worked:
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1630.JPG)
These have though:
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1631.JPG)
I'll tidy them up when they have hardened
Richard
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Hi Richard, I have a bit of catching up to do after a lengthy break but glad I looked this build up. It's looking superb and seems to be coming together very quickly. Very inspiring stuff!
Richie
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She's now got an identity, and bits stuck on permanently
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1632.JPG)
The fictional cockpit has gained a spurious lap belt:
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1634.JPG)
Richard
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This is getting better and better Richard.
How did you make that beautiful "spurious lap belt"? It looks like the real thing, only shrunken to 1/32 scale!
Willem
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This is getting better and better Richard.
How did you make that beautiful "spurious lap belt"? It looks like the real thing, only shrunken to 1/32 scale!
Willem
I painted some paper in brown and that green colour. Cut a strip out of the green and some rectangles out of the brown. One of the brown bits I cut notches in the end to make the tags, then stabbed them with a pin to make the holes. Then I stuck the brown bits onto the straps.
The rings are some thin wire wrapped around a square bit of styrene, then cut and stuck on.
I think there are two parts to the illusion here. One is the brown wash that gives the 'leather' colour. The other is something to do with seeing what you expect to see.
I can show the steps in making it if you want, it didn't take long
Richard
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I can show the steps in making it if you want, it didn't take long
Yes please!
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Just gets better and better with ever update ! Love those seatbelts :) They look functional !
Alexis
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This is really taking shape now. The Markings look great. Your belts certainly do the trick! I am looking forward to More!
RAGIII
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Looking excellent, Richard. Great smoke and mirrors. ;)
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Looking excellent, Richard. Great smoke and mirrors. ;)
Absolutely!
I've got an opening for a magician's assistant if you fancy it. There's a spangled leotard and everything
Richard
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It's a trap Ken !!!!
Alexis
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It's a trap Ken !!!!
Alexis
What do you mean !?!
Richard
Take no notice of that girl sawn in half - you can't get the staff you know...
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I am pleased to read that I am not the only one around here who makes use of smoke and mirrors. However my modelling illusions are not as good as yours - those belts look better than any AM parts. Please show us how.
Stephen.
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I am pleased to read that I am not the only one around here who makes use of smoke and mirrors. However my modelling illusions are not as good as yours - those belts look better than any AM parts. Please show us how.
Stephen.
OK, but you'll be disillusioned - a magician isn't supposed to reveal their tricks. I'll be chucked out of the Magic Circle
This is what the belt should probably have looked like. I'm not going to replicate this accurately, just give an idea of how I would go about it:
(https://p1.liveauctioneers.com/1022/56079/27391109_1_x.jpg)
A piece of scrap paper, painted:
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1635.JPG)
and cut into strips:
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1636.JPG)
One end has the holes in, I stabbed these through with a pointed tool (out of a drawing set):
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1637.JPG)
To make the loops on the other end of the belt, I used a bit of scrap styrene and copper wire:
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1638.JPG)
Wrap the wire around the styrene:
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1639.JPG)
and cut the loops with a scalpel:
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1640.JPG)
These are the parts I need:
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1641.JPG)
I glued them into a folded bit of painted paper:
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1642.JPG)
The tongues are pieces of thin wire stuck into holes pierced in the belt:
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1643.JPG)
Then the ends are stuck onto the rest of the belt, and a leather loop added (more paper). The copper wire is painted silver:
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1644.JPG)
And with a couple of washes of brown:
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1645.JPG)
The proportions are a bit out, I should have used thinner styrene to form the loop and I think the leather parts are too wide. Likewise the canvas is too narrow. Hopefully, you get the idea
Does that help at all?
Richard
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Yes, it does!
Thanks for sharing this and I won't rat you out to the Magic Circle.... :-X
Willem
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Will I have to wear a tutu?
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Fantastic, love the lap belts. Thanks for sharing your technique, I'll give that a try soon. Will have a good read through the whole thread later and see what other gems I can pick up.
Richie
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Will I have to wear a tutu?
If you want to
Richard
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I'm pretty sure I would look faaaaar better in it then Ken ;)
I would also rat you out for a banana split ( soft server please ) , just so you know ;)
Alexis
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Thanks for the detailed photos of your seatbelt process. Wrapping the wire around the square styrene strip will certainly make My life easier in the future.
RAGIII
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Rigging! I like rigging:
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1647.JPG)
A single bay wing warping biplane must be about the easiest to do, although I did have to do the pair on the front cabane struts as I had pulled them out of square
I have a few lines still to do
Richard
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She looks super with the top wing finally in place ! You are getting close on wrapping this one up Richard and I look forward to rest of the rigging ;)
Alexis , enjoying a banana split :)
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I'm a bit in awe of this Richard, not only are the wings beautifully made, you've even put them on started rigging. My mind is doing a tail spin it may not recover from! Joking aside, seriously impressive stuff Richard, I'm going to have a good read through the whole thread later and take some notes. Hugely impressive.
Richie
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Alexis - 'I'm pretty sure I would look faaaaar better in it then Ken ;)'
No doubt.
Richard - After careful consideration, I have decided to pass on your exciting opportunity, but hope you will consider me for future opportunities. ::)
That's as politically correct as I can be.
This project is really coming together nicely, Richard.
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Richard - After careful consideration, I have decided to pass on your exciting opportunity, but hope you will consider me for future opportunities. ::)
That's as politically correct as I can be.
Well, at least it wasn't a reply ending in off! ;D
Richard
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All I can say is this is looking Brilliant! Your progress is amazingly quick with No Loss of quality!
RAGIII
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All I can say is this is looking Brilliant! Your progress is amazingly quick with No Loss of quality!
RAGIII
Thank you. And I've said this before, scratchbuilding is relatively quick.
Richard
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The chassis is attached:
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1648.JPG)
And for the benefit of RichieW, to be honest, things are far from right in this area. Somehow, things have got rather out of square. I'll do better next time (perhaps)
Richard
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Really nice job on that rigging Richard ! She is going to look super once the engine is installed :)
Alexis
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The chassis is attached:
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1648.JPG)
And for the benefit of RichieW, to be honest, things are far from right in this area. Somehow, things have got rather out of square. I'll do better next time (perhaps)
Richard
Many thanks Richard, that's a valuable lesson. Even if it is a little out of square it looks beautiful. I had a careful read through the whole thread yesterday, very inspiring stuff. Very much enjoying the build. :)
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This is looking superb, Richard! Some great and inspirational work! ( I can't see any out of square faults, btw....) Regards, Marc.
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I have missed a few days so first: thanks for the info on the seat belts. Simple but very effective indeed - filed for future reference......
The near finished model is super - like Monty I cannot see any off-square joints/units either and I suspect that most other viewers will not do so. Excellent example of scratch building.
Last: scratch building may be relatively quick for you, but for some lesser mortals I can assure you it is not. And if you do not believe me just look at the time for some of my threads...
Stephen.
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Marc and Stephen - that's because I don't post images that show them ;D
These are the lovely Gaspatch Palmer Cord wheels:
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1650.JPG)
Aren't they lovely?
And now, prompted by that Ken bloke (Kensar), I thought it was time to get serious with my watchmakers lathe:
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1651.JPG)
On the Tabloid, the barrels and heads are prominent, the crankcase isn't so that's going to be very simple. The rockers will come from leftovers from a WNW Gnome Lambda
Richard
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Neat milling work !
Alexis
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Neat milling work !
Alexis
They are tiny! There are four fins per millimetre
Making the tool was a huge challenge
Richard
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Wow Richard, those cylinders look great. Some incredibly precise work to make those cooling fins. Very impressive stuff!
Richie
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Going to add a cylinder for a little more power?
Everything's coming together for an excellent result! Your landing gear assembly looks great.
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Going to add a cylinder for a little more power?
Everything's coming together for an excellent result! Your landing gear assembly looks great.
Oh Ken, you know exactly why there's an extra cylinder!
There were two extra, I was expecting a higher attrition rate during the turning. I got lucky
Richard
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That is some extremely impressive turning there Richard. I take my hat off to anyone who could do that.
Stephen.
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Neat milling work !
Alexis
They are tiny! There are four fins per millimetre
Making the tool was a huge challenge
Richard
Are you referring to the cutting tool ?
Alexis
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Are you referring to the cutting tool ?
Alexis
Yes. I made a cutting tool for the lathe to turn the slots between the fins. From memory, the tool is 0.13mm wide at the tip
Richard
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Those cylinders look amazing as does the rest of the model!
RAGIII
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Oh calamity! The Tabloid has taken the Dive of Death off the table
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1655.JPG)
It's mostly the chassis that has taken a hit, although the top wing has also got out of square. A trip to the rigging shop is in order
Richard
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Arghh! Nothing that a skilled mechanic can't fix but what a shame. It was all going so amazingly well. Possibly so well that the Gods of modelling decided to test your faith.
Richie
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What a bummer Richard , glad that the damage isn't all that bad . Looks like it should be an easy repair . Looks like the spoke wheels held up really well ...
Alexis
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Minor repair needed.
Sack those responsible!
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I say, someone's pranged the Tabloid!
Richard
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Blast!! or even something completely unprintable....! That is what I dread when a model nears completion. Good luck with the repairs - I am sure nobody will notice when they are done.
Stephen.
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Blast!! or even something completely unprintable....! That is what I dread when a model nears completion. Good luck with the repairs - I am sure nobody will notice when they are done.
Stephen.
The chassis is dismantled, I'm just making a new fairing.
And I have trued up the top wing. I use invisible thread with brass tubing (a la Bobs Buckles) for rigging, and the thread actually pulls the wing around. One of the diagonals on the cabane struts had broken, once I replaced it everything went back square
Just like rigging a biplane I guess
Richard
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Coming together again now:
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1656.JPG)
Richard
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Jolly good show!
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OK, I'm back on course, and considering contemporary armament:
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1657.JPG)
Richard
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Amazing recovery Richard! It seems the rigging worked in holding things "Mostly" in place 8) The fire arm looks amazing!
RAGIII
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Good to the Tabloid back on her feet Richard. Did you scratch that beautiful rifle too?
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Thank you both.
No, the Lee Enfield SMLE is from Scalelink: https://www.scalelink.co.uk/acatalog/Army_Equipment.html (https://www.scalelink.co.uk/acatalog/Army_Equipment.html). They have quite a bit of 1:32 stuff
Richard
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Super armnament and horn on the gramaphone. What will the pilot be listening to: "Keep the Home Fires Burning?"
Stephen.
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Just had a look at that link Richard, thanks, some excellent stuff available there!
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Super armnament and horn on the gramaphone. What will the pilot be listening to: "Keep the Home Fires Burning?"
Stephen.
I thought maybe the St Louis Blues, or the Darktown Poker Club
Richard
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Most excellent Richard and nice touch with the accessories :)
Alexis
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Good News! I've finished the 7 cylinder Gnome:
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1658.JPG)
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1659.JPG)
Bad News!
It's the wrong flamin' engine!
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1a/50/a4/1a50a48b44b9833f26efa9bc8cad429e.jpg)
That's clearly got a pushrod on the front attached to a lever arm - It's a LeRhone!!
So, the Gnome goes into stock, and I find a LeRhone. I think I've got a Vector one somewhere
Richard
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OK, I need a few more pairs of eyes on this:
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1a/50/a4/1a50a48b44b9833f26efa9bc8cad429e.jpg)
I think that is a LeRhone 9C nine cylinder rotary engine. But:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/Air_Zoo_December_2019_041_%28Le_Rh%C3%B4ne_9C%29.jpg/1024px-Air_Zoo_December_2019_041_%28Le_Rh%C3%B4ne_9C%29.jpg)
The air inlets are on the wrong side, and the rocker lever for the valves is the wrong way around. Either I've identified the wrong engine, or the print is back to front
Help!
Richard
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It all looks correct to me - a 9C. Pipes and pushrods are correct.
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https://thevintageaviator.co.nz/project/le-rh%C3%B4ne-9j-engine
What a shame about the beautiful Gnome you made. Does the above link of a Le Rhone 9j help at all?
Richie
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Thanks both. I agree, it’s a 9c (pushrods on the front, the 9j has them on the back).
I’m going to use a 9c from a Special Hobby Morane Saulnier N
Richard
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Beautiful work all along Richard, I need a new notebook....
Willem
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Lovely work, Richard! I especially love the rifle- and the rope trick! Pity about the engine - but the MS engine will be just fine! Regards, Marc.
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I guess you will have to scratch build another Aircraft around your gorgeous Engine! I am sure you will make that SH engine look great in your Tabloid 8)
RAGIII
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An early Gnome has plenty of applications
Nearly there now:
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1660.JPG)
Richard
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Your Gnome engine looks as good as a WNW offering - you will certainly have to follow Rick's suggestion and build another model around it. Good work with the le Rhone but it can barely be seen!
Stephen.
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Your Gnome engine looks as good as a WNW offering - you will certainly have to follow Rick's suggestion and build another model around it. Good work with the le Rhone but it can barely be seen!
Stephen.
It makes a great home for the Special Hobby LeRhone - it's not one of the best, especially the air tubes
Richard
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I like the way you quickly deal with any setbacks and come up trumps. It really is looking very good. I have been sanding and filling my scout wings today and can't help but notice how beautifully made your wings are.
Richie
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I like the way you quickly deal with any setbacks and come up trumps. It really is looking very good. I have been sanding and filling my scout wings today and can't help but notice how beautifully made your wings are.
Richie
Ohh, the heartache and fuss I had when filling my Morane Saulnier wings...
Like most things, you learn what pitfalls to avoid by falling into them in the first place!
Richard
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The engine and all else looks amazing Richard! I am certainly in awe of your skills!
RAGIII
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Power plant looks awesome in place , even though not much can be seen it still draws you in . Well done :)
Alexis
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And she's finished!
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1670.JPG)
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1679.JPG)
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1681.JPG)
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1678.JPG)
(https://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/gordon-bennett/DSCF1676.JPG)
Richard
And today's word is 'Bessonneau'
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Fantastic looking model - well done Richard!
Cheers,
Gary
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Fantastic Richard, it's been a pleasure to follow your build. She looks a beauty.
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Outstanding results Richard. Another Beautiful scratch build completed. Well DOne!
RAGIII
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That is gobsmackingly good! Super details and a very interesting and informative build log. Another jewel to add to your collection.
Stephen.
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Fantastic work, Richard. This is a model you could be very proud of. Every detail fits perfectly.
Chapeau, Manni