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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: Gisbod on March 03, 2021, 11:40:36 PM
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Hi all,
While I wait on some stencil decals for my Tamiya Spitfire I thought I’d delve into this old kit. Although I may say it’s rather impressed me with it’s level of detail - lot’s of PE & resin to play with! Let’s hope I can get it over there the finish line without it having to go in the bin!
I have seen Frank & Bud’s builds - don’t expect the same level of detail!
Guy
(https://i.postimg.cc/L6fsnqPC/38-BDE2-EB-54-DF-44-D8-A953-23-ADB4-C3-C21-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/D8vhNwBL)
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I am looking forward to this one! I am sure you will do the kit justice as you always do!!
RAGIII
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Hmm, you mentioned my build - this was great fun last year!
So I will watch of course to what you are doing with this kit.
Cheers,
Frank
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Ooooo , following along on this one Guy !
I built this kit 10 years ago , their first boxing with didn't have the resin items . This is their second boxing with up-date tooling , more PE and resin items ( I have this one too ) . It is a really nice actually and if I remember no fit issues with it .
Alexis
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Double pleasure to see this one being built, following along.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Nice to know it’s a popular build! Thanks for following along.
Don’t get your hopes up though, I don’t think I’ll be adding anything that isn’t in the kit. Just a nice simple, clean build hopefully.
Ooooo , following along on this one Guy !
I built this kit 10 years ago , their first boxing with didn't have the resin items . This is their second boxing with up-date tooling , more PE and resin items ( I have this one too ) . It is a really nice actually and if I remember no fit issues with it .
Alexis
Good to know Alexis! I don’t know the history, but maybe one of the first ‘Profipack’ boxings?
Hmm, you mentioned my build - this was great fun last year!
So I will watch of course to what you are doing with this kit.
Cheers,
Frank
Yours is a beauty Frank, but reading the thread made me feel dizzy...
One thing I do have up my sleeve is a set of paint masks ;) I’ll do my best Fredrik.
I have made a start on the cockpit...
(https://i.postimg.cc/J7Snr3sH/4-B57-B54-E-B1-DD-4030-80-E1-929-E302-D3447.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/nMYZTDYn)
(https://i.postimg.cc/BZjbf7nG/EBA29-E0-C-AB8-A-44-D4-902-B-CC89739-EB94-C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/nMtpvkmd)
Guy
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Yours is a beauty Frank, but reading the thread made me feel dizzy...
To read this thread would avoid mistakes like this (this hint is from WNW web site):
(http://www.wingnutwings.com/ww/vFA3EFA01/www/products/model_kitsets/32607/hints_and_tips/No%20wicker%20Seat.jpg)
It is often very useful, to check the WNW page and manual, if the type was available by them.
That's why I made a new seat from alu and wood.
Hope it is not to late ...
Cheers,
Frank
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Looking good. I remember a discussion from somewhere, perhaps here, about the Brits being able to "Purchase" wicker seats even if the Aircraft had another type ::)
RAGIII
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Thanks Frank,
I did however point out it won’t be to your standards! I have read your thread through and the detail is insane. The model itself is really quite small and I can’t even see that the seat has a wicker effect unless I get a magnifying glass out.
I hate to sound so slapdash, but my new mantra is to only detail bits I can see with the naked eye. That doesn’t mean I don’t care, I really will make a great effort to finish it cleanly.
I’m going for this option:
(https://i.postimg.cc/TwQjD7W9/D045455-C-15-AD-4977-B3-CB-EB1-C50-C5-DFDE.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9RRq3BbR)
Guy
Looking good. I remember a discussion from somewhere, perhaps here, about the Brits being able to "Purchase" wicker seats even if the Aircraft had another type ::)
RAGIII
Ps Thanks Rick, I don’t feel so bad now! ;D
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Ooooo , following along on this one Guy !
I built this kit 10 years ago , their first boxing with didn't have the resin items . This is their second boxing with up-date tooling , more PE and resin items ( I have this one too ) . It is a really nice actually and if I remember no fit issues with it .
Alexis
So did I! But a lot longer then 10 years ago. Built up very nicely for its age. I too have the newer boxing stored away somewhere... But the WNW version is also calling me.
Cheers,
Hugh
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One thing I do have up my sleeve is a set of paint masks ;) I’ll do my best Fredrik.
No one expects more than your best effort! Looking forward to each step in amazement over your speed and quality.
/Fredrik
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Thanks Hugh and Fredrik,
Tiny update - instrument panel. You can see the flaws in macro mode, but it does look quite nice at a distance! Tbf it’s teeny tiny! ???
I’ve been playing with the cockpit fitting into the fuselage and it seems very vague here. The instructions show it fixed to the floor - but this leaves it way too low, so I can’t really see what it actually attaches to - just sandwiched between the two halves I guess?
Guy
(https://i.postimg.cc/SxSXvwD7/606-D603-E-6-F17-4-C8-C-8-FCA-650-EFED1668-C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bs5NGFXs)
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I seem to have pushed on this morning and she’s closed up! ;D
Cockpit complete, Frank - look away now :o
(https://i.postimg.cc/6QxPKf40/1811-D77-C-7572-487-F-81-BE-982830817-A3-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4YwPbt57)
I need a trip to Alexis’ nail salon... ::)
(https://i.postimg.cc/JzkFS200/4-EE82-F6-A-2-ADD-46-A9-8542-073-CA199651-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/nXnTDTvf)
Closed...
(https://i.postimg.cc/vHjjqsQC/45-E3-AF3-C-CC1-C-44-CB-B795-7-A70-FEC3254-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WhGXzxq7)
I just squashed the cockpit tub in when I closed up, and it seems to have worked...
Guy
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Very crisp front office there. 8)
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Really nice out come with the pit Guy :)
Detail what you feel is right for you . I don't detail ever build I do and there is nothing wrong with that :)
The first boxing is light grey plastic , very hard , doesn't sand easily . Limited run style , lot's of clean up ! Much smaller box !
It comes with a small PE set , nothing like what is in the second boxing which is 3 times more ! Can't recall how many decal options there was but something tells me 2 .
If you would like different markings for this . I have Pheon's 1/48 set ;)
Alexis
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Thanks Ken,
And thanks Alexis, that’s a very kind offer, but I have got paint masks made up for this in the intended colour scheme :D
Interesting about the different boxing’s too ;)
Guy
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In My opinion the IP looks great, especially for the scale! Moving along nicely and I Like your choice of scheme!
RAGIII
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Thanks Rick ;)
Always nice to have you following ;)
So with the fuselage together I’m trying to avoid my age old issue of ghost seams appearing at a later date ??? I’m reasonably confident the top will be ok, but those flat surface joins on the bottom are my Achille’s heel! So this time, to save me heartache, I’m cheating with my ‘Dr. Gisbod’s invisible joint system’ (*patent applied for) :) just very thin plasticard stuck on. Really works!
(https://i.postimg.cc/MH7sWdvw/D72642-FA-60-CE-44-E1-9-EEC-5-D0785-F9-CA30.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1Vz0B0G7)
Looking a little bit like a Triplane now, the old style tailpane looks enormous! There’s a later resin version with the kit for some of the other schemes (mine was quite warped).
(https://i.postimg.cc/zDK2SXpQ/310-C0959-A556-47-F9-BCC8-296-C23-D99638.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7bPNq4F1)
Guy
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Moving forward nicely Guy !
Alexis
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Thanks Alexis, :)
Bit further on,
I finished the (resin) engine... bit of a half hearted attempt if I’m being honest, but again, looks ok at viewing distance.
(https://i.postimg.cc/cCz5krgg/4-AE5856-C-8739-4950-8638-EC34-E59-A6594.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dZ8BLQ9w)
I’m drilling the rigging holes - All are usefully marked with a small indentation - with the exception of the holes that allow the rigging to run through the centre wings. If they’re not exact, then there’ll be a change of angle in the rigging as it passes through. I can’t really work out how I can place these with any precision. If I guesstimate then they’ll be off for sure!
Finally, there’s a lot of PE that gets glued to external areas of the aircraft. I just know these will get knocked off/ pulled off (masking) after painting which will give me a real headache :-[
Any ideas to help?
Guy
Ps I’ve looked at the Wingnut rigging diagram - but that’s no help (although it does show a load more rigging than the Eduard instructions!) ???
Pps I’ve just realised I’ve placed the cowling slightly askew - the air holes at the base should be offset from the central line ::) mine are centralised...
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I don't have a complete answer to your questions. I looked at the WNW site and if you go to the Model photos rather than the directions the sprues are shown in two photos. One from above and one of the unders. This should at least give you a hint as to where WNW located their openings. IHTH,
RAGIII
PS: Your work to date looks terrific!
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Thanks Rick,
I hadn’t thought of that, as you say, will at least get me in the ballpark!
Guy
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I agree with Rick, the WNW site is a wonderfull information source. I'm glad it's still online.
The instrument panel looks great. Beautifully detailed in this scale!
Willem
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If I remember right the hole indications provided by Eduard were correct.
Cheers,
Frank
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Coming together very nicely. I recall many years ago when I built a 1/6 scale flying model of a Sopwith Pup and one of my club members telling me he thought my horizontal stab and elevators were over scale... no, they’re just bloody huge on a Pup/Tripe!
Cheers,
Hugh
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If I remember right the hole indications provided by Eduard were correct.
Cheers,
Frank
I haven’t got any for these holes Frank! There are for all the others - just not the ones that pass through the centre wing..
Thanks Hugh, yes, it does look out of proportion!
Guy
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Actually,
This could be very useful... (@copyright Bughunter)
(https://i.postimg.cc/NGPJcJb1/4734-BA60-65-E2-4213-A0-DC-4340-ED29-C3-E9.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/6TnLVhk3)
Guy ;)
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After all that, I have found some indentations after all ???
But only looking under a microscope! I was trying to match up Frank’s holes with my wing, but to be fair, they were all but invisible!
Anyway, I really must try harder ::)
Guy
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So,
With the Spitfire finished, I’m turning back to the Triplane. Not much more to show really, but all rigging holes drilled and a few pins added for strength. One thing I learned from my Fokker D.VII, things like undercarriages/ struts have to be pinned/ reinforced for a stress free(er) build.
One thing I would like advice on is the PE that gets affixed externally. Should I stick it in place pre painting (bound to get knocked off) or add it at the end (bound to get glue everywhere) ???
The big PE stitching along the fuselage fills me with dread... especially as I’m masking & painting the markings :-\
Guy
(https://i.postimg.cc/jjWv838S/E42-BD33-D-5-D66-4-C12-B2-FA-BE901-CA58124.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5HVwygdh)
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Making quick work on this one Guy , looking good by the way ;)
As for the PE parts on adding them now or after is up to you . But I haven't had any issues with PE lifting off form masking with larger PE items such as stitching , panels etc . Smaller items like brackets I will paint these and add them later after the paint and decals . Once clear coats are on the clear coat will help seal them in .
Alexis
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Thanks Alexis ;)
That’s helpful. Yes, I think I’ll do that, bigger bits on now and small strut brackets later.
Guy
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Looking great! I would agree with Alexis, at least for the stitching. I think it would be very difficult to add after painting. For what it is worth I masked over the PE stitching on the Roden DR1 and the Decal/resin stitching on the RFC SPAD. I brushed a coat of future over them after gluing them in place. I don't know if that helped or not ::)
RAGIII
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Thanks Rick,
I might do that, should get in all the nooks and crannies! Primer will help too.
Guy
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Morning all,
Primer & paint coming along. I sprayed the undersides in a white primer then masked up the ribs with the intention of them being lighter than the bleached linen, but when I peeled them off, they seem darker! I obviously didn’t do enough coats of white primer, so the grey plastic must have been showing through. Looks ok, but not what was intended!
The top sides got a light grey primer. Just really because the MRP paints are fairly translucent and it would probably require more coats again to cover the white with the PC12 (MRP do that too ;) ).
Anyway, shades of linen aside, I’m on track and where I want to be so far (kiss of death I know :P ).
Guy
(https://i.postimg.cc/wxSq6zwQ/63-E71-EC3-6-A90-4-FB1-B893-2558-C9789232.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/14rhHkh8)
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Wonderful to the date and built at light speed. Great tip to deal with ghost seam lines, I will try with my next projects.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Might need to mask and spray again if you want to lighten up those rib tapes... I wouldn’t worry so much my self.
Looking real nice.
Cheers,
Hugh
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I like it Guy ,
Once the CDL is sprayed over the white it will tie it in even better . Did you use a gloss white for the underside ?
Flat base paints will cover better requiring less coats of paint giving better coverage ;)
Alexis
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I like Guy
Alexis
Thanks Alexis, I like you too :-*
That’s a shot post CDL Alexis, so that’s the final look, I’ll know better for next time..
I’ve sprayed the PC12 and it’s a luxurious looking velvety chocolate! Yum
Guy
(https://i.postimg.cc/x8KM6Rsk/2014-AF4-E-D5-A0-4-BE3-918-A-0-E01464-B455-F.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8fz75hgD)
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The PC 12 looks perfect Guy! I also like the CDL, JMHO.
RAGIII
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My apologies Guy .... I meet too say ... I like it ::) Not enough morning coffee yet , I'm working on it though ;)
Alexis
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Looking the right chocolate brown. Looking forward to riggings.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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built at light speed.
:o Exactly!
I used also the MRP PC12, but on white primer. I do not get this lovely chocolate, may be some layers more needed.
Cheers,
Frank
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Nice work, Guy. Does look like chocolate.
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Thanks,
Managed to finish off the masked markings this evening, no major dramas for a change!
(https://i.postimg.cc/rp104Jpz/692385-B2-25-A0-4-C7-D-BBA4-2-D2-DE94450-FA.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Ny0jqRmw)
Frank - I did do it over grey and not white, but it only took one session - it does look a deep colour!
Guy
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Even better than terrific with the markings sprayed! Glad to hear nothing lifted or broke 8)
RAGIII
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Thanks Rick,
Forgot to add this photo:
(https://i.postimg.cc/43kHnMsr/FA3-C03-ED-6846-4-D26-AA14-A8-FC7-AEBA6-EB.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0znyBV6f)
Guy
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Did you cut your masks by hand Guy?
Looks very nice.
CHeers,
Hugh
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Even More excellence!
RAGIII
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Did you cut your masks by hand Guy?
Looks very nice.
CHeers,
Hugh
FAf did them for me :)
Guy
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Even More excellence!
RAGIII
Second this
Alexis
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third that! 8)
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Great work with everything! Glad to see some trouble free masking and painting.
/Fredrik
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Just found this Gary - I had not seen it pop up!
Simply marvellous painting and details. Like you I am at the age when time matters and details which cannot be seen on a finished model do not!
Keep up the good work.
Stephen.
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Ah thanks Stephen & Alexis,
And thanks Fredrik, masks performed beautifully ;)
Just started to rig the tail feathers before the main wings go on...
(https://i.postimg.cc/L55MgX0C/E47133-F7-9-AD0-4-BB6-811-C-89093-E9-DD71-D.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/phwSg2vz)
Guy
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Excellent rigging Guy :)
Alexis
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This is a wonderful build and I really love the shade of PC-12 you chose.
Andreas
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Thank you again :)
But... unfortunately I’ve had the usual disaster - attaching the wings - despite drilled holes and pins which were all test fitted I somehow managed to muck it up :P broke a strut, cursed a lot then the whole thing collapsed! Walked away, but when I came back to fix it the same thing happened “@#£&”
I do seem cursed lately, I just can’t seem to either finish a kit or finish it to my satisfaction. At this rate my cabinet is going to take a very long time to fill up!
I really want it filled with WW1 models, but I’m struggling at the moment. Not sure where to go next. I’m tempted to get another Tamiya ‘shake n’ bake’ to to get something finished. Or my Eduard Albatros - if that ends up in flames then I really will be at a loss!
Disappointed Guy ???
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I know that feeling all to well Guy and you aren't alone in that either . Put it back in the box for now and focus on something else . It's what I'm doing for awhile , focusing on some WW 2 subjects .
Bring it back out later when that mojo returns to finally finish it . :)
Alexis
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I too know the feeling Guy! Your triplane is looking gorgeous. Set it aside and start another project. It is what I have done all too frequently lately :( When you are ready I look forward to seeing this one finished!
RAGIII
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I second Terry and Rick: very well known occurrence and feeling for me too and the same suggestion of a brief pause.
Best wishes.
Giuseppe
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Thank you again :)
But... unfortunately I’ve had the usual disaster - attaching the wings - despite drilled holes and pins which were all test fitted I somehow managed to muck it up :P broke a strut, cursed a lot then the whole thing collapsed! Walked away, but when I came back to fix it the same thing happened “@#£&”
I do seem cursed lately, I just can’t seem to either finish a kit or finish it to my satisfaction. At this rate my cabinet is going to take a very long time to fill up!
I really want it filled with WW1 models, but I’m struggling at the moment. Not sure where to go next. I’m tempted to get another Tamiya ‘shake n’ bake’ to to get something finished. Or my Eduard Albatros - if that ends up in flames then I really will be at a loss!
Disappointed Guy ???
Sorry to hear Guy.
Maybe the Tamiya Swordfish? Staying in theme at least.
Cheers,
Hugh
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I'm with the others Guy, place it carefully aside, it will seem much easier another day! I'd say find another project that is destined for your cabinet, relax, and enjoy the Build. Don't question yourself for sure, this one was at the 'magnificent" stage before the bump in the road, and it will be recoverable I'm certain. We all are our own strongest critics, your models are exceptional in all of our views! :) :) :)
Cheers,
Lance
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Thanks so much everyone!
Wise words indeed. It is recoverable if I’m being honest, but it’s, as you’ve advised, back in the box for another day. I just get so frustrated at my own ham fistedness! Also, once a model is ‘tainted’ I just want to crack open a shiny new box! My modelling psyche is flawed!
Hugh - you must be psychic! That is indeed on my radar at the moment ;) I’ve got a nice stash of kits but I still want to buy something new!
Guy
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Just catching up Guy - sorry to read that you have had a hump in the road. However I too would put it to one side for a while and come back to it later. Being ham-fisted is not unique to you - I too could write a book on the subject, and as Lance has written, we are our own worst critics.
A Swordfish build would be worth following: and as others have written would still be a biplane so a real aeroplane.
Stephen.
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Sorry about that Guy!
The old struts in 1/48 are very filigree and damageable ???
I tried to be very relaxed and working slow and careful, and still mishaps happen.
It is good that you get some distance to it!
Cheers,
Frank
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Sorry to hear about your mishap, Guy. Broken struts are not the easiest things to fix, for sure. You could always build a tank to sooth your jangled nerves! ::) Keep calm and model on...
Cheers,
Gary