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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: hrcoleman66 on January 19, 2021, 01:28:59 PM
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Hello everyone and welcome to my build log for the Eduard Weekend Edition 1/48 scale SE5a (Hispano Suiza).
This is to be an OOB build, but lets just talk about that for a minute.
Many people have different interpretations of what Out of the Box means when it comes to building a kit. So I'll tell you what I mean.
For a properly finished WW1 Aircraft, you need rigging and control wires. So I'll be adding these. Looking at the control horns on the control surfaces, I'll probably need ot replace them as well... More on that later.
The surface detail on this kit is superb for this scale, with one caveat. The rib stitching is VERY over scale. More on that later as well.
I did start a discussion on this very subject over on Aeroscale a few years ago and I would paste a link, but it appears that all the older threads have been archived.
So lets start off with the usual box top and contents.
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The box contains two sprues in Dark Grey injection moulded plastic with very fine detail. Te engine detail is probably up there with the best aftermarket Resin kits available.
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And one Clear sprue containing the Inspection covers and windscreen.
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The Decal sheet covers two marking options.
A machine from RFC number 40 Squadron piloted by Roderick Stanley Dallas DSO & Bar, DSC from Esk in Queensland, with a field applied Chocolate and Ochre camo over PC10.
And one from number 56 Squadron in standard PC10 piloted by Kenneth Junor. It is this scheme I will be finishing the machine in. Simply becasue this is my first build back in after a long hiatus and I don't want to push my luck with the paint job.
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That's enough for this post. But be warned, I can get quite wordy in this sort of stuff, so grab some pop corn and sit back and enjoy.
Cheers,
Hugh
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I’ll will enjoy seeing this build, Hugh.
Kevin
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I’ll will enjoy seeing this build, Hugh.
Kevin
Me too Kevin.
Lets talk about rib stitching.
Rib stitching has one and only one use. It stops the fabric covering from lifting from the ribs and ballooning, thereby changing the aerodynamic characteristics of the flying surfaces. For an example of how drastically this can happen, it's worth looking into the early development of the spitfire and what happened to elevators and ailerons in high speed dives.
On the allied machines, the format of the stitching was pretty standard, and varied only a little depending on manufacturer. The appearance to the naked eye is a thread running cross wise over the top of the wing rib, and the same on the underside of the rib, but with the thread also running along the underside of the rib to the next stitch.
So the construction was, timber rib, along which was run a strip of reinforcing fabric, over witch was layed the Irish linen covering, then another reinforcing strip, the stitching and then a wider strip of fabric to cover the stitching. The top strip was from from fabric with frayed edges (later pinked edges).
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The thread itself was about 1/16" diameter. So even if a knot were visible, the fabric covering would protrude at most 3/16" from the surface.
Now I don't want to sound like I'm being overly critical here. Eduard have given it a red hot go at recreating this feature, but to my mind, they've seriously overdone it.
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I've measured the height of the feature at various points over the upper wing and got between 0.008" and 0.011" height from the surface of the wing. This scales up to between 3/8" and 1/2"!!! It's very obvious in images of other builds I have seen elsewhere.
The upshot is, that I'm going to be removing this feature, or at the very least toning it down. I haven't yet decided whether to scrape the feature off with a scalpel blade, or sand it off with an emery board. I might need to experiment a little. But the end result will be that the stitching will be more to scale... I hope.
The stitching on the sides of the fuselage is quite well done, and I think I can live with it.
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Cheers,
Hugh
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Hello Hugh,
I’m curious.. is this an older moulding to the new tool SE5a or just a different boxing? I recently built the new one and it was beautiful (mini WNWs) but the rib stitching looked ridiculously overdone. I sanded them to tone down the effect, which is a shame as you lose the detail, but if you look at period photos of the SE you can hardly see the rib stitching at all.
Build log here:
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=9986.0
Anyway, enjoy!
Guy
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Hello Hugh,
I’m curious.. is this an older moulding to the new tool SE5a or just a different boxing? I recently built the new one and it was beautiful (mini WNWs) but the rib stitching looked ridiculously overdone. I sanded them to tone down the effect, which is a shame as you lose the detail, but if you look at period photos of the SE you can hardly see the rib stitching at all.
Build log here:
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=9986.0
Anyway, enjoy!
Guy
Hello Guy.
Same moulding. Different boxing.
I know revel also have released the same moulds under their own brand.
Cheers,
Hugh
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I am looking forward to the treatment you do on the wings, and the rest of the build! I like the 56 squadron scheme. One I may do someday with the Roden 1/32nd scale kit!
RAGIII
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Hello Hugh ,
Looking forward on seeing what you do with this kit . It's not a subject we see built very often .
Alexis
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I will be following along as i am starting a 1/72 Roden SE5a. I always get some great tips from others on this site.
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I'm also looking forward to your build, both in general and in particular when it comes to those stitches. This might be my next WWI build... or not... ::)
/Fredrik
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That is really a nice kit! I build it from the Royal Edition, which I got as present. And since it was not complete, also with some accessories.
Guy linked his build, so here is mine ;)
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=9848.45
or the finished one https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=9942.0
Yes, the stitching is a bit prominent, but not that much as on the Siemens-Schuckert D.III, which was the previous new WWI kit.
If I remember right, Eduard said it will be reduced further by primer, paint, clear coats ....
Anyway, I will follow your build because I want to build a four blade machine form the second kit of the box and always open for new ideas.
Cheers,
Frank
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Yes, the stitching is a bit prominent, but not that much as on the Siemens-Schuckert D.III, which was the previous new WWI kit.
If I remember right, Eduard said it will be reduced further by primer, paint, clear coats ....
Anyway, I will follow your build because I want to build a four blade machine form the second kit of the box and always open for new ideas.
Cheers,
Frank
Indeed, the Siemens is quite extreme!
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I purchased that kit at the same time I bought my first copy of this SE5a... See, just because I haven't been building doesn't mean I haven't been adding to my already ridiculous stash!
Cheers,
Hugh
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That is really a nice kit! I build it from the Royal Edition, which I got as present. And since it was not complete, also with some accessories.
Guy linked his build, so here is mine ;)
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=9848.45
or the finished one https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=9942.0
Yes, the stitching is a bit prominent, but not that much as on the Siemens-Schuckert D.III, which was the previous new WWI kit.
If I remember right, Eduard said it will be reduced further by primer, paint, clear coats ....
Anyway, I will follow your build because I want to build a four blade machine form the second kit of the box and always open for new ideas.
Cheers,
Frank
That's a lovely build Frank! The Etched details really add to it!
Cheers,
Hugh
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So, on with trying to clean up/tone down the Rib stitching.
About half an hour with a fine emery board (Woolworths Manicure section, about $5.00 for a pack of ten) being very careful not to obliterate other details resulted in what you see below.
Some stitches are still showing through with the naked eye, probably not able to be seen here, but I'll have to spray a prime coat to see exactly how it looks. Certainly though, it's better than OOB. Only the top main plane done so far, the bottom shown for comparison.
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Cheers,
Hugh
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Vast improvement Hugh ;)
Alexis
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Much better to My eyes!
RAGIII
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This looks way better.
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Agreed, well worth the effort Hugh.
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A great start to this build, Hugh! And I do like your explanations and extra bits of research - I love that interesting stuff! I attacked the Meng wing detail just as you did for this kit - I agree with you 100%! Regards, Marc.
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Just as an update...
I have been working on the Cockpit and details therein. Painting, painting...
I'll show it when I have something to show, but at the moment, it's just gluing bits together and painting it all up...
The plastic all goes together very well and the details have been very well done. It's a complex structure though... Nearly on par with a Hawker Hurricane, or Tempest. Eduard have ensured that pretty much every aspect of the Cockpit details are represented in some way.
One other thing I'll say though... My eyes don't seem to be as good as they used to be. I'm struggling to discern individual details for painting even with 1.5 x reading glasses... I must be getting old.
Photos soon!
Cheers,
Hugh
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Looking forward on your up-date Hugh on what you have done so far . :)
Alexis
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i'm just starting the revell brand version of this kit so i'm looking forward to seeing yours come together. I know what you mean about the cockpit, so many parts and colours to paint :D
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1,5 reading glasses, Hugh?? Amateur amongst us (senior) modellers! Glasses, +3, optivisor with 2 lenses... But watching and following intently... Regards, Marc
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I am already looking forward to the pictures of the next steps!
Cheers,
Frank
PS: still modeling without glasses ;)
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Patience everyone... I've been finishing details on the Cockpit preparing for a spray coat of satin/semi gloss clear to prep for an oil wash.
My ability to paint in my new work area (the other corner of the spare room where I have set up my home office) is restricted by the 18 exotic parrots that live in our house... Paint fumes are not going to go down well, and my wife has a nose like a blood hound!
Cheers,
Hugh
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Well, a slight hitch.
A dry fit with the fuseage frame attached to the floor, which is integral with the lower wings, and the Fuselage sides showed me that;
a) the frame was slightly too wide and the pressure when pushed down between the inboard ends of the wings pushed the wings apart and down, thereby causing the moulded in dihedral to virtually disappear. So I was forced to obliterate the ezyline rigging that I had applied for the frame bracing and sand the sides slightly so that they were a better fit with the floor/wings. The fuselage bracing will be replaced with fine copper wire.
b) Somehow, I had gotten the seat glued about 1.5mm too far forward... which due to complexity of geometry (the seat bearers are at an incline), was then interfering with the upper cockpit section... So I removed the seat, put it where it was supposed to be and carried on... But I had to remove the harness which I had fabricated from paper strip... This gave me an opportunity to replace the harness though with my preferred lead foil, donated from a bottle of Bron Brothers Tawny Port... Must have been a while ago I snaffled that away (the Port and the Foil).
All this means some cleaning up with the paint job as well...
Sorry guys.
Cheers,
Hugh
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Well, once you have the cockpit done, the rest goes together very quickly.
Shots of the cockpit fitted in the assembled fuselage.
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The Fuel tank goes on easily, but the seam needs great care in cleaning up so as not to destroy all the lovely rivet detail.
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Dry fitting the Cockpit combing and surrounds over the Vickers Gun (How the hell am I going to mask that for painting???). This will need great care in assembly and gluing as it also will need cleaning up at the join.
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The rear underside of the fuselage is going to need a LOT of filling.
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I wonder if maybe I should have tackled something a little less... detailed to start back in after so long away... Maybe the Eduard Ne11 Baby (weekend)...
I've had to invest in an Optivisor, which is helping, but my hands are not as steady as they once were either... This getting old, it can suck on a big hairy...
Maybe 1/32 is more my mettier these days... And then moving on to 1/24?
So far, my comments on the kit... Lots of fine detail, (not withstanding the rib stitching is overdone)... A complex assembly, which needs great care. Lots of dry fitting and thinking ahead.
Eduard announced that they were doing an SE5a many years ago... Like, 20 odd years ago. I remember it was just after I built the Blue Max limited run kit. I was so looking forward to it. But it seemed never to happen. I didn't even know it was released until I visited Metro Hobbies one day after a Whitehorse Orchestra rehearsal and happened to see it on the shelf.
My thinking is that they delayed until they thought they could do it justice. Have they? Done it justice? Yes, but it's not an easy build for someone who hasn't built a 1/48 scale kit since he could still see all the details without the need for reading glasses and had a much steadier hand.
I think I'm going to have to do a couple Mojo finding build after this one. I have lots of kits I can choose from...
Cheers,
Hugh
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Nice work within the pit Hugh , really like your wood tones . That gap on the underside doesn't look very pleasing in the least bit . You are doing a super job on the kit , looking forward on the next up-date .
Alexis
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Thanks Terri,
But to be honest, I'm not 100% happy with the finish... I need more practice.
Cheers,
Hugh
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I think your interior painting and detailing looks Fantastic! I am sort of shocked at the fit as this isn't an Old Mold and one would expect better! I also notice some really nice molded detail and some like the access hatch on the right fuselage that look sort of iffy ::) JMHO,
RAGIII
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The fit of this kit is perfect. I know this , because I build it already. But it is unforgiving regarding any small mistake inside.
I guess you have paint on some glued surface. This is often written also about WNW kits.
If the cockpit frame is sitting right and deep enough on the lower wing, the fuselage halves fits around the seat frame.
This is no critics on your work, nicely painted by the way, just a information for the next builder of the kit to look for.
I must also admit, that it is definitly not an easy kit because of the number of parts. Don't get me wrong, it is a great kit with a fantastic engineering (let's call it a WNW in 1/48), but it needs some care during build.
Cheers,
Frank
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Yep, I’d agree with everything Frank says there,
I found it to be like making a Wingnut’s kit in miniature. It is a lovely kit, but care is certainly required. Looking at your other thread, I certainly wouldn’t be put off, if you’re not enjoying it, put it to one side and make something simpler and just enjoy the process!
I’ve had my ups and downs in life and I’ve found modelling to be a real sanctuary at times.
Best wishes,
Guy
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I think your interior painting and detailing looks Fantastic! I am sort of shocked at the fit as this isn't an Old Mold and one would expect better! I also notice some really nice molded detail and some like the access hatch on the right fuselage that look sort of iffy ::) JMHO,
RAGIII
I think the fault was mine. The fine copper wire I used for the rigging was c/a’d to the outer sides of the framing... I suspect, that this was enough to cause some interference with the fuse sides. There are tiny grooves moulded into the outer sides of the framing to take whatever rigging you choose to use, but after o had sanded the sides, these were obliterated. Still, the maybe 0.3mm thickness of the wire was enough to cause the problem... I surmise.
Cheers,
Hugh
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The fit of this kit is perfect. I know this , because I build it already. But it is unforgiving regarding any small mistake inside.
I guess you have paint on some glued surface. This is often written also about WNW kits.
If the cockpit frame is sitting right and deep enough on the lower wing, the fuselage halves fits around the seat frame.
This is no critics on your work, nicely painted by the way, just a information for the next builder of the kit to look for.
I must also admit, that it is definitly not an easy kit because of the number of parts. Don't get me wrong, it is a great kit with a fantastic engineering (let's call it a WNW in 1/48), but it needs some care during build.
Cheers,
Frank
Thanks Frank.
I agree. Not enough care taken during the build of the framing... points to note for the next time I build this kit (I have the “Viper” profipack version in my stash for later... but it’s a long was down my list.
Cheers,
Hugh
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Yep, I’d agree with everything Frank says there,
I found it to be like making a Wingnut’s kit in miniature. It is a lovely kit, but care is certainly required. Looking at your other thread, I certainly wouldn’t be put off, if you’re not enjoying it, put it to one side and make something simpler and just enjoy the process!
I’ve had my ups and downs in life and I’ve found modelling to be a real sanctuary at times.
Best wishes,
Guy
Thanks Guy.
I not put off, not by a long shot. I think it’s more of a reality check... kind of like expecting to be able to rattle off the Hummel Trumpet concerto in E major, just because you did ten years ago before you gave it away... my modelling skills need to be relearned and reestablished.
Cheers,
Hugh
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Today,
after mowing the lawns and helping wife with other garden duties, I got stuck in and gave the relevant surfaces a coat of Tamiya Deck Tan. This included the finely moulded recesses for the control line pulleys.
Then I grabbed the finest brush I had and painted in the details; brown for the timber sections (Ribs and spars), flat aluminium for the pulley mechanism and then using a finely sharpened tech pencil with a 0.5mm HB lead drew in the control lines themselves. The blow images outline the process.
Also, as you can see, I managed to fill that gaping maw that I had caused on the underside of the fuselage... It's not perfect, but after weathering, I'm hoping it wont be too obvious that this was a problem.
The assembly and the upper main plane are now drying in the garage after the control line pulley recesses got a coat of clear and a black oil wash... Which I will show later.
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Cheers,
Hugh
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Excellent recovery on the seam Hugh! Wings and pulleys are looking great!
RAGIII
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Excellent recovery on the seam Hugh! Wings and pulleys are looking great!
RAGIII
Second this , glad to see you press on Hugh :)
Alexis
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Thanks Terri and Rag.
Today I got the bits back inside from the Garage (I've previously advised of our exotic parrots and my wife's very black and white attitude to fumes of any sort in the house) and fitted the transparent covers for the control cable pulley recesses. These were held in place with PVA glue.
You can see that there is quite a gap between the transparent piece and the rest of the part, so the triangle of the observation window will be masked off (there is about a 1mm border around each one) and then a border masked around each one so as to allow me to fill this area and then sand it back almost flush (just the thickness of the tape remaining. This will hopefully repliate the quite heavy rib tape I recall seeing on the RAAF Point Cook Museum example. Although, the Vintage Aviator examples shows the Horizontal Stab to have a different way of tackling this to the Main planes.
(https://thevintageaviator.co.nz/sites/default/files/styles/media_gallery_large/public/images/se5a-walkaround/se5a-walkaround-005.jpg)
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But that filling will be a while away, unless I do it with the old Tipex pen that I found with my old paint store... But I can't find my Tamiya filler. The local shops are closed due a spike in our Covid cases and a statewide (if surprisingly short (5 Day)) lockdown... I could order some on line I guess.
In the mean time, I'm being nagged to do some more work on this.
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Its a scratch built example of the HMS Surprise. The ship from the film "Master and Commander". My wife asked me to build it for a friend of ours, and who am I to argue. I found the lines drawing on line and set about working it up into something passable. Completely scratch built. The only shop bought parts in the end will be the cannons and the dead eyes for the rigging.
Please be gentle, It's my first model ship. My father built scores of them when I was growing up. There was always a small table between him and the Television in the evenings as he worked on the rigging...
The more eagle eyed of you will notice another kit box on the bench... That's the Roden BE12b. This is going to be my MOJO fidning build. It has already been started (I've cut parts off the sprues and started cleaning them up).
This one will be genuinely OOB. Apart from rigging of course. I recall from building the BE2c that this kit is based on, it goes together OK.
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Cheers,
Hugh
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The SE is coming along quite nicely Hugh. Thanks for posting the reference shot of the aileron control pulleys and cover. You are My kind of Modeler...3 at once ::)
RAGIII
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The SE is coming along quite nicely Hugh. Thanks for posting the reference shot of the aileron control pulleys and cover. You are My kind of Modeler...3 at once ::)
RAGIII
Plus two work in progress largish steam engines (one beam engine 1”bore by 1.5” stroke and one twin with each cylinder of indentical dimensions) from castings... 😜
Cheers,
Hugh
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Lovely ship!
I do like subjects in wood ;)
And I’m very keen to see how the B12 turns out...
Guy
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I would say you have found your groove . Good for you Hugh .
Those inspection windows aren't the greatest to deal with . Same thing on their Camel kit which I hope they address this better in their up coming new tooled kit .
Is there PE framing in the kit to cover up that gap a bit ?
Alexis
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Hi Terri,
Not in this kit. No PE in the weekend edition. I should check the profipack viper box in my stash and see what’s in that.
Yeah, I remember that on the camel...
Cheers,
Hugh.
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Hello everyone.
Just a quick update. I've not been able to access my spray gear for various reasons (a bed currently being stored in the garage... ::)...) So I've been occupying my self in other ways.
The cowl is on and the undercarriage dry fitted. I'm now ready to go out and
a) clean up the Clear Doped Undersides, ready for masking and post shading (or maybe preshade and then filter)...
then,
b) mask the top surface for ribs for a preshade and then a couple of light coats of PC10 (or equivalent).
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I'm still tossing up whether I want to use the kit decals or mask and paint the roundels.
Just as a side note, by comparison to the Eduard Ne 11 (which I have in the 2016 released weekend edition) which was originally released 2001, the SE5a is HIGHLY and precisely engineered. The wheels snapped on to the axles and probably will never need gluing. The Cabane struts are a slot and glue scenario... And fell precisely into the correct alignment with no adjustment needed.
Now for the bad news. Whether through a fault of mine, or molded in, the lower wing seems to have less dihedral than it should have and I might have to do some fiddling during the fitment of the upper wing to get it all correct.
Cheers,
Hugh
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Excellent progress Hugh! I am looking forward to the further painting of the wings and fuselage. As for the dihedral I hope all works out well!
RAGIII
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Nice work on this, Hugh. Those pulley windows have to be difficult to work with due to their size.
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Really shaping up nicely Hugh :)
Alexis
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Thanks Guys.
I'm actually pretty happy with how it has come up now.
Today, the love of my life and object of my desire (I have to say that, it's in the contract) went out photographing birds with a girlfriend, so I had the chance to get some long awaited spraying done.
I preshaded the upper surfaces with Tamiya Nato Black thinned to within an inch of its life.
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And gave the under surfaces a fresh coat of Tamiya Deck Tan.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50961683382_5e3cdcd679_k.jpg[/imgThen I set about masking all the Rib tapes on the under surfaces using 1mm Tamiya masking tape.What a chore that was! And I still need to do the upper surfaces at some stage.[img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50960877578_d4d3361117_k.jpg)
Then, using a mix of about 3/4 deck tan and 1/4 nato black, I sprayed over the masked sections to try to replicate shadow... Many people use a brown to do this, but what I've noticed from photos of aircraft with PC10 upper surfaces, is that the shadows are more grey than brown.
Then, after removing the masking, I did a spray of Nato Black. This will be a base for a brown/black wash that will get a fitter on a charge due to letting the machine get far too dirty.
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I will probably due a filter spray of thinned deck tan on the outer wing panels... Maybe. Lets see how it looks after a coat of clear.
Oh, the more eagle eyed of you will have noted that there is a section at the front of the upper center section that is a tad short of paint.
This is because there is a panel line about a 1/4 inch from the leading edge, I'm assuming that this is the underside of the center section fuel tank. I'll be painting this PC10.
Now that i look at these images though, I reckon I might have been a bit premature with the dirtying up. I should have waited till I'd done the PC10 as well... Nothing is irretrievable though...
Cheers,
Hugh
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I do like the effect you have gotten with your shading Hugh , a light over spray will tie it together even more . It is a little stark in some places if I may say .
Alexis
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I like what you have done so far. I am looking forward to seeing it all finished up!
RAGIII
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I do like the effect you have gotten with your shading Hugh , a light over spray will tie it together even more . It is a little stark in some places if I may say .
Alexis
I agree Terri. I’ll be trying that out today. I’m not sure how much of what you are seeing is due to my using a flash to photograph it though. Might try some more photos today under natural light.
Cheers,
Hugh
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Alexis was spot on with her assessment that the shading on the undersurfaces was too stark...
This morning, I gave them a filter of thinned deck tan and was much happier with the result.
Before...
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After...
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Then I got down to masking...
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I used a neat thinned Tamiya Khaki Drab to stand in for PC10... Came out just the right mix of brown and khaki i think.
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Then I added a few drops of white to lighten the mix a bit and tried to add some tonal variation... I did this because frankly, the idea of masking all those bloody rib takes again gave me the shivers... It was looking a bit too stark to begin with and I was worried that I would have to give it all an over filter of Olive Drab again, but after a coat of gloss, it wasn't so bad.
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Have I told you how I hate decals? Hate is a strong word I know, but it's probably not strong enough to describe how I feel about decals... Abhor? Detest?
Way back when, I would prefer to mask and spray rather than struggle with recalcitrant decals... But I'm starting again... And I thought, how hard can it be?
Well, let me tell ya! By the time I'd done the wing cockades, and the E on the upper wing, I had a head ache. Seriously, my head hurt and I had to go find wifes stash of Paracetamol. One is a throw away, but I dont have any spares, so... It's gonna have a slight wrinkle. The others? Well, they might settle down, but hells, I wish I'd masked and sprayed! I don't think it's the fault of the decals, I just think I'm out of practice... But that was what this build was for wasn't it.
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I still have to do the Fuselage cockades and the bloody E that goes on each side of the Fuse, but I'm gonna finish my cup of tea first... Then, maybe go and read a book...
Cheers,
Hugh
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I do like the more subtle effect on the lower wings! The upper surface shading and painting looks great also. Funny thing about decals is that I found the Older Hobby Craft SPAD Decals to be easier to work with than the more Modern roundels. My opinion is that in the quest for thin decals something has happened that makes them more difficult to get to conform over details and concave/convex surfaces. Spraying them seems to be a good option ::)
RAGIII
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I think you did a great job on the painting. As for the decal, at least it's on the bottom of the bottom wing!
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I do like the more subtle effect on the lower wings! The upper surface shading and painting looks great also. Funny thing about decals is that I found the Older Hobby Craft SPAD Decals to be easier to work with than the more Modern roundels. My opinion is that in the quest for thin decals something has happened that makes them more difficult to get to conform over details and concave/convex surfaces. Spraying them seems to be a good option ::)
RAGIII
Thanks RABIII.
They were certainly thin! I recall Eduard decals always being fairly thin, but these! I got the hang of it eventually, Applying the cockade decals chordwise (sliding he decal off the backing paper adhearing to near the leading edge and then sliding the paper back towards the trailing edge) seems to work most reliably... and in the end, the Fuselage decals were not as difficult as I had anticipated they would be... just smaller and more fiddly.
Cheers,
Hugh
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I think you did a great job on the painting. As for the decal, at least it's on the bottom of the bottom wing!
That's my excuse as well!
Cheers,
Hugh
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Excellent outcome on the lower surfaces Hugh . I do like Tamiya olive drab for PC 10 , nice choice !
Alexis
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While I whether and filter and wash and stuff (BTW, the decals settled down very nicely with a bit of solvent), I'm thinking about rigging...
My options are,
a) monofillament attached at each end to a twisted wire loop CA'd into the locating points... I've done this a few times before and been very happy with the results.
b) EZ line. Which I have two thickness of, but I've never used and frankly, I'm a little afraid of.
I've already made a bunch of wire loops, but I'm waiting for some 0.4mm drill bits to get delivered. The twisted tails of the loops is 0.36mm Dia. So plenty of time to decide.
Cheers,
Hugh
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Go with the mono line . In this scale the flat rigging wire won't have much of a difference .
Ez-line , I have tried this and don't like it . Very hard to thread through tubing and such .
Alexis
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Go with the mono line . In this scale the flat rigging wire won't have much of a difference .
Ez-line , I have tried this and don't like it . Very hard to thread through tubing and such .
Alexis
Totally agree here Alexis, I don’t like the stuff at all :P
Guy
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Hope it was a small cup of tea and just a comic book you read. Nice work. Looking forward to more.
Steve
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That is looking very nice. I do like your redone weathering. I cannot wait to see the finished product.
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Nice paint job! This bird will look nice at the end.
Regarding rigging:
I have used EZ-line on my finished SE.5a and will use it again on the next one, because it is more flat (oval) and so a good representation on the flat RAF wires of the original aircraft.
On the finished one I used the Eduard "Stretchers", as they call it on the PE, but the next one will get the new and easy RAF wire terminals from Gaspatch. They were not yet available during the first build. I used them on my Dolphin and they provide the best representation of RAF wires in this scale.
At least don't use turnbuckles!
Cheers,
Frank
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cracking job on the paint, the underside looks superb.
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I have ordered one of these - a profipack with the extra PE. Enjoyed this thread and the two previous builds from the linked thread. I need some reference material on the SE5 definitely.
One quick question - inside the cockpit on the pilots right side there is a rack with a row of cylinders. What are those? It looks like they are not in the WNW 1/32 model.
Thanks,
Phil
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These are the launch buttons for the magnesium flares as used on the night fighters as landing lights. The flares was called Holt flares, was electrical started and are mounted below the rear fuselage to avoid dazzling the pilot. See:
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=9942
The SE.5a had 6 of them, so 6 buttons. The problem was only, if the pilot was not able to land with those six. After that he was not able to see much in the darkness, because the human eye need much longer to adapt from bright to dark.
Cheers,
Frank
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Interesting. So if the plane didn't have those landing flares, would that be there inside the cockpit?
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I know a color picture from a museums aircraft. There are only those two switches on a slanted plate (also on the Eduard Cockpit, in front of the box with the six buttons on top). The area after that is empty, looks identical to the left side.
So I need to remember ??? to cut away the box, if I'm doing the second SE.5a from the Royal boxing which will be a four blade with the other radiator 8)
Cheers,
Frank
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Very nice paint work, shadow effect is a great addition to the undersurfaces.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Very nice paint work, shadow effect is a great addition to the undersurfaces.
Ciao
Giuseppe
Thanks Gieseppe.
I’ve since weathered with Vallejo acrylic washes, with black, burnt sienna etc... I also gave all the under surfaces a light wash if sepia, which warmed the tone a little.
I’m still waiting for the 0.4mm drill bits to arrive in the post, then I’ve been working on a rigging method which will involve the use of 0.35mm copper wire, 0.6mm did Albion alloys brass tube and heavy EZline... experiments continue.
Cheers,
Hugh
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I haven't been on the forum much lately so I missed your porgress. I think this one is coming along real nice. I like your paintjob and the decals look ok to me. Keep up the good work.
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I noticed that "Aims" has recently released a photo etch rigging set ( Code Number:AIMPE48013} for the Eduard SE.5a kit. It is available at Hannants UK.
Bob
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I noticed that "Aims" has recently released a photo etch rigging set ( Code Number:AIMPE48013} for the Eduard SE.5a kit. It is available at Hannants UK.
Bob
Very interesting! I'm always cautious about these etched rigging sets. My experience with rigid metal rigging is that temperature variations can play havoc with the tension.
But I might be tempted to give them a go on my other Eduard SE5a's that I have in my stash.
Cheers,
Hugh
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Well, it's finished.
I put the last coat of flat on today and here it is. Rigging was eventually a combination of Monofilament (Invisible mending thread) and fine zinc plated copper wire.
It wont win me any awards (although I recall winning a monthly IPMS club comp with a brush painted Eduard Sopwith Camel many years ago)... But for the first completed model after about 15 years out of practice, it's OK. I learnt a lot during the process and would definitely tackle this kit differently were I to do it again (I have two others in my stash, so chances are...).
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Thanks everyone for following along.
Cheers,
Hugh
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I would say you still got it Hugh ! Haven't lost your touch in the least bit and this , for me is a treat . Haven't seen your work since Aeroscale .
The under surface is the cats meow for me , turned out fantastic ! Thanks for sharing your journey with us :)
Alexis
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looks pretty damn good to me 8)
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Second that!
Willem
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I would say you still got it Hugh ! Haven't lost your touch in the least bit and this , for me is a treat . Haven't seen your work since Aeroscale .
The under surface is the cats meow for me , turned out fantastic ! Thanks for sharing your journey with us :)
Alexis
Thanks Terri.
A random application of Vallejo burnt sienna wash really brought the underside to life.
Cheers,
Hugh
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Outstanding results Hugh! You haven't lost your touch at all as your results show!! The rigging is quite impressive.
RAGIII
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I think it looks really wonderful!
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Beautiful work Hugh.
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I'm kind of amazed at the results you got with Tamiya Olive Drab. You used XF-62 through the airbrush? What I see on my screen is what I'd like to get out of an olive drab but mine always comes out a lot greener....
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I'm kind of amazed at the results you got with Tamiya Olive Drab. You used XF-62 through the airbrush? What I see on my screen is what I'd like to get out of an olive drab but mine always comes out a lot greener....
I need to make a correction. It was Khaki Drab.
Apologies.
Cheers,
Hugh
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I'm chiming in with the rest - very nice result and a real inspiration for me personally!
/Fredrik
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Thanks Fredrick.
By chance, I found a photograph today of this very machine in the Albatross publications SE5a special. I should have been more restrained with my weathering I think. But that’s a lesson for next time.
Cheers,
Hugh
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Excellent results!! She looks like a hotrod!!
Steve
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Excellent work, she got the right look.
Ciao
Giuseppe