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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: lcarroll on November 02, 2020, 06:53:14 AM
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After a longer then planned break in the realm of "Off Topic Builds" I've cleared off the work Bench and started the so called "Mengnut Wings" Fokker Dr.1 Triplane. I will be finishing this model as Lothar von Richthofofen's yellow over-painted 454/17. The title refers to the plan I have to follow this with the Roden Kit finished as the Red Baron's 425/17, the all red bird he was fatally shot down in and thus have models of both Brothers von Richthofen's aircraft. I already have the Baron's 152/17 in the display cabinet done with the Roden Kit.
(https://i.imgur.com/0qgjMrq.jpg)
I have acquired a large selection of excellent references over the years; here are the main titles I intend to use:
(https://i.imgur.com/nNXyWeO.jpg)
The Leaman book is an excellent publication in my view.
(https://i.imgur.com/tbY5Ywy.jpg)
Lothar's red and yellow machine is illustrated on the cover of Albatros's excellent "Flying Circus" Publication.
Here's the standard photo of the Kit in it's box, the wings and fuselage halves have been removed for trimming.
(https://i.imgur.com/m4GSnv1.jpg)
My Kit arrived with the common broken cowling piece and warped wings, both easily remedied faults. I'll be building it essentially OOB however I have both Gas Patch and Master Spandaus and the Aviattic resin cowling on hand as options if required. The Markings are fairly standard and I can source the Serials from Pheon's excellent Sheet No. 32002, Fokker DR.1's of Jasta II. Last, I plan to use the Aviattic Fokker Streaked Camouflage decals on this model.
Finally, if I'm not "Fokkered out" by the time I complete the second project I hope to finish up with the Encore F.I done as the Voss 102/17 machine.
More to follow soon!
Cheers,
Lance
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Nice to see another Meng Tripe on the go Lance.
Looking forward to see what you make of it. I really enjoyed the build.
Guy
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I am really looking forward to your buid of this Excellent kit!
RAGIII
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Good choice of markings Lance: I am looking forward with "great interest" as you work your way through this build. I think the LVR scheme is especially attractive on this aircraft and I know that you will do an excellent job on the model. I am also looking forward to your comments on the kit as you go through it. It's in my stash, but I am awaiting a final decision as to what markings to do it in. As "They Say": Tally Ho!
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Thanks, all, for you much appreciated comments. I am looking forward to this little excursion into yet another Model Building adventure, so many great Kits, so little time!
Cheers,
Lance
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Great to see you "back in the saddle" with a build like this Lance - I'm very keen to follow as you "put on a clinic" for us ;) That build at the start of your post is excellent, I might add.
Cheers,
Gary
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Looking forward to this build, Lothar V.R. is a great option for something different.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Thanks Gary and Giuseppe for looking in and commenting. This scheme should be a lot of fun and a challenge to replicate as the striping appears to show through in the yellow over-painted areas in the photos I have. It certainly won't lack color!
Cheers,
Lance
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Follow long on your Fokker build :)
Terri
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Happy Meng-Nutting, Lance!
vB ;)
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Good to see you back and building WW1 Lance. Lv R's aircraft markings are new to me so i will be very interested to see them. I know that you will produce a very fine model - and as Gary has written, the one at the start of your thread is a stunner.
Stephen.
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Thank you all, I've made a bit of progress, will try for some photos tomorrow for a mini update. My only comment at this (early) point is that nearly every "fit" attempt so far requires trimming, opening, or sanding to get good results. I may be the culprit with over spilling of paint onto mating surfaces but this commonly encountered condition is more extreme then what I've experienced with Wingnut Kits. Perhaps early for such a comment however I'm finding this Kit is like one that needed just one more good rejection for another test shot before going to the Market Place! Still though, a great little kit thus far.
Cheers,
Lance
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It's great to see you joining the Fokker Dr.1 family, Lance! Your builds are always informative, beautifully executed and fun to watch! I'm on board! Regards, Marc.
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Thanks Marc, I'm just about to enter a small update and, as you will see, perhaps your kind comment regarding "execution' is a tad over generous! :-\
Cheers,
Lance
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The Build is flowing along at a snail's pace however progress is steady. At this point I'd say the only significant critique I have is wrt the Instructions, which fall well short of the quality of those we enjoy with most of the newer Kits.
The cockpit is over half completed. The Engineering of this particular model is quite different from it's Roden predecessor, and not necessarily an improvement from what I can recall of the latter.
Here's the left side fuselage frame (In Black!) "posed" in place with the floor module roughly posed as well, with separate views of each following, and I see a bit of touchup required on the middle former........
(https://i.imgur.com/RjxeMVe.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/k9A9Ejp.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NVJ9leI.jpg)
......and here's the left side with Eduard's Photo Etched seat belts for that side only installed: I've decided to use some parts from Eduard's PE Set #32547 "Fokker DR.1 for this Build)
(https://i.imgur.com/k9A9Ejp.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/AHLv9OW.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/CP68ZWD.jpg)
As you can see a bit of the reddish brown color of the side panel bled through the tape onto the CDL, not too evident without the "Macro" feature of the camera thankfully!
Here's the ammunition container and rudder pedal assembly sans rigging which will be added next once the components are permanently installed:
(https://i.imgur.com/nEyH1No.jpg)
So next comes some flight control cables and a few instruments before I close it up and half of all this effort disappears ....... I'll skip the standard comment about the "whys" and "because" of that detail! ;)
Cheers,
Lance
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good job...nice
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Excellent work on the interior Lance! I wish mine was as neat and clean 8)
RAGIII
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Pit looks awesome so far Lance , really like how the back panel turned out behind the seat , nice work on picking out the details
Terri
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Thanks for the nice comments All. Some touch ups and a couple of scratch built instruments completed as I finish up the cockpit before closing it up. I've spent far too much time puzzling out the cockpit layout, every source seems to have a different layout and photos are incomplete at best. According to one very credible reference "were not sure ........." so this will be a "WAG" version. (Wild Assed Guess!) with only 3 interior dials plus the compass. Photos will follow before I close it up.
Cheers,
Lance
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Another Dr1 master at work. Very nice!!
Steve
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Nice interior with lots of detail - and it looks like it fits well! The Roden kit is not nearly as detailed and has it's challenges! But lets face it, not much can be seen when the model is complete! Your modelling is precise and neat - a pleasure to follow! Regards, Marc.
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Thanks Guys, much appreciated!
I've run into a minor "glitch", the fuselage is not closing well as, like Guy's (Gisbod's) Build the seam along the bottom doesn't mate well at all, and if I force it to join properly the top seam has a pretty decent gap. I believe the fault is that the fus. halves are a bit deformed with the bottom surface being out of "true" on one side or the other.
As an aside I needed some stretched sprue and tried a sprue from the Kit; I've never seen this before as the heated plastic would not stretch, rather it shattered into "globs" of porous material. I immediately tried a couple of Wingnut sprue pieces and got excellent results. Has anyone else encountered this? I've been stretching sprue for almost 70 years and never seen this before!
So, I've "walked away" until tomorrow, hopefully it will be a "brighter" day!
Cheers,
Lance
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Walking away is best, Lance.
Chin up! You will get there in the end. ;)
When WNW announced the DR.1 I was filled with warm fuzzy feelings, but on seeing the builds, my own kit and the pitfalls, I'm beginning to wish Meng never took on the project. Clearly they were more concerned with maximising profits than they were with delivering a kit worthy of WNW.
We live and learn.
vB
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Great looking detail, Lance. I hope you can get the fitting of the fuse halves resolved.
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I know that feeling all to well Lance . Meng's plastic is very different from other kit makers . The few WW 2 subject I built by them . Had the same issue with the plastic , doesn't stretch well at all . It's like the plastic is part wax . You aren't the first to have issue with the fit of the fuselage .
Leaving it for a few days and when your ready it will be like looking at it with a new set of eyes :)
Terri
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Thanks Guys, much appreciated!
I've run into a minor "glitch", the fuselage is not closing well as, like Guy's (Gisbod's) Build the seam along the bottom doesn't mate well at all, and if I force it to join properly the top seam has a pretty decent gap. I believe the fault is that the fus. halves are a bit deformed with the bottom surface being out of "true" on one side or the other.
As an aside I needed some stretched sprue and tried a sprue from the Kit; I've never seen this before as the heated plastic would not stretch, rather it shattered into "globs" of porous material. I immediately tried a couple of Wingnut sprue pieces and got excellent results. Has anyone else encountered this? I've been stretching sprue for almost 70 years and never seen this before!
So, I've "walked away" until tomorrow, hopefully it will be a "brighter" day!
Cheers,
Lance
That bottom Seam and stitching is a PITA for sure. As you may know I ended up sanding mine down and replacing it with Archer Resin details. As for the sprue strtching I have only encountered a similar problem once but don't remember whose plastic it was ::)
RAGIII
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Thanks for checking in and for the comments Folks, much appreciated! Terri, good to hear I'm not the only one who finds Meng's plastic a bit "different".
Sleeping on that fuselage fit problem worked out in the end, I got it done yesterday and things look a lot brighter! Before closing it I added the internal frame cross bracing and the gun cables from the control column.
(https://i.imgur.com/cNK9gIK.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/f6qs9gC.jpg)
(The dust particles were removed from the cockpit as well!)
I believe the fit problems I've encountered are caused by the fact that the fuselage halves don't match very well, at least on the Kit I have. I read somewhere that parts can warp if the sprues are removed from the mold before cooling sufficiently and since my wings are warped I reason the fuselage halves could suffer the same problems. That's my theory anyway.
Despite the trimming of the frame at the back end in the 10 and 2 o'clock positions I still had to solidly glue the top seam and let it cure overnight, then use a bit of force to align and glue the bottom seam and considerably trim the stitching insert to get it to fit the channel. Filling required is now minimal.
(https://i.imgur.com/3DMdtkr.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/9bBVsul.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/AvdzUYf.jpg)
I'll have to run a bead of thin CA down the sides before painting the bottom.
(https://i.imgur.com/y5nX7Ll.jpg)
I'll seal the putty areas with Mr. Surfacer and once cleaned up I can spray on the base coat for the "streaked" decals. I'm happy with the results thus far but I'll feel much better once the wings are straightened!
Cheers,
Lance
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In the end you ended up with a better fit on the stitching panel than I did Lance. Looking forward to your progress!
RAGIII
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Very nice interior work, the cockpit looks busy as it's expected on these planes.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Very nice to follow your build Lance - great work so far, and some keen observations. Correcting that fuselage for a "seemless" look will take some graft.
Cheers,
Gary
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There is some truly superb detail in that cockpit Lance, it will be such a pity that much of it will be difficult to see.
Stephen.
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Excellent comeback Lance , much easier to deal with know . I must say that the more I see the kit being built I'm starting to like the Roden one even more .
Looking forward on the next up-date Lance
Terri
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Thanks All. I'm a little happier with progress at this point. I spent more time straightening those warped wings then I thought it would take but the job's done and looking good. I used the hot water method and took my time , the only damage done was i managed to break off the second upper cowling extension which will not take much to repair. I hope to get a base coat on the major components tomorrow.
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance
I am super impressed with the quality of your detailing with the Meng Dr.1. I have two of these kits bubbling away on the "must build" pile but I have been lazy and am keen to see how others ( such as yourself) tackle the Mengnuts plastic.
Many thanks for showing us your build and despite the Meng kit having some issues it has certainly been a much-needed shot in the arm for our hobby.
I look forward to how yours and others builds progress!
cheers
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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Lance, I like what you have done so far. Especially the cockpit.
May be you know that already and I don't know, if those more stable parts are really needed, but I found a new brass products for your aircraft:
Struts:
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/aerocraft-acm32fos-fokker-dri-triplane-brass-struts--1316237
(https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/2/3/7/1316237-14892-74-pristine.jpg)
Undercarriage:
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/aerocraft-acm32fou-fokker-dri-triplane-brass-undercarriage-struts--1316235
(https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/2/3/5/1316235-14892-87-pristine.jpg)
Cheers,
Frank
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Thanks Dave and Frank. From what I can see at this stage the brass struts and tail skid should not be necessary. The joins are well done for the inter plane struts with deep and well formed sockets and the struts themselves appear adequate. The other Builders of this Kit on our Forum have not mentioned any problems with this part although I'll admit this is a cursory look at best at this stage.
I managed to get the under surfaces painted in the light blue/ turquoise I mixed up yesterday; tomorrow I hope to mask up the wrap around and get the CDL base coat on the fuselage and the upper surface of the wings as well. I also got the circular magneto inspection panels on her, the Kit supplied Photo Etch versions which are very nicely done.
(https://i.imgur.com/XmReuqZ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/zUu0lfx.jpg)
The female version of the strut connections; very well done and should be more then adequate.
(https://i.imgur.com/kUfqhVx.jpg)
More to follow tomorrow if all goes according to plan.
Cheers,
Lance
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Nice mix for the blue Lance , I like it ! Any problems with test fitting the lower wing/middle and chin plate ?
Terri
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I'm watching with rapt attention, Lance! Thanks for the detailed photographs and explanations... Regards, Marc
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Thanks Terri, the wing and chin cowling dry fit nicely. The blue mix will forever be a mystery, I used the blue mixed years ago for a Pfalz D.XII and never did record the ingredients then. This was then blended with gloss white and medium grey until it looked about right. (All Tamiya acrylics) Mark, thanks for looking in, my photos are not the greatest but I hope they illustrate the Kit's features. :)
Cheers,
Lance
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Your blue mix looks spot on to me Lance. You are taking a page from My handbook with that "Mix Formula" 8)
RAGIII
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That's one nasty seam Lance. I am hoping it's an anomaly and not inherent in every kit. Nice fix on the seam. I have been following along and I am in the "Terri Camp" on the blue. I mixed some up for the Hobbycraft DR.I using the RAGIII "Cookbook" on paint mixing. Looking forward to the next update.
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Rick and Mark,
Thanks for commenting, they are much appreciated! I've completed the Aviattic streaking decals using the "bulk stock" Sheets 32062 and 3.(Clear decal paper version) They went on well and I'm pleased with the results. I'm still not completely decided on the next step of over spraying with the "light yellow" stated in several of the references, specifically whether or not to include the dark cross field background panels on the fuselage and over spraying the top surface of the upper wing, or not!
Regardless the next step is several sealing coats of future over the decals and a few touch ups. I've discovered that some long out of production Model Master enamel "French Khaki" #2106 is a near perfect match for the decals.
Then comes decision time ............!
Here's a couple of shots with the cross fields applied:
(https://i.imgur.com/hm14Pm5.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/8JLavzP.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/KsxXRFi.jpg)
Some detail on the wings:
(https://i.imgur.com/OirOP1p.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/gqAqUor.jpg)
......... and the fuselage:
(https://i.imgur.com/k6lFwfs.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/jQA0YIT.jpg)
Last, the Meng Decals were used for the lower wing crosses, and they are excellent! A nice matt finish, very thin, and behave very well over the raised detail on the ribs...... and now "back to the Future"!
Cheers,
Lance
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My apologies Lance for not keeping up with this build - life has been a roller-coaster recently....
This is looking to be one of your best builds so far - the colours and streaking are super. Whatever final finish you choose, this is going to be a cracking model.
Stephen.
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Thank you Stephen, great to hear from you! I think life in general as a "roller coaster ride" is pretty common these days, very sobering times!
Having this hobby is a blessing in so many ways, not the least being the opportunity to deal with little problems and leave the bigger ones behind for a time! Hopefully my next update will include resolution of the yellow scheme details quandary.
Cheers,
Lance
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Looking really nice so far Lance , fantastic work with the streaking decals . I'm going to have to give these a whirl some day .
I'm looking forward on seeing which direction you going with the yellow :)
Terri
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Looking really nice so far Lance , fantastic work with the streaking decals . I'm going to have to give these a whirl some day .
I'm looking forward on seeing which direction you going with the yellow :)
Terri
I agree with Terri Lance in all respects including trying out the streak decals!
RAGIII
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I gotta hand it to you Lance, the streaking decal work turned out great. (Ala Tony the Tiger) Apprently not a lot of trimming to get them on. I know you didn't use the Cookie Cutter sheet so trimming was probably a bit easier than trying mate the cookie cutter style to the model, you could match the model to the decal. The model seems to be coming along post haste as you have gotten quite far with the sub assemblies. Looking forward to see how and what you do with the "Yellow Quandy". Keep us posted.
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Thanks Folks, much appreciated as always. So ....... I keep forgetting to include this request: I read somewhere in the past that the German Built version of the LeRhone 9, the Oberursel URII differed from the former only in the exhaust pipes. One had copper pipes (the LeRhone version??) the other steel but I can't recall which and can't locate the reference. Can anyone help with the answer? Here's the partially completed Kit Engine with copper exhaust pipes .....
(https://i.imgur.com/fGvqiAO.jpg)
As an aside you'll notice I've broken one push rod so I think I'll replace all nine with thinner steel ones when I finish it.
Cheers,
Lance
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Your engine looks great Lance. I broke several push rods on both of My engines. I ended up repairing what I could and leaving the unrepaired ones at the top where the are hidden by the cowling ::)
RAGIII
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Rick,
Ha! That's my "Plan B"!
Cheers,
Lance
Your engine looks great Lance. I broke several push rods on both of My engines. I ended up repairing what I could and leaving the unrepaired ones at the top where the are hidden by the cowling ::)
RAGIII
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Try as I might, I can't see the broken push rod. It looks perfectly fine to me.
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Hi Lance,
I have only seen copper intake pipes on LeRhones. Given the material shortages in Germany, I would guess the Oberursel had steel intakes, but I don't have any pictures to prove.
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Excellent work on the engine Lance :)
Terri
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That is a interesting story!
At least Richthofens Dr.I has copper intakes, as the rotary is shown in the Imperial War Museum, London.
Wikipedia has a picture:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/Iwm_Oberursel_UR.II_engine.jpg/1014px-Iwm_Oberursel_UR.II_engine.jpg)
On the other hand in some of the Datafiles there was the story that Fokker has access to a bigger amount of Thulin copies of rotaries bought by Germany in Sweden. Since Sweden was neutral this should not be known to the public, so the created the story of booty engines to explain, that those are not Oberursel ones. The Thulin used copper intakes I assume. So Fokker created some aircrafts using rotaries because they were short on the Mercedes and BMW inline engines.
Cheers,
Frank
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That makes sense Frank, and I had seen the photos of von Richthofen's engine in the IWM. I also thought that this engine (from 425/17) was a captured LeRhone version but I may be confused on that issue. A Google Search provides photos of Oberursels with both types of exhaust pipes to further confuse the issue! Kensar, I also recall reading your theory on steel vs. copper in the past ......
Cheers,
Lance
That is a interesting story!
At least Richthofens Dr.I has copper intakes, as the rotary is shown in the Imperial War Museum, London.
Wikipedia has a picture:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/Iwm_Oberursel_UR.II_engine.jpg/1014px-Iwm_Oberursel_UR.II_engine.jpg)
On the other hand in some of the Datafiles there was the story that Fokker has access to a bigger amount of Thulin copies of rotaries bought by Germany in Sweden. Since Sweden was neutral this should not be known to the public, so the created the story of booty engines to explain, that those are not Oberursel ones. The Thulin used copper intakes I assume. So Fokker created some aircrafts using rotaries because they were short on the Mercedes and BMW inline engines.
Cheers,
Frank
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I suspect Lance that the Germans used both copper and steel pipes - just to confuse modellers a century later...! I also suspect that this is an issue which we could argue about for another century and still no resolve it!
Whatever is the "correct" answer, your engine looks super.
Stephen.
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I suspect Lance that the Germans used both copper and steel pipes - just to confuse modellers a century later...! I also suspect that this is an issue which we could argue about for another century and still no resolve it!
Whatever is the "correct" answer, your engine looks super.
Stephen.
Stephen,
Good point actually, as, unless the photos are captioned wrong, I have seen a number of Oberursel photos with both exhausts! Concerning resolution, at least there's no evidence that they painted either or the other with PC.10! ;)
Cheers,
Lance
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After reading this thread, I now know why I don't use a lot of reference material in my models. I would be forever chasing rabbits down rabbit holes vice actually doing something on the model. Not to discount the value of reference material, but there comes a point when you make a decision and go with it. Like Lone Modeler wrote: "just to confuse modellers a century later." I have always thought that there was a Machiavellian plot by the defense industry to not only confuse the enemy but to also perplex modelers in the future.
I think the engine looks good and as only what, three or four cylinders will actually show forth, it's the eye candy that counts in the end. But I digress.
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Looking great Lance!
The streaking looks as good as it could possibly look. I would have gone that route but I was worried about the edging not perfectly blending in with the plastic, but you seem to have nailed it...
I’d be super careful if you mask over it.. I’ve been down that road before! :P
Guy
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Mark,
You've captured it perfectly; that's me indeed, spending hours running down "bunny trails" in the references and getting very little actual building of the model done! I write it off to the dreaded "AMS", and have accepted it as part of my model hobby experience ...... not to say I might benefit from it's absence!
Guy,
Thanks for checking in and yes, I will feel much better once the masking requirement is left behind.
Cheers,
Lance
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Nice!
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Lovely engine and Frank's statement about german rotaries clarifies something usually omitted or hidden in specific literature.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Thanks for the comments Gents! I am overdue for an update as I plod along on this build. After some deliberation, information from several helpful Members and particularly a great photo I didn't have from RAG III and finally several comparisons and brain storming sessions with MGunns I decided on the final color scheme. I elected to go with the light yellow over spray on the upper wing, fuselage, and dorsal area with the latter and upper surface of the stabilator heavier to the point of a glossy solid finish per Rick's photo.. The background panels for the national markings were done in a solid dark green without the yellow over spray. I found a 20 year old bottle of Model Master Enamel #2106 "French Khaki" in the back of one of my paint drawers which proved a near perfect match to the dark green Aviattic stripes. Amazingly the paint performed like a new product!
(https://i.imgur.com/05J0dMa.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/SVnGf8i.jpg)
The stripes show through the yellow more pronounced then the photos have captured.
(https://i.imgur.com/3eNCJG6.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/R7B2qyd.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/FrskyDe.jpg)
Next are the struts and engine cowling which will be done in my own mix of "Jasta 11 Red" which I mixed up a few days ago, but I'll save that for the next update.
Cheers,
Lance
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Looks really good Lance , once the shine is kick back a bit it will tie it together even better . Very nice results sir :)
Terri
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Looks Fantastic to Me Lance! On FB you would be accused of having Yellow Fever but I personally like your choices!
RAGIII
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Thanks Terri and Rick!
Taking the shine down will be done very soon, along with a little weathering. I just discovered that I've lost a "piece of the piece" that was broken off the side coaming of the turtle deck between the mid-wings in the box ...... another pop up distraction from progress that will have to be addressed! mNext on the construction schedule wiill be the guns; I'm planning to use the Czech Master jackets and barrels on that with the Kit breeches.
Cheers,
Lance
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I think you nailed the yellow on the upper wing and fuselage surfaces. Yellow fever must have taken root as it looks a lot like the photo's that you and I discussed. Hope you find the piece of the piece, it's gotta be there somewhere. In the meantime, looking forward to the next update and the revealing of the red. Triplane madness runin wild in the GWN!
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It's looking really good, Lance! I do like your interpretation of the "yellow", if I ever go for this colour scheme (likely) I would do it that way... Regards, Marc.
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Lance is this the piece of a part you are looking for?
(https://i.postimg.cc/rsYphWgP/IMG-20201129-091833161.jpg)
If it is and you don't find yours I will mail it out to you. It is a bit worse for wear from the crash but should clean up OK.
RAGIII
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Rick,
It's the one for the other side I've lost, the one without the empty casing chute attached. If you have it that would be great!
Cheers,
Lance
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Rick,
It's the one for the other side I've lost, the one without the empty casing chute attached. If you have it that would be great!
Cheers,
Lance
I actually have that piece also.. although it is still attached to the wing ::) Let me know if you need the part!
RAGIII
I just re-read your post. Shoot me a PM with your address.
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Rick,
Thanks very much for your very generous offer, as it turns out I found the little devil!
(https://i.imgur.com/7VOgdda.jpg)
So, if you were Lance's missing part, where would you hide?? In the clamp the dolt put it in himself! There it was in the "clamp drawer " I obviously placed it in when tidying up the bench top! It's a good ending to a frustrating couple of hours. Now I can install the middle wing, get these parts attached and cleaned up prior to paint and all's well.
I do have to Thank you again and remark on the helpful and generous nature of our Members, if only the world at large were so genuinely willing to help their neighbors ....... I help others when I can and am always amazed at how quickly a request for help here is met with unselfish generosity. We are fortunate to have the bond created by common interests and obviously values as well.
(https://i.imgur.com/VCciPUC.jpg)
Cheers,
Lance
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I got the red paint on the parts and today some photos. The red I had read about called for 5 parts Tamiya X-7 Red mixed with 1 part Tamiya XF-9 Hull Red. I didn't like the results, the mix produced (to my eyes at least) a very nice brown color with little if any red effect. After a bit of trial and error I settled on one half the amount of the Hull Red, that is 10 parts X-7 to 1 part Hull red. The cowling and wheel covers also got a coat of AK 088 "Worn Effects chipping Medium over their aluminium and CDL base coats and were then "chipped".
My camera shows the red much brighter then it is in the higher light areas but I like the real color. I'll be doing the Roden kit as 425/17 after this one and will use the same red paint. The first photo shows the true color pretty accurately (darker and a hint of brown) on the interplane struts to the right.
(https://i.imgur.com/ThMoYix.jpg)
The AK chipping product is definitely easier to work with then the old "hairspray" trick!
(https://i.imgur.com/rhe30XT.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/i27vcNJ.jpg)
That's where she presently sits. It's finally looking like it might get completed soon.
Cheers,
Lance
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Wow Lance, you made a great progress with paint and decals!
That will be a colorful addition to your collection.
I do have to Thank you again and remark on the helpful and generous nature of our Members, if only the world at large were so genuinely willing to help their neighbors ....... I help others when I can and am always amazed at how quickly a request for help here is met with unselfish generosity. We are fortunate to have the bond created by common interests and obviously values as well.
Well said Lance!
Cheers,
Frank
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I am glad you found the missing part Lance. It saved a bit of a wait from the US to Canada! Your red mix looks awesome to My eyes. I love the chipping. I really have to try that chipping medium someday!
RAGIII
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Glad to see you found the part, right where you left it. I do it all the time. The red is looking good. I like the chipping medium. I tried to find it at Andy's last week, but no joy. Looking forward to more updates.
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Frank, Rick and Mark,
Thanks for your comments. Yes, I feel dumb, but if you can't laugh at yourself ...... and you know the rest! Things look a lot better tonight then they did yesterday!
Cheers,
Lance
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Hey Lance , glad you found your part . I have done that many times before as well and I always fell just alittle stupid . Give my head a shake and have a v-8 !
Lovely job on the red and what is this AK chipping effect ?
Terri
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Hey Lance , glad you found your part . I have done that many times before as well and I always fell just alittle stupid . Give my head a shake and have a v-8 !
Lovely job on the red and what is this AK chipping effect ?
Terri
Thanks Terri.
(https://i.imgur.com/Umjlr8C.jpg)
This stuff is an acrylic fluid designed to replace the "hairspray" method of producing a chipped paint effect. The directions are on the bottle and I find it produces better results and is easier to use then hairspray. I got it from Sunward Hobbies on line. You can go all the way from a slight effect to the extreme after a bit of practice. I find the base coat under this stuff (I apply it by brush despite the directions calling for a couple of coats by airbrush) works best if a lacquer or enamel is used as it doesn't get worn off like the final finish. So it's base coat of aluminum, wood or CDL, a couple of coats of this, final color in acrylic, and as soon as that's dry apply a water soaked stiff brush and chip away. You probably have to scratch the finish slightly to get it started. They sell a really effective version called "heavy Chipping" which I also like but you have to be really careful with it. The Camel is the Heavy chipping type in the following photos.
(https://i.imgur.com/0FHdJUi.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/sCoOc4U.jpg)
I really like both products.
Cheers,
Lance
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Nice work on the paint job, Lance. The red shade looks good.
I, too, usually brush on the chipping effects stuff, mainly because I only want to chip certain areas.
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Thanks Lance , it is pretty much new to me ..I think I will have to try this out .
Terri
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Hi Lance - just catching up on things and delighted to see how you are progressing on the build. It was interesting to follow some FB debate on the colour of the top wing on Lothar's triplane, with Greg VanWyngarden also chiming in. Glad you were able to make a decision and go with it - what you've done looks excellent so far.
Cheers,
Gary
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You have done a lot since I was last able to look in Lance.
I do like the yellow finish on Lothar's Fokker and the red on the second one. The chipping is also very good - I must remember that in future if I ever get around to a painted aircraft in 1/32 scale.
I would also like to echo your sentiments concerning the members of this forum - they are truly a most friendly and helpful group.
Stephen.
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Great work!!
Steve
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Thank you all for your comments. I'm afraid I've failed badly on keeping up a build log on this one; I completed it yesterday and will do a Completed Models entry later today. A very slow and interrupted Build it was, and not without a few challenges. Now it's onwards and upwards on the Roden version of this Kit which I'm doing as von Richthofen senior's all red 425/17. This Meng Kit is one I'd like to do again as I didn't find it as enjoyable as many apparently have, however I'm the first to admit that some if not most of the shortcomings I experienced were self induced!
(https://i.imgur.com/mgRbmwj.jpg)
Cheers,
Lance
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From what is seen in this view it is Gorgeous Lance! Looking forward to the completed photos!
RAGIII
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Stunning to say the least Lance , waiting on final pic's :)
Alexis
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Rick, Alexis, many thanks, you are both very generous! Final photos are done on Completed Models Thread.
Cheers,
Lance
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That's a nice perspective to show a triplane with a wooden propeller and a lovely color mix!
Cheers,
Frank
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That picture shows a great Triplane, Lance! Well done, your comments on the Meng kit are a great help... Regards, Marc. (Love the Prop!)
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That looks super Lance. I am off to look at the other pictures.
Stephen.