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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => What's New => Topic started by: Dave W on September 19, 2020, 09:25:43 AM
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Our friends at Roden have reached out and asked the members of our Forum to suggest the colour schemes they should feature on their three forthcoming new 1/32 scale kits. This is a first in the model world and a huge opportunity for modellers to have a direct input into the marking options of new kits.
Roden are resuming production of 1/32 scale WW1 aircraft in part due to feedback from this Forum and an influential subject poll which directly resulted in Roden adding the Spad XIII to their 2021 schedule of an Avro 504K and Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter.
And the news just gets better with Vladimir of Roden saying they will produce two versions of the Spad XIII - an Early and Late version.
Inviting Forum members to suggest the colour schemes is a huge move in the hobby world. Copper State Models sought member input for supplementary schemes for their Nieuport XXIII RFC kit, and as a result added two more marking options to the forthcoming kit.
Roden are starting with a blank page and saying- tell us which schemes we should feature? I don't know of any other model hobby website group that has been asked for such involvement in new kit production so it's a huge acknowledgement of how the members of this Forum are now regarded in the hobby!
So let's have your suggestions folks. Roden will be monitoring the thread and we will be sending them regular updates too.
Our hobby just keeps getting better and better every day.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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(https://www.aviationgraphic.com/4582-large_default/spad-xiii-spa48-adjroques-col-17.jpg)
Gene K
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I like this one - very colorful, nice history, the actual aircraft still exists
assigned to Lt. A. Raymond Brooks, U.S. Army Air Service, who named it after the college attended by his sweetheart and future wife. It was the fourth of his airplanes so named, hence Smith IV.
The Ray Brooks Spad XIII was built by the Kellner et Ses Fils piano works in August 1918. It was delivered to Colombey-les-Belles in September 1918 and assigned to the 22nd Aero Squadron, U.S. Army Air Service, where it was given the number "20" and assigned to Brooks. The aircraft was a replacement for another of the same type in which Brooks had earlier crashed. Brooks achieved one of his six personal aerial victories in Smith IV. Five other victories were scored with Smith IV while flown by other pilots.
(https://airandspace.si.edu/sites/default/files/images/86-12094h.jpg)
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I second Gene's suggestion,a nice alternative to the camouflage schemes.There was an interesting AFC 504 trainer in a diamond pattern http://www.adf-gallery.com.au/gallery/Avro-504/P08374_008 which would be something different.
Cheers,
Dave.
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I like them both and would buy both if they were kitted. Excellent choices.
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As a break from 5 color camo on the late version, any of the post armistice Showbirds would be a nice option. I prefer Reed Chambers Stars and stripes, but any of the other Showbirds would be good.
sp
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As a break from 5 color camo on the late version, any of the post armistice Showbirds would be a nice option. I prefer Reed Chambers Stars and stripes, but any of the other Showbirds would be good.
sp
YES , YES , YES ! Excellent call SP . I'm not much for camo schemes and the showbirds have very colourful ones :)
Terri
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How about this Spad XIII
(https://photos.smugmug.com/WWI-aircraft-art-by-Peter-Green/i-7MzK3nK/0/2f93c78a/XL/Spad%20XIII-XL.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/WWI-aircraft-art-by-Peter-Green/i-drGfHqx/0/feeaab3a/L/Spad%20XIII%20text-L.jpg)
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Francesco Baracca's SPAD XIII
the SPAD was the mount of the top scoring Italian Ace Francesco Baracca
The rampant Horse, which is now the Ferrari Racing team logo, was the personal emblem of Francesco Baracca, formerly a cavalry officer
With the underside of the lower wing painted in the Red-white-Green italian flag colours it is very colorful
Another version has the greif as a side logo
(https://photos.app.goo.gl/zd15nvXkKaHCfU7P9)
(https://photos.app.goo.gl/P5afpKQ5MSNk3MyE6)
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Wonderful, thank you, Roden!
Here's my suggestion: A decal sheet for all nine showbirds of USAS 94th Aero Squadron, Coblenz, Rhineland, 1919!
https://www.google.de/search?q=spad+xiii+usas+showbirds+1919&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjS_LWO6PTrAhVKnRoKHZF2DcsQ2-cCegQIABAC&oq=spad+xiii+usas+showbirds+1919&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQAzoECB4QCjoECCEQClDK0QRYxIcFYLqLBWgAcAB4AIABqAGIAdERkgEEMC4xNpgBAKABAcABAQ&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img&ei=8MJlX9LEK8q6apHttdgM
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It’s a lovely honour. However, sadly, we are going to have to tell Roden that their current decals are unusable and they need a better producer, otherwise all this will come to nought when we try to finish the kit.
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Some very nice suggestion, and a great opportunity!
Regarding their quality, in my experience, the later gloss ones don't shatter and tear as easily as the older (flat) ones and with some help of a good glosscoat before and after can be made to work -but indeed, Fantasy Printshop or Cartograf they are not.
What bothers me the most is the registration of colour, as I commented in the other Roden thread the registration on some items is can be rather badly off. Decals requiring some careful handling I can live with (but, still, would rather not!), but registration issues are almost impossible to correct. Perhaps we can help by suggesting schemes with less colours on top of each other, and Roden could help by separating more complex markings (colour-wise), so we modellers need to lay them on top of each other? I'd rather place the separate red, blue, white or green dot in a roundel myself, then to have to fix one that is printed off-center.
Another suggestion: print the rudder texts separate from a rudder stripe decal, as more than a few people will be painting the stripes. :)
Getting back on track, my suggestion would be the Allied ace of Aces.
His early S.XIII in particular, with the clover:
(http://www.as14-18.net/IMG/jpg/04_-_SPAD_XIII_no00526_Esc_103_Fonck.jpg)
For a later one, I've always fancied this spider-scheme that was in the Eduard 1/48 kit:
(http://www.hyperscale.com/images/eduard8196reviewrb_3.jpg)
And another vote for SPA48 and Smith IV :)
For the Avro, I don't know, as I don't know a lot about it, and for the Sopwith, it is perhaps too soon because we do not know what versions they will be doing?
For the Sopwith, I'd love to see the Mémorial Flight 2-seater one, and for a 1B1 single-seater SOP111, one of which was interned in The Netherlands:
(https://images.memorix.nl/nda/thumb/620x620/0e2dba6c-a296-7539-2e2b-625462a0f4da.jpg)
Source: IPMS.nl
Jeroen
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The Avro 504 is one of the kits I've been waiting for ages to get released by a producer, now it looks like it's finally within reach!!!
An example for the obvious paint scheme would be something like the iconic 1967 Airfix boxart by Cross...
(http://www.danskemodelbyggere.dk/forum/gallery/7698-190920114521.jpeg)
I personally would like to get a civilian scheme with the 'A V R O' on the fuselage...
(http://www.danskemodelbyggere.dk/forum/gallery/7698-190920114040.jpeg)
But the first project I will start when this kit is released, will be a conversion into a Late Avro 504N with the Armstrong Siddeley Lynx IV engine.
(http://www.danskemodelbyggere.dk/forum/gallery/7698-190920115620.jpeg)
(I'm just guessing Roden isn't planning to release this version?)
(http://www.danskemodelbyggere.dk/forum/gallery/7698-190920113942.jpeg)
This version has been on my to-do list for as long as I can remember :o
(http://www.danskemodelbyggere.dk/forum/gallery/7698-190920122355.jpeg)
One can only dream...
Thank you Roden!!!
Kent
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We are really living in golden modeling times. Thank you, Dave for your efforts to deliver our ideas to kit producers. Thank you Roden for giving us this opportunity to participate in the design of model kits.
As for my suggestions, I will purchase the kits independently of what is offered as colour schemes, but I would love to see anything Polish in the box. For instance
(https://i.ibb.co/r27Pbpb/20200919-124651.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/0B3HYzh/20200919-124711.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Fw35fqs/20200919-124734.jpg)
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For the Avro, I would love to see the black and yellow “Morgan & co” checkerboard scheme worn by Old Rhinebeck’s Avro. Not sure if it’s a 100% authentic training scheme but it is eye-catching!
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Some amazing Russian strutter schemes in the Russian Aviation Colours Volume and French Ones were really colourful over CDL.
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Here are two Strutters I would love to see. Nothing too fancy but a great Squadron with lots of tradition over the years ;D
(https://i.postimg.cc/Df65rYnF/91182275-10219865566381702-1355329504947470336-o.jpg)
and Three SPAD's, two from the Storks:
Joseph Marie Xavier De Sevin SPA 26
(https://i.postimg.cc/WbPF4sQ1/desevin1.jpg)
Albert Duellin SPA 73
(https://i.postimg.cc/7PzJD5tR/da88f5f14f8b63f41a2da53af5ace4d1.jpg)
Harold Hartney 27th Aero Sq.
(https://i.postimg.cc/XvM7sL47/25444eba8fbe880b1f48fcfb7fa25a86-aeroplanes-military-aircraft-1.jpg)
RAGIII
PS: one more Stork:
Benjamin Bozon-Verduraz SPA 3
(https://i.postimg.cc/y6n4DPG3/SPAD-XIII-no02533-Esc-3-Bozon-Verduraz.jpg)
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I would love to see both the SPAD XIII and the Strutter in Belgian markings. The Belgian Air Service gets no love.
http://www.belgian-wings.be/Webpages/Navigator/Photos/MilltaryPics/ww1_precurseurs/Sopwith%20Strutter/Sopwith%20Strutter%20Frontpage.html
James
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Surely have to do Collishaw's 9407 from the Oberndorf raid?
S
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There was an experimental Spad XIII with rocket tubes instead of Le Prierur rockets. Maybe Roden can includes these tubes and sighting mechanism or someone can produce aftermarket items for the 1/32 Roden kit and 1/48 Eduard kit. You can see photos of the rocket tube equipped Spad on Aerodrome Forum in the aircraft section "La Prieur Rockets on Spad". Photos of three types of rockets.
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One More comment on the SPAD Markings. There is a reason that Most if not All Model Companies have done Rickenbacker, Guynemer, Fonck, Baracca, Luke, etc. Aces Aircraft that are well known tend to sell. Even more so to the Non WW1 enthusiast as they are recognizable and many know the Name and Story. JMHO,
RAGIII
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Some very nice suggestion, and a great opportunity!
Regarding their quality, in my experience, the later gloss ones don't shatter and tear as easily as the older (flat) ones and with some help of a good glosscoat before and after can be made to work -but indeed, Fantasy Printshop or Cartograf they are not.
What bothers me the most is the registration of colour, as I commented in the other Roden thread the registration on some items is can be rather badly off. Decals requiring some careful handling I can live with (but, still, would rather not!), but registration issues are almost impossible to correct. Perhaps we can help by suggesting schemes with less colours on top of each other, and Roden could help by separating more complex markings (colour-wise), so we modellers need to lay them on top of each other? I'd rather place the separate red, blue, white or green dot in a roundel myself, then to have to fix one that is printed off-center.
Another suggestion: print the rudder texts separate from a rudder stripe decal, as more than a few people will be painting the stripes. :)
Getting back on track, my suggestion would be the Allied ace of Aces.
His early S.XIII in particular, with the clover:
(http://www.as14-18.net/IMG/jpg/04_-_SPAD_XIII_no00526_Esc_103_Fonck.jpg)
I agree about the decals but if things are still the same Roden is Required to use a Source from their country? So simple is prbably best as you say. I do Like the Unusual Fonck scheme! A good choice for the early version, along with Mine 8)
RAGIII
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This Avro 504 caught My eye: Unusual scheme 8)
RAGIII
(https://i.postimg.cc/TPGjZrcf/AVRO504-K-3.jpg)
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Sopwith 11/2 Strutter:
(http://www.danskemodelbyggere.dk/forum/gallery/7698-190920172801.jpeg)
French Sopwith 1A2 #1056 in the markings of Escadrille 36
For the SPAD XIII, I think we are missing the 93rd Aero Squadron?
(http://www.danskemodelbyggere.dk/forum/gallery/7698-190920172701.png)
(http://www.danskemodelbyggere.dk/forum/gallery/7698-190920172724.jpeg)
The iconic 'Indian Head'
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1 1/2 Strutter „Ariel“ with which Capt. Beauchamp raided Essen and Munich in 1916!!!
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I'll second a polish spad and any other ww1 planes with Polish national colours
Cheers
Andrew
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I have to amend my suggestion to "All of the above" :-)
That said I hope the AM decal makers are paying attention.
As Rick pointed out "I agree about the decals but if things are still the same Roden is Required to use a Source from their country? "
If Roden is stuck with a less than stellar decal source. I sure hope the AM guys read this thread carefully.
sp
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I don't really know the answer to that question, but ICM (also from Ukraine) used to have decals very similar to Roden's earlier ones, flat and very brittle and transparant. Their newer ones are much improved, so it could apparently be done, though ICM decals don't state where they're made. That said, the newer Roden decals, while not Cartograf either, are also much better than the old ones which either shattered on contact with water, would flake off, or not confirm to any shape other than a flat wing at all.
An early SPAD with decent SPA48, 73, 103 and Baracca decals would be awesome! (but how about a British option? ;))
Jeroen
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All great suggestions! I’ve just skimmed pictures as need more time to read. This is great! Thanks Roden :)
A suggestion, although boring is:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/SPADXIIIguynemerweb.jpg
Edit: Scratch that just noticed it’s a SPAD VIi
Edit: this is a French SPAD XIII however
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eklljDtrMRY/VSzOzcUBHGI/AAAAAAAAwGM/pYqXe-O0ij8/s1600/dscvsvrgfvdfrgv.jpg)
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Take 2: something different you could have before and after capture
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/257/pics/59_3.jpg)
or
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/257/pics/59_1.jpg)
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Or Other allies: (PS I second any French, US, Italian suggestions already made.)
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/255/pics/65_1.jpg)
There is also a nice ‘Silver Wings’ Japanese version that might complement other countries post war versions.
There are various Belgian versions including Starburst in camouflage and doped canvas. These may only be SPAD VII but could be SPAD XIII
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/255/pics/66_1_b1.jpg)
(http://www.flugzeuginfo.net/acimages/spadxiiic1_belgianaf_sp-49_04_legermuseumbru13.jpg)
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A classic Avro
Plenty of pictures and on display QANTAS Museum https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Qantas
(http://qfom.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Avro-504K-3-3.jpg)
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Roden has already done a few interesting schemes from their 1/48 range
This site might have a few more interesting ideas for French and Belgian planes:
https://abpic.co.uk/pictures/model/Sopwith%201%201xSx2%20Strutter
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Just to repeat I support the Barraca / USAS and French aces options but here’s something completely different:
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/255/pics/137_2.jpg)
So MANY schemes for this bird. Can’t believe someone hasn’t done it, including WNW. Anyway, Good luck Roden! Plenty of opportunity for AM decal etc outfits here too. I will be getting as much as the budget allows (well maybe a bit more! ;D )
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Surely have to do Collishaw's 9407 from the Oberndorf raid?
S
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
i will build this one, one way or another.
also, Collishaw describes a single-seater bomber version. hopefully this kit will build both? if i have to pick one though i'd prefer the 2-seater. (attached is an Aussie example of the single-seat bomber).
another i'd build is the 45 Squadron ship of Geoffrey Hornblower Cock (what a name, huh). Cock was the top 1 1/2 Strutter ace with 13 kills.
i'd also be keen on Eastern Front/Russian Revolution schemes. the attached stripey one's pretty interesting (3rd Reconnaissance Aircraft Detachment of the 5th Army, Eastern Front, summer 1920). an option for skis would be nice as well, like the White Guards ship.
i'd also be keen on some French versions, the French used a lot of these ships and had some rather spectacular squadron insignia. that said i don't know much about the French ones so i don't have any specific ideas.
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i forgot to mention Matthew Frew's ship amongst the Strutters. it's another 45 Squadron ship.
i have no specific schemes in mind for the Avro 504, but i hope a single-seat night fighter home defense version is an option.
for SPADS, here's what i intend to build. most are French. many have been mentioned already. some of these schemes are pretty obvious (and necessary, because they're popular) choices:
1. Rene Fonck SPA103. essential.
2. Georges Madon, SPA38 (red fuselage)
3. Eddie Rickenbacker, 94th Aero Squadron
4. Gabriel Guerin, SPA15
5. Pierre Marinovich, SPA94
6. Armand de Turenne SPA12
7. Pavel Argenyev, SPA124
8. Marius Ambrogi, SPA90
Baracca would also be a great scheme and Copper State have a very nice Baracca figure to go with it.
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Do a good job on these please Mr Roden - I know you will, but let's have some good strut attachment points for example, because from all the suggestions above it looks like a good kit will sell in pretty large numbers!
I'll need several SPADs both square and round winged, a training 504k and a nightfighter, a two seat and single seat RFC Strutter and same for French ones.
How good to have a manufacturer produce the planes we've actually been asking for on our wish lists.
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Take 2: something different you could have before and after capture
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/257/pics/59_3.jpg)
or
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/257/pics/59_1.jpg)
Both of these look like SPAD VIIs (I always look at the rudder shape as I can hardly tell them apart in non-scaled profiles!), but I think it's more about the idea than the actual execution :)
I'm sure some XIIIs were captured as well :)
Some nice Strutter suggestions going on as well!
Jeroen
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Doh!
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Both of these look like SPAD VIIs (I always look at the rudder shape as I can hardly tell them apart in non-scaled profiles!), but I think it's more about the idea than the actual execution :)
I'm sure some XIIIs were captured as well :)
Some nice Strutter suggestions going on as well!
Jeroen
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On second look yes these are in fact VIIs. :-\
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I'd love to see the colourful SPAD XIII of Ltt Charles Nungesser.
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These are all great, I can't wait to see which get used. :D
I'd just like to speak up for Guynemer's early XIII, which I'll certainly want to build one way or another.
But I appreciate it isn't as colourful as the suggestions above, so hopefully it'll get included in after market decal offerings.
(Yes, I know it was included as one of the choices in Hobbycraft's old kit, I'm not sure very accurately.)
Anyway - good times ahead!
Mark
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These are all great, I can't wait to see which get used. :D
I'd just like to speak up for Guynemer's early XIII, which I'll certainly want to build one way or another.
But I appreciate it isn't as colourful as the suggestions above, so hopefully it'll get included in after market decal offerings.
(Yes, I know it was included as one of the choices in Hobbycraft's old kit, I'm not sure very accurately.)
Anyway - good times ahead!
Mark
I mentioned in an earlier post that there is a reason that Model Companies tend to do the "Well Known" Aces. I think Guynemers Early SPAD XIII should be included as it will be appealing to Non WW1 enthusiasts who recognize the Name and know his basic story. From My research and info gathered from friends in France, Hobby Craft Got things wrong on His Markings 8)
RAGIII
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A classic Avro
Plenty of pictures and on display QANTAS Museum https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Qantas
(http://qfom.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Avro-504K-3-3.jpg)
Please note the QANTAS Avro above had a Sunbeam engine.
In addition to the one suggested with Boomerang marking a training aircraft would be simple but appropriate:
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/93/pics/9_5.jpg)
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/93/pics/9_3.jpg)
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/93/pics/9_1.jpg)
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For more variants...something Portuguese
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/93/pics/11_6.jpg)
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/93/pics/11_5.jpg)
and Japanese...
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/93/pics/65_1.jpg)
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/93/pics/65_2.jpg)
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That first scheme shown by Gene K of SPA48 is a great one, and Barracca's is a must, as well as Guenemers'. (sp?). Regards, Pete in RI
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Apologies for taking this thread off course but but have Roden given any indication so far that they might be reviving their 1/72 range as well, or are they just stepping in to fill the 1/32 hole left by the demise of WNW?
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Hi Seahawk
Roden have indicated to us that at this time, as they explore the viability of resuming WW1 kit production, they are focusing on 1/32 scale first.
They have not ruled out 1/72 or 1/48 but want to see how the market goes first with 1/32.
cheers
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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Has anyone mentioned the 1 1/2 strutters configured as single seat nightfighters, with dual Lewis guns mounted on the upper wing
This article on modelingmadness has a 1/48th roden build. So Roden have a history with the variant.
https://modelingmadness.com/review/w1/gb/moorestrut.htm (https://modelingmadness.com/review/w1/gb/moorestrut.htm)
Sorry i find all the comic fighters really interesting and the 1 1/2 strutter was i think the first.
Ray
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Few more SPAD suggestions : Italian
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Spad_S.XIII%2C_Private_JP6364472.jpg)
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British (23 Squadron)
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/255/pics/9_1_b3.jpg)
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French
(http://patrick-pallier.e-monsite.com/medias/images/un-spad-13-de-la-spa-15.jpg)
Printscale does some interesting SPAD decals including big dog for Levy a/c http://www.printscale.org/product_143.html
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That crocodile on the Printscale sheet is neat too :)
I do wonder why they put the more or less exotic S.XII and S.XVII on that sheet. (I'd love a Roden S.XVII but I'm probably the only one!)
Jeroen
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That crocodile on the Printscale sheet is neat too :)
I do wonder why they put the more or less exotic S.XII and S.XVII on that sheet. (I'd love a Roden S.XVII but I'm probably the only one!)
Jeroen
You are not alone but considering the Small number made, and the even smaller number of known schemes My fear would be that it would not be a large seller. Pretty much the same issue as an SXII! JMHO,
RAGIII
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That crocodile on the Printscale sheet is neat too :)
Leon Bourjade's ship!
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Yes it’s pretty cool. I’ll have to learn more about French pilots.
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Yes it’s pretty cool. I’ll have to learn more about French pilots.
many interesting stories there.
good place to start:
http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/france/index.php
little bios, awards, etc of the aces. and the forum is good, a lot of times people who wrote the reference books answer questions.
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Yes it’s pretty cool. I’ll have to learn more about French pilots.
many interesting stories there.
good place to start:
http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/france/index.php
little bios, awards, etc of the aces. and the forum is good, a lot of times people who wrote the reference books answer questions.
Thanks Jeff, will do that now!
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For a SPAD XIII, I'd love to see Fernand Chavannes, spider adorned plane of SPA.112.
/Mikael
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That crocodile on the Printscale sheet is neat too :)
Leon Bourjade's ship!
Thanks! Interesting character he was, too :)
Roden would do well to browse as14-18.net, though in French not everyone may be able to read, there are a lot of nice schemes hidden in there. :)
There are French Sopwith Strutter schemes hidden in there, as well.
Jeroen
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That crocodile on the Printscale sheet is neat too :)
I do wonder why they put the more or less exotic S.XII and S.XVII on that sheet. (I'd love a Roden S.XVII but I'm probably the only one!)
Jeroen
You are not alone but considering the Small number made, and the even smaller number of known schemes My fear would be that it would not be a large seller. Pretty much the same issue as an SXII! JMHO,
RAGIII
Yes, definately true, though Roden did give us the Siemens-Schuckert D.III and IV, and Mikro-Mir the Fokker E.V/D.VIII of which there weren't all that much built either. But they had much more interesting paint schemes and appeal, rather than being (simply put) a beefed up rounded SPAD.XIII with pretty much the same 5-colour camouflage and personal markings as the XIII... Hopefully the newly announced kits generate a pile of money until Roden no longer knows what to do with it, so they can do the XVII for us two! ;D ;D ;D
Jeroen
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I have been ruminating on the colour schemes... The Spad 13 schemes proposed so far are great, but Roden should maybe have one famous French ace and a few lesser known pilots per boxing, and release more than two boxings... there are so many options! The One-and-a-half Strutter has me really fired up! We mustn't forget that Roden have done many boxings of this famous plane in 1/48th - a really good kits they are!The research was done really well. Roden refined and improved the moulds as they went along and the Comic is a hum-dinger! For colour schemes the Windsock Datafile 34 is a treasure chest - that French plane from Esc. Sop. 226 on the cover (a stunning painting by Brian Knight) is simply gorgeous - who doesn't love the hatching chicken with the binoculars?? The rear colour profiles are just so wonderful too... The box top here is from the 1/48th Comic - I worked a little on the info in the left bottom corner! Please forgive me, Mr Roden!
(https://iili.io/2U6Pst.jpg)
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SPAD XIII:
I would really, really love to see a flock of USAS 94th Aero Squadron SHOWBIRDS! 9 (nine!) different and gaudy colour-schemes:
https://www.google.de/search?tbm=isch&source=hp&ei=dSx_X6N2wYmXBIugsKAN&q=spad+xiii+usas+showbirds+1919&oq=SPAD+Show&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQARgAMgYIABAIEB46BQgAELEDOgIIADoECAAQGDoGCAAQChAYUK4SWPsrYMM2aABwAHgAgAGJAYgBogiSAQMxLjiYAQCgAQGwAQA&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img
So, PLEASE, Roden, PLEASE!
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They are some really cool and nice Belgian Farman colors.
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I have been ruminating on the colour schemes... The Spad 13 schemes proposed so far are great, but Roden should maybe have one famous French ace and a few lesser known pilots per boxing, and release more than two boxings... there are so many options!
the idea's good but for single seaters, they'd be wiser to not go so lean on aces.
a forum like this of hardcore enthusiasts will likely come up with some pretty obscure stuff---that won't have wider appeal. i think the relative obscurity of the markings options had a lot to do with the WNW SE5a taking so long to sell out.
the Meng DR.1 is either selling like crazy, or retailers didn't stock enough. i'm seeing it sold out at some online sellers already. i think the ratio on the Copper State Nieuport is about right. one super famous ace, some lesser known aces, and a couple of fairly obscure schemes.
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SPAD XIII:
I would really, really love to see a flock of USAS 94th Aero Squadron SHOWBIRDS! 9 (nine!) different and gaudy colour-schemes:
https://www.google.de/search?tbm=isch&source=hp&ei=dSx_X6N2wYmXBIugsKAN&q=spad+xiii+usas+showbirds+1919&oq=SPAD+Show&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQARgAMgYIABAIEB46BQgAELEDOgIIADoECAAQGDoGCAAQChAYUK4SWPsrYMM2aABwAHgAgAGJAYgBogiSAQMxLjiYAQCgAQGwAQA&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img
So, PLEASE, Roden, PLEASE!
Wow!
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It seems every time a SPAD 13 comes out, we see Rickenbacker, Luke, Barracca, and Turrenne.
As the Cockades are the largest decals, I would lean towards national boxings: i.e. USAS, with 94, 95, 27 PS options among others, French 'Storks' which would include Foncke and Guynemer, non-Storks boxing, RFC boxing, etc. Keep in mind, this has to be boxed with the correct parts, such as wingtips, panel options etc. If Roden needs to reach out to SPAD experts and restorers, they should and follow some of the tricks use to allow for updates to be used seamlessly.
Leave room for the decal makers too!
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It seems every time a SPAD 13 comes out, we see Rickenbacker, Luke, Barracca, and Turrenne.
As the Cockades are the largest decals, I would lean towards national boxings: i.e. USAS, with 94, 95, 27 PS options among others, French 'Storks' which would include Foncke and Guynemer, non-Storks boxing, RFC boxing, etc. Keep in mind, this has to be boxed with the correct parts, such as wingtips, panel options etc. If Roden needs to reach out to SPAD experts and restorers, they should and follow some of the tricks use to allow for updates to be used seamlessly.
Leave room for the decal makers too!
I agree although like I said, the Aces sell kits to those that are only Marginally into WW1 stuff. One could go nuts with different versions and certain differences in SPAD production. For instance the seat has major differences between a SPAD and Kelner built version vs a Bleriot version. I hope Roden does reach out to those who know and provide the parts needed. That being said if it is not perfect it leaves room for aftermarket conversions 8)
RAGIII
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It seems every time a SPAD 13 comes out, we see Rickenbacker, Luke, Barracca, and Turrenne.
As the Cockades are the largest decals, I would lean towards national boxings: i.e. USAS, with 94, 95, 27 PS options among others, French 'Storks' which would include Foncke and Guynemer, non-Storks boxing, RFC boxing, etc. Keep in mind, this has to be boxed with the correct parts, such as wingtips, panel options etc. If Roden needs to reach out to SPAD experts and restorers, they should and follow some of the tricks use to allow for updates to be used seamlessly.
Leave room for the decal makers too!
that would be brilliant. not unprecedented, either, they did multiple boxings of the VII.
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There are lots of Avro 504 colour schemes - I hope Roden do more than a few! The South African Air Force used them as trainers from 1920 well into the 30's - all powered by Clerget 130 Hp engines - apparently a bit "detuned" for reliability. A single example had a four colour roundel with orange it it, this was deemed unsuitable and the four colour roundel on this Airfix kit adopted - colourful and handsome! This gave way to a three colour roundel with orange (centre) white and blue and finally to a 3 digit number on the fuselage and orange, white blue rudder stripes - Roden could easily squeeze that into the corner of the decal sheet! There was a good article in Windsock on these schemes, I just can't find it now! This model in the picture was made by one of our club members - pretty accurate, I think... I will happily do more research (for free) for Roden if they need it....
(https://iili.io/24h5wg.jpg)
Regards,
Marc
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Yes it’s pretty cool. I’ll have to learn more about French pilots.
Excellent overview of the full spectrum--the ordinary pilots as well as the aces.
https://www.amazon.com/Kings-Air-French-Airmen-Great/dp/1783463384
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51Bxz0YrslL._SX335_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
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HA! I am reading that right now. Great book, lots of background and operational info for the French Airforce. Well worth your time. Regards, Pete in RI
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Yes it’s pretty cool. I’ll have to learn more about French pilots.
Excellent overview of the full spectrum--the ordinary pilots as well as the aces.
https://www.amazon.com/Kings-Air-French-Airmen-Great/dp/1783463384
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51Bxz0YrslL._SX335_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
Thanks! Great heads up- ordered a copy.
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1 1/2 Strutter „Ariel“ in which Captain Beauchamp flew a bomb-raid on Essen (Krupp steel-works) in Germany in 1916!! He also did an even more spectacular bomb raid on Munich, Bavaria, later that year: Took off in France in the morning, dropped bombs on Munich at noon, crossed the Alps (!) and landed in Venice, Italy, for supper!