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Title: Pick your own markings for CSM NIeuport RFC Service
Post by: Edgar on August 13, 2020, 06:19:51 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/z29FCK2/rfc.jpg)

And we have picked three markings


We are offering you to suggest RFC markings for our Nieuport,
The winner gets a free RFC Nieuport kit

Important rules:
1. No A. Ball's markings
2. No markings starting with a letter A, those are the Nieuports with different engine cowl (early types)[/list]
Title: Re: Pick your own markings for CSM NIeuport RFC Service
Post by: Brad Cancian on August 13, 2020, 07:27:48 PM
Brilliant idea Edgar, and very generous - I love it!

I have some ideas, but as a moderator i'll stay out of it. C'mon folks, have at at! This is a fantastic opportunity to influence a major release and win a prize in the process! Wonderful!

Cheers,

BC

Title: Re: Pick your own markings for CSM NIeuport RFC Service
Post by: Mike Norris on August 13, 2020, 08:20:57 PM
Hi all,
Not such an easy task, given the restriction of a Nieuport 23, RFC only and not an 'A' series aircraft.
There's plenty of profiles or photographs around for other Nieuport types, but few and far between for the 23 in RFC service.
Hopefully someone will turn up with a profile worthy of CSM's model,

Mike
Title: Re: Pick your own markings for CSM NIeuport RFC Service
Post by: Sass on August 13, 2020, 08:22:22 PM
Go for the B 3459, after all he brought don a J1. Think it’s a great idea. Built lots of Wingnut Wings ( am I allowed to mention the competition ( deceased) ) but not a Niupeuport so next on my list once I’ve finished backlog. However the completed ones have pride of place in the man cave and half at least have CSM’s crew inside.
Title: Re: Pick your own markings for CSM NIeuport RFC Service
Post by: Mike Norris on August 13, 2020, 08:38:00 PM
Go for the B 3459, after all he brought don a J1. Think it’s a great idea. Built lots of Wingnut Wings ( am I allowed to mention the competition ( deceased) ) but not a Niupeuport so next on my list once I’ve finished backlog. However the completed ones have pride of place in the man cave and half at least have CSM’s crew inside.

Hi Saas,
I think the idea is suggestions for a fourth scheme to go with the three CSM have selected,

Mike
Title: Re: Pick your own markings for CSM NIeuport RFC Service
Post by: petrov27 on August 13, 2020, 09:41:18 PM
Flight leader A S Shepherd flew B1504 marked 1 C and scored 9 of his 10 victories in it. I think these look pretty good with the fancy fuselage number/letter and the red band

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d4/f3/ea/d4f3ea313812ceb8550c3addb39b4eba.jpg)
Title: Re: Pick your own markings for CSM NIeuport RFC Service
Post by: Edgar on August 13, 2020, 10:16:33 PM
Nieuport 17 is possible as well, but that Nieuport should have only regular engine cowl and not horseshoe cowl
Title: Re: Pick your own markings for CSM NIeuport RFC Service
Post by: Kit on August 13, 2020, 10:37:08 PM
Two 60 SQN suggestions; Nieuport 23 B1575 flown by Alan Scott MC, author of 60 Squadron.  Or B1654 60 SQN - Between 14 June 1917 and 15 July 1917 Keith Caldwell claimed 6 Albatros DIII in it.
Title: Re: Pick your own markings for CSM NIeuport RFC Service
Post by: Kreston on August 13, 2020, 11:37:51 PM
Nieuport 23 B1597 of 2Lt GD Hunter.  Can be seen in Osprey's Aviation Elite Units Squadron 60 page 84.  Nice set of markings.  Plane was eventually lost when Hunter was shot down and wounded.
Title: Re: Pick your own markings for CSM NIeuport RFC Service
Post by: Vickers on August 13, 2020, 11:41:11 PM
I'll second Kit's motion for the Caldwell option!
Title: Re: Pick your own markings for CSM NIeuport RFC Service
Post by: PrzemoL on August 13, 2020, 11:56:29 PM
How about another Mannock's machine - B3607 with yellow spinner - colour scheme 6 (photo in Page 28) in Norman Franks Osprey Aces No. 33.
Title: Re: Pick your own markings for CSM NIeuport RFC Service
Post by: RAGIII on August 14, 2020, 12:23:59 AM
Although I don't have a reference photo how about something different. As all of the others are aluminum why not do B 3578 of 29 squadron. PC 10 upper surfaces white "B" on the fuselage. ( Eduard Models featured this one in one of their releases profile drawing in their instructions.). Laurence Kert failed to return from a mission in this aircraft in Nov. 1917. There must be a photo somewhere for reference  8)
RAGIII
Title: Re: Pick your own markings for CSM NIeuport RFC Service
Post by: Jeff K on August 14, 2020, 02:39:44 AM
what i'd like to see is Tom Falcon Hazell's ship. B1649 or B3455.

i don't know if this is a '17 or '23 as i don't yet have the Cross and Cockade RFC Nieuport book.

Hazell was a notable ace, 43 claims, 20 in nieuports.
Title: Re: Pick your own markings for CSM NIeuport RFC Service
Post by: Kit on August 14, 2020, 05:09:16 AM
Next suggestion ; There are enough good ideas here for two whole sets of decals.   Just as with the Italian decals, could it be worth doing a set of decals that could be bought as an extra, with some of these additional options on it?  Perhaps some other nations as well?
Title: Re: Pick your own markings for CSM NIeuport RFC Service
Post by: RAGIII on August 14, 2020, 11:50:40 AM
Next suggestion ; There are enough good ideas here for two whole sets of decals.   Just as with the Italian decals, could it be worth doing a set of decals that could be bought as an extra, with some of these additional options on it?  Perhaps some other nations as well?

Personally I wouldn't mind seeing someone do some Storks and Lafayette Escadrille Markings. That being said I hope it is Copper State.
RAGIII
Title: Re: Pick your own markings for CSM NIeuport RFC Service
Post by: Jeff K on August 14, 2020, 12:51:15 PM
Next suggestion ; There are enough good ideas here for two whole sets of decals.   Just as with the Italian decals, could it be worth doing a set of decals that could be bought as an extra, with some of these additional options on it?  Perhaps some other nations as well?

Personally I wouldn't mind seeing someone do some Storks and Lafayette Escadrille Markings. That being said I hope it is Copper State.
RAGIII
i'd be very keen on this, especially Storks.

i have plans to order 11 more CSM Nieuports, i could add to that (i'm one of those driven by the pilot/story of a particular ship more than aircraft type, aircraft beauty, or engineering marvels)
Title: Re: Pick your own markings for CSM NIeuport RFC Service
Post by: Jeff K on August 14, 2020, 12:52:27 PM
also, if Tom Falcon Hazell flew the wrong kind of Nieuport i'd be interested in Keith Caldwell's, but Hazell must have flown a lot of Nieuports.

Title: Re: Pick your own markings for CSM NIeuport RFC Service
Post by: Dave J on August 14, 2020, 05:03:18 PM
I was going to say Sous-lieutenant Marcel Robert Bloch with the Rocking Horse on the side of it.. Once I clicked post I saw it had to be an RFC machine... So that rules that one out :o

I thought Caldwell only flew the Nieuport 17 with No.60 Squadron.

Title: Re: Pick your own markings for CSM NIeuport RFC Service
Post by: kellerkind on August 14, 2020, 09:29:08 PM
I have two ideas to this:
1. what is with an "training aircraft machine"? Like this ones (I know, the sample pics shown no Nieports but perhaps there are some machines they used for training) I like the unusual colorfull scheme.
2. What ist with a "caprtured by te Germans" machine?

Best regards,
Martin

pics found here on FB: https://www.facebook.com/MontroseAirStation/posts/3003707453040703?__cft__[0]=AZUcL0-y91xgv2Fa766oP2nevTC_PDrS5Vih0kfxY8sJA4Sx_y4Lsd8ZzaSXUJKGQDdHmdUaaIyIkMv0KL44k0_t4B51GhEDG9LpebrhF4QMMGdcekhV_JvB4M2FsczQZZB792X_nYBIbWLVksG0AsKu6pxk2prJydJo04tuJPXerLSJIWNJb3jycufmLue1agQ&__tn__=-UC%2CP-R
Title: Re: Pick your own markings for CSM NIeuport RFC Service
Post by: jeroen_R90S on August 15, 2020, 05:39:25 AM
Since there are already three "aces", I'd like to suggest something else; on page 20 of the Osprey Jasta 18 Red Noses book there are two photographs of a Nieuport A6678 (although an A machine it is captioned as a XXIII, but I'm not sure of the differences in cowl design. The photo clearly shows the type of cowl but I'm not sure what to look for)
This aircraft was brought down by Ltn. Paul Strähle for his seventh victory, unfortunately the pilot (LT Anthony) died from his wounds in a German hospital. This scheme would be a tribute to all those lesser or unknow pilots who risked their lives but did not live to see the Armistice.

Jeroen
Title: Re: Pick your own markings for CSM NIeuport RFC Service
Post by: Pup7309 on August 15, 2020, 12:40:00 PM
Next suggestion ; There are enough good ideas here for two whole sets of decals.   Just as with the Italian decals, could it be worth doing a set of decals that could be bought as an extra, with some of these additional options on it?  Perhaps some other nations as well?

Personally I wouldn't mind seeing someone do some Storks and Lafayette Escadrille Markings. That being said I hope it is Copper State.
RAGIII
Nice idea
Title: Re: Pick your own markings for CSM NIeuport RFC Service
Post by: Pup7309 on August 15, 2020, 12:46:21 PM
Since there are already three "aces", I'd like to suggest something else; on page 20 of the Osprey Jasta 18 Red Noses book there are two photographs of a Nieuport A6678 (although an A machine it is captioned as a XXIII, but I'm not sure of the differences in cowl design. The photo clearly shows the type of cowl but I'm not sure what to look for)
This aircraft was brought down by Ltn. Paul Strähle for his seventh victory, unfortunately the pilot (LT Anthony) died from his wounds in a German hospital. This scheme would be a tribute to all those lesser or unknow pilots who risked their lives but did not live to see the Armistice.

Jeroen
Yes thanks a tribute to the more unknown/ fallen to balance with bullshit artist Bishop.
Apologies in advance. You can take or leave this view/opinion.
PS found some interesting (camo) scheme for N 27 but not much for N 23/4. I’m happy with the current schemes and Ball but will have another look. Best of luck gentlemen! Daz out
Title: Re: Pick your own markings for CSM NIeuport RFC Service
Post by: jeroen_R90S on August 15, 2020, 03:47:34 PM
I just hope it has the right cowling (being an "A" series aircraft).
Does anyone know what to look for? (might also be of interest for aftermarket decals or masks?)