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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => What's New => Topic started by: Dave W on May 31, 2020, 03:22:55 PM
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With the unexpected closure of Wingnut Wings there's considerable concern in our hobby that production of new WW1 subjects could now decline.
Our forum friends Roden of the Ukraine were market leaders for WW1 subjects long before Wingnuts appeared and their catalogue of 1/72, 1/48 and 1/32 scale kits are constantly in production. However after the arrival of WnW Roden stepped back from new WW1 kit subjects.
Now they are showing interest in returning to the WW1 genre and Roden have advised me it's quite possible they will now resume their WW1 kit range.
So let's help them with a Forum poll of the WW1 kits you would like Roden to produce, and most importantly, the kits you would buy. Wish list polls are useful to manufacturers to gauge potential sales so here's a chance for Forum members to help Roden decide if they want to resume their WW1 production.
Please indicate the WW1 subjects you would like to see (buy) and your preferred scale(s). Seeing as this is a non-binding poll it's okay to nominate the same subject across two or three scales.
I will convey the responses to Roden and let's hope our membership can help influence a whole new era in WW1 model kits.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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I would love to see:
Hansa Brandenberg D.I
Aviatik D.I or anything else from Austria-Hungary
Morane Salnier type N
in 1/48 or 1/32, makes no differance to me.
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My wants:
1/72 - Neuport 28 C.1
1/48 - Junkers J.1 or CL.1
Sopwith Pup
1/32 - Spad XIII C.1
Hanriot HD.1
I can only hope,
Kevin
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Anything at all in 1/32.
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In 1:32 scale preferable, but I would buy any of these in any scale.
American DH.4 Liberty Plane (including USMC markings)
Curtiss JN.4
Standard J
The above 3 with extra parts on the sprues and decals to make post war barnstormers as well as wartime trainers.
Curtiss N.9h
Dorand AR (Including US markings)
Caproni Ca.3 (Including extra parts and markings for La Guardia's machine)
Be.2c
Over and above new subjects, I would like to see Roden take some lessons from WnW to heart and offer better instructions including more references and better painting info, sturdier boxing, (My Roden 1/32 Sop Tripe arrived with broken pieces) and better decals. Not that I haven't seen much worse, but Roden surely has room for improvement in all these areas.
Well, ya asked what I wanted....
sp
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1/48:
Sopwith Pup
Albatros C.VII/C.X
Martinsyde Elephant
1/32:
Hanriot HD.1
Sopwith 11/2 Strutter
Halberstadt D.II
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These are great news.
I would be happy if they would upscale their 1:48 Be2c to 1:32. The same would be really welcome with their Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter.
I would buy anything they release WWI in 1:32, but a Halberstadt D. II, a Morane Saulnier BB and/or P, a Farman, Voisin or Caudron would be most welcome.
Andreas
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In 1/32:Halberstadt DII,Be2c,DH5,Hanriot and anything else French or Austro-Hungarian.
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What welcome news. Although they've had some poor responses from some of our members, I've got all the 1/32 kits and am perfectly happy with them, seeing no need for the WNW Dr.I for example. For sure some of their lozenge decals are poor, but so are some of WNW.
Maybe we'll appreciate our old friends again if they step back into the breach.
It would be good if they upscaled their 1/48 two seaters and might be a relatively easy way in.
However if they start with single seaters, howz about an Albatros W.4 and a SPAD XIII. That would continue their existing Alb and SPAD lines, then maybe a Hanriot?
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I don't see this as much of an opportunity to ask for the weird or unusual. And I won't rig anything smaller than 1/32.
So, here is stuff I would buy from Roden:
Fokker Dr. I and D.VII and D.VIII
Albatros D.II, D.III, And D.V/Va
Pfalz D.III and D.IIIa
Nieuport 11 and 17
Spad 7 and 13
Sopwith Camel, and Triplane
Fe2B, and DH2
Se 5A
Oeffag 253
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Reissue all of the 1/32 kits they have already produced would be a great start!
Richard
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Hi Dave - glad you put this one up ;D As a 1/72 and 1/48 scale guy, I would very much welcome and be excited by any release in these scales. Roden's moulding technology has come a long way from the early 2000's when they first made their mark.
There are many esoteric choices I could put forward, and would dearly love to see, but I am a bit too much of a realist to suggest them. Many probably wouldn't be popular enough to see a decent return. For Roden, I would think that there would need to be a decent chance for a well-selling subject to help lure them back into the WW1 realm. They would be well served in not repeating subjects already kitted by other manufacturers like WNW or CSM. Some preferences / suggestions from me:
1/72:
- R.E.8 - the 50s airfix kit is in need of replacement.
- I second a new Nieuport 28 - having built the old Revell kit, we're in dire need of an update. Some nice USAS colour choices here too.
- Sopwith Pup - we have the HR kit and old airfix kit - the former is hard to get hold of and the latter is rather old and inaccurate - lots of colour choices here; it would make a popular subject, I think.
- Roland C.II - the old airfix kit is ancient and inaccurate. I think this would be popular given relatively simple layout and interesting markings.
- Hannover CL.III - as above.
1/48:
- Sopwith pup (there seems to be some ground swell for this from what I can see above...) - the Eduard kit is old and in dire need of a refresh. The Aeroclub kit is hard to come by. I think this could be quite popular if offered with standard and Whitehead cowls. Again, many paint options!
- R.E.8 - the old Aeroclub kit is in dire need of a modern update - the RE8 would probably be a popular two seater.
- Finish off their plans from way back when for a BE2e!
- Avro 504 - plenty of interesting schemes here.
- DH9a... ok that's probably asking too much :)
- A Halberstalt D model - Eduard promised us a D.V way back when and it never materialised. The old Blue Max kit is nice but needs lots of work.
- Maybe a new Hannover CL.III, Rumpler, Albatros or LVG German two seater; these seemed to be popular in the larger scale and would be a nice counter in Roden's catalogue to their British two-seaters.
I would be a very happy chap if any of these made it to fruition.
I am sure i'll think of more as the red wine sets in.... :D
Cheers,
BC
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For me, it would have to be 32nd... I would like to see them update some tooling on the older kits or redo them like the Dr.1 and Early Albatross. Or maybe some new SPADS
I don't think it's a wise move at this stage in looking at the subjects that have been kitted by WNW... Some of these kits will be around for a while.
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Wow! Easy answer to your question: I'll buy anything they produce! I am a fan of their models, I think they can be tarted up with little effort and look spectacular... But as they asked, here are a few subjects that really need doing:
1/72; Nieuport 24/27, Nieuport 28, Curtiss Jenny, New Roland would be nice... single seat or two seat!
1/48; Avro 504, Aviatik D1 (or Anything Austro-Hungarian! Albatrosses too please!), Sopwith Pup
1/32 Hanriot HD1, Sopwith 1 and a half Strutter (lots of options!), Halberstadt DII, DH 5, DH 4, Nieuport 10/11, Curtiss Jenny, Avro 504, Bleriot XI, FE 8, and a lot more will come to mind as I celebrate with a Heineken...
Happy Modelling days...
Marc
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All 1/32 -
Friedrichshafen G.III
Friedrichshafen 33
Farmen
Voisin
Nieuport 11
Hanriot HD.1
Any Austro-Hungarian Aircraft
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1/32
Friedrichshafen FF33
Spad 13
Albatros D.III Oef
Aviatik D.I Berg
RAF FE.8
RAF BE.2c
Bristol Scout C
Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter
Hanriot HD.1
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I'm only interested in 1/72 kits, and though it's unlikely that these will be affected by the closure of WNW, here is my list. These are popular subjects that were once produced and it's time for modern ones:
Morane Saulnier N
Morane Saulnier L
LFG Roland C.II
AVRO 504
Airco D.H.2
Nieuport 28
Sopwith Pup
Handley Page O/400
Hannover CL.III
Hanriot HD.1 & 2
My personal choice, very unlikely to be re-produced (but who knows - we now have a new Sopwith Swallow):
Fokker D.II & D.III
Fokker D.V
Hansa Brandenburg C.I
RAF F.E.2b
Airco D.H.10
Caudron R.11
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I would like to see anything WW1 but specifically: All 1/32nd
1. Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter.
2. SPAD 13
3. BE12
I am glad to see Roden is thinking about this again but Hope there is Communication so there is NO direct competition with CSM and others. I don't want to see another company driven out of the Market like Roden was originally by WNW !
JMHO,
RAGIII
PS: I have been thinking of building some 1/72nd two seaters due to space and Cost limitations. So some 1/72nd kits like the RE8, SPAD 11 or 16, Halberstadts, DFW, Rumpler etc.
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Will pretty much take anything in 1/48 or 1/32 scale , however with that said . Some fresh types not done before ( French , Italian , AH or re-tooling on their older kits in 32 scale .
Terri
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Many types have been either under-represented or would benefit from modern engineering, but if I were to suggest a couple that I know for a fact that I would buy then my top 5 would be:
1/48th:
Halberstadt D series
Roland D-II
Vickers Gunbus
1/32nd:
Hanriot HD.1
Phönix D.I/II
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All in 1/48th scale:
DH9a
Voisin III
Breguet 14 variants early and late A and B
Fe2B pusher with modular design so they could introduce other fuselage versions of early and late models. Maybe single seat conversions.
There were over a thousand types of WWI aircraft built so lots for Roden to choose from.
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For me it's 1/32 scale
BE2c
Bristol Fighter
Bristol Scout
I was hoping WNW would release a Bristol Scout, TVAL supplied an engine to The Shuttleworth Collection for theirs and TVAL head test pilot was the first to fly it. My hopes were high!
Richie
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For me,
all 1/32 scale
American DH.4 Liberty plane, w/post war mail plane option
AVRO 504
Fokker Dr VIII
I hope their interest in returning to WW1 is sincere.
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I just hope they would try to coordinate some with CSM so they do not overlap and impact each other's releases.
On that note, I hope either Roden or CSM produce 1/32:
Hanriot HD1
Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter
SPAD XIII
Halberstadt Cl4
Albatros DIII OEFFAG
a retool/improvement of the Roden Fokker DrI to address some of its errors would be nice assuming the WNW kit is dead completely (no one is getting the moulds or they were not far enough along....)
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Przemo and Richie, lovely choices, but thanks for reminding me, The Bristol Scout in 1/32!
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1:32 -
Two which wouldn't be too much of a stretch, closely related to existing kits:
Albatros/Oeffag D.III 153 (just the thought of all those lovely schemes!)
SSW D.IV
The (for me, anyway) two major single seaters no one's ever offered in this scale:
Hanriot HD.1
Halberstadt D type
And the most prominent type currently which has been kitted but is very hard to get hold of, and badly needs an update anyway:
SPAD XIII
1:72 -
I'm not really expecting this one, it's a personal whim:
Staaken R.VI R.30
(This was the one with an extra engine as a supercharger. If you look carefully at the sprues for the other R.VI kits, Roden clearly had such a kit in mind, but I guess the first two didn't sell well enough. Pity - two possible schemes; a wartime one, and the scheme it wore for a post-war film)
Cheers, Mark
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Would be great if they got back in the game. I would love to see a 1:32 Albatros/Oeffag D.III (all versions). Also if they could release the Albatros D.III wing sprue with offset radiator and associated parts, that would be nice.
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I would buy all not yet existing kits in 1/48.
There are so many interesting types e.g. from Austro-Hungarian and French, but also from other nation.
Eduard wants to do a new Camel in 1/48 this year?! I think we have already a acceptable Camel, but so many other types without a kit.
Cheers,
Frank
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Interesting news from Roden.
In 1:32 of course
An easy release for them would be the Austro-Hungarian OEFFAG Albatrossen
Starting with the 153 and 253. Updating and building on their existing DIII kit.
(An Austro-Hungarian Albatross in 1:32 is by far my greatest wish from any modelling company)
A Lohner Type T
A Fokker EV would certianly be popular.
A SPAD XIII
/Mikael
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Reading some of these replies, you can tell we've been spoiled by WNW up until now.
I fear the days of relatively niche WWI machines appearing in 1\32 have gone. Roden will only kit an aeroplane when they forecast good profits. Hence, they've stuck to well known, single seat, single engined fighters, looking to release multiple boxing's of the same basic mould to sweat the costs as much as possible.
And they've never turned their nose up at sales by allowing kits to become sold out, something I'll never really understand WNW allowing as a matter of course - all that lost revenue?!
Roden could adopt the Eduard model - that WNW were trying to get towards - of releasing an "overtrees" kit of just the sprues, a standard kit of sprues, decals, & instructions, and a premium offering some of the now quite widely available AM in the box - machine guns, seatbelts, photo etch, turnbuckles, figures, extra decals, resin wheels & seats, Yahu panels, ez-line, wire wheels, painted props, etc. They did something like that with Encore's Albie, SE.5a & Dr.I, which had the basic Roden sprues with PE & resin extras.
This really could be an opportunity for Roden, WNW have abandoned the market in its entirety. Roden have dozens of 1\32 kit moulds to work with to get started, whilst perhaps looking to develop new kits - two seaters, seaplanes, post-war versions, etc.
It could get very exciting.
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This is great news to hear that Roden has taken back interest in producing WWI Aircraft. I hope that they can put the same quality and accuracy as WNW kits. For example for Siemens Schuckert D.III, I had to pay more in aftermarket upgrades that come in $$ more expensive than the Roden kit itself. I wouldn't mind paying extra for a well-produced kit. My wish list is mainly a 1/32 scale, but any scale would be welcome. Although my list is kind of more obscure, if they can produce at least some of them :
1) More Russian subjects:
- Ilya Muromets bomber, that will make justice to the defunct HP 0/400
- Sikorsky S-XVI ( it would be awesome)
-Spad S.A4 with wheels and /or skies
-Anatra DS
2) More AustroHungarian subject:
-Albatros D.III
-Hansa Brandenburg D.I
-Phonix CI
-Aviatik DI and DII
3) And finally more French and Italian subjects:
-Breguet XIV bomber
-Hanriot D.1
-Spad XIII
-Any Voisin bomber
-Any Caproni bomber
-Ansaldo Balilla
Thanks, Dave W. for the update and if you can also contact CSM for future plans on more WWI aircraft release
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Will be great to see new models on the market, if they will be 1/32 to fill WNW vacancy a H.D.1, an Aviatik Berg D.I, a Macchi M.5/Lohner, or a Caudron GIII will be welcome.
But if new 1/48 models will be coming I will be happier: a Caproni Ca3 will be the best, Hannover ClIII,Re 8, Avro 504k, any Taube, Bleriot XI, Voisin III will be great as well.
I hope they can manage at least one new mould in each scale.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Not that I have completed or really started a model in the last 10 years ::) (Nor did I ever get a WNW kit), my list would be:
Avro 504K
BE2C
Bristol Scout
1/48 or 1/32
Andrew
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Now all I buy is 1/32 I would like to see
Hanriot HD 1
Halberstadt D.II
Oeffag 253
Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter
Phonix D.I/II
Breguet 14
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It would be a waste for Roden to duplicate anything WNW has done. That said, I hope they up their game a bit. I'd like to see:
Sopwith Baby
SPAD XIII (two types)
Farman
Voisin
Bristol Boxkite
So, early war stuff mostly.
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It would be fantastic if they could produce
any Albatros C aircraft (e.g. C.III, C.V, C.X)
Albatros J.I
Albatros W.4
Friedrichshafen FF.33
LVG C.V
Be.2
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Anything in 1/72. Particularly a Nieuport 28, Hanroit HD 1, Roland C II, a retooling of their Pfalz D iii/ iiia, and some German two-seaters
(besides the Roland C II). Thanks Rodan.
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How about a 1/32 Otto Doppeldecker from 1915.....an early pusher biplane.
The German stuff always sells.
https://warnepieces.blogspot.com/2018/09/?view=classic (https://warnepieces.blogspot.com/2018/09/?view=classic)
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good news indeed!
i’ll go for Italian or Austro-Hungarian subjects and really early planes.... before 1914.... let8s hope...
ciao
edo
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I would like to see and buy a Sopwith Strutter, a BE-2c/e, a Vickers Gunbus, an AVRO 504 or a Breguet 14 in 32nd scale.
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1/32.
i also do 1/72, but not so much for WWI. i will never buy anything in 1/48 regardless of subject.
main 'dream kits' are (in order of preference, within each country). the ones i think would financially justify the tooling are in bold italic.
AustroHungarian
Oeffag Albatros D.III (they have a head start on this one!) i'd buy multiples.
Lohner M
Phonix D.I
Hansa Brandenburg C.I
French
SPAD XIII (i'd buy a lot)
SPAD XII (id' buy 3)
Hanriot HD.1 (I'd buy a lot)/i]
Breguet 14
Russian
Ilya Mouromets (hey a guy can dream. i'll probably do ICM's 1/72 at some point)
Grigorovich M.9
German
Roland D.II
Zeppelin-Staaken (pipe dream i know. i'll probably do their 1/72 one at some point)
English
DH.4 (!) (i'd buy at least 3)
1 1/2 Strutter (i'd buy at least 2)
DH.5 (ugly ol thing, but... i'd buy 3)
Martinsyde Elephant
BE2 (i'd buy one of each variant
Bristol Scout
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In 1/72:
Halberstadt D.II and D.III
Nieuport 28
Hanriot HD.1 and/or HD.2
Halberstadt CL.IV
RE8
Vickers FB5 Gunbus
RAF FE.2B
Salmson 2 A2
Hannover CL.II and CL.IIIa
Sopwith Dolphin
Rumpler C.IV
LFG Roland C.II
Cheers
Syd
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1/32:
Avro 504
DH.5
HD.1
1 1/2 strutter
Fok.D.VIII
I hope Roden can go on and produce new and exciting kits for our community. I wish them all the best for the future.
Cheers,
von B ;)
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I forgot one in 1/32nd scale that would be a fairly easy Modification: SE5.
RAGIII
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Great topic, great news Dave and Roden,
‘All of the above’
I agree about upgrades of various old kits in ‘72 & ‘48 such as Re8 and Sopwith Pup
and in 1/32 it would be good to see the obvious ones like Dr1 update, SPAD VIII and Hanriot HD1. Albatros DIII/Oeffag update might be nice too.
Personally I’d really like to see (Adriatic) Italian and Austro-Hungarian flying boats in ‘48/32 - Macchi M5, Lohner etc
Maybe F33 and Hansa Brandenburg’s W12/29.
A Zeppelin Staaken R.VI R.30 with Propeller nose? - well a guy can dream! but I can only see it done in 1/72. Even Wingnuts might not have been brave enough to do this in 1/32!
There are others but most have been mentioned. Maybe some biggies like AEG, Gotha, Felixstowe, G111, Junker JI or Caprioni even Fe2b in a smaller scale than 1/32
Anyway let’s hope CSM and Roden co-operate to bring us some new kits. The demand is there in the void WNW have left
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I forgot one in 1/32nd scale that would be a fairly easy Modification: SE5.
RAGIII
yeah that'd be popular. Albert Ball.
Roden don't shy away from ace's markings, so a good choice.
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Reading through this I forgot a couple of big wish list items:
1/32 Avro 504 and Vickers Gunbus.
Richie
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My wishlist for kits I would like Roden to tackle:
1) Royal Aircraft Factory B.E.2c
2) Short Admiralty Type 184
3) Curtiss JN-4 Jenny
4) Sopwith 1½ Strutter
5) Avro 504
A longshot: Friedrichshafen FF.49
Kent
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Reading through this I forgot a couple of big wish list items:
1/32 Avro 504 and Vickers Gunbus.
Richie
My exact suggestions, well done.
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My wishlist for kits I would like Roden to tackle:
1) Royal Aircraft Factory B.E.2c
2) Short Admiralty Type 184
3) Curtiss JN-4 Jenny
4) Sopwith 1½ Strutter
5) Avro 504
A longshot: Friedrichshafen FF.49
Kent
That's an interesting and considered list, The Shorts is an important aeroplane, and I doubt we will see that one kitted
I shall take your list of five, delete the 184 and substitute a SPAD XIII. The rest are serious omissions, I'm amazed e haven't had a 1/32 Jenny yet
Richard
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My wishlist for kits I would like Roden to tackle:
1) Royal Aircraft Factory B.E.2c
2) Short Admiralty Type 184
3) Curtiss JN-4 Jenny
4) Sopwith 1½ Strutter
5) Avro 504
A longshot: Friedrichshafen FF.49
Kent
That's an interesting and considered list, The Shorts is an important aeroplane, and I doubt we will see that one kitted
I shall take your list of five, delete the 184 and substitute a SPAD XIII. The rest are serious omissions, I'm amazed e haven't had a 1/32 Jenny yet
Richard
I agree reference the 184 and would add that the other very large Bombers suggested in other posts would be costly and and IMHO, limited in sales. Again My Opinion is do single seaters not available and Perhaps some of the Iconic two holers suggested. The Strutter is one that I think would rank in sales with the single seaters!
RAGIII
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There are some nice suggestions here.
I mentioned some obvious ones followed by more esoteric because Roden, I imagine, will initially be looking at money makers to get the ball rolling to finance others.
Whatever Roden, CSM etc bring out I’ll consider buying, just as long as they are decent kits and someone keeps the flag flying! I think there is a big opportunity for a model company here for WW1 in all scales now WNW has blazed through the sky.
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Another vote for a 1/32 Hanriot HD.1 ... with parts for the HD.2.
Gene K
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My wishlist for kits I would like Roden to tackle:
1) Royal Aircraft Factory B.E.2c
2) Short Admiralty Type 184
3) Curtiss JN-4 Jenny
4) Sopwith 1½ Strutter
5) Avro 504
A longshot: Friedrichshafen FF.49
Kent
That's an interesting and considered list, The Shorts is an important aeroplane, and I doubt we will see that one kitted
I shall take your list of five, delete the 184 and substitute a SPAD XIII. The rest are serious omissions, I'm amazed e haven't had a 1/32 Jenny yet
Richard
I agree reference the 184 and would add that the other very large Bombers suggested in other posts would be costly and and IMHO, limited in sales. Again My Opinion is do single seaters not available and Perhaps some of the Iconic two holers suggested. The Strutter is one that I think would rank in sales with the single seaters!
RAGIII
this. i can think of about 3 two seaters yet to be kitted that i would expect to sell well: 1 1/2 Strutter (really well), DH.4 (pretty well) Breguet 14 (pretty well).
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How about kits in the slightly larger scale of 1/24?
Surprised nobody has suggested it yet?
The kits would not be significantly larger than 1/32 and it is a whole lot easier to see what you are building in the slightly larger scale.
The old Revell 1/28th kits of the Dr.1, camel, DVII, Spad have been around for decades so they must sell?
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Trumpeter, etc. do 1/24. i'd never by anything that big that doesn't actually fly (picture a 1/24 SPAD dwarfing a 1/32 DH.9, not a good look), so i'm the wrong person to ask...
but i don't see a whole lot of people on the internet building those kits.
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How about kits in the slightly larger scale of 1/24?
Surprised nobody has suggested it yet?
The kits would not be significantly larger than 1/32 and it is a whole lot easier to see what you are building in the slightly larger scale.
The old Revell 1/28th kits of the Dr.1, camel, DVII, Spad have been around for decades so they must sell?
It's a niche within a niche. Sales would probably be far too low.
The old Revell kits must sell in small numbers. In all my time modelling, I've never seen one built.
Personally, I find 1:32 perfect for WWI kits. Big enough for tons of detail, but small enough to show & keep costs reasonable.
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Probably not seen many built cos they are old kits circa 1958 in the case of the DR.1 and have been somewhat eclipsed by the WWW Roden and CSM kits of the last decade.
I have built 5 Revell Dr.1’s over the years.
Try and find one to have a look,- you might be surprised it really is not that big, esp as the full size aircraft was quite small.
You might even find your 1/24 spad is a bit smaller than a 1/32 DH-9 and even smaller than a1/72 Staaken /Felixstowe by a fair margin.
If you had suggested a series of 1/32 biplanes just over a decade ago you probably would have been shouted down by the 1/48 1/72 afficionados as saying nobody in their right mind would pay over a hundred US for a 1/32 biplane.
Strange things markets and customers.
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If you had suggested a series of 1/32 biplanes just over a decade ago you probably would have been shouted down by the 1/48 1/72 afficionados as saying nobody in their right mind would pay over a hundred US for a 1/32 biplane.
Strange things markets and customers.
If you had said it ten years ago, the Roden DR.I would have been in production for about five years and selling. The Hobbycraft SPAD and Camel are older than that
Richard
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Probably not seen many built cos they are old kits circa 1958 in the case of the DR.1 and have been somewhat eclipsed by the WWW Roden and CSM kits of the last decade.
I have built 5 Revell Dr.1’s over the years.
Try and find one to have a look,- you might be surprised it really is not that big, esp as the full size aircraft was quite small.
You might even find your 1/24 spad is a bit smaller than a 1/32 DH-9 and even smaller than a1/72 Staaken /Felixstowe by a fair margin.
If you had suggested a series of 1/32 biplanes just over a decade ago you probably would have been shouted down by the 1/48 1/72 afficionados as saying nobody in their right mind would pay over a hundred US for a 1/32 biplane.
Strange things markets and customers.
I remember Roden when they started up their 1/32 WWI range, about 15 years ago. People generally raved about it & more kits were demanded - I certainly have no memory of any criticism of the scale, or of being "shouted down"?
Same with WNW launching in 2010. They started with four kits, and even then there was incessant demand for whatever people wanted for their next 1/32 WNW kits. Same as today!
WNW sell - or sold - all their single seaters for less than $100, some substantially less. Even their two seaters started off well under $100.
Maybe the corollary in WWII modelling is useful. 1/24 has been around a while, but the number of kits on offer is absolutely tiny compared to 1/32, and build logs are not commonplace.
1/24 might work, but because 1/32 is already fairly large, widely available & with massive choice - including AM - at cheaper prices, I can see why people stick with 1/32, whether WWII or WWI.
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I would be happy with anything but I think Roden needs to increase the quality of their injection molding process. I've had a few of their 1/32 Albatros D kits and they suffered from the dreaded banana shaped upper wing and other molding anomalies.
Mark
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I would be happy with anything but I think Roden needs to increase the quality of their injection molding process. I've had a few of their 1/32 Albatros D kits and they suffered from the dreaded banana shaped upper wing and other molding anomalies.
Mark
Leaning on Roden is not the path forward IMO.
I'd like to see CSM do a LOT more than they have done so far.
My hope remains that the team at WNW will re-materialize under different ownership.
Or that some of the key members of that team will join an existing company and bring it up to speed with the WNW approach to things.
Regarding specific planes, after so many years of English and German aircraft from WNW, I would LOVE to see some French and Italian stuff.
The WNW kit I wanted most of all never quite got there! The Fokker DR. I.
I'd love to see that produced as well--on a WNW level of quality.
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If they do come back into the 1/32 market, is it not more likely they'd do so with a single seater, since they're less expensive to mould, better price entry point in market and usually offer more colourful options to attract the non-specialist.
Their last offering was a ski variant of an existing kit, so maybe an Oeffag Albatros or the W4 would be an easy re-entry point utilising much they already have in the DI/III, or with a bit more work the SPAD XIII for mass sales!
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Wasn’t it a great thing that Roden asked us here what we‘d wish from them? I think yes, that’s something Wingnut Wings never did. I think it’s a simple question of politeness and respect not to start bashing Roden here. You don’t like their kits? Well, then don’t post here... you want that Dr. 1? Well, Roden offers one. If you wish to have it from WNW, ask Peter Jackson. But not in this thread.
Leaning on Roden is of course a path forward.
Andreas
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Folks, I have stayed in the background during this thread so members could voice their wishes for the kits they would buy if Roden resumed its WW1 production. But I am concerned at the tone that has crept into this thread. Andreas has just expressed exactly what I was thinking so my sincere thanks to him for his post.
We have a chance to influence a major WW1 model manufacturer to resume production of WW1 subjects. Please don't blow this with criticisms that could deter their decision. This thread is supposed to be about encouragement.
A bit of an editorial here now - the closure of Wingnut Wings took us all by surprise but we have to move on from that because the WW1 hobby is much bigger and far wider than any one manufacturer. Roden, for example, were well established long before Wingnuts appeared and they are still here and their catalogue covers 1/72, 1/48 and 1/32 scale, something Wingnuts never did. So please let's support Roden not bash them.
Those fondly expecting the Wingnuts DR.1 or other kits to pop up under a different brand will be disappointed. Don't expect any of the Wingnuts kits to reappear under anyone else's logo.
While we're editorialising, a word also regarding expectations. With WnW gone it seems there's an expectation that others such as Copper State Models will just leap into the void and generate a stack of a new aircraft kits. It isn't that simple and I've been talking to Edgar at Copper State about this.
I think it's unfair to expect Copper State to match the WnW scale of production. CSM does not have the resources and budget WnW had, and CSM has to be careful with its subject choices. Simply put, kit sales fund development of the next kits. CSM has new projects in development and we'll be announcing one of these in a separate post - so stay tuned!
In the meantime, I have provided Roden with the link to this thread so they can monitor progress of the wish list. Let's keep this positive and filled with those kits we would all love to have.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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Well said, Dave.
The spirit of this thread is as per the title - what are some suggestions for Roden (or indeed any other manufacturer), should they wish to dip their toes into the realm of WW1 again. Nothing more.
The thread is not there to bash any particular manufacturer for the quality and quantity of the kits that they produce (heaven forbid we might actually have to exercise some modelling skills rather than shake a box and get a perfect replica).
We have been spoilt by certain manufacturers but let us not forget that we still are a niche within the modeling world, let's not get 'too big for our boots', so to speak - any kits are better than no kits, no matter the quality. So let's stick to suggestions.
Cheers,
BC
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I have built, and thoroughly enjoyed, several Roden 1/48 scale aircraft, including the Nieuport 28 (my first Roden kit), a DH4, a BE2c, a BE12, a 1 1/2 Strutter and a couple Fokker D.VIIs. And, although they were not a WNW shake and bake, they were well engineered and built up into beautiful models with little or no fit problems. Some of the decals were a bit challenging, but so were some of the WNW decals.
That said, I would love to see the DH4, BE2c, BE12 and the 1 1/2 Strutter produced in 1/32 scale. Even if they simply scaled-up their 1/48 kits without additional refinement, I would gladly buy them and build them and be thrilled to death to have them.
Cheers,
Bud
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Very well said Bud,I totally agree.
Cheers,
Dave.
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I agree with the comments above.
Not all kits are perfect! There were errors on WNW kits, we tried to minimize that.. but things happen! Tamiya isn't perfect either...
There are some great subjects mentioned already, but I think that the best comment was for Roden to try to improve with the tooling. I am not sure if they are in the position to create tooling like WNW or CSM at the moment. I but I would love to see them taking small steps on each release going forward.
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Indeed, Roden was one of the first model companies that introduced in greater proportions WW1 aircraft in 1/32 scale before WNW appeared and eclipse their sales. Kudos to them because they had the guts to enter into a niche market that was at their initial growth stage. Now, they're still there and producing the 1/32 WWI subjects. All that we must do, is to support these companies. I am pretty sure they will correct deficiencies in their future releases accordingly to the new standards.
It is good to hear that CSM, will have more releases in the coming months, and cross my fingers that it would be another aircraft kit. Thanks, Dave W, and keep us in the loop when you hear from them. And as Dave said, we have to move on and make this hobby to expand to more potential WWI modelers, leave behind the past and look forward to the future
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It’s great news to hear Roden are looking at having another go at WWI. While I think some of the calls for improved tooling may be fair in some cases and perhaps more careful research, their basic kits are pretty solid and lot of the problems have been solved by the aftermarket community. I can only imagine for many of the aftermarket manufacturers the news of WNW’s closure must’ve been very worrying indeed, now with Roden re-entering the fray there will be a lot of fresh business for them and that can only be a good thing for all of us. I think Richard at Aviatik is going to have to start pumping out those Fokker Dr.1 update kits that’s for sure!
Hopefully we’re seeing the beginning of a resurgence from other former WWI manufacturers as well. I’ve just noticed that Eduard has down for a July release their 1/48 Morane-Saulnier N Profipack, I’m not sure if they are new molds like what they did with their SSW D.III and Hawker Tempest but I sure hope so. It’d be nice to see Eduard revisit some more of their old 1/48 favourites and give them an update like the Siemens and Tempest. Also the June issue of Scale Aviation Modeller International has their Sopwith Camel kit also down for a 2020 re-release interestingly listed as a new tool.
Anyway my Roden picks are similar to what I’m seeing from everyone else.
1/32:
Hanriot HD.1
Complete the Albatros family with a D.II (the Encore kit is becoming rare and pricey)
Oeffag Albatros D.III
Phonix D.III
SPAD XIII (early and late)
Morane-Saulnier L Parasol
1/32 would be nice, but would settle for 1/48 for these:
Halberstadt D.I, II and III
Aviatik D.I and D.II (a Berg that doesn’t break the bank in either scale!)
Martinsyde G.100/102 Elephant
Dave Rickard
Rockhampton QLD
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Yes
Please keep the flame going Roden. CSM as mentioned has to pick and choose what it does.
Re-entering the hobby I’d rather learn on a Roden and graduate to WNW now prices are up.
My list;
Top 5 picks: Any scale prefer 1:32 (or 48 for flying boats)
New tool Albatros D11/111
New tool Dr1
New tool SPAD
Macchi M5 flying boat
Lohner Flying boat/ Brandenburg flying boat
Next 5+
Blackburn Kangaroo
Hanriot HD1
Fokker D7 (All versions 1 box)
DH1a (Smaller version of Fe2b)
Sopwith Ships Camel
AEG cIV
Early Rumpler Taube
Phonix D1-3
Albatros CIII
Staaken RIV Giant
New Re8, Sopwith Pup, etc etc in 1:72/48
Other Suggestions in 1:48/32
Phonix c1
Brandenburg C1
Caproni Bomber
Pomilio PD
Cauldron G IV or VI
Farman or Voisin or Vickers Gun Bus
Argo C11
Friedichtschafen flying boat or bomber
That’ll be enough for now!
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(Heaven forbid we might actually have to exercise some modelling skills rather than shake a box and get a perfect replica).
So well put Brad. Actually this is probably the one part of modeling I enjoy the most, adding details to a kit. Working out idea's of how to improve it. So I have no problems with less detailed kits, it just makes it a challenge to get a decent result and much more fun to build. I had a blast building the three Roden Fokker Dr.I's. Why not just be happy we actually got the 'dreidekker' in 1/32 scale! Thank you Roden!
I just wish, it would be possible to upscale Rodens 1/48 B.e.2c, Strutter, DH.4 & DH.9 to 1/32?
Cheers: Kent
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Hi,
These are my two cents:
1:72
- Sopwith Triplane
- Morane Saulnier AI
- Otto Pusher
There is a lot of room with two seaters:
- Roland CII
- R.E. 8
- Hannover CL II
- LVG C.V
- Hansa Brandenburg C.I
- AGO Cii
Bombers:
- AEG GIV. There is no version in plastic at this scale except an awful one from Merlin Models!
- Blackburn Kangaroo
And Italian Austro Hungarian flying boats!
Santiago Martin
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Great news that roden are thinking of re-entering this niche. I have only built their rolls- Royce armoured car in 1/35 and really enjoyed it , although as everyone notes, they often benefit, as do most kits, from some research and a bit of extra detailing. But the results are great. I second Italian/ A-H flying boats - fantastic looking machines! Cheers Matt
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All 1/32: What crosses my mind first of all is a SPAD XIII to follow up their VII.
Then how about a little sprue (and some PE perhaps?) to give us an OOB Albatros D.II? And a D.III (OEF) would be fantastic!
In 1/72, which I don't build all that often any more, I would buy a Nieuport 28 :)
Jeroen
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I decided to do a bit of a tally to see what kind of numbers we are getting on this wish list mostly out of curiosity than anything else. I’ve gone with the most popular mark when only the manufacturer is mentioned and these are the top 10 (give or take) for each scale. It’s pretty obvious that the SPAD XIII and the Hanriot HD.1 are leading the charge in 1/32 with the Oeffag Albatros coming in a close 3rd. I guess the Oeffag Albatros is a definite contender given that Roden has already gone down that path in 1/72 and that they already have a mold in the Albatros D.III that they could re-tool. I’m not that surprised in the SPAD given its use with pretty much every allied air service and the fact that we haven’t had a good 1/32 kit of the 13 since the Hobbycraft one and that is now becoming hard to find. The Hanriot was a bit of a surprise though given its limited use with only the Belgians and Italians but between the two of them they came up with some pretty wild paint schemes so that could account for its popularity and it is just a beautiful aesthetically pleasing aircraft. She kind of looks like the child of a Sopwith and a Nieuport coupling! An upscaling of the Sopwith 1.5 Strutter seems popular as well and of course the BE2 series a rather niggling omission that a lot of us want.
The Sopwith Pup leads the 1/48 brigade which isn’t a surprise. Even if Roden chose not to do a Pup my dream is Eduard will revisit their old molds like they did with both the SSW D.III and Hawker Tempest, we can always dream
It seems a lot of us are craving more from the Italian front. It’s kind of been ignored in 1/32 though we have gotten a little taste in 48 and 72 but definitely some more mainstream kits of A-H and Italian Flying boats would be welcomed.
1/32
SPAD XIII 18
Hanriot HD.1/2 18
Oeffag Alb D.III 14
Sopwith Strutter 13
BE2(mostly C/E) 12
Avro 504 8
Aviatik D.I/II 7
Halberstadt D series 7
Phonix D.I/II 5
Friedrichshafen FF.33 5
Voisin III 5
1/48
Sopwith Pup 6
Avro 504 4
RE8 4
Voisin III 3
Aviatik D.I/II 3
Halberstadt D series 3
Caproni bomber 3
FE2b 2
Martinsyde Elephant 2
Hannover CL.II/III 2
DH9a 2
Vickers Gunbus 2
1/72
Nieuport 28 6
Roland C.II 5
RE8 5
Sopwith Pup 4
Hannover CL.II/III 4
Hanriot HD.1/2 3
Rumpler C.IV 2
LVG 2
Hansa Brandenburg C.I 2
Staaken R.VI R.30 2
AEG 2
Dave Rickard
Rockhampton QLD
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Spot on Kent!
Of course it is good to have a kit containing everything but the kitchen sink, but – isn’t it more satisfying to gather together after-market products to add to an already perfectly adequate model. (or, better still, make them yourself)
I have built most of the Roden WW1 kits and have derived just as much satisfaction from them as Wingnut Wings. The Siemens Schuckert DIII is a real beauty for one.
My suggestions for 1/32 kits, taking-up Roden’s offer are as follows:-
Oeffag DIII – relatively easy to adapt the existing Albatros kit
Phonix DI –DIII – basically any Phonix (there’s one in Sweden if you want to create a model)
Aviatik DI – similarly there’s one in Vienna
Hansa Brandenburg CI – There was talk of one from Roden some years ago ( also the DI unless Copper State produce theirs)
Lohner Type TL47 – the Austrian flying boats are beautiful and this one is sufficiently ‘small’ to be manageable.
Finally The Hanriot HDI – there are some great Italian markings.
The Oeffag above is additionally a good bet as it was used by various air forces following the Great War, in eastern Europe.
Here's hoping,
Les
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Thanks for the tally Dave
Yes definitely the SPAD is an obvious choice given how widely it was used by different nations
The Hanriot as you say has interesting schemes for a non British and German plane. It’s also relatively simple design for the modeller to make and manufacturer to produce. They don’t float my boat like the Adriatic flying boats but like an Albatros d111 would be popular.
I’ll take an interest in whatever comes out, and buy if it’s a good standard (which I’m sure it will be!) DC
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I decided to do a bit of a tally to see what kind of numbers we are getting on this wish list mostly out of curiosity than anything else. I’ve gone with the most popular mark when only the manufacturer is mentioned and these are the top 10 (give or take) for each scale. It’s pretty obvious that the SPAD XIII and the Hanriot HD.1 are leading the charge in 1/32 with the Oeffag Albatros coming in a close 3rd. I guess the Oeffag Albatros is a definite contender given that Roden has already gone down that path in 1/72 and that they already have a mold in the Albatros D.III that they could re-tool. I’m not that surprised in the SPAD given its use with pretty much every allied air service and the fact that we haven’t had a good 1/32 kit of the 13 since the Hobbycraft one and that is now becoming hard to find. The Hanriot was a bit of a surprise though given its limited use with only the Belgians and Italians but between the two of them they came up with some pretty wild paint schemes so that could account for its popularity and it is just a beautiful aesthetically pleasing aircraft. She kind of looks like the child of a Sopwith and a Nieuport coupling! An upscaling of the Sopwith 1.5 Strutter seems popular as well and of course the BE2 series a rather niggling omission that a lot of us want.
The Sopwith Pup leads the 1/48 brigade which isn’t a surprise. Even if Roden chose not to do a Pup my dream is Eduard will revisit their old molds like they did with both the SSW D.III and Hawker Tempest, we can always dream
It seems a lot of us are craving more from the Italian front. It’s kind of been ignored in 1/32 though we have gotten a little taste in 48 and 72 but definitely some more mainstream kits of A-H and Italian Flying boats would be welcomed.
1/32
SPAD XIII 18
Hanriot HD.1/2 18
Oeffag Alb D.III 14
Sopwith Strutter 13
BE2(mostly C/E) 12
Avro 504 8
Aviatik D.I/II 7
Halberstadt D series 7
Phonix D.I/II 5
Friedrichshafen FF.33 5
Voisin III 5
1/48
Sopwith Pup 6
Avro 504 4
RE8 4
Voisin III 3
Aviatik D.I/II 3
Halberstadt D series 3
Caproni bomber 3
FE2b 2
Martinsyde Elephant 2
Hannover CL.II/III 2
DH9a 2
Vickers Gunbus 2
1/72
Nieuport 28 6
Roland C.II 5
RE8 5
Sopwith Pup 4
Hannover CL.II/III 4
Hanriot HD.1/2 3
Rumpler C.IV 2
LVG 2
Hansa Brandenburg C.I 2
Staaken R.VI R.30 2
AEG 2
Dave Rickard
Rockhampton QLD
Good job, but your tally totally ignored Russian subjects, how come is that?
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I decided to do a bit of a tally to see what kind of numbers we are getting on this wish list mostly out of curiosity than anything else. I’ve gone with the most popular mark when only the manufacturer is mentioned and these are the top 10 (give or take) for each scale. It’s pretty obvious that the SPAD XIII and the Hanriot HD.1 are leading the charge in 1/32 with the Oeffag Albatros coming in a close 3rd. I guess the Oeffag Albatros is a definite contender given that Roden has already gone down that path in 1/72 and that they already have a mold in the Albatros D.III that they could re-tool. I’m not that surprised in the SPAD given its use with pretty much every allied air service and the fact that we haven’t had a good 1/32 kit of the 13 since the Hobbycraft one and that is now becoming hard to find. The Hanriot was a bit of a surprise though given its limited use with only the Belgians and Italians but between the two of them they came up with some pretty wild paint schemes so that could account for its popularity and it is just a beautiful aesthetically pleasing aircraft. She kind of looks like the child of a Sopwith and a Nieuport coupling! An upscaling of the Sopwith 1.5 Strutter seems popular as well and of course the BE2 series a rather niggling omission that a lot of us want.
The Sopwith Pup leads the 1/48 brigade which isn’t a surprise. Even if Roden chose not to do a Pup my dream is Eduard will revisit their old molds like they did with both the SSW D.III and Hawker Tempest, we can always dream
It seems a lot of us are craving more from the Italian front. It’s kind of been ignored in 1/32 though we have gotten a little taste in 48 and 72 but definitely some more mainstream kits of A-H and Italian Flying boats would be welcomed.
1/32
SPAD XIII 18
Hanriot HD.1/2 18
Oeffag Alb D.III 14
Sopwith Strutter 13
BE2(mostly C/E) 12
Avro 504 8
Aviatik D.I/II 7
Halberstadt D series 7
Phonix D.I/II 5
Friedrichshafen FF.33 5
Voisin III 5
1/48
Sopwith Pup 6
Avro 504 4
RE8 4
Voisin III 3
Aviatik D.I/II 3
Halberstadt D series 3
Caproni bomber 3
FE2b 2
Martinsyde Elephant 2
Hannover CL.II/III 2
DH9a 2
Vickers Gunbus 2
1/72
Nieuport 28 6
Roland C.II 5
RE8 5
Sopwith Pup 4
Hannover CL.II/III 4
Hanriot HD.1/2 3
Rumpler C.IV 2
LVG 2
Hansa Brandenburg C.I 2
Staaken R.VI R.30 2
AEG 2
Dave Rickard
Rockhampton QLD
Good job, but your tally totally ignored Russian subjects, how come is that?
Basically, I had a cut off for each of the scales otherwise the lists would've been as long as my arm! 1/32 was the scale that got the most hits so I kind of cut it off at a 'top 10' with the one extra as both the Friedrichshafen FF.33 and Voisin III had five votes each. Subsequent votes were below five. I did similar with 48 and 72 scales. The Russian aircraft (not counting the Nie 17/21/23 or SPAD 7) got the following:
1/32
Ilya Muromets 2
Sikorsky S.XVI 1
SPAD A.4 1
Anatra DS 1
Grigorovich M.9 1
Votes were 0 for the above in both 48 and 72. There were a lot of vague responses like 'more Russian/Italian/Austro-Hungarian aircraft' which are a lot harder to tally as I could either put down a vote for every conceivable type operated or voted for in the thread, which would be somewhat arbitrary, or limit myself to votes for specific marks and manufacturers so I chose the later. It's not a perfect list by any stretch and as I said it was done more out of my own curiosity as to what direction us forumites were leaning towards in terms of wants and desires. I was also curious as to see what kind of limitations and thoughts were going into people's choices and while 2 people voted for a 1/32 Ilya Muromets I think, with all due respect, that most saw something like that being brought into production by any manufacturer other than WNW as wishful thinking. As Dave Wilson has shown in his brilliant article on WNW's demise, it was probably those esoteric, particularly those large esoteric kits that got WNW into trouble among other things. Also the fact that Roden, a major manufacturer, has put the 'feelers' out to our niche community (a first perhaps?) is a most unexpected and welcome development and it seems from the votes that most of us are voting with one (pragmatic) eye on the bigger picture of what a company like Roden is more than likely going to commit to making. The lessons of WNW's rise and fall aren't going to forgotten anytime soon in the model industry I don't think.
Dave Rickard
Rockhampton QLD
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If Roden would follow CSM's lead and go down the path blazed by WNW with computer prototyping et al, I would suggest that they start with the SPAD XIII late and follow with an early round wing at the right time. This would allow for USAS, French, RFC, Czech and Italian boxing or decal options. The second would be a WNW/CSM approach to the Albatros D.III which can then be produced as the Austrian variants and the D.II. Again, I would like to see them study the WNW D.V and rethink the approach to a D.III. Then, an Italian Hanriot. If they could do a ratio of 3:1 or 4:1 fighters to observation type, I would like to see something like an Albatros C.III or Sopwith Strutter.
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'more aircraft from x, y, or z' *should* not count. too vague.
if you're that keen on say, Russian aircraft, think of which one you'd want if only one more were to be kitted. that's your first choice, then add a few more if you wish.
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An update on the Forum Roden poll and it's encouraging news.
The President of Roden Ltd, Vladimir Chumak, is following our new kits wish list poll with great interest. In an email to me he says he is pleased to see a lot of new good ideas. While he can't make any promises yet on whether Roden will resume its WW1 kit production, it's clear the response to our poll has impressed Roden and they are seriously considering the venture.
So let's keep this going and emphasise we are talking about new kits we would buy, as this is not just a theoretical exercise now. We have a chance to encourage a major manufacturer to return to our favourite era and hopefully provide new kits in 1/72, 1/48 and 1/32 scales - something none of the other WW1 model companies have done.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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If Roden would follow CSM's lead and go down the path blazed by WNW with computer prototyping et al, I would suggest that they start with the SPAD XIII late and follow with an early round wing at the right time. This would allow for USAS, French, RFC, Czech and Italian boxing or decal options. The second would be a WNW/CSM approach to the Albatros D.III which can then be produced as the Austrian variants and the D.II. Again, I would like to see them study the WNW D.V and rethink the approach to a D.III. Then, an Italian Hanriot. If they could do a ratio of 3:1 or 4:1 fighters to observation type, I would like to see something like an Albatros C.III or Sopwith Strutter.
Hi,
Spot on Captain Slower.
Also like to acknowledge post about naming specific types to help the tallying.
And also more good news from Dave!
P.S Along with Macchi M5 and Brandenburg W18 and CC’s I’d like to second Grigorovich M.9 flying boat as suggested above but Adriatic boats first preference. Thanks!
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Great news Dave, I am looking forward to the possibility of more attention being paid to the smaller scales :)
If people want to have an idea about Roden's current production quality, have a look at their recent releases, i.e. their 1/32 Stearman:
http://www.hyperscale.com/2020/reviews/kits/rodenrd631reviewjm_1.htm
The quality and details look very nice, indicative of a gradual but steady improvement in the production techniques from the releases of the early 2000's. I think a modern Roden release of a WW1 subject would also be of a similar high quality.
Cheers,
BC
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tell Mr. Chumak i'll buy 7 SPAD XIII, 3 SPAD XII, 3 Hanriot HD.1, 3+ OEFFAG Albatri if Roden develop the kits.
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I just received the Stearman kit in the mail today and must say that the detailing and finesse of the parts is outstanding. There are many small and finely molded parts. The engine itself has well over 30 parts.
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Excellent News Dave! I will buy anything 1/32nd like I said. The SPADXIII and Strutter being My favorite choices. Lets not forget the SE5 ;D
RAGIII
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Great news Dave, I am looking forward to the possibility of more attention being paid to the smaller scales :)
If people want to have an idea about Roden's current production quality, have a look at their recent releases, i.e. their 1/32 Stearman:
http://www.hyperscale.com/2020/reviews/kits/rodenrd631reviewjm_1.htm
The quality and details look very nice, indicative of a gradual but steady improvement in the production techniques from the releases of the early 2000's. I think a modern Roden release of a WW1 subject would also be of a similar high quality.
Cheers,
BC
There seems to be more interest in 20’s and 30’s subjects. The quality of the Stearman makes me look forward to the possibility of a new WW1 line
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Just to confirm, I mean to buy any of the 32nd scale kits I named earlier and quite possibly any one out of my list 😉
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I have bought and built just about all of the Roden 1/32nd kits that they have produced. Some in multiple issues.
I for one would like to see them re-release the 1/32nd WW1 kits in their catalog and add the following:
Jennie
Albatross CIII
I also would like to see them take the masters of their decals and have them done by Cartograph of Italy, if that's at all possible. I hate to say this, but their decals are not good.
This is my two cents worth on this subject
Russ
Russell Niles, IPMS 4450
Sacramento Ca
"Too close for missiles.....switching to guns"
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My wish is in 1/48:
1/48
- Caproni Ca 3 or any other Italian bomber (such as SAVOIA POMILIO "SIA" sp2 or SP3)
- Sikorsky S-XVI
- Nieuport Ni27and Ni28
- RAF RE8
- Sopwith Salamander
- Voisin V
- Farman MF 7 or 11 either "Short" or "long" "horn"
- AEG G IV
- Rumpler C.IV
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It is unfortunate that Ukraine is not part of the European Union. If they had their decals made by Cartograf in Italy, Roden would have to pay a 25% Ukrainian government imposed import tariff.
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I have a few Roden kits: SPAD V.II, Albatros D.III and the Roden/Encore DR.1. For new kits I would like to see:
Hanriot HD.1
SPAD XIII
Phonix D.I, D.II
Sopwith Strutter
I'm sure with today's technology Roden could do a bang up job!!
Mike
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is it possible to order directly from Roden?
lately i'm in the habit of ordering direct where possible, as they've already been paid for stuff one gets through other distribution channels.
after i sort out my CSM Nieuport needs i want to sort out my Roden needs. the one kit i'll need a few of is the Tripehound (7) the rest are mostly ones and twos, but i need quite a few more of their 1/32. (and yes, "need" is the correct word)
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You can view their website at roden.eu
They list many wholesale distributors but do not seem to offer direct ordering. It is probably because it is more labor intensive for individual orders than the extra profit is worth.
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You can view their website at roden.eu
They list many wholesale distributors but do not seem to offer direct ordering. It is probably because it is more labor intensive for individual orders than the extra profit is worth.
They may have agreements with their retailers that prevent them from selling directly
Richard
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They used to have their own online shop, but it seems to have disappeared.
My local hobby shop stocks Roden, so whenever possible I prefer to buy from him to support both him and Roden. His prices are very good as well!
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Just a heads up to the Roden company: Produce, we will buy! Particularly if you take our wants into consideration! I'm a bit disturbed that the DH4 didn't appear on the lists on the previous page, it may just be a sampling error, but we really need one in 1/32 and 1/48... Just saying! Regards, Marc.
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Just a heads up to the Roden company: Produce, we will buy! Particularly if you take our wants into consideration! I'm a bit disturbed that the DH4 didn't appear on the lists on the previous page, it may just be a sampling error, but we really need one in 1/32 and 1/48... Just saying! Regards, Marc.
Here you are...
(https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/9/8/1/137981-10644-pristine.jpg)
(https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/8/7/5/137875-10244-pristine.jpg)
Released in 2007. And there are some more boxing’s of this kit...
Andreas
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Hi,
It's been a very long time for a post from me, but I love wish lists.
In 1/32:
1) Siemens-Schuckert D.IV (paucity of color schemes but some theoretical stuff might cut it, like Jasta 14 or MFJ)
2) Pfalz D.VIII (thanks to the new replica in Sweden)
3) Bregeut Br14
4) Fokker D.V
Lyle
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Thanks for the reminder Monty and Borsos,a DH4 would be terrific too!
Cheers,
Dave.
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Thanks for the tip-off Lyle; I did not know about the Swedish Pfalz DVIII,
Add that to my 1:32 list!
Also I urge everyone to watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J9P1mamdYA
Les
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Thanks for posting that Les, "pretty to watch"!!
Cheers,
Lance
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Thanks, Andreas, you have just granted my wish! How could I forget about the Roden 1/48th DH4?? There may even be one in my collection! I could blame old age, the odd virus infection or even the wine.... Well, one more to build! But a 1/32 one, then we're talking! Regards, Marc ::) ::) ;D
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Hi
Forgot one I wish to add: Sopwith F1/3 ‘Comic’
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Hi
Forgot one I wish to add: Sopwith F1/3 ‘Comic’
Oh, yeah! Camel Comic, for sure!
Cheers,
Bud
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Quite right, Pup7309, the Comic night fighters are really worthy subjects for new models, both Camels and One-and-a-half Strutters - busy on the Roden 1/48th!! But lots of scope in other scales....
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Great news Dave, I am looking forward to the possibility of more attention being paid to the smaller scales :)
If people want to have an idea about Roden's current production quality, have a look at their recent releases, i.e. their 1/32 Stearman:
http://www.hyperscale.com/2020/reviews/kits/rodenrd631reviewjm_1.htm
The quality and details look very nice, indicative of a gradual but steady improvement in the production techniques from the releases of the early 2000's. I think a modern Roden release of a WW1 subject would also be of a similar high quality.
Cheers,
BC
Wow, that is nicely done surface detail on the Stearman.
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Yes thanks Brad,
The suggestions above for new SPAD/ Dr1/ Alb D111 in 1/32, and other kits in other scales is that the quality has improved in the last 10-20 years and it would be great for modellers and I feel a big seller to update these kits. D
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Quite right, Pup7309, the Comic night fighters are really worthy subjects for new models, both Camels and One-and-a-half Strutters - busy on the Roden 1/48th!! But lots of scope in other scales....
Yes the Sopwith’s are nice aircraft. To my eye the Comic looks less nose heavy than the Camel. Fingers crossed!
Daz
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is it possible to order directly from Roden?
I've had positive experiences with both of these eBay stores- which both carry Roden- and they can be searched by brand on the left margin. One in the Ukraine, the other in California:
https://www.ebay.com/str/scalemodelkits/BY-BRAND/_i.html?_storecat=7271111015
https://www.ebay.com/str/scottsmodelworkshop
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The demise of WNW has led me to reassess my approach to kits, and I think I've become too obsessed with perfection. Roden kits are very, very good kits, and are a fraction of WNW prices.
Whereas I would happily pay 2-3 times what a Roden kit cost in order to get the WNW version, I now have to ask myself why?
It's a hobby, after all. Nobody critiques my builds but me, and the time spent building & painting is the whole point of the project. So why buy 1 perfect kit, when for the same money I could get 2-3 "good enough" kits?
I bought 4 Roden SE.5a's last month, £100 for the lot.
In future, I'm aiming to get kits that are "good enough" (assuming my illness allows me), rather than aim for the holy grail.
Am I alone in this approach?
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Not at all. If you enjoy building...build. The Holy Grail of models, whatever that is, is surrounded by muddy roads to bog down on. Avoid the mess and have fun building to your own standards
sp
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Well I guess a Dr1 is now off my list, but wait and see...
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Glad to see Roden showing some interest in returning to the WWI aircraft modeling scene. Hopefully the modeling community will be much nicer to them than in the past.
I would like to see them produce the following:
1/32nd Breguet 14
1/32nd Dehaviland DH.4
1/32nd Hanriot
Hopefully something will come of this.
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There is one fault of Roden kits that I absolutely hate. It's the ends of the struts. A dinky, tiny surface that can barely hold on to the model. In some cases the area is so small that I can barely pin it. If they could make the anchors of their struts the way that WNW does, I'd praise them to the heavens.
Maybe they'll read this...
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There is one fault of Roden kits that I absolutely hate. It's the ends of the struts. A dinky, tiny surface that can barely hold on to the model. In some cases the area is so small that I can barely pin it. If they could make the anchors of their struts the way that WNW does, I'd praise them to the heavens.
Maybe they'll read this...
Poorly engineered kits (like what you are describing) drive me crazy. I see it all the time from many different manufacturers and subject matters.
It's the sort of thing that will go together just fine *on paper* and in the hypothetical realm.
But in reality and dealing with small, physical things, there's no chance it's going to work as planned.
"Bend this tiny piece of P/E and then take the end portion with almost zero contact area and glue it to this other piece of bent P/E and then use this assembly to hold up this large, heavy piece of plastic putting weight/force on the entire thing, and then..."
I see this sort of thing and wonder who thought that was going to work in reality.
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Any single engine flying boat or float plane in 1/32.
Steve
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Any single engine flying boat or float plane in 1/32.
Steve
Yes please!
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Glad to see Roden showing some interest in returning to the WWI aircraft modeling scene. Hopefully the modeling community will be much nicer to them than in the past.
I would like to see them produce the following:
1/32nd Breguet 14
1/32nd Dehaviland DH.4
1/32nd Hanriot
Hopefully something will come of this.
I like these choices :)
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Glad to see Roden showing some interest in returning to the WWI aircraft modeling scene. Hopefully the modeling community will be much nicer to them than in the past.
I would like to see them produce the following:
1/32nd Breguet 14
1/32nd Dehaviland DH.4
1/32nd Hanriot
Hopefully something will come of this.
I also support mgunns' choice, although I would just buy the HD1 (Italian Markings)
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If they were looking to kit a winner, how could they go wrong with a Fokker D VII? Really work on getting the tooling right and get that fit worked out. They could give the WNW reissues a run for their money, especially if they are more reasonable, price wise.
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If they were looking to kit a winner, how could they go wrong with a Fokker D VII? Really work on getting the tooling right and get that fit worked out. They could give the WNW reissues a run for their money, especially if they are more reasonable, price wise.
If WNW molds do not produce again there would be demand for all their popular kits like Fokker DVII and maybe others like w29, Gotha iv and I’d be up for another Roland dvi and a few others.
I’ve got a feeling people want from Roden what WNW hadn’t produced?
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Not sure those WNW kits will be available anytime soon and it's not like multiple manufacturers haven't produced the same kit before, how many companies offer Spitfires and Bf109's? Fokker D.VII's have minimal rigging and hundreds of color schemes. Without WNW's around, I think Roden would clean up with a decent D.VII.
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Glad that so many have mentioned some of my favorite choices on this thread. I might as well add my voice to the many others asking for:
Hanriot HD.1/2
Breguet 14
DH-4
Spad XIII
Pete
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The S.P.A.D. VII cries out for a good kitting. I would of course prefer 1/72, but it would be nice to see one at any scale.
One of the big French twin-engined types, a Letord or a Caudron R-11 'battleplane' would be a treat indeed.
A Roland DII would be welcome, as well.
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The S.P.A.D. VII cries out for a good kitting. I would of course prefer 1/72, but it would be nice to see one at any scale.
One of the big French twin-engined types, a Letord or a Caudron R-11 'battleplane' would be a treat indeed.
A Roland DII would be welcome, as well.
A Cauldron R 11 hasn’t been mentioned...interesting!
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I would like to see them do the sorts of subject matter that has been totally neglected by WNW over the years.
ITALIAN anything, French anything.
Specifically, I'd love to see a Caudron G4. They have a beautiful example to copy at the Udvar Hazy Center in NOVA.
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At the risk of possibly repeating Myself lets be aware of Not asking Roden to repeat what Many "Think" was Wing Nut Wings mistake: Too many expensive large kits that appeal Greatly to the Niche Market but not so much to the general Modeling public. I thing French and Italian subjects are a great choice to a degree. The SPAD XIII certainly needs a New kit as does the Hanriot An Ansaldo SVA also. Pretty well known to the general aviation enthusiast and lots of markings for Many Nations. To me those would be a natural starting point. When it comes to the More expensive two seaters, The BE series, Strutter, Brequet 14, and DH4 would most likely have a General appeal. Obviously if successfuland profitable the more esoteric birds might be welcome ;D JMHO,
RAGIII
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Not asking Roden to repeat what Many "Think" was Wing Nut Wings mistake: Too many expensive large kits that appeal Greatly to the Niche Market but not so much to the general Modeling public.
Personally, I agree completely. Esoteric is great for us, but likely won't be popular with the general modelling public. The average modeller looking to try their hand at a WW1 kit will want something relatively simple (less struts is better) and simple to rig. Hence a great re-entry into the WW1 market by Roden would be a 1/32 Hanriot or SPAD XIII (noting the average modeller won't know the difference between a SPAD VII and a SPAD XIII; Roden knows how well their SPAD VII kit sold, so would need to balance putting out another SPAD versus something like a Hanriot... my money is on the latter winning out).
The success (or failure) of their next WW1 release will most likely be VERY formative in where Roden goes with continued WW1 production. Roden are no doubt watching us with interest, so we need to put our money where our mouthes are and buy up whatever gets released :)
Cheers,
BC
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Folks
Roden have been reading our Forum posts and closely following our new kit request poll. I endorse Brad's remarks that if they resume production of WW1 kits there will be an onus on us as modellers to support them with our business rather than just words.
Modellers are always griping that the model companies don't listen to us. Well Roden are listening to us!
Wingnuts changed the landscape of WW1 aircraft modelling but they are sadly now in the past tense and we need to move on and give support to those manufacturers who are still producing WW1 kits- in all of the scales.
Copper State Models will be announcing a new 1/32 scale aircraft kit soon which will be an exciting choice, and I hope to have news from Roden very soon.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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Folks
Roden have been reading our Forum posts and closely following our new kit request poll. I endorse Brad's remarks that if they resume production of WW1 kits there will be an onus on us as modellers to support them with our business rather than just words.
Modellers are always griping that the model companies don't listen to us. Well Roden are listening to us!
Wingnuts changed the landscape of WW1 aircraft modelling but they are sadly now in the past tense and we need to move on and give support to those manufacturers who are still producing WW1 kits- in all of the scales.
Copper State Models will be announcing a new 1/32 scale aircraft kit soon which will be an exciting choice, and I hope to have news from Roden very soon.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
I agree wit you 100% and am really looking forward to the CSM...and Roden announcements!
RAGIII
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I just scoped out their (Roden's) 1/32nd Stearman. The reviewer on Hyperscale included some images that are quite promising. The detail includes stitched ribbing, a more detailed instrument panel and it appears as if the locators for the "N" struts are more pronounced. Hopefully this level of detail will be any new 1/32nd WWI aircraft that Roden is considering. I too am looking forward to what is forthcoming from both Roden and CSM.
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Just to follow Mgunns remarks, his notes on Roden's 1/32 Stearman illustrate an interesting point that too many Roden critics have missed.
As he says, Roden's Stearman is reported to be a nicely detailed kit. Critics of Roden's WW1 kits have criticised their detail level compared with Wingnuts.
The reality though is that Roden effectively withdrew from new WW1 kit production after Wingnuts landed on the scene 11 years ago. So it's become an apples vs oranges scenario. You can't measure Roden against Wingnuts because the Roden kits are as the technology was 11+ years ago.
Roden kits are way cheaper than Wingnuts ( now more than ever) and unlike Wingnuts which sold out of its popular lines, Roden have kept their whole WW1 catalogue in constant production.
Let's keep them in business folks!
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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I suppose part of the legacy left behind by WnW is that henceforth any 1/32 scale WWI kit released will be compared to WnW. Unmercifully. There is a small niche of people who seem to thrive on picking apart new releases. I guess the more issues they claim to find, the greater their self perceived stature in Know-It-All Land. Good for them, they do seem to enjoy themselves. They will have a field day as soon as Roden or any other of the quality kit makers release a new 1/32 WWI kit. Roden is no doubt aware of them and generally tunes them out. We need to do the same. We all know who puts out quality kits and that alone is enough for me to buy as soon as a new release becomes available. Unfortunately you can't shut the nitpickers and naysayers up, but you can do the next best thing and ignore them. It is far more important to our little corner of the hobby to REWARD the manufacturer's hard work and investment and to encourage them to turn around and do it again. And so what if someone lets a sub standard cowl or rudder or prop get out. The after market producers need our support as well, so either model on and fix the problem yourself or let the kit warm the shelf a while and the AM boys will come through and fix it for you so you can assemble it. No reason at all to not buy a new release even if it isn't 110% perfect.
sp
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I suppose part of the legacy left behind by WnW is that henceforth any 1/32 scale WWI kit released will be compared to WnW. Unmercifully. There is a small niche of people who seem to thrive on picking apart new releases. I guess the more issues they claim to find, the greater their self perceived stature in Know-It-All Land. Good for them, they do seem to enjoy themselves. They will have a field day as soon as Roden or any other of the quality kit makers release a new 1/32 WWI kit. Roden is no doubt aware of them and generally tunes them out. We need to do the same. We all know who puts out quality kits and that alone is enough for me to buy as soon as a new release becomes available. Unfortunately you can't shut the nitpickers and naysayers up, but you can do the next best thing and ignore them. It is far more important to our little corner of the hobby to REWARD the manufacturer's hard work and investment and to encourage them to turn around and do it again. And so what if someone lets a sub standard cowl or rudder or prop get out. The after market producers need our support as well, so either model on and fix the problem yourself or let the kit warm the shelf a while and the AM boys will come through and fix it for you so you can assemble it. No reason at all to not buy a new release even if it isn't 110% perfect.
sp
Now that's a balanced and very objective perspective, good on you sp! Along with Brad's and Dave's comments I'd say the way ahead (in general terms) is very apparent. We will survive the demise of WNW, lets concentrate on support for those still supporting us and less on the "what ifs" of the past.For my part I intend to buy a Meng DR.1 just for old time's sake, build at least one more Roden Dr.1 in the very near future, and whip myself into a frenzy over what the next Roden, CSM, or SH WW.I subject might be! We've never had it so good, and I believe no one in the hobby could possibly build all the great WW.I kits of all scales available on the market presently in a lifetime, and I include the numerous WNW Kits in stashes and coming available as stocks are liquidated.
Bottom line from my perspective is it's looking good for WW.I Aircraft Modelling, very VERY good!
Cheers,
Lance
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what smperry said.
i also notice these harpies start tearing something apart when they see CAD renderings posted on Facebook! really? you can figure it all out from there? c'mon.
in particular they ripped into the Mengnut Mengs Dreidecker. clearly inferior to WNW... um guys? those ARE the WNW CAD renderings. c'mon
that said, agree the manufacturers tune out the attention seekers. they will respond to sales. people moaning about those who buy faster than they build... well, again, c'mon. manufacturers care about selling enough to stay in the business. they don't care if you have a fleet-in-being in your stash. if you want more kits released, buy what you can afford. go ahead and get ahead of yourself if you want 'em to keep doing this. (that said don't get ahead of your bank account).
when i can afford it, i'll be buying multiple Roden kits (i can afford it after i afford 9 more CSM Nieuports). all 1/32, not all WWI (Bird Dog, to be John Paul Vann's ride).
one thing i'd like to see that's not a WWI subject: a Yellow Peril to go with that Stearman.
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Well said SP, after reading lots of negative press regarding Roden kits I must say I was most impressed by the 1/32 SE5a kit. There are a few things that aren't perfect but having grown up on a diet of Airfix kits in polythene bags I have no concerns about that and can either correct or turn a blind eye to them.
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one thing i'd like to see that's not a WWI subject: a Yellow Peril to go with that Stearman.
The Yellow Peril is sadly neglected! Very nice-looking plane. Lots of them in Dive Bomber from 1941.
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one thing i'd like to see that's not a WWI subject: a Yellow Peril to go with that Stearman.
The Yellow Peril is sadly neglected! Very nice-looking plane. Lots of them in Dive Bomber from 1941.
tons of history on this ship too.
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Dittos to LP and Lance- !
Ed
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Just thought I’d bump this up. Does anyone want to do an ongoing tally? If not I’ll try to do one time permitting...
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I am a 1/48 builder and have built almost every such kit Roden has produced and really like them. I don't want to reiterate all the kits that have been mentioned before but want to let Roden know that if it is a kit of something thing that does not exist or would only be available as a short-run examples (such as from BlueMax, CooperState resin kits, Hi-Tech, or even Aurora, etc.) then I will buy it. But my one dream kit which I must note is the Ilya Muromets! I realize this leaves Roden with quite a bit of room to pick a subject but there is actually a huge number of subjects that have never had a main line plastic 1/48 kit made of them.
I am really looking forward to what we see!
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I would like to see Roden do an Albatros D.V in 1/48 and 1/32 scale. While the Wingnut Wings kit is hard to surpass, at $150+ a pop and climbing, I think Roden would sell a trainload of them at the normal prices. The Eduard 1/48 Albatros D.V is over 20 years old and is nowhere near as nice as their more recent Oeffag D.III's, but they don't seem inclined to cut new tooling for it. I know there are many aircraft that have never been tooled into kits before, aircraft that we all would like to see, but getting Roden lots of sales will generate the incentive to invest even further into our niche of the hobby. Don't get me wrong, I'll sign up for a couple Breguets 14's and a Strutter.
Dwayne
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one easily filled spot on the Roden lineup: the Albatros D.II. modifications to the D.I would be minimal, and the Encore D.II boxing of the Roden kit is a bit scarce and pricey.
over the moon about the SPAD XIII and 1.5 Strutter, will get quite a few. i'll get at least one 504.
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one easily filled spot on the Roden lineup: the Albatros D.II. modifications to the D.I would be minimal, and the Encore D.II boxing of the Roden kit is a bit scarce and pricey.
over the moon about the SPAD XIII and 1.5 Strutter, will get quite a few. i'll get at least one 504.
Not sure if they have some sort of agreement with Squadron. They have those molds and are sold under "Squadron, Encore".
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one easily filled spot on the Roden lineup: the Albatros D.II. modifications to the D.I would be minimal, and the Encore D.II boxing of the Roden kit is a bit scarce and pricey.
over the moon about the SPAD XIII and 1.5 Strutter, will get quite a few. i'll get at least one 504.
Not sure if they have some sort of agreement with Squadron. They have those molds and are sold under "Squadron, Encore".
problem is, Squadron no longer seem to be doing anything with it.
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one easily filled spot on the Roden lineup: the Albatros D.II. modifications to the D.I would be minimal, and the Encore D.II boxing of the Roden kit is a bit scarce and pricey.
over the moon about the SPAD XIII and 1.5 Strutter, will get quite a few. i'll get at least one 504.
Not sure if they have some sort of agreement with Squadron. They have those molds and are sold under "Squadron, Encore".
problem is, Squadron no longer seem to be doing anything with it.
They rerelease them from time to time. Last time they included a Blue Max with the Pfalz kit.
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Unless they radically improve their quality, I wouldn't buy anything from them.....Life is too short to fool with a sub-par quality model kit, and everything I have seen from Roden is definitely sub-par.
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I think that they have improved a lot ... not CSM or WNW quality, but the last kits are much better that the first ones
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For those that haven't seen Roden's recent production quality, please have a look at the link I posted previously in this thread to their most recent release, the Stearman. I'll post it again:
http://www.hyperscale.com/2020/reviews/kits/rodenrd631reviewjm_1.htm
Production quality is excellent, and has vastly improved from the kits released back in the early 2000s. So I would suggest we don't judge them from the kits of old - that would be quite a mistake.
BC
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For those that haven't seen Roden's recent production quality, please have a look at the link I posted previously in this thread to their most recent release, the Stearman. I'll post it again:
http://www.hyperscale.com/2020/reviews/kits/rodenrd631reviewjm_1.htm
Production quality is excellent, and has vastly improved from the kits released back in the early 2000s. So I would suggest we don't judge them from the kits of old - that would be quite a mistake.
BC
Thanks for re-posting Brad. I for one have built quite a few of their older releases. If the Stearman is an example of what we can look for in the Avro and Strutter I am More than excited!
RAGIII
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Go Roden looking forward to their upcoming releases. It’s a shame WNW folded but if you’re a WW1 ( or even ‘tween wars) builder the future still looks bright :D
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Brad,
Definitely agree that the Stearman is quite a bit better than the earlier WWI kits. Hope that their SPAD XIII is also as great.
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Brad,
Definitely agree that the Stearman is quite a bit better than the earlier WWI kits. Hope that their SPAD XIII is also as great.
+1.
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I've built at least 6 Roden 1/48 scale kits to date. A BE2c, BE12, DH4, 1 1/2 Strutter, a pair of Fokker D.VIIs and maybe one or two others. All were a real pleasure to build. I'm now working on my first 1/32 Roden kit, a Dr.I using Aviattic decals and other enhancements. Aside for the fictitious leading edge scallops and a few other minor details, it's not a bad kit. Not CSM or WNW by any stretch, but by comparison, most of the other kits I've built were mere lumps of resin. I personally look forward to any new WWI kits Roden will bring out.
Cheers,
Bud
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I guess all the kits I have seen are their turd offerings. The Fokker triplane is abysmal. Their SPAD's are not any better. I picked up a 1/72 Gotha GVb that is good only to give to a child. But if you say they have a kit that doesn't require three PE sets, a resin conversion and half the kit needs to be scratchbuilt, then I'll take your word for it. I can only go by what I have seen, and what I have seen is brutal.....
Plus I can't believe most guys here would be on board for these Roden kits that need so much "extra" attention. Mainly because I hear so many people freaking out about the new Meng Dr 1 "warped" wings when all it requires is five minutes, your fingers and a set of opposing thumbs to fix it. If that is an issue for so many I can't imagine they could ever get past Rodens problems.....
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Zavod... your opinions of Roden kits are now fairly clear but I'm currently making their 1/48 SE5a Hispano Suiza and it's been a fun and very enjoyable build.
You would have seen that the Forum has been encouraging Roden to resume production of WW1 aircraft kits since the collapse of Wingnut Wings and they have stated they will return to our favourite era, so on that basis I think we should be applauding a model company that is showing us it still has faith in producing WW1 aircraft models.
Constantly attacking a model company because of perceived issues with kits produced more than 10 years ago is frankly not helpful now. I have made several Roden kits and all have their challenges but the end result is pleasing and that's what matters.
My concern is this- if model companies perceive their market to be disinterested in their products- which are produced for a very niche customer base- there's a real risk they will just say okay, we'll do a Spitfire or 109 or Mustang instead and make a mint from them.
Just because Wingnut Wings is gone does not mean the whole hobby has to shut down now.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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My concern is this- if model companies perceive their market to be disinterested in their products- which are produced for a very niche customer base- there's a real risk they will just say okay, we'll do a Spitfire or 109 or Mustang instead and make a mint from them.
Just because Wingnut Wings is gone does not mean the whole hobby has to shut down now.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
+1 from me. I for one want to encourage any and all manufacturers into the hobby. Remember, we're only a small niche of the market.
Yes we have been very spoilt by WNW, but some of us have been around long enough to know that sometimes you have to actually do some modelling in this hobby, not just kit assembling. There will be folks who have their views on all manner of things. Even WNW came in for some ridiculous criticisms, i.e. their kits fit too well...! At the end of the day folks, this is a hobby. Buy what you want to buy and build what you want to build as you want to build it. But I would encourage everyone to be open minded.
I have built quite a number of Roden kits in all scales in the last 15 years or so - their 1/72 Pfalz, 1/72 Fokker D.VII, 1/72 Albatros D.III, two of their 1/48 Fokker D.VII offerings, their 1/48 SE5a, their 1/48 Nieuport 28 (which is a real gem), their 1/48 DH-9, their 1/48 Junkers D.I (another gem), their 1/32 Albatros D.III and their 1/32 Fokker Dr1. If you want to see how they build up, click on the link in my sig and see my builds of these kits on my web page. Now, I am not the best modeller in the world but in my view each and every one of their kits was quite nice. Was there some work to do on some of them? Sure. Was any single one of their kits a 'turd'? Absolutely not!.
I really would encourage everyone that we don't rule out a manufacturer based on their moulding technology from 20 years ago. Imagine if we approached Eduard kits now based on our views from their early 1990s offerings and mould technology - we'd be fools.
Cheers,
BC
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Zavods criticisms are not without merit. I will leave it there, but also hope that should Roden do get back in the WWI aviation realm, let companies such CSM, be their model for what should be possible going forward. Fingers crossed.
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the problem i have with Zavod's complaints--besides the fact that they are in a thread where a manufacturer is testing the waters for something that just about everyone except Zavod's interested in--is that what are you going to do? wait for the Wingnut Wings 1 1/2 Strutter?
for a great many subjects the choice is between Roden and scratchbuilding. or building Tamiya Spitfires, Corsairs and Mustangs if you're the sort that let the subject matter be dictated by the availability of a near-perfect kit.
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I don't understand people that will only buy a kit if it just clicks together out of the box. Change your hobby: go and buy some Lego.
Part of the enjoyment for me is actually creating something, sometimes out of less promising components.
Of course some kits are good and some less good but I've built plenty of vacforms and resin models and the sense of achievement when you finish is all the greater.
Compared with, for an extreme example, the original Eduard short run 1/48 kits, (which I enjoyed building back then and would do so again now,) the Roden 1/32 Albatros D.III I'm currently working on is a joy - and a better challenge to me, as a modeller, than my WNW D.Vs .
If you want something that presents minimum challenges, there is a range of Corgi diecasts that might suit.
Please Mr Roden, give us anything new you fancy producing. I have all your WWI kits, love them, and will buy anything else you make.
Sandy
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Can’t wait for Roden’s next WW1 kits. Eduard, ICM and Roden are all producing kits far superior to their efforts in the 9Os and naughty’s - same as Hasegawa, Tamiya and Airfix.
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I don't understand people that will only buy a kit if it just clicks together out of the box. Change your hobby: go and buy some Lego.
no i get it, it's lego-driven not subject driven though. so why give a sideways f*** about WWI at all then though. if kits are your thing, Tamiya will keep doing Corsairs etc forever. and even if you hate Corsairs it's a gorgeous kit.
but if you care about the subject more than someone else's clever engineering? SO WHAT. i mean yeah a gorgeous kit might get me interested in a subject. but what drew me back into this is what drew me in when i was 7: history. subject. stories. so, nice kits are nice (for me) but so what.
Please Mr Roden, give us anything new you fancy producing. I have all your WWI kits, love them, and will buy anything else you make.
Sandy
Dear Roden ppl, +1. I have a LOT of your "old" "bad" kits already and will buy more. any WWI subjects you release i will automatically buy at least one. i do hope you do your best work but if you can't afford to keep up with the brief period of Sir PJ throwing a ton of money at the subject i'm ok with that.
just give me the correct shape and some good decisions please.
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Yeah they should get shape and surface right. WNW was awesome for accuracy but if Roden want to skip on super- detailing under the hood and having 3 types of engine cover that’s fine with me- save some $.
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Zavod... your opinions of Roden kits are now fairly clear but I'm currently making their 1/48 SE5a Hispano Suiza and it's been a fun and very enjoyable build.
You would have seen that the Forum has been encouraging Roden to resume production of WW1 aircraft kits since the collapse of Wingnut Wings and they have stated they will return to our favourite era, so on that basis I think we should be applauding a model company that is showing us it still has faith in producing WW1 aircraft models.
Constantly attacking a model company because of perceived issues with kits produced more than 10 years ago is frankly not helpful now. I have made several Roden kits and all have their challenges but the end result is pleasing and that's what matters.
My concern is this- if model companies perceive their market to be disinterested in their products- which are produced for a very niche customer base- there's a real risk they will just say okay, we'll do a Spitfire or 109 or Mustang instead and make a mint from them.
Just because Wingnut Wings is gone does not mean the whole hobby has to shut down now.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
Well I would say this, almost every time wingnut would announce any new kit, tons of guys on this very site would chime in and say, "I'm not going to buy it", or "I'm not interested" and I never once saw you correct any of them for saying that. If you don't believe me go and look for yourself, it's on almost every thread. It actually boggled my mind that people would bother chiming in to say that. I'm curious why you have changed your policy now? Is it because wingnut went out of business? When and if Roden decides to make more kits, and the usual suspects on this site start chiming in and saying they are not interested in that particular subject will you be admonishing them for saying that? The purpose of my comments are to let them know we will not accept lousy kits any longer. The bar has been risen and they should rise to the occasion, and frankly keep striving for more. Maybe if we all encourage them to make something of quality....they just might, and in turn we just might buy them.
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I don't understand people that will only buy a kit if it just clicks together out of the box. Change your hobby: go and buy some Lego.
Part of the enjoyment for me is actually creating something, sometimes out of less promising components.
Of course some kits are good and some less good but I've built plenty of vacforms and resin models and the sense of achievement when you finish is all the greater.
Compared with, for an extreme example, the original Eduard short run 1/48 kits, (which I enjoyed building back then and would do so again now,) the Roden 1/32 Albatros D.III I'm currently working on is a joy - and a better challenge to me, as a modeller, than my WNW D.Vs .
If you want something that presents minimum challenges, there is a range of Corgi diecasts that might suit.
Please Mr Roden, give us anything new you fancy producing. I have all your WWI kits, love them, and will buy anything else you make.
Sandy
I'm sorry I don't like crummy kits, but that's me. Lots of awesome models are made by lots of awesome manufacturers. Have you ever seen Tamiya's quality, and for that matter Hasegawa, or Dragon, or Meng, or Rye Field Model? You compare those manufacturers to Lego....really? In my mind I would rather spend the time building three Meng Dr. 1's instead of spending all that same time putting the rib tape details on the toy like wings of the Roden kits. If that's what you like, that's great, I don't begrudge you for it, nor do I throw shade in your direction. I'm just letting Roden know, that if they want my money, they should step it up. I do not have a Roden fetish, and I will not blindly love and buy whatever they serve up......
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Well I would say this, almost every time wingnut would announce any new kit, tons of guys on this very site would chime in and say, "I'm not going to buy it", or "I'm not interested" and I never once saw you correct any of them for saying that... I'm curious why you have changed your policy now? Is it because wingnut went out of business?
Guys, I think this thread is starting to stray into dangerous territory, but what I would say Zavod to your comments above regarding people not buying WnW kits is that people were likely less interested in the esoteric subject matter, rather than attacking the kit's quality (no one would suggest WnW kits weren't high quality). You can't equate the two, nor turn around and claim that Dave isn't supporting manufacturers because he didn't stop people from saying they weren't interested in a particular subject - that's illogical (a strawman fallicy).
You're judging Roden on a kit they haven't even produced yet, based on their technology from 20 years ago, and conveniently ignoring the very recent example that I have posted of their current quality. That's called confirmation bias - using evidence that confirms your position but ignoring evidence that goes against it. Do you think their Stearman is a 'turd'? I certainly don't.
At the end of the day, you don't have to accept a 'lousy kit'... just don't buy it. I (and probably a few others) will take a less then perfect kit over no kit at all. No kits means no sales, which means no manufacturers, and we're all back to building mustangschmitts or carving kits out of hunks of wood and plastic, Harry Woodman style.
Lastly, as a moderator, I'd kindly ask that you cease from making inflammatory comments against the manufacturer of a kit that hasn't even been produced. We're trying to encourage Roden to produce more WW1 kits and your comments are certainly not helping. More importantly, i'd ask that you desist against making derogatory comments and attacks against Dave, our forum owner, who pours his heart and soul into this site and our hobby. Otherwise folks, I dare say that this thread will meet a quick end.
Regards,
Brad
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Zavod.... you have made your points very clearly (and repeatedly) but now it seems you feel a need to personally criticise me too.
Here's what I'm trying to do Zavod. I am trying to have our forum form a close co-operative connection with the WW1 model manufacturers, like Roden and Copper State etc. No other forum or model site has really achieved this, they just sit on the sidelines and bitch and whine about manufacturers models. As if this will encourage the companies to do better or regard the hobby website with any respect.
I want our forum to be able to work with the model companies and liaise with them on subject choice and help them, with colour schemes and marking options etc. Our forum- us- helped persuade Roden to resume production of WW1 aircraft models after Wingnuts closed. No other hobby website has ever achieved something like this. I am rather proud of us all for this achievement.
Our friends at Copper State consulted the forum for marking options of their Nieuport XXIII RFC edition coming soon and I have offered Roden the opportunity to consult our membership for marking options for their new WW1 kits.
This thread that a handful of members have tried to derail with trolling remarks was designed to encourage Roden to re start WW1 production. It succeeded but now we have a sad change of direction toward flaming and nastiness.
In such situations I try to be as fair and impartial as possible despite provocations. So I asked myself : what would Des have done in a situation like this?
Well Des did not suffer such attitudes lightly so his options might have included deleting all the critical posts or locking the thread or even banning the member for their trolling.
I have not done any of these things but I will say this- don't push me.
The members of our forum are our #1 priority here and being a forum we expect there will sometimes be a robust exchange of views on issues, but that does not mean repeated posts pushing the same message over and over again.
So let's focus on the positives please. What we are trying to do here is encourage the growth of the WW1 aircraft model hobby.
I think that's worth fighting for.
David Wilson
Forum Owner & Administrator
Gold Coast
Australia
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I for one am really looking forward to seeing Roden's new WW1 kits. (As well as Copper State's!) Thank you, Dave, for keeping up your good contacts to the manufacturers and thus giving us the chance to get the kits we want.
Richard
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Thanks, Brad and Dave, for your efforts to keep this discusion civil (as well as the rest of the forum of course :))
I just wish to confirm my interest in any 32nd scale WW1 aircraft model. I do not say, this interest and eventual purchase will be regardless the kit quality, but having build some 20 Roden kits in 72nd scale and Spad VII in 32nd scale I will just say, they all were pleasure to build, even if some were very much demanding. And seeing the progress Roden makes recently (for instance the Stearman - very much tempting) I am sure we will have fine kits next year to discuss, buy, "plastic-sniff" and eventually build. I am really looking forward to the incarnation of the release announcements. Do go for it, Roden!!!
Yes, there will always be complaints around, it is a human nature, and we modellers are by no means any exception, but then, there are many of us waiting for the gap after WNW closure to be filled. And luckily it seems we have good reasons to see our hopes fulfilled.
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I am glad to see the progress that the forum has made in regards to Roden getting back in the game with WWI kits and Copper State Models on-going production and expansion of the Nieuport line. The potential ripple effect of these two companies is enormous. Aftermarket producers can now focus on materials to enhance the kits as they are produced. We could be seeing new decals, seat belts, resin goodies and whatever else the aftermarket folks can come up with. As Forum members, as WWI Modelers and enthusiasts, we should be encouraging these companies to continue down the path. Undue criticism helps no one. Make your point and move on. If you don't like the kit, don't buy it. I am glad to see Roden stating they are going to begin production of new WWI Kits. If they are like their Stearman, they will be great kits. I am also looking forward to the upcoming year to see what CSM has up their sleeve as well.
Yes, this is an historic event where a model company actually seeks the ideas of the forum. Let's ensure that it's positive ideas.
Kudo's to Dave W. and the team for reaching out and seeing this through. Exciting times I tell ya!
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Hi,
I’ll say it again- can’t wait to get a new tooled SPAD and look at the Strutter and Avro ;D
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Hi,
I’ll say it again- can’t wait to get a new tooled SPAD and look at the Strutter and Avro ;D
Me, too! Me, too!!
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Said it somewhere before and will say it again ...Pfalz Dr.1 and a Pfalz D.VII/III
Terri
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I hear these points and I agree with most. If we have Rodens ear, they we just need to let them know, molding and the hobby has come a very long way. And I would tell any manufacturer to shoot for the moon. Do your best, let the next kit be better than the last. Good enough is never good enough. Tell them that Wingnut kits were so good, I would buy them even if I wasn't jazzed about the subject. They were just so damn good I had to have it. Here's to hoping that's where Roden is heading. If they do, I'll be the first to say thank you.....and in a thread asking for ideas, then what about a nice 1/32 Albatros D III Oeffag, so I can use some of the sweet Aviattic Sworl decals. And what about a 1/32 Breguet 14. I love USAS Roundels so that would be something I could paint them on.
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Ooooh, yesss, I'd be in for a Breguet XIV, too! With USAS roundels! And with french cockardes!
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I still think that if they did their own Albatros D.V and Fokker D.VII versions, they would sell a ton of them, just like Wingnuts could have. If they get a steady stream of income from those obviously popular kits, they could spread out to the more esoteric subject matter. Every Jasta operated those aircraft and the marking schemes are innumerable. I know everyone here wants something that hasn't been done before but if you want Roden to really invest in our niche, why not encourage them to make kits that would be sure hits to the model buying public? Just sayin.
Dwayne
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I still think that if they did their own Albatros D.V and Fokker D.VII versions, they would sell a ton of them ....
Nice thought, but it would be a risky investment to tool up for a new Albatros D.V or Fokker D.VII knowing that the WNW moulds are out there somewhere and may resurface one day, perhaps at knockdown prices!
Sandy
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I still think that if they did their own Albatros D.V and Fokker D.VII versions, they would sell a ton of them ....
Nice thought, but it would be a risky investment to tool up for a new Albatros D.V or Fokker D.VII knowing that the WNW moulds are out there somewhere and may resurface one day, perhaps at knockdown prices!
Sandy
Two things regarding that. Is that a risk if the WNW or their molds re-emerge? Yes it is. But let me ask this, how many companies make Bf109's, Spitfires and Mustangs? The other thing is in regards to whether Sir PJ will ever let his babies go. If you read the interviews with the folks who were there and those who know him, the likelihood of that happening is remote. If I were going to take a risk and invest in the tooling to make kits, I would want to invest in a sure winner, and Albatros D.V's and Fokker D.VII's have proven sales to back them as choices. But make no mistake though, you are right when it comes to those choices being a risk.
Dwayne
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Wingnut kits were so good, I would buy them even if I wasn't jazzed about the subject. They were just so damn good I had to have it.
in that case you should seriously check out Tamiya's 1/32 Spitfire, Mosquito, Zero, Mustang and Corsair kits. somewhat different philosophy but on that level. i'm kinda the opposite, i'm all about the subject. but WWI is my primary interest.
what about a nice 1/32 Albatros D III Oeffag, so I can use some of the sweet Aviattic Sworl decals. And what about a 1/32 Breguet 14. I love USAS Roundels so that would be something I could paint them on.
OEFFAG is top of my wish list, Breguet 4th (after Hanriot and DH.4). so, i agree. emphatically. my Breguet might end up being Thai markings, they flew them around here in the 20s.
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Wingnut kits were so good, I would buy them even if I wasn't jazzed about the subject. They were just so damn good I had to have it.
in that case you should seriously check out Tamiya's 1/32 Spitfire, Mosquito, Zero, Mustang and Corsair kits. somewhat different philosophy but on that level. i'm kinda the opposite, i'm all about the subject. but WWI is my primary interest.
As nicely detailed as the WNW kits are, they aren't on the level of the Tamiya super kits you referenced.
Those are the best aircraft models ever made in 1/32 scale, though some are better than others.
The Zeros have some annoying gimmicks to them that Tamiya eliminated in later releases, for example.
I think the best model kit I have ever made, any subject matter, any scale, is the Tamiya F4U corsair in 1/32.
Sublime!
It is an interesting topic of conversation: do you build for the excellence of the kit/experience, or do you build for the subject matter?
If you can get both at the same go, that's great! A lot of the time, you can't.
Both approaches have their merits.
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It's astonishing really that a decent 1/32 Oeffag DIII (quickly passing over the Battleaxe offering) hasn't been available to date.I'm sure plenty of us are now itching to try out Richard's gorgeous swirl decals!
Cheers,
Dave.
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It's astonishing really that a decent 1/32 Oeffag DIII (quickly passing over the Battleaxe offering) hasn't been available to date.I'm sure plenty of us are now itching to try out Richard's gorgeous swirl decals!
Cheers,
Dave.
+1 on that!
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Wingnut kits were so good, I would buy them even if I wasn't jazzed about the subject. They were just so damn good I had to have it.
in that case you should seriously check out Tamiya's 1/32 Spitfire, Mosquito, Zero, Mustang and Corsair kits. somewhat different philosophy but on that level. i'm kinda the opposite, i'm all about the subject. but WWI is my primary interest.
As nicely detailed as the WNW kits are, they aren't on the level of the Tamiya super kits you referenced.
Those are the best aircraft models ever made in 1/32 scale, though some are better than others.
The Zeros have some annoying gimmicks to them that Tamiya eliminated in later releases, for example.
I think the best model kit I have ever made, any subject matter, any scale, is the Tamiya F4U corsair in 1/32.
Sublime!
It is an interesting topic of conversation: do you build for the excellence of the kit/experience, or do you build for the subject matter?
If you can get both at the same go, that's great! A lot of the time, you can't.
Both approaches have their merits.
I do some of both, Some aircraft are so great they just need to be built. Generally I'm inspired by a subject. I will say this, I am a 1/35th armor builder, but WNW was so fantastic, I just had to buy these kits and start building them. It was a very difficult thing to totally switch gears, and not just because of the different skill set, but the reference library was the worst part. I had no reference whatsoever. I didn't even know what reference existed or who made it. Common terms that are second nature to this genre meant nothing to me. It's been a lot of work to get to this point. But doing all kinds of models, not just one thing has opened my mind to many different techniques. That Corsair you speak of is a great kit. I also love the Zoukei Mura Horten 229 and the Ta-152 H-1.
Also can't someone at least do a conversion for the Oeffag? Isn't it basically the front cowling?
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Roden must have the data for the molds, maybe they could modify. Might be a good one to ease themselves back into the water with......
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A good article here explaining the differences:https://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=3198
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It's astonishing really that a decent 1/32 Oeffag DIII (quickly passing over the Battleaxe offering) hasn't been available to date.I'm sure plenty of us are now itching to try out Richard's gorgeous swirl decals!
Cheers,
Dave.
+1 on that!
+2 on that....(sworl decals) and Richard would be plenty happy about that as well....and again, our world is sorely lacking generally in all things Austro-Hungarian 1/32ly scaled...to beat a dead drum.
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It's astonishing really that a decent 1/32 Oeffag DIII (quickly passing over the Battleaxe offering) hasn't been available to date.I'm sure plenty of us are now itching to try out Richard's gorgeous swirl decals!
Cheers,
Dave.
+1 on that!
+2 on that....(sworl decals) and Richard would be plenty happy about that as well....and again, our world is sorely lacking generally in all things Austro-Hungarian 1/32ly scaled...to beat a dead drum.
Did the Phoenix’s have Sworls too?
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I'm with Terri, Pfalz D-VII/D-VIII, and Dr-1!
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I recently got their 1/32 Cessna O-1 Bird Dog and O-2 Skymaster (yes, after WWI aviation continued! :P) and if I may offer some constructive input based on these 2017 and 2018 kits.
-a few years ago Roden decals were pretty decent, but these are badly off-register to the point I had to get aftermarket decals
-even if they were usable, those for the O-2 are all modern warbirds, though they are labelled as Vietnam era aircraft. (and one is a different version that should have spinners that are not in the kit)
-if clear parts are included, please put them in a separate bag (I know some WWI kits have acetate sheets, but some, like the SPAD VII have injected parts). On both kits the clear sprues were put in the large parts bags and had parts coming off and badly scratched.
-especially the O-2 has quite a bit of flash, in fact, I think the O-1, though a slightly older tool, looks better, quality-wise. Though the proof will be in the building!
-though I haven't seen it so far in a Roden kit and will probably make them more expensive, some PE for antenna's and seat belts would be nice -no belts at all are included, like the WWI kits.
Otherwise they look like nice little kits, nice panel lines, engine, typical well-done tiny Roden parts (they are IMHO really good that that!) etc -though I wonder how long the undercarriage will hold... Nice touches include metal wires for the antenna's, and the fact that the original O-1 kit did not have an instrument panel decal, but the later O-2 and the also later "Asian service" boxing of the O-1 I have also has one now.
On the other hand, I got both for about 30€ each, so there is a bit of budget left to dress them up with AOA decals and some PE seatbelts :)
Jeroen
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Now that the next 3 kits from Roden have been announced is it relevant suggest the next 3 after that or too early?
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Now that the next 3 kits from Roden have been announced is it relevant suggest the next 3 after that or too early?
Did I miss something, what three kits were announced. :o :o
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Now that the next 3 kits from Roden have been announced is it relevant suggest the next 3 after that or too early?
Did I miss something, what three kits were announced. :o :o
Avro 504, Sopwith Strutter, and probably a SPAD XIII all in 1/32nd scale ;D
RAGIII
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Now that the next 3 kits from Roden have been announced is it relevant suggest the next 3 after that or too early?
Did I miss something, what three kits were announced. :o :o
Avro 504, Sopwith Strutter, and probably a SPAD XIII all in 1/32nd scale ;D
RAGIII
Thanks Rick, looking forward to releases and future purchases.... ;D ;D
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SPAD XIII early and late, as i understood it so i suppose one might consider that 4, but given Roden's past practice multiple boxings seem plausible (their SPAD VII for example).
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I would like to see Roden produce their range of 1/72 WW1 vehicles in 1/35/32 to match the aircraft kits. Like the recent Vauxhall staff car. There are others that they only make in 1/72 that would be usefull in the larger scales. Also would like to see French and German vehicles. Regards, Pete in RI
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Could Roden do a DVIII that is better than the current 2 kits out there? I think so. A nice re-entry and some parts commonality with their Dr1 possibly?
Steve
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Maybe you could combine the roden DV kit with the Mikromir kit?
Cheers
Andrew
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Could Roden do a DVIII that is better than the current 2 kits out there? I think so. A nice re-entry and some parts commonality with their Dr1 possibly?
Steve
I could be Way off here but My Guess is that Roden was involved with the Avis/ Mikro Mir tooling to begin with. Many of the parts are taken directly from DR1/DVI kits I presume with cooperation from Roden. JMHO,
RAGIII
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Could Roden do a DVIII that is better than the current 2 kits out there? I think so. A nice re-entry and some parts commonality with their Dr1 possibly?
Steve
can't get excited at the prospect of a third kit of a relatively insignificant aircraft when there are so many more significant ships unkitted in this scale.
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In 1/72:
Roland C.II
DFW C.V
1.5-strutter
SPAD VII
Halberstadt II
And a host of others, but most importantly: please, please have the decals printed properly, I’d happily pay for the extra cost.
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I would like to see a Hanriot HD2, an Albatros W.4, a Friedrichshaffen FF.33, a Curtis N-9, or a Short 184.
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Pfalz Dr.1 !!!
Terri
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Pfalz Dr.1 !!!
Terri
I would 2nd this, though I lean a bit more towards the Pfalz DVIII since it saw more active service and there are a few interesting paint schemes. Honestly though why not both? :)
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Halberstadt D types, 1/32 and 1/72 and 1/48.
Bristol Scout D or C in 1/32.
Hanriot HD. 2 in /32
Cheers
Syd
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Any news/information/reactions by Roden themselves, so far?
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Any news/information/reactions by Roden themselves, so far?
We announced back in August that Roden is resuming WW1 aircraft kit production and their first 3 new releases in 1/32 scale will be an Avro 504K, a Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter and a Spad XIII ( Early and Late variants).
Since then Roden has also invited Forum members to suggest colour scheme options for the 3 new kits.
This thread re what we might buy if they resume production pre-dates the later developments.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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Thank you, Dave!
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Friedrichshafen G.III
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All of them.
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I have to pretty much agree with Ryan. I have followed this thread since the beginning and haven't seen a suggestion I wouldn't buy. Some quicker than others, but I'd buy them all.
I'm looking forward to the announced first batch and can't wait to see how Roden has improved things, not that I ever found anything they did that was bad except a few decals maybe.
sp
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Friedrichshafen G.III
Any scale in particular?
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those asking for other scales, and more esoteric stuff...
bear in mind
a) further releases will likely depend on sales of these first three
b) the ratio of esoteric to popular needs to be fine tuned. undoubtedly my beloved UWD had a role in sinking WNW if sales are anything to go by (and they are)
that said i, too, will buy at least one of everything, and more than one of things with an extensive service record.
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Friedrichshafen G.III
Any scale in particular?
1/32
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I'll second that, will go well with the Gotha and AEG.
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Friedrichshafen G.III
Any scale in particular?
1/32
I’d go for one of these because I missed the WNW Gotha. I seriously doubt Roden will consider it though. WNW might have. We can dream.
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A 1/32 FF G.III?
Are you guys wishing the death knell on another manufacturer?
Only kidding, but I know I'll buy several SPADs, Strutters and 504's, but would pass on another giant in 1/32.
Sandy
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I'll second that, will go well with the Gotha and AEG.
Exactly, my friend. That way we'll have the trio of German bombers.
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I would go for a 1/48 FF G.III and AEG G.IV
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A 1/32 FF G.III?
Are you guys wishing the death knell on another manufacturer?
Only kidding, but I know I'll buy several SPADs, Strutters and 504's, but would pass on another giant in 1/32.
Sandy
Yep! I agree 100%
RAGIII
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what about an Aviatik Berg D1?
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A 1/32 FF G.III?
Are you guys wishing the death knell on another manufacturer?
Only kidding, but I know I'll buy several SPADs, Strutters and 504's, but would pass on another giant in 1/32.
Sandy
this.
except i'd buy one (ONLY one, there's the problem from a sales point of view. no one does a flight line of these things). and if it's go big or go home time, i'd prefer a 1/32 Ilya Mouromets. and Zeppelin-Staaken R.VI
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what about an Aviatik Berg D1?
Yes nice suggestion
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Besides a Friedrichshafen G.III & Sopwith 1 12, I would also buy in 1/32 -
Zeppelin Staaken R.VI
Friedrichshafen FF.33
Farman - Any Early War
Voisin III
Aviatik (Berg) D.I
Hanriot HD.1
Morane-Saulnier L
Hansa-Brandenburg D.I
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Hanriot D.1
Breguet XIV
AIRCO DH.4
Pere LUSAC 11
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Berg D1?? Yes, Yes, Yes! Why didn't I think of this before? Although this beautiful aircraft has many engine variants, different armaments and radiators... so that it makes a choice difficult.. for us and Roden! The colour schemes are legion and the aces flew them! Yes, we need one...
Marc
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I think it's about time we had a DH.5 in the stash.
Make it so, RODEN!
von B 8)
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‘All of the above’ ;)
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Never mind new kits, how about a release of decals you can rely on, Now I would buy these.
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I've mentioned this before at other forums discussing unrelated modeling topics, but as a general rule, decals are now the weak link in the modeling chain.
Everything inside a model kit box has become very good these days, except (often) the decals, and instructions.
Reviews still focus on "no flash" like it's 1975, but the industry has moved beyond flash for a long time now.
What we need more often is much better decals.
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I second the above. I have heard newer Roden decals are better, but all I’ve encountered have been a great paint to get into place - those that didn’t just disintegrate, that is. It’s a shame since Roden usually provides a wonderful selection of different paint schemes. I’ve come to just but aftermarket decals for just about every Roden kit I build lately (only 1/72, not sure if it is dofferent for other scales). I will surely continue buying anyway, but would love to see ”printed by Cartograph” in the corner of Roden’s decals too.
It’s not just us either, from what I’ve heard the decals seem to be a showstopper for many modellers who otherwise could have been potential customers, so it ought to be top priority for Roden to improve.
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I also agree about the decals. I will not start a kit unless i have secured decent aftermarket decals. For 1/72 builders Print scale has provided some nice combinations. Also Peddinghaus-decals.de has a great range for german aircraft. This is particularly true for Roden kits.
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As the Ukraine is not part of the EU, Roden would have to pay a 25% import tariff on Cartograph decals. This might increase the price of a kit one to three US dollars depending on scale. I think most modelers would gladly pay the higher kit price over having to purchase aftermarket decals or fight with the existing quality kit decals. Perhaps this forum could post a poll where modelers could vote for Roden to include Cartograph decals. Then the result of this poll could be sent to Roden.
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Yes it’s interesting. Pay more with aftermarket or for the package. For me the priority is the kit quality. The decals can be sourced.
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Folks, we are not running a poll on whether Roden should use Cartograf decals in their kits. A poll of this nature is too selective and ignores other quality decal manufacturers such as Fantasy Printshop who print Pheon's decals.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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Thank you, Dave!
But the fact that this thread went a little loose seems to be due to the fact that Roden is leaving us alone with our thoughts, ideas and wishes. Throwing in a question is one thing. (Not) Taking part in the developing discussion is another. To be clear: Roden's PR-manager should show up more often and drop a few kind words... (Or did he and I missed it? Then I'd apologize!)
Richard
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Is there any projected timeline when the kits are coming?
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Is there any projected timeline when the kits are coming?
Roden have previously stated the first 3 kits of the resumed WW1 series are due out in 2021. No firm release dates have been advised yet. The three kits are the Spad XIII, Avro 504K and Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter- all in 1/32 scale.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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Thanks Dave!
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Apologies to Dave Wilson. I should have been more general in asking Roden to please include decals from a quality company outside of the Ukraine despite a slightly higher cost.
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Brands aside, I would like to flip the issue of decals back onto the aftermarket industry. Most aftermarket manufacturers seem to be very hesitant to throw their hat in the ring for us Great War modelers. Some kit manufacturer announces yet another 1/48th scale P-## or Bf/Me/Fw and before it even hits the webstores we see dozens of announcements for upcoming 'gotta have' enhancements from AIMS, Eduard, Quickboost, CMK, Montex, and a dozen or more decal companies. I'm thrilled with the WWI decals I've scored from Pheon, Lifelike, and Aviattic, but if more of them would just show us a little love then I wouldn't be ambivalent about what Roden may have in store for us in the future.
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I really hope all you dudes are happy with these future releases but it just leaves me a bit cold. Also don't fool yourselves because these choices will not be great sellers just look at the prices of Wnw's kits on Ebay, I think Roden should have included a better seller and then maybe specialist decal makers may respond.
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I really hope all you dudes are happy with these future releases but it just leaves me a bit cold. Also don't fool yourselves because these choices will not be great sellers just look at the prices of Wnw's kits on Ebay, I think Roden should have included a better seller and then maybe specialist decal makers may respond.
Loopyloop... Roden are showing support for the hobby with their return to the WW1 market given the state of the world right now and the fact WW1 kits are a niche within a niche hobby.
You don't seem to appreciate too that Roden actually added the Spad XIII to the initial release group because it rated so highly in the wanted kits poll run by this very Forum. This is the first time anywhere I am aware of a model manufacturer responding so directly to a hobby forum's wishes. Please don't try to diminish what we have achieved here.
The releases may not excite you but many others will be very happy.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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Apologies to Dave Wilson. I should have been more general in asking Roden to please include decals from a quality company outside of the Ukraine despite a slightly higher cost.
I too, since I brought it up, should like to specify that I didn’t mean Cartograf in particular, I used it as a metaphor for good decals. Sorry for being a bit off-topic, but I think it’s important to communicate this point to Roden as I think it might be more important - for sales - than whether the next release is a SPAD or Half-strutter. :)
And how about a pusher in 1/72? DH2, Fe2 or Gunbus (<-attempt to stay on topic)
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Like all manufacturers, some Roden's decals can give problems, many are fine. I didn't see the same level of virulent opprobrium being levelled at Wingnuts for the faulty decals in some of their kits - Camels for example.
I was tempted back into the hobby ten years ago when I visited Marionville Models in Edinburgh who were about to migrate away from scale model kits to RC cars. I offered the proprietor 30GBP for the two Roden 1/32 kits he had - a Fokker D.VI and a Dr.I. I used the kit decals and the Roden lozenges gave my dormant skills a challenge but eventually covered the D.VI perfectly satisfactorily. They didn't make me give up again although the colours, even under a toning wash, might not satisfy everybody.
Anyway their decals were good enough to start me buying and building all the Roden and WNW 1/32 kits I could find. Three cheers for Roden!!!
Sandy
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That's the second Roden D.VI I have ever seen and it's a corker Sandy. It's next up on my list. I am going to use Aviatic decals and coax them on. Should be fun.
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Nice DVI and for the record my virulent opprobrium only shows when I wear my dancing pants....When you got back into the hobby I suspect you just got the job done because you said - "This is what I have for decals - so be it" Its amazing what you can accomplish with the basics and patience.
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I really hope all you dudes are happy with these future releases but it just leaves me a bit cold. Also don't fool yourselves because these choices will not be great sellers just look at the prices of Wnw's kits on Ebay, I think Roden should have included a better seller and then maybe specialist decal makers may respond.
if you think a SPAD XIII won't be a 'better seller,' then i have to wonder what you think hasn't been kitted that would be?
the WNW kits will still go for extortionate prices on ebay due to FOMO, their reputation for quality, and (now) scarcity. if you think Roden would be better off kitting a Fokker D.VII, well... i doubt it sorry. i think there are a LOT of WNW Fokkers out there and a LOT of people who will STILL pay a mint for it. i don't think people will break toward a new D.VII unless it's a repop from the WNW molds.... and with the molds' fate uncertain, and maybe uncertain forever, to my eye a D.VII would be a bad bet.
i can't think of any surer bet than the SPAD. and the other two are likely to be steady sellers as the only kit in the scale of the subject ever released.
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I really hope all you dudes are happy with these future releases but it just leaves me a bit cold. Also don't fool yourselves because these choices will not be great sellers just look at the prices of Wnw's kits on Ebay, I think Roden should have included a better seller and then maybe specialist decal makers may respond.
if you think a SPAD XIII won't be a 'better seller,' then i have to wonder what you think hasn't been kitted that would be?
the WNW kits will still go for extortionate prices on ebay due to FOMO, their reputation for quality, and (now) scarcity. if you think Roden would be better off kitting a Fokker D.VII, well... i doubt it sorry. i think there are a LOT of WNW Fokkers out there and a LOT of people who will STILL pay a mint for it. i don't think people will break toward a new D.VII unless it's a repop from the WNW molds.... and with the molds' fate uncertain, and maybe uncertain forever, to my eye a D.VII would be a bad bet.
i can't think of any surer bet than the SPAD. and the other two are likely to be steady sellers as the only kit in the scale of the subject ever released.
I wish you guys would read my post and note some of the words like a 'bit cold' and @specialist decal makers'. I am a WW1 aviation and kit fan so it follows that I will buy one or two of these through the course of time it's just they are not the top of my list. Now as folk here have moaning about a lack of quality decals for 1/32 WW1 kits I just thought that maybe other subjects could have been chosen to cover this but lets wait and see. Just one last point and please don't be offended but the Spad x111 will never feature on my wants list
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I think it will help aftermarketeers like Aviattic etc to have as many Fokkers out there as possible. And a spade load of Spads. Just my humble 2 cents worth.
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Hi Mark, and anyone else interested in the Roden D6 kit, don't forget Aviattic do a very nice PE set and resin cowling for it. Also Fokkernutz do a great 3D print control column. Regards, Pete in RI
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I really hope all you dudes are happy with these future releases but it just leaves me a bit cold. Also don't fool yourselves because these choices will not be great sellers just look at the prices of Wnw's kits on Ebay, I think Roden should have included a better seller and then maybe specialist decal makers may respond.
if you think a SPAD XIII won't be a 'better seller,' then i have to wonder what you think hasn't been kitted that would be?
the WNW kits will still go for extortionate prices on ebay due to FOMO, their reputation for quality, and (now) scarcity. if you think Roden would be better off kitting a Fokker D.VII, well... i doubt it sorry. i think there are a LOT of WNW Fokkers out there and a LOT of people who will STILL pay a mint for it. i don't think people will break toward a new D.VII unless it's a repop from the WNW molds.... and with the molds' fate uncertain, and maybe uncertain forever, to my eye a D.VII would be a bad bet.
i can't think of any surer bet than the SPAD. and the other two are likely to be steady sellers as the only kit in the scale of the subject ever released.
I wish you guys would read my post and note some of the words like a 'bit cold' and @specialist decal makers'. I am a WW1 aviation and kit fan so it follows that I will buy one or two of these through the course of time it's just they are not the top of my list. Now as folk here have moaning about a lack of quality decals for 1/32 WW1 kits I just thought that maybe other subjects could have been chosen to cover this but lets wait and see. Just one last point and please don't be offended but the Spad x111 will never feature on my wants list
no, not 'offended' about anything and hope you're not. at least i didn't intend to offend.
i got the impression that you were saying the SPAD XIII would not be a big seller. i disagree about that, regardless of your own interest (or mine). it's the last 'popular' kit that's still not currently kitted, IMO, and if they get it right it will be a hit, relative to WWI kits. regardless of whether you or i buy any.
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Catching up with the thread belatedly, I can't help thinking
Avro 504 YAY!
Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter YAY!,
SPAD XIII oh okay will get one and am sure everyone else will as well.
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It's interesting that Roden even considers the Spad. It indicates an interest in the subject as opposed to JUST sales. To put it in perspective WWII fans have recently received the Fiat Cr42 and Gloster Gladiator in 1/32 scale from ICM. Some may say the WWII era is a safer bet for a wider range of types but I'm not convinced (from a marketing viewpoint) that mono plane fans will be leaping at a bi plane quickly. Again, I think it shows an interest in the subject by the manufacturer. Long live models by modelers for modelers!!
Steve
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The Gladiator is a nice looking kit in the box, but as for the CR.42 I'm waiting for the Regia Aeronautica boxing to hit the stores.
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"Roden have previously stated the first 3 kits of the resumed WW1 series are due out in 2021. No firm release dates have been advised yet. The three kits are the Spad XIII, Avro 504K and Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter- all in 1/32 scale"... this sounds very nice for me. Maybe, for cleary reasons (parts of molds exist) a Nieuport XVII Bis be welcome, with version of Ronny Bar profile..(http://).
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I like that idea a LOT!!!
Steve