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Title: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 872
Post by: rhallinger on May 09, 2020, 02:16:51 AM
With the paper Parasol complete, it's time to get a shelf queen up onto her throne.  I have worked on this project off and on over the past year, more off than on.  Pretty far along though, but the ambiguous instructions and lack of clear attachment points for the struts, etc., have just prompted me to put it aside.  Now's the time to finish it!  (Thanks for the motivation Dave!)

Here is where things stand as I re-engage in this build:

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The national markings are masked and painted.  I made the blue edging around the wings too small, so you can barely see it, but I just can't bear to do all of that masking again for another 1/64 of an inch!  It will stay that way.  Need to paint the fuselage and tail feathers red to match the Ronny Bar profile for 872.  I'll figure out the struts. ;) ;D

Take care everyone.

Best regards,

Bob
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 852
Post by: Radarman on May 09, 2020, 02:52:34 AM
Bob,
It's good to see a Nieuport 11 on the go. The colours you've used look great.

                                                                                 Kevin
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 852
Post by: Borsos on May 09, 2020, 03:44:10 AM
I am also very happy to see such a nice Nieuport being build. The camouflage colors look great! One little thing: For a very long time now the WNW 80HP Le Rhone sprue is not available any more. But meanwhile thereís another source: Maybe you can contact Edgar from Copper State Models and buy a Le Rhone 80HP rotary. The thing in the Special Hobby kit hasnít much to do with the original.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 852
Post by: rhallinger on May 09, 2020, 03:57:48 AM
Thanks Kevin and Borsos!  For the colors, I followed the Tamiya acrylic mix recommendation for French camo in the WNW Salmson instructions.  I am happy with the results.  I will do rib-shading with chalks later. 

Borsos, thanks for the tip on the LeRhone.  I'll contact Edgar. 

Best regards,

Bob
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 852
Post by: rhallinger on May 09, 2020, 05:16:06 AM
Oooops!  I'm getting my numbers mixed up.  This will be Navarre's No. 872, not 852.  Not sure where the wrong number came from! :o

Cheers,

Bob
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 852
Post by: Monty on May 09, 2020, 05:37:13 AM
Hi Bob!

It's really great to see you joining in and with a Nieuport too! The 11 is one of my favourite all time aircraft, and you have made a stunning job of it so far! I do like your neat blue outlining of the wings, not too thin for me, rather just right! I'm sure you will get the struts figured out, I'm pretty sure it will be a challenge on my 24 as well! A big welcome to the Group Build! Marc
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 852
Post by: jeroen_R90S on May 10, 2020, 04:34:35 AM
Looks very nice so far! I'll be watching closely, as I have the Nie.16.
Does anyone know if the resin engine is correct for that one, or does that come with a different engine?
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 852
Post by: Borsos on May 10, 2020, 05:54:57 AM
Looks very nice so far! I'll be watching closely, as I have the Nie.16.
Does anyone know if the resin engine is correct for that one, or does that come with a different engine?
Itís a 110HP le Rhone, it looks differently from the 89HP and the resin engine in the 16 kit is also another one which looks way better.
Andreas
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 852
Post by: rhallinger on May 12, 2020, 06:07:44 AM
Thanks everyone!  I have managed to get the fuselage painted red, and I've trimmed the struts and started painting them.  So far, so good.

I thought about the suggestion of a Nieuport engine sprue from Edgar at CSM, but then realized that even if he sold me a spare, it would probably take 2-4 weeks to get here with current shipping constraints.  I'm not that patient, and trying to watch my modeling budget, so I looked around for what was on hand.  I happened to have a donor kit of a HobbyCraft Nie.17, and the engine was still there and looked passable, so I got right to it without doing any research (after all, it was a Nieuport 17 engine, so how could I go astray, right?).  It was done in no time:

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Looks okay, but the copper intake manifolds don't connect up, and something just didn't match photos of the actual aircraft, so I looked into it a little further.  Turns out that the Nie.17 engine is a Le Rhone 9j 110 hp, and what I need is a Le Rhone 9c, 80 hp.  There is an extreme visual difference, as those copper manifolds are on the front of the 9c and very visible, but on the back of the 9j I had just built and painted in my haste.  Grrrr! ::) 

I studied my 9j a bit and, being a frugal and impatient so-and-so, decided that I could convert it to a 9c with a little surgery.  Nothing has been easy about this kit anyway!

I decided to cut off the manifolds and push rods from the back of the crankcase, and craft the new manifolds from Evergreen styrene rod, like so:

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I need to fashion new rocker arms and push rods from strip styrene and then paint them to complete this.  We'll see how it turns out.  At least I'm saving time and money, and making it more challenging in keeping with the theme of this group build.  Honestly, I am rather enjoying tinkering with this engine to see if it will work. ;D

Cheers,

Bob   

 
 
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 852
Post by: smperry on May 12, 2020, 06:58:08 AM
That is one fine bit of scale modeling Bob. St. Harry would thoroughly approve.
sp
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 852
Post by: rhallinger on May 12, 2020, 11:19:04 PM
Thanks sp.  Got the engine pretty much completed this morning.  The details are not exact, but I am satisfied with the result and will move on to further areas.  Here is the progression:

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I've also made some decals for the rudder markings on the copier at work (shhh!) and painted and stained the main wing struts, so at least I am moving the ball forward on this one.  Hopefully I can maintain the mojo and see it across the finish line this time.  Thanks for your encouragement! ;D

Cheers,

Bob
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 852
Post by: RLWP on May 12, 2020, 11:46:46 PM
Clever stuff, Bob

Richard
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 852
Post by: smperry on May 13, 2020, 12:28:39 AM
Bob
I really like the little flanges you put under the intake pipes. I also like the valve rockers. They take the whole thing up a notch. Were those rocker arms pinned with plastic rod or sprue? Both rockers and flanges appear amazingly uniform. A few words about how you accomplished that would be of great interest.
sp
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 852
Post by: rhallinger on May 13, 2020, 02:10:48 AM
Thanks guys.  Sp, all of the bits are styrene rod, strip or angle stock from Everygreen, much of it in extremely thin sizes.  The flange bases for the manifolds are thin flat strip, maybe .30 x .10.  After I glued them in place I tried applying a little liquid cement to soften the ends so they would curl down to match the curve of the crankcase.  Didn't work as I had hoped, but still ok.  The crimp in the bottom part of the copper manifolds (apparent in prototype photos) was made before painting with a pair of flat needle-nose beading pliers.  Works well with soft styrene.  The rockers were hand cut from some narrow thin strip, and they are actually far from uniform if you could see them up close!  ::)  Paint, weathering and attached parts must contribute to that uniform appearance!  For the visible rockers below the cowl, I drilled out the wide end of the rocker and the support, and attached those parts with .015 plastic rod.  Too lazy to do that for under the cowl, where I just glued the rockers to the supports. ;)

I enjoy the noddle work involved in trying to figure out what materials will work to achieve a certain appearance.  Always nice when you have the correct materials on hand too, particularly if you are an impatient cuss like me. ;)

Thanks for looking in.  More to come, as I have now discovered that the Alkan syncrhonized Lewis gun mounted on the deck forward of the cockpit will require some minor surgery on the fuselage deck.  More fun! :o

Cheers,

Bob       
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 852
Post by: smperry on May 13, 2020, 02:25:19 AM
Thanks for the details Bob. Just great work. Spares box parts and stock rod and card looks better than most kit engines.
sp
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 852
Post by: jeroen_R90S on May 13, 2020, 08:26:55 PM
Looks very nice so far! I'll be watching closely, as I have the Nie.16.
Does anyone know if the resin engine is correct for that one, or does that come with a different engine?
Itís a 110HP le Rhone, it looks differently from the 89HP and the resin engine in the 16 kit is also another one which looks way better.
Andreas

Thanks Andreas!
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And some great work on converting the Academy engine! :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 852
Post by: Monty on May 18, 2020, 01:53:27 AM
Lovely work on the engine Bob! It looks quite authentic - and beautiful in the cowling! I'm glad there is good progress here... Regards, Marc.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 852
Post by: rhallinger on May 18, 2020, 04:13:16 AM
I am posting some state-of-the-build photos just to show that i am still at it and making some very deliberate progress.  I am mostly cleaning up small details, getting bits painted and planning what needs to happen before i can get the wings on this bird.  Time-consuming and not a lot of photos of forward progress, but it is inching forward.  Fuselage is now red and weathered, struts are all trimmed and ready for paint, rudder has decals applied, air induction tubes are made and painted, Alkan synchronized Lewis is lifted from the CSM Early Nie.17 kit, tail skid added and painted, oil and gas filler caps made and added, and . . . Gee, I guess i've done more than I thought! ;)  Here is where thimgs stand as of this morning:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49905990757_5ce2cd3142_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j32fmv)N11: 5/17/20 (https://flic.kr/p/2j32fmv) by Robert  Hallinger (https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49905174238_706ee4db50_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j2X4CA)N11: 5/17/20 (https://flic.kr/p/2j2X4CA) by Robert  Hallinger (https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49905689711_3d0dcdf4ec_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j2ZGS4)N11: 5/17/20 (https://flic.kr/p/2j2ZGS4) by
Robert  Hallinger (https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/), on Flickr

Getting there slowly but surely.

Cheers,

Bob
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 852
Post by: rhallinger on May 19, 2020, 12:21:45 AM
Got a little more done this morning.  I think I have the mojo to get this one done finally, at least until the wing mounting turns into a fiasco. ;)

Speaking of which, I am currently trying to decide on post-shading the ribs, chalk or Tamiya smoke airbrushed, both over masked ribs.  I did the left lower wing with chalk, but maybe should have used a darker color, and the right lower wing with Tamiya smoke--much more subtle.  Any opinions out there before I decide?

Note the total absence of any locating holes for the cabane struts on the fuselage deck.  Not even a mild indent for location!  Also, the front cabanes had a perpendicular bottom, to be mounted on that steeply sloping front deck just aft of the cowling and above the stitching.  A good deal of sanding on the bottom of the cabanes was required to get a closer angle for flush mounting with the cabanes sticking straight up. :o

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Thanks!  Take care everyone.

Cheers,

Bob
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 852
Post by: Alexis on May 19, 2020, 12:36:38 AM
Stunning , well done so far Bob . I would say you have made great progress on this . I do like how how the red turned out on the fuselage most excellent  :)


Terri
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 852
Post by: fixman on May 19, 2020, 04:06:50 AM
indeed very nice especially the camo ...  good job here
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 852
Post by: Monty on May 19, 2020, 04:20:51 AM
Ooh! some nice modelling there! The red fuselage looks really good, the rudder too! Marc.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 852
Post by: rhallinger on May 19, 2020, 11:43:20 PM
Thanks Terri, fixman and Monty.  You are too kind, and it is appreciated.

I decided to go with darker weathering chalk for the rib shading, rather than Tamiya smoke through the airbrush, so I washed off the lighter chalk from the one lower wing, taped the ribs on all wings with Tamiya yellow tape cut into strips, and chalked away with a makeup brush.  Looked pretty good to my eye so I sprayed on a coat of semi-gloss clear to fix and protect it all, and on we go to next locating and drilling the strut holes and eyelet holes for the rigging.  Progress!

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I'm getting close to running out of other things to do on this, so I'll have to begin air frame assembly soon.  I think I'll need to create a jig from scrap to keep the fuselage straight and support the lower wings in the proper position.  I replaced the plastic locater pins in the wings with brass wire, but it's still a very weak joint.  In hindsight, I should have installed a brass tube across the bottom of the fuselage interior to accept longer brass rod pins from the lower wing roots, but that ship has sailed (or is "that plane has flown" more appropriate? ::)).  I'll have to rely of the jig, and maybe some clear epoxy to strengthen that joint when the time comes.  Until then . . .

Cheers,

Bob
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 852
Post by: Alexis on May 20, 2020, 10:28:41 AM
Nice job on the shading  8)

Terri


Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 852
Post by: pepperman42 on May 20, 2020, 11:28:21 AM
Thats coming along very nicely

Steve
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 852
Post by: rhallinger on May 23, 2020, 01:18:47 AM
Thanks Terri and Steve!  I seem to have regained motivation to see this one through.  Of course, now that I've gotten this far, I found a great article on building this kit by Mike "Sandbagger" Norris which I had printed out long ago and then forgot.  Had I remembered (or found) this article earlier. I might have just have followed Mike's advice from his experience and I likely would have avoided a few pitfalls.  Oh well, I'll do that on the next one of these I build! 

I am now into the Memorial Day weekend pause from modeling, so I thought I'd bring this up to date since nothing further will happen for a bit.  The last few days have involved several small but necessary items in detailing the fuselage, getting the tail feathers in place and locating and drilling the strut holes and holes for rigging eyelets in all components and parts, along with gluing the eyelets in place and adding wire pins to the struts.  Tedious non-photogenic work, but essential to moving the build forward.  Here's where we are:

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You may note that I have chosen to paint the horizontal stabilizer and elevators red, as opposed to matching the camo of the wings, which I have seen done in some builds of 872.  I reached this decision for a several reasons.  Foremost, I am relying on a Ronny Bar profile of 872 which shows the tail as red; who am I to question Mr. Bar's research? ;)  Second, Navarre's Nie.11 No. 1130 had a red fuselage, and its tail planes were painted red also; makes some sense that this motif would be consistent.  Third, when I did the wing camo painting many months ago, I did not paint the tail planes at the same time; had I thought they were camo, I think I would have painted them along with the wings.  Fourth, there is no photographic evidence I know of to conclusively support either scheme for the tail planes.  Finally, I am theorizing that perhaps 872 appeared both ways.  My idea is that the fuselage was painted red first, and the tail planes got painted red at a later time.  This last rationale is particularly helpful, since I managed to forget which red paint I used on the fuselage and grabbed a different bottle of red from another manufacturer when I painted the stabilizer and elevators, so the shade is slightly different from the fuselage. :o  I was not going to repaint anything at this point, so the later painting story works well to explain the slight shade difference, as the paint used at the front could have varied a bit as stocks were replaced at the aerodrome.  That's my story and I'm sticking to it! ::)  As dear departed WNW was fond of stating in their beautiful model descriptions: "WWI colour schemes are contentious at the best of times . . ." ;D         

It will soon be time to construct a jig to help support attachment of the lower wings.  That will be a big step, about which I am somewhat nervous.  First though, I will rig the tail and ad the stabilizer struts to finish off the rear of the aircraft, and ad the Lewis gun and windscreen to the front deck to finish it off.  Getting closer now, and I am very pleased with how much I have accomplished on moving this build forward in only two weeks since I resumed,  Take care everyone, and to those of you here in the US: enjoy Memorial Day weekend while taking a moment to remember those who gave the last full measure in service to their country. 

Cheers,

Bob   

 
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 852
Post by: lcarroll on May 23, 2020, 04:48:27 AM
Bob,
    I had a good chuckle when I read your rationale for the red scheme on the tail surfaces of this one. It's refreshing to see the shift in approaches to decoding WWI Aircraft color schemes over the past several years and the associated "one and only correct experts approach" to the subject. I would add emphasis on the "it's your model so use your best interpretation logic to the function.
   That having been said lovely job thus far. What reds have you used?
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 852
Post by: rhallinger on May 23, 2020, 11:29:23 PM
Thanks Lance.  Having also been an O scale model railroader previously, i have an eclectic assortment of paints, and i use whatever is at hand and hasn't dried up, and looks good to my eye.  The fuselage is an old Pollyscale Soo Line Red.  By the time i got around to the tail planes, i had forgotten and grabbed the nearest red to the paint booth, a Vallejo Red.  Pretty close, but the Vallejo is darker and a true red, while the Pollyscale tends toward a more orange tint.  They both look fine to me!

Best,

Bob
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 872
Post by: rhallinger on May 26, 2020, 11:11:02 PM
I got the tail rigged last night without too much drama, save for having to relocate the PE control horns on the top (ummm, as I went to pull a bit of Uschi elastic thread to the top elevator horn, it dawned on me that the horn at the back of the horizontal stabilizer probably wouldn't help much with elevator control--duh :o).  I suspect Covid lock-down brain drain, as I find my mind getting a bit foggier the longer this goes on.  I am prescribing additional daily doses of modeling to improve my brain function! ;D  Got nothing to do with jellyfish, but it's a heck of a lot more fun than popping supplements! ;)

Anyway, after surprisingly easily relocation of the horns to the elevator and making some minor cosmetic repairs, the rigging was completed swiftly.  Here is the tail all done:

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I'll move on to the front fuselage deck next, adding the windscreen and Lewis gun to finish up the front end.  Then it's on to the wings! :o  I may have to do a little adjustment on my attachment points there.  I'll get it sorted.  Have to build a jig then.

Cheers,

Bob 
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 852
Post by: Borsos on May 27, 2020, 12:07:47 AM
What a beauty. I am keen on seeing her wings spread and on her legs.
Andreas
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 872
Post by: rhallinger on May 27, 2020, 11:33:21 PM
Thanks Borsos!  Wings and legs will be up very soon--in fact next, after a bit of minimal work on the front fuselage deck last night. 

I added the windscreen and synchronized Lewis gun, as per photos of 872.  Navarre used different gun placement on his several Nie.11s.  Most had top wing-mounted Lewis guns, but 872 had the Lewis set up on the front deck ahead of the cockpit, and incorporated a synchronization system called Alkan.  I used the gun and synchronization block from the Copper State Models Early Nie.XVII, which includes a few different Lewis guns (including, conveniently an Alkan-sychronized Lewis).  I plan to build a wing-mounted version of the CSM kit, so a suitable donor was available. ;D  CSM did a nice job with the Lewis--very delicate and fine.  The windscreen is from the PE fret from the SH kit.  Here is the updated fuselage:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49941059533_f5eb4ba1b5_b.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49941575111_5a225559b7_b.jpg)   

It seems like an awkward placement for the Lewis gun in terms of having to reach over or around the windscreen to change mags, but I guess better than having to stand up in the cockpit to change mags on the top wing-mounted Lewis. :o  Makes you wonder how they ever did that with the strong slipstream even at low speeds.  I would likely have fumbled around and lost the magazine overboard, if I didn't fall out myself in the process first! ;)  Then again, I'm not in my early 20s like most of these pilots were.  Still, pretty amazing activity while piloting the aircraft in combat,  when you stop and think about it. 

I am currently building the jig to hold the fuselage and lower wings in proper position for gluing.  The little pins will be of insufficient strength, so I am studying using a narrow bead of epoxy along the wing root.  I plan to try an experiment first with rolling a narrow strand of JB Weld epoxy putty (the white water resistant version that works with plastics) and see if that works.  My thought is that there is a small gap between the fuselage and wing root, and a thread of putty epoxy might fill that as well as give a stronger bond between wing and fuselage.  It's also less messy than liquid epoxy, which could end up all over the place.  Any thoughts out there, sports fans?  Anyone ever used JB Weld epoxy putty on a model?  Any other ideas?  I will experiment relentlessly before committing glue to the model itself, so any suggestions would be welcome. 

Cheers,

Bob 
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 872
Post by: Borsos on May 27, 2020, 11:44:54 PM
Same plane, same time, same unit... they would team up quite well I think...
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=9442.90
Best regards,
Andreas
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 872
Post by: Radarman on May 28, 2020, 01:51:02 AM
Bob,
I really like the way this build is progressing. The shade of red you have used looks very convincing.

                                                                                                                                      Kevin
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 872
Post by: jeroen_R90S on May 28, 2020, 06:54:58 AM
Another nice Nieuport! I lke the "deep" red shade of the fuselage :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 872
Post by: Alexis on May 28, 2020, 10:48:06 AM
Shaping up really nicely Bob . How do you like using the Uschi rigging line ? I find it to small in diameter for 32 scale rigging .

I would remove the pins and replace with a thicker brass pin instead . Everything hangs from the top wing so if you have a strong structure in the cab struts no need to over kill the lower wing .


Terri
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 872
Post by: rhallinger on May 28, 2020, 11:55:23 PM
Thanks all!  Borsos, that is a beautiful Nie.11 you've built, with better detailing than the bird I'm working on, but I'm sure they would patrol well together. ;) ;D

jeroen and Radarman, thanks for the kind words.  I am pleased with the red shade as well.  . . . and thanks to Jean Navarre for initially choosing to create a rouge fuselage as his flamboyant early war paint scheme.

Terri, I am relatively new to the Uschi thread, this being only my second use.  I have a spool of EZ-Line which I normally use for the tough bits like PE control horns and tail rigging, which is where I primarily use the elasticized thread.  The Uschi appears thinner than the EZ-Line, but someone here commented that the Uschi is more round and EZ-Line more oval, so I decided to try the Uschi.  I think they both work well, and who knows about the scale?  I ended up using the Uschi on the paper Parasol kit, which required elastic thread for all of the dicey rigging of a high-wing monoplane of very lightweight structure.  It looks pretty good, I think.  In the future, I suspect I will use the two types of elastic thread as needed, as they seem fairly comparable to me.  However, for structural rigging of the wings on a plastic kit like this Nieuport, I will definitely use fishing monofilament and Bob's Buckles to give support and strength to the structure--and because I like the way it looks! ;D  Oh, and thank you for your suggestion on larger pins.  I will likely do that. 

Working on the jig for the wing attachment now.  This may take me into the weekend,  Here's a preview with things just set in place;

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49945439017_f72c16b2c7_h.jpg)   

Until later,

Cheers,

Bob
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 872
Post by: pepperman42 on May 29, 2020, 03:41:16 AM
That looks great as the parts come together/ Looking forward to the top wing and the contrast between camouflage and bright red!!

Steve
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 872
Post by: rhallinger on May 29, 2020, 04:14:05 AM
Thanks Steve!  I'm really looking forward to (and sweating a bit) the wings going on, too. ;)  It can be a little touch-and-go with the SH kits.  We'll see how it works out if I take my time and measure and test fit multiple times, instead of bulling my way in, as is my usual approach. ::) 

Andreas, thank you so much for that link to your build from a couple of years ago.  I went back and reviewed it in detail.  I wish I had started out with that thread, because you did a masterful job of dealing with this kit.  I learned a great deal from reviewing your build thread which will be helpful on my next one of these!  Your model is extraordinary.  Can you explain how you did the propeller?  It looks just amazing!  Thanks.

Cheers,

Bob
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 872
Post by: Borsos on May 30, 2020, 09:48:02 PM
Bob, Thanks a lot, thereís much IĎd do differently the next time. but I am happy if it can help a little bit. The prop is real wood. i glued together several layers of veneer using carpenter glue and carved the prop after letting it dry for 24 hours using a new scalpel blade. A scan of the kit part, printed on paper and glued on top of the veneer was a huge help. After carving, sanding and polishing I went over it with some mid-to-dark brown stain and some layers of clear coat.

Best regards,

Andreas
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 872
Post by: Alexis on June 01, 2020, 10:07:16 AM
Man that is looking really sharp !


Terri
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 872
Post by: rhallinger on June 03, 2020, 12:38:00 AM
Well, finally an update after a weekend of frustration trying to get the wings on this bird, followed at last by triumph and satisfaction yesterday.  After multiple attempts, reworking various struts, fabricating some new brass parts, resetting almost everything in the strut department, all punctuated by much swearing, sweating and periodic sanity breaks, I finally got everything reasonably together and have the wings mostly rigged.  Bottom line is that I messed up the lower wing dihedral on one side slightly, and ending up having to lengthen one main strut.  I won't even go into the self-induced issues with the cabanes (if you build this kit, do it the way Andreas did, and test-fit everything together before painting, and get the struts all set securely beforehand, especially the cabanes). :o  My fix is not . . . optimum, but it will have to do, and the model looks pretty good to me at this stage. Honestly, I'm thrilled just to have it all together, all things considered. :o

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49963505762_dbeb163fc6_h.jpg) 

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49962722833_5419f253e4_h.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49962722868_f395078f68_c.jpg) 

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49963225556_d813927f90_c.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49963225506_73194a302b_c.jpg)

Looks kind of like a Nieuport, n'est-ce pas?  I still have a small bit of rigging to do, but it's now ready for the landing gear, which the test fit indicates should be okay (I probably just jinxed it! ::)).  The kit prop is painted and the oil stain drying in the drying box.  Getting close on this one.  I think I might actually complete this shelf queen, a prospect which was briefly in doubt over the weekend (glad now that I resisted the urge to give her a test flight from my bench).  I hope to be done within a couple of days now.  It will be a mixture of relief and pleasure when I get there, but then again, that probably describes my reaction to most of my completed projects. ;)

Cheers,

Bob
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 872
Post by: Radarman on June 03, 2020, 01:02:02 AM
Bob,
This is really coming together nicely.

                                             Kevin
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 872
Post by: rhallinger on June 03, 2020, 06:56:40 AM
Thanks Kevin.  It was agony and then ecstasy, all in a few days!  Modeling is like that sometimes.  I am pleased that this one has rather suddenly come together and the end is in sight. 

Cheers,

Bob
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 872
Post by: rhallinger on June 03, 2020, 11:58:04 PM
Got the landing gear on and rigging completed last night, so all that's left is waiting for the oil-painted prop to dry thoroughly so I can seal it with orange clear coat, paint the bosses and pop it on.  That'll probably happen tonight or tomorrow.  Here are final shots on the bench sans prop:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49965912613_3045e45036_c.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49966419806_1b065a0028_h.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49966693292_bb34fefbe2_h.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49966690437_2e62c571c6_h.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49966410366_9e086f2e4a_h.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49966409156_9470a6696c_h.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49966688777_c0aef70fd7_c.jpg)

Well, I did persevere and get this somewhat challenging kit completed, so that's a distinct positive outcome.  Despite the warts and miscues along the way, I am happy with the way it turned out, and very pleased to finally have one of Navarre's Nieuports on my shelf.  Thanks to all who looked in and offered encouragement, and to Dave for establishing this group build theme which prompted me to get this one back on the bench and finally completed about 18 months after I started it! ::) 

I'll be heading back to a paper kit next, but may first complete a figure that's been staring at me from the window sill (fuzzily visible in some of the photos above) for about a year.  It's supposed to be an RFC pilot, but could easily be RNAS, as I now need a figure to complement my Warneford Parasol, so this will be a very short second Coronavirus Lockdown Theme project. ;D 

Take care all. 

Cheers,

Bob

Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 872
Post by: lcarroll on June 04, 2020, 03:55:04 AM
   Very nice finish Bob, the scheme is a real eye catcher. I'll save my raves for the Finished Model thread but I gotta say I REALLY like this little devil!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 872
Post by: Borsos on June 04, 2020, 04:52:52 AM
I am always happy to see a Nieuport being build and this one is even a very beautiful one. You did a great job on this, Bob (and believe me: 18 months on and off builds ... thatís nothing, thatís not even a slight delay  ;) )
Andreas
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 872
Post by: Monty on June 07, 2020, 04:15:08 AM
Wow! Lovely Bob! Such a lot of inspiration there! A great result! Marc.
Title: Re: Coronavirus Lockdown Stalled Build: SH 1/32 Nie.11-Jean Navarre No. 872
Post by: RAGIII on June 29, 2020, 07:23:46 AM
This is one of the most beautiful finishes I have seen on an early Nieuport! Outstanding all around!
RAGIII