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The Trading Table => Buy - Sell - Swap - Trade => Topic started by: Dekenba1 on May 04, 2020, 06:28:11 AM
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I am wondering whether there is an appetite amongst the forum for the swapping of a few Wingnut Wings kits for other Wingnut Wings kits.
For instance, I am trying to get hold of a Sopwith Triplane - original boxing, or Collishaws, I'm not fussy! - , an early Halberstadt, a Gotha G.I, Albatros B.II, Pfalz D.XII and possibly a Junkers D.I, but I'm not paying the hugely inflated - and stupid - prices being paid now.
I could sell a kit for said stupid inflated prices, but I really don't feel comfortable doing so.
So I thought if I swapped a WNW kit for another, we'd both end up filling holes in our stash without overpaying.
I've got several kits where I have duplicates, plus various versions of the essentially same airframe. These would be sacrificed for the greater modelling good, with my "excess" kits matching holes in your stash, and your "excess" kits matching holes in my stash.
Any thoughts on this please, gentlemen (and ladies)? Any interest, or should I start saving now to get a $500 Sopwith Pup in a year or two?
Any swaps would ideally be limited to the same country, or continent, such are the shipping costs these days.
I thought about offering non WNW kits, but I honestly can't think of anyone who wants to trade away their WNW kits?
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I think it's a great idea?
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I agree with James, this idea has a lot of merit, should be a "win/win outcome, and importantly leaves the online profiteers out in the cold! What Kits might be on offer from your side of the deal?
Cheers,
Lance
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I'm in the U.S. would we want to keep it U.S. TO U.S. , or something similar to keep shipping down?
James
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I think keeping deals in the same country or continent is a must for most deals. Every now & again somebody will be desperate for a kit & will pay the extra shipping to get it from Sydney to Washington or something.
My duplicates:
SE.5a;
DH.9a Ninak;
Albatros D.V;
D.Va;
D.Va (OAW);
Albatros "Jasta 5"
Felixstowe (Early or late);
Bristol F.2b;
Jeannin Stahltaube;
Fokker D.VII (Fok or Alb or OAW or F)
Hannover Cl.II;
HB W-12;
Junkers J1;
Roland D.VIb;
LVG C.VI;
Pfalz D.IIIa;
Fe.2b Late;
RE.8 Harry Tate;
Rumpler C.IV Early;
Sopwith Dolphin;
Sopwith Snipe Late;
Sopwith Camel - any;
I also have non-duplicates that I could always trade, and over 30 1/32 Roden kits, if you want an early Albatros or something French.
Thanks guys!
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I think this is a great idea.
There are no doubt a few people like me who have WNW kits they would happily trade for that special kit they never managed to get.
Let m have a look in the garage
Marcus
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Okay folks... the idea of a Wingnuts trade for trade arrangement is good but this is an international modelling community forum and we have a firm policy that any deals are offered to all of our members, not just those of a specific country.
This is a non-negotiable matter.
Yes, postage costs are brutal but they are a fact of modern life. However if people are willing to bear the postage costs to get a kit they desire, then it should not be an issue.
People who want to restrict deals to specific countries cannot do so on this Forum. Any such posts will be deleted in future.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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Okay folks... the idea of a Wingnuts trade for trade arrangement is good but this is an international modelling community forum and we have a firm policy that any deals are offered to all of our members, not just those of a specific country.
This is a non-negotiable matter.
Yes, postage costs are brutal but they are a fact of modern life. However if people are willing to bear the postage costs to get a kit they desire, then it should not be an issue.
People who want to restrict deals to specific countries cannot do so on this Forum. Any such posts will be deleted in future.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
100% correct, Dave.
I'm more than happy to pay for international shipping if it means I get the one kit I crave and isn't available in my neck of the woods.
Cheers,
Bob 8)
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100% correct, Dave.
I'm more than happy to pay for international shipping if it means I get the one kit I crave and isn't available in my neck of the woods.
Cheers,
Bob 8)
It's not the international postage that's the problem, Bob, it's the taxman. I've received several models from the US, clearly marked as "gifts" but in every case, they have been held at customs and a ransom note for VAT and handling fee (usually about 30GBP in total) issued. Pleas of increasing desperation have been ignored and in one case a model returned as I refused to be extorted.
I would have liked to swap something for a certain kit but if it were coming from outside Europe I couldn't do it as I know I'd get a Parcel Farce ransom note to pay before I'd get my kit, no matter how large the "GIFT" markers.
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100% correct, Dave.
I'm more than happy to pay for international shipping if it means I get the one kit I crave and isn't available in my neck of the woods.
Cheers,
Bob 8)
It's not the international postage that's the problem, Bob, it's the taxman. I've received several models from the US, clearly marked as "gifts" but in every case, they have been held at customs and a ransom note for VAT and handling fee (usually about 30GBP in total) issued. Pleas of increasing desperation have been ignored and in one case a model returned as I refused to be extorted.
I would have liked to swap something for a certain kit but if it were coming from outside Europe I couldn't do it as I know I'd get a Parcel Farce ransom note to pay before I'd get my kit, no matter how large the "GIFT" markers.
Unfortunately the forum cannot account for the taxes of various countries; I dare say it's up to the individual to understand what import taxes pertain to their respective countries and account for that in considering any sales they wish to pursue. We here in Australia suffer from three things - a poor dollar conversion rate, high postage rates, and a Goods and Services Tax, so believe me when I say that I understand taxes and international trading can be frustrating. However, as Bob has said, I am prepared to pay a little extra if I really want something.
As Dave has said as the administrator here, and I agree, we don't want to restrict trading to within certain countries only on the forum. The aim is fair trade for all.
Thanks,
BC
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Okay folks... the idea of a Wingnuts trade for trade arrangement is good but this is an international modelling community forum and we have a firm policy that any deals are offered to all of our members, not just those of a specific country.
This is a non-negotiable matter.
Yes, postage costs are brutal but they are a fact of modern life. However if people are willing to bear the postage costs to get a kit they desire, then it should not be an issue.
People who want to restrict deals to specific countries cannot do so on this Forum. Any such posts will be deleted in future.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
If I'm trying to swap kits and a forum member outside of the EU wants to swap, I have to pay an additional 20% VAT on the value of the kits I get, plus pay a large amount of money to ship my kits overseas.
It means any deals quickly become unworkable, as the cost to me skyrockets.
I appreciate the argument that a buyer would pay the shipping for a kit he wants from me, but that leaves me with large shipping & tax bills.
If I'm forced to offer deals to all forum members regardless of where they live, I'm potentially just signing up to hand large amounts of cash over.
The entire idea is to swap kits.
Forcing worldwide deals makes it too expensive and defeats the object. I can't offer swaps on that basis.
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Ladies and Gentleman,just hang on to your kit's until this Storm blows over.
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I was the one who originally asked if we should keep it within country/countries as I wasn't sure if same like Sandy, who gets screwed by his country's customs, is kinda why I asked at the time. It doesn't matter to me at all, as it's a swap shop, and each would be paying shipping, so it's cool with me. Dave, if you feel this needs to be removed, by all means remove this post. Just trying to clarify, is all.
James
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Do we expect to have such a surge in WNW trading that it would rate its own sub-forum? It seems to me that such traffic could be easily accommodated by the existing Buy/Sell/Swap area.
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An observation, if I may: the admin policy of “equal opportunity” in trading (which is entirely reasonable, and well within any set of rules the site may establish) does not imply “equal outcome.” Offer in public, but deal in private. If I offer something in trade or sale, I’m not obligated to accept ANY offer from ANY corner of the world. Since the administrators (as stated in the rules) are not abiters in any dealings, it is left to individuals to negotiate what is “fair” or “equal.” IMHO, as it should be.
Most respectfully, Rob
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Rob is quite correct in his summary that equal opportunity bidding does not mean a person has to accept any particular offer from any corner of the earth, nor are we trying to dictate how members do their buy/ sell/ trades. All we are saying is that all deals should be on offer to all members. That's the fair way for a global hobby community. Who you choose to trade with is your choice.
And we won't be setting up any Wingnut Wings sub forums for trades or buy/ sells. These can be comfortably accommodated in the existing buy/ sell/ trade board.
Dave W
Gold Coast
Australia
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If I'm forced to offer deals to all forum members regardless of where they live, I'm potentially just signing up to hand large amounts of cash over.
The entire idea is to swap kits.
Forcing worldwide deals makes it too expensive and defeats the object. I can't offer swaps on that basis.
You are not forced to do anything... Its your choice to accept or decline an offer.
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If I'm forced to offer deals to all forum members regardless of where they live, I'm potentially just signing up to hand large amounts of cash over.
The entire idea is to swap kits.
Forcing worldwide deals makes it too expensive and defeats the object. I can't offer swaps on that basis.
You are not forced to do anything... Its your choice to accept or decline an offer.
Oh.
I hadn't thought of that.
I can be incredibly dumb sometimes.
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Look before you leap!
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Frank, civil, courteous, & sober (well I’ve only had two pints) discussion of, at times, contentious subjects. . .I’d like to think that Des would be proud of the community he and others created. . .
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i'm gonna get my comment in before Rum O'Clock so i can tick the "sober" box.
swapping on here is a good idea, i've bought from people on here before. my impression's this community's a reliable lot.
i'm based in Thailand so there would be shipping back and forth, and possibly tax. if and when anyone wants to swap with me i'd suggest the following terms: higher side pays difference in shipping, and higher side pays difference in tax/duties. here, the tax man's pretty random. my Re.8 duellists landed with NO tax, the tax on a 1/72 submarine kit was equal to what i paid for the kit!
that said, swapped stuff before with people on other continents, it's been pretty easy. shipping back and forth to Australia or NZ is pretty cheap (but international shipping is slow at the moment due to the plague).
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Sounds good, with the caveat that the international impositions are considered first. I just saw some EBay biding prices, ridiculous. An option to swap duplicates with ones you missed in the panic buying- great idea!
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Agree and disagree here.
My thoughts and commitments:
- I will trade here with fellow modellers if it is not compromising to the manufacturers who are still standing after all of this.
- If I do trade with any of you, I will only do so at the original cost to me + the actual shipping to your location or by swaps on the same terms and only for items where the current maker is out of business.
- I will not on sell kits or after-market parts where the current manufacturer still exists and needs our support by buying directly from them.
- If I can afford it, I will be buying kits and after-market parts directly from those makers. In other words, if we want our favourite suppliers to continue to trade we should support them by buying directly from them.
- If they are dead post this - and heaven forbid anymore fall over - then openly and honestly trading here is a much better option than the nutty prices on Ebay and Trademe. We can still support each other if it is in an open and fair way.
Wingnut Wings qualifies as a tradeable proposition as they look to be all but non-existent as a seller. But - as someone has said - let's wait for the dust to settle...they may dump a massive amount of kits onto the market and those who paid a premium now will look very silly then. But who knows? The future took a turn towards the completely unknown many months ago...
A
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agree with most of what Aliluke said, especially that part about buying directly from manufacturers.
i'm not going to be too hard line on the manufacturer being out of business, but if an item's sold out with no new production planned, it's fair game as far as i'm concerned.
that said, while there's a lot of WNW stuff i want (OAW Fokkers, Junkers D.1 especially) there isn't much i'm willing to part with. i could let go of an Early Snipe (i was going to build Barker's ship, then the Barker edition came out) or the original DH.2 (same with Hawker). could also trade a Goering D.VIIF for a non-F D.VII.
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Aye, there’s the (trading) rub: I have two of the kits you’re looking for, but you’ve nothing I want, and even if you had, I’d be looking much closer to home than Thailand. . .
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The one I wished I'd bought at the time was the Benz engined Roland D.VIb (32017), but it sold out very quickly. In case somebody has a shelf full of them I'd offer a swap for the original DH2 (32028) or Albatros D.Va (32015) but these have of course been re-released in other boxings so may be less rare. Also since I'm in the UK, it would make completion on an international swap difficult.
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Aye, there’s the (trading) rub: I have two of the kits you’re looking for, but you’ve nothing I want, and even if you had, I’d be looking much closer to home than Thailand. . .
i'd bet i have something you want. however, the odds are i'm not willing to part with it :p
i may likely build the DH.2 as Wilkinson's ship. i may just sell the Snipe outright, swaps are logistically difficult except from 'Straya or Japan. shipping from the US to here is extortionate so i usually buy from pretty much anywhere else. shipping FROM Thailand is not expensive, but one may find the tax man looking for import duties. usually for me decal swapping is a better option than kit swapping.
also i expect WNW will at least sell off their inventory, so i should be able to get the OAW sprues and early Fokkers, i've already got the OAW decal sheets.
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Lets keep in mind, WNW MAY resume sales of existing kits, but the OOP kits are still OOP. So, I'd like to acquire an Albie BII and a Junkers D1 but the Gotha is still a no go.
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I think that swapping kits is a great idea. If the RRP of the kit you want to swap is the same as the kit you are exchanging then its just the cost of postage and what could be better than that? I've sent a PM and I hope that I might get a favourable reply in due course.
Simon