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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => What's New => Topic started by: Pup7309 on April 21, 2020, 10:20:50 AM
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Assuming here that WNW isn’t coming back in the same form I was thinking how many kits did they produce? How many are still warehoused? I know some kits sold out quicker than others. Was it popularity, production run or both? I imagine there are enough kits in existence to saturate the market until a new company starts up (though maybe less in the very short term.)
And should I still try to order from their website?
A few questions, anyone have any ideas?
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Wingnuts have never disclosed their total production run but it's thought there could be at least 100,000 individual kits in circulation now. That figure may be way too low. The only people who know the numbers are not talking. Former staff had to sign confidentiality agreements, and anyway kit production numbers would form part of the data at the heart of any company selloff.
Regarding their website, Wingnuts ( or whoever is running the place now) have officially suspended online ordering for the time being. We have requested comment from the new management on the status of pending orders. They have not responded to our questions.
So you can't order from their website and, as a customer, I would personally be wary of doing so if they reopen until I was reassured they have a proper dispatch system in place. At the moment I believe the doors are locked and the staff who know how to process orders have been made redundant.
Bricks and mortar and online hobby shops are your best bet for Wingnut kits now plus the online forum buy/sell groups.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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As Dave said, WNW never released any figures, so we don't know.
Retailers are your best bet, at least until WNW start up again - if they do.
Avoid EBay. Prices are crazy.
Forums are worth a look, as many modellers prefer to sell to other modellers.
If you are not desperate, I'd recommend just waiting if you can't find any. Personally, I think that WNW will reappear in another guise, at which point prices will return to normal. Ish. But it may take 2-3 years before this happens, as it's as unimportant an industry as one can imagine, so will be last to be fixed after the virus is beaten.
As always, these are just my opinions, I have no more info than anybody else.
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I have been looking for wnw kits here in the states and all of the places i know of are all sold out except for some of the less popular models.
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Yes it’s funny how some are less popular- too much rigging/ expensive etc.
If they were to close then the kits would be assets to be sold off surely? I wonder when that will happen?
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I would not worry too much, there is money to be made from the moulds themselves.
I am sure that most if not all will be sold and re-made at some time. Might be a while offcourse, but I am sure we will see the plastic parts again.
Depending on strategy, we will either see the more popular ones first (Albatross, Pfalz, Fokker) or the ones that were sold out quickly and never re-issued like the H-B W.29 and the Hannover kits
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I would not worry too much, there is money to be made from the moulds themselves.
I am sure that most if not all will be sold and re-made at some time. Might be a while offcourse, but I am sure we will see the plastic parts again.
Depending on strategy, we will either see the more popular ones first (Albatross, Pfalz, Fokker) or the ones that were sold out quickly and never re-issued like the H-B W.29 and the Hannover kits
The only thing I would add is that in the future, any new successor in interest to WNW is likely to want to make money alone. They aren't also going to be fueling their personal desire to see obscure aircraft model kits being built, as was the case the first time around.
So in that sense, we may never see some kits again--those with a really poor sales history.
By the same token, the "limited edition" nature of the more popular kits is also likely to be gone.
A new company would be foolish not to focus on the most popular kits and pound them out indefinitely for years, as Tamiya tends to do, for example.
I'm talking the Pfalz, Sopwith Camels, Albatros DVs, the Fokker DR.Is that are apparently close to finished, etc.
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So I’ll guess we’ll see in the near future if they are going to reopen for sale?
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Interesting thread - and good to focus on the potential positives in the future. It's pretty safe to say we will never see kits from NZ again - sure, the company design and administration and some distribution was from there, but All the production was in Korea and China - so at least two companies were involved. Now, for sure, in this day and age, the moulds remain intact, stored, and ok to be used again at these companies. This is invariably the case with just about every company I can think of - except Eduard, ICM and a few others... So WNW mould manufacturers also own a share, or part of the mould production, whatever the defunct WNW company tries to say or do - they are too valuable. I take a very safe bet no mould went to NZ. ( They are enormous and very heavy for 1/32 subjects...) So will we see production from them in the future? You bet! We need the legal stuff to settle, the mould makers were caught by surprise, just like us, as they were undoubtedly working on moulds til very recently, and I'm pretty sure they won't be too happy with the sudden stop! I'm also not sure they will be remunerated in full, so will itch to get return on their own investment in future... interesting scenario! As with other companies that have disappeared (Think ESCI, Accurate Miniatures) we see their stuff often in numerous other colourful boxings, I'm sure the present owners of the moulds trot them out, punch out a few thousand and sell them on... We want to see this happen with the WNW moulds! Even if the new decals are less than ideal, aftermarket will sort us out! Don't panic or pay those Evilbay prices - the re-releases are sure to cost less. There are enough kits going around at retailers to keep us out of mischief until the reboxings arrive! Enjoy what you have and please keep building and blogging them, let us at least keep the spirit of WNW alive!
Regards, Marc.
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Good post Marc, I hope and believe you're right that these amazing kits haven't disappeared forever. I am still hopeful of getting a WNW SE5a, I was too late to the party to get one.
Yes, don't pay ebay prices! I managed to get a Pfalz DIIIa from an ebay seller for the normal retail price the day before the news broke. Within a few days the price had more than doubled. The kits are great but not worth the kind of ridiculous prices being asked by some cultures.
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[...] Don't panic or pay those Evilbay prices - the re-releases are sure to cost less. There are enough kits going around at retailers to keep us out of mischief until the reboxings arrive! Enjoy what you have and please keep building and blogging them, let us at least keep the spirit of WNW alive!
Regards, Marc.
110% agree! Great analysis of the actual situation and future expectations.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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With respect to Monty's great post. I know how those in the movie industry operate...there is sure to be an IP clause in any agreement with the those who made the WnW moulds. Jackson is very likely to recall those moulds and simply destroy them. Various sets, props and models in the industry are dealt with this way all the time. It is painful to hear about but the attitude is "I made it and if I can't have it, neither can you". Ruthless. Don't bet on Jackson's WnW letting their IP fall into anyone elses hands. Sorry...
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In light of the fact that WnW represents a quantum leap in plastic kit quality; it is not the molds and their future that matters. What really matters is the knowledge to make molds of that quality. That hopefully can be applied to future kits from existing or new companies. It would be lovely to see the popular WnW molds re released at some future point, but even if they are destroyed, the knowledge to achieve such quality will ensure the hobby as we have recently come to know it will continue.
sp
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Just in case anyone thinks Alistair's preceding post may be a bit harsh as regards Sir Peter Jackson's decisions re the moulds for Wingnut Wings, I would not rule out the option of him storing them somewhere to deny others their use.
Since the shock decision to close Wingnuts was known ( but as yet still not officially stated) Sir Peter has made zero comment on the shutdown of his hobby business. He is not formally required to do so but given the worldwide shock at the closure, you'd think he - or one of his official WnW representatives - would make some comment on the matter.
Instead, the people now running Wingnuts have erected a wall of silence around the debris of the business. Our approaches for comment have been ignored.
This week we formally reached out to Sir Peter Jackson seeking a comment on the demise of Wingnut Wings. There has been zero response from him. Sir Peter has not offered a single word of comment or explanation and unconfirmed reports say former staff are as much in the dark as the rest of us.
Are they selling the moulds? We don't know. Wingnuts' assets would include the company name, intellectual property, CAD renders, tooling ( the moulds) and all stock in NZ and scattered across warehouses around the world.
Maybe they'll be sold off, maybe stored away for better times. Maybe not. Alistair's right that in the movie industry big sets and props are often destroyed after use so they can't be used by "cheaper" productions.
The Wingnuts saga is becoming as complex as a Wingnut Films movie!
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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There is a post on another site about how the moulds in China, particularly, are only produced after a joint agreement with the mouldmakers whereby the moulds are improved, maintained and stored Only by the manufacturer of the mould - as only they understand how to use it and produce from it. The moulds are enormous and complex - they need a forklift to move - and I sincerely doubt the Chinese will, under the circumstances, listen to any legal argument, let alone pay for the enormous shipping costs! I'm pretty sure Sir Peter's cash flow doesn't stretch to a protracted international wrangle and the associated costs! So be positive, there will be something good in the future! That's why I excluded Eduard, Academy et al from such a scenario, they do their own tooling in house and own all their own moulds. (And other peoples moulds too, sometimes!) Other companies that could go down the WNW route if they cannot arrange a favorable buy-out include Airfix, Revell and even Tamiya! I really, really think Sir Peter got caught out completely by whatever financial or political crisis hit him.
Regards,
Marc.
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Thanks Marc and Dave great insights.
It’s also interesting to hear an alternative perspective re PJ storing or destroying the moulds.
New Zealand is opening up business again in the next few days so I for one will be checking their site.
But it seems they will be true to form and play their cards pretty close.
Hopefully it won’t be a big information blackout until kits are re released (or not) in the next few years.
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I really shouldn't get into speculation...I'm just a cynic when it comes to Jackson. Maybe you are right Marc. Fingers crossed and just for luck, I just bought a brand new WnW Bristol F.2b (post war) on Trademe NZ for less than the WnW price. So there is hope out there...
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it would be very difficult to get or destroy the molds from China. the Chinese government, while signing on to international IP laws, do not enforce intellectual property laws with any kind of consistency. granted this was 15 years ago, but DVD bootlegging was so rampant i'd get bootleg DVDs of their films to give to my obscure indie filmmaker friends. EVERYTHING had been knocked off. thus i think the "destroy the molds" scenario highly unlikely, at least for the kits produced in China.
Korea is a different story.
also the movie biz don't destroy *everything*.. Tom's Diner (the one in Seinfeld) is still up near Columbia University in Manhattan :p
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I heard they moved from Korea to China or vice versa, but not sure of the details except it forced the price up a bit and the colour of the plastic.
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Richard has previously said that WNW were also using India for moulding & sprue production.
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Richard has previously said that WNW were also using India for moulding & sprue production.
There was no tooling or production done in India. Not sure where you heard that information as its incorrect.
Everything was done in Korea or China.
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it would be very difficult to get or destroy the molds from China. the Chinese government, while signing on to international IP laws, do not enforce intellectual property laws with any kind of consistency. granted this was 15 years ago, but DVD bootlegging was so rampant i'd get bootleg DVDs of their films to give to my obscure indie filmmaker friends. EVERYTHING had been knocked off. thus i think the "destroy the molds" scenario highly unlikely, at least for the kits produced in China.
Korea is a different story.
So they might turn up in a market in Hong Kong! I noticed there are knock offs of all sorts of things from China. Just out of interest how long does it take from injection to market? I was thinking maybe the Handley Pages could still be on their way...
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i think the more popular kits are likely to turn up again... in some form.
i'm not optimistic about the ones that haven't been released yet, although the 0/100 is very close to crossing the finish line (Mike Swinburne on Facebook's building the one they sent him).
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Richard has previously said that WNW were also using India for moulding & sprue production.
There was no tooling or production done in India. Not sure where you heard that information as its incorrect.
Everything was done in Korea or China.
Perhaps I'm confusing WNW with another manufacturer?
I'll try & remember where I read it, it'll no doubt turn out to be some other manufacturer...
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I think it could be Airfix. I have a feeling that Inread that some of the tooling was done there.
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Just a thought, but although the tooling is likely to be sold off there's no guarantee that they'll resurface producing kits again.
The dies from the DeLorean car manufacturer ended up being used as weights at a fish farm.
I really hope we see WnW resurface again as a premium product with an owner with the same commitment to quality, but the assets will most likely be sold off to the highest bidders which may not include model firms.
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Just a thought, but although the tooling is likely to be sold off there's no guarantee that they'll resurface producing kits again.
The dies from the DeLorean car manufacturer ended up being used as weights at a fish farm.
I really hope we see WnW resurface again as a premium product with an owner with the same commitment to quality, but the assets will most likely be sold off to the highest bidders which may not include model firms.
The slight difference being that DeLorean cars were absolutely awful - expensive, unreliable, slow & prone to break-downs - whereas WNW are amongst the very best 1/32 aeroplane kit manufacturers on the planet.
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DeLorean cars are best used in the manufacturing of Time Travel Machines. Build one and go back in time, stock up on Wingnut Wings kits, or better yet, go back further
and find out the true colour of Voss's F.1 cowling.
Kevin
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whereas WNW are amongst the very best 1/32 aeroplane kit manufacturers on the planet.
Were.
Which sadly probably wouldn't prevent the tools being sold for scrap if that's where the highest bid comes from.
But hopefully not! 8)
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whereas WNW are amongst the very best 1/32 aeroplane kit manufacturers on the planet.
Were.
Which sadly probably wouldn't prevent the tools being sold for scrap if that's where the highest bid comes from.
But hopefully not! 8)
Like hedgehogs during the winter, WNW are merely hibernating.
WNW kits will fly again, albeit under what name we'll have to await.
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Like hedgehogs during the winter, WNW are merely hibernating.
WNW kits will fly again, albeit under what name we'll have to await.
I highly doubt that.
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Sorry I have to agree with Dave :( No one has the capacity to pick up the WNW baton without tons of money, a total commitment to an odscure subject and an equal commitment to an obscure hobby. Bye bye Wingnuts - you will be missed by us much poorer obscurists! Thank you to all the team at Wingnuts for putting the kits, to date, in the pool. They are utterly remarkable in every respect! I wish you all the best for your future in different pursuits.
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I agree it is unlikely Wingnuts as a complete entity, (under it's own, or another name), is likely to be seen again. If sold, nobody in their right commercial mind would pay much for the moulds for the wonky Gothas, or indeed many of the obscure DFW, AEG, Jeannin etc types: those that wanted such types will have mostly bought the first releases and the market will be flooded.
No, if PJ were willing and able to sell moulds (which is of course by no means certain,) I'd imagine any future re-releases would be much more like the Revell reboxing of a few individual popular 1/48 Eduard types - Brisfit, Albatros, etc. So we might get the Albatros, Pfalz, SE and Camel Scouts and maybe, just, the new Dr. I - from Revell or Italeri or Misterkit, or,or, who knows. I doubt though we'll ever see the gooney birds again. (Thank God!!!)
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I think we need some tools to answer these questions...
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A new owner of WNW's mould's doesn't even have to like WWI modelling. They could prefer modern jets (perish the thought!).
My point is that WNW have around 50 moulds (I haven't counted), all 100% completed, each with accompanying - superb - instruction manual already designed, box design already completed, bits of PE already completed. The research to back up the decal choice is also there, as is a relationship with the retail trade & a very committed customer base.
In fact, there has been PE developed for at least some kits that, if available, would improved the kits - the mythical "special editions".
If I were to run WNW, I'd continue with the Eduard "Overtrees" approach and price them accordingly. No instruction booklet, no PE, no fancy box. Just the sprues. For those with spare decals & instructions from a previously made kit.
I'd re-pop the existing moulds "as is" and release those as "standard kits" & priced accordingly.
I'd look to continue developing the "Special Edition" kits, adding PE, brass barrels, resin wheels, etc, and that would be premium priced.
I would also look outside the WWI era. Not WWII - that's saturated - but pre-WWI and inter-war. The 1920's and 30's had some beautiful aeroplanes that, if available at all in 1/32, come in resin.
I'd also start a database of WNW builders, utilising it to communicate directly with builders, depending upon how many kits are sold. It would indicate demand for certain kits, provide real-time kit feedback, help pricing, etc.
Just like WNW, the actual sprue manufacture would be subcontracted, the printing would be subcontracted, the boxing would be subcontracted. WNW does the designing & makes the decisions, but undertakes no manufacturing themselves. This allows you to run the business with a small team & screws overheads to the floor.
That's what I would do.
I'm going to raid my piggy bank, check my disposable income.
£87.12 down, only £1,995,912.88 to go!
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Could we beg Jeff Bezos to step in. After all he's just made an extra $24bn dollars, think he could afford it. We'll run it, just need his money. ;D
Cheers, Mark
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I just wish there was more news of what the heck happened or an official statement from PJ. It is all so disappointing given how amazing the whole WNW trip has been.....
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I agree. The somewhat sudden nature of this with the HP's on final and the Dr.I's in the pattern did not make sense. I looked at the NZ Corporate records filings, similar to a US secretary of state's office and saw that PJ was the director and that He and Fran Walsh were the only shareholders. The only other rumblings would be the changes in distribution, the mis-cue with WETA warehouses in the US and Europe, to change to normal hobby distribution; and perhaps some of the staff shake-ups late last year. So, I do not expect to ever hear the unvarnished story. It is a shame. But for a passion project to be deep-sixed suddenly and to fold up, it was likely significant.
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From my experience from being employed within the group, I highly doubt that anyone will see the molds any time soon. I know there are people making moves for them currently, but I highly doubt that PJ will let his toys go.
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I am writing a detailed feature article on the closure of Wingnut Wings.
This will be uploaded soon.
Stay tuned folks!
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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From my experience from being employed within the group, I highly doubt that anyone will see the molds any time soon. I know there are people making moves for them currently, but I highly doubt that PJ will let his toys go.
Dave, do you think it likely he will reopen the website and sell of the inventory?
thanks again for the Rumpler sprue you sent me a while back, and also thanks again for not charging in spite of my kit being an 'as-is' warehouse damage.
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I am writing a detailed feature article on the closure of Wingnut Wings.
This will be uploaded soon.
Stay tuned folks!
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
Looking forward to it!
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I am writing a detailed feature article on the closure of Wingnut Wings.
This will be uploaded soon.
Stay tuned folks!
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
Fantastic! Tired of being in the dark!
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I am writing a detailed feature article on the closure of Wingnut Wings.
This will be uploaded soon.
Stay tuned folks!
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
thank you. please make laminated hard copy available, i don't want to ruin my laptop by weeping on it.
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We need somebody to step forward and shed some light on this, and really some information on the WNW closure would be more than welcome. On the other hand, I believe WNW are defaulting their loyal customers by not being forthcoming and transparent with the current situation, we customers deserve to know the truth as we are part of the chain market of WNW.
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Ok, I have been following this thread and considering all the speculation, wishful thinking and negative prognostications that have been bandied about in an attempt to answer the question in the subject of this thread.
I respectfully submit that is the wrong question to be answered. We may see repops of the molds at some point, Decals might get re-printed or the AM folks may make new ones. But that total package from box to packing, to sprues, to decals, to PE and extraordinarily documented instructions will not be reproduced as a package for these models again. Any future use of these molds will be based on the primary tenet of making a profit. That may serve to get more of these incredible sprues in our itching hands, the engine sprues would be a real money maker at this point. Unfortunately we have seen the last of the "whole package" kits that we have come to love produced. So the real question concerning WnW kits is not how many THEY have left, but how many do YOU have left? Stocks of WnW kits on hand will dry up as quickly as they are made available. There will always be a few turn up at outrageous prices as their owners die off or simply decide they need some cash. But as far as the magically complete kit packages that WnW produced, Unless you are rich or lucky, you have what you have, so savor them as you would an irreplaceable bottle of fine wine. You aren't going to see these magnificent kits in all their glory again.
I do not mean to sound negative because there are some very positive signs that the industry is picking up on the WnW example and producing kits of high accuracy and detail with state of the art instructions. Gaspatch, CSM and Aviattic among others. WnW kits may no longer be generally available, but the experience of building an exquisite model from an extraordinary kit is a legacy WnW has left us all and in that respect WnW will always be with us.
sp
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"Unless you are rich or lucky, you have what you have, so savor them as you would an irreplaceable bottle of fine wine." Thanks, sp!
I'm far from rich but I count myself lucky that I still have eight WNW kits in the cache. Not that many in comparison with other Forumites I'll wager, but enough for me at my age to enjoy and "savour as I would an irreplaceable bottle of fine wine" for the next few years! For all of our members I hope that each one of the more positive prognostications found in this thread come to pass for you in due course. Best of luck to all! 8)
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I intended to ‘uncork’ another kit this week but feel a bit unsure now! Still hoping they reopen the warehouse at some stage. That will give us a chance to purchase any we missed out on in the panic buying and bring prices back down, for now
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I have modified this post about my stash of models as I have spotted a more sensible place for it in the forum and my post took this thread off topic.
Cheers
A
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Hi thanks for your list. I noticed there are some interesting 1/48 subjects (WW1 and post WW1) . I was hoping WNW would do some of these. Especially something like the Macchi M5 ( CSM? Anyone?) If WNW closes I hope a quality manufacturer steps in to ‘complete’ Maybe there is an opportunity for 1:48 scale here? 1/32 is the perfect scale for a WW1 fighter but a Felixstowe or Gotha might be more display friendly in ‘48 (but the rigging might also be more fiddly).
But back on topic, the question I’m still curious to find out is what is happening to their warehouse stock not sold. All those lovely early DFW’s Rolands and Rumplers no one wanted until just recently? Those decals and brown box kits?
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From my experience from being employed within the group, I highly doubt that anyone will see the molds any time soon. I know there are people making moves for them currently, but I highly doubt that PJ will let his toys go.
Dave, do you think it likely he will reopen the website and sell of the inventory?
thanks again for the Rumpler sprue you sent me a while back, and also thanks again for not charging in spite of my kit being an 'as-is' warehouse damage.
No problem Jeff. To be honest, I am not sure... But it would be silly of them not too.
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We need somebody to step forward and shed some light on this, and really some information on the WNW closure would be more than welcome. On the other hand, I believe WNW are defaulting their loyal customers by not being forthcoming and transparent with the current situation, we customers deserve to know the truth as we are part of the chain market of WNW.
That is a fair comment... But knowing how the organisation works, I highly doubt that they will issue a statement, they don't want to feed the media where they could attack Peters reputation.
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Just had a quick look on eBay. Some of the prices are unbelievable.
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Just had a quick look on eBay. Some of the prices are unbelievable.
WNW H/B W29 is going at Evilbay for USD$ 455 at the moment, this is complete madness.WNW hoarders are feasting at Ebay with senseless people willing to pay those prices much for a piece of plastic
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‘Must have it, this is my last chance’ Have to admit I’m not immune, but in this case have ‘enough’ but a bit bummed that the half dozen or so I was thinking about are just way too expensive (before you even add the exchange rate, taxes, postage etc)
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At the end of the day, someone will pay what they think its worth. I have been guilty of that in the past, I ended up getting the HPH 1/32 Catalina and C-47, I know I spent too much on them! ???
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At the end of the day, someone will pay what they think its worth. I have been guilty of that in the past, I ended up getting the HPH 1/32 Catalina and C-47, I know I spent too much on them! ???
Lol! I’m sure many of us have overstretched ourselves on occasion. I came to buying WNW relatively late and got pretty burned by the dollar downturn. But for once am not feeling I have to get in at the top of the market. :)
Someone said (I think in another forum) ‘who really wants a Felixstowe anyway?’ Well me for one and I’m blown away everytime I open the lid. And if you ask if I prefer the early or late I couldn’t decide.
Will I part with it to make quick killing? Not on your life, precious.
...continuing the theme of the fellowship:
Peter, if you’re out there please ride/ swoop in on a financial Shadowfax/ giant eagle and save Wingnuts and the new Dr1 from the the corporate orcs and fires of Mt Doom!
Daz Baggins.
PS Thanks for that extra sprue Dave, awse!
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If anyone is interested Sprue Brothers still has as of a couple hours ago -
Gotha G.I - 32 In Stock - $199
Gotha UWD - 126 In Stock - $199
Still at the regular price.
James
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Holy smokes - things are getting crazy out there for WNW stuff
$125 USD for a single sprue???
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-32-Wingnut-Wings-D-VII-OAW-Sprue/333607349755?hash=item4dac8c2dfb:g:rN8AAOSw08FeysDL
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Holy smokes - things are getting crazy out there for WNW stuff
$125 USD for a single sprue???
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-32-Wingnut-Wings-D-VII-OAW-Sprue/333607349755?hash=item4dac8c2dfb:g:rN8AAOSw08FeysDL
That is Insane... and I can't even get $10.00 ea. for My Fokker built sprues ::)
RAGIII
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My take has always been that lots of folks buy and collect WNW kits, but few actually build them.
That probably doesn't apply to this particular forum, but this forum is mostly a blip on the scale modeling world at large.
I think supplies of WNW kits on Ebay and other similar venues will remain available for a long time to come.
The question is what prices will do. After an initial panic phase that we are in now, I think prices will stabilize.
As an aside, I wonder if WNW plans to do something with all of their remaining kits in the warehouse, other than throw them on a bonfire and eat the loss.
I could easily see them moving their entire stock over to a giant online retailer like Sprue Brothers, or maybe divide them up between S.B., HLJ, Modelbau Koenig, etc.
Just a handful of huge retailers who will have the resources to buy whatever is left.
I had my eye on the Albatros "Bavarians" boxing with all the great decals, but never bought it before this whole thing blew up!
I already had several boxings of the kit and just never pulled the trigger!
Such is life!
I'm hoping those kits will end up for sale at S.B. for a short time at some point.
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Not just the kits bringing crazy money, or even just WnW.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/203000323864?fbclid=IwAR2Xn0PZz3nkywm1dJVeiiM67dKKfsosbI9sIoOvRST8yDFpRu0DV0oHAfA
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cutting-Edge-1-32-The-Barons-Tripes-Fokker-Dr-I-Part-1-Decals/303578445515?hash=item46aeaf76cb:g:HpYAAOSw5ztezFhC
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those are both really nice sets of decals but wow!
I do regret not purchasing that particular WNW set when first available - was so hoping they would re-run it and include with the DVII kit like they were doing with the Albatros reboxings.....
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Not just the kits bringing crazy money, or even just WnW.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/203000323864?fbclid=IwAR2Xn0PZz3nkywm1dJVeiiM67dKKfsosbI9sIoOvRST8yDFpRu0DV0oHAfA
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cutting-Edge-1-32-The-Barons-Tripes-Fokker-Dr-I-Part-1-Decals/303578445515?hash=item46aeaf76cb:g:HpYAAOSw5ztezFhC
Those two sets of decals always bring crazy prices on eBay
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Hi all,
I have noticed a few prices on EBay. It’s out of control but watched a few auctions over the weekend. The prices if you have US dollars weren’t bad at all for long OOP kits. I opted out of bidding due to cost after exchange rate and taxes (and I remember the original prices!) If these factors weren’t there I would have tried to get them. I’m not sure about UK prices they seem pretty high. Will watch items I’m bidding on. I think you’re right, once the frenzy dies down things will stabilise a bit.
I’m also still banking on them re opening/ re-selling in some form. (?)
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Holy smokes - things are getting crazy out there for WNW stuff
$125 USD for a single sprue???
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-32-Wingnut-Wings-D-VII-OAW-Sprue/333607349755?hash=item4dac8c2dfb:g:rN8AAOSw08FeysDL
‘Tell him he’s dreaming’ (Aus quote) Edit: Just noticed it’s an Auction, I guess he’s laughing not dreaming!
I thought about this Sprue to do an OAW with early boxing. But thought ‘nah’ why spend an extra $20 when how many people will notice or care? Not me anyway.
Who knew?!
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those are both really nice sets of decals but wow!
I do regret not purchasing that particular WNW set when first available - was so hoping they would re-run it and include with the DVII kit like they were doing with the Albatros reboxings.....
I was thinking the same thing. Seems they would have done it. Different versions so not as simple as Albatros/ Pfalz but they would have sold big time. Maybe WNW2 might still sell them if the boxes were already shipped and got stuck in a dock when Covid hit. It looked like this happened with the Clerget Camels.
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Hi all,
I have noticed a few prices on EBay. It’s out of control but watched a few auctions over the weekend. The prices if you have US dollars weren’t bad at all for long OOP kits. I opted out of bidding due to cost after exchange rate and taxes (and I remember the original prices!) If these factors weren’t there I would have tried to get them. I’m not sure about UK prices they seem pretty high. Will watch items I’m bidding on. I think you’re right, once the frenzy dies down things will stabilise a bit.
I’m also still banking on them re opening/ re-selling in some form. (?)
Another quick survey on watched UK EBay listings: I’m out!
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I even think that is crazy for a Sprue :o
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Speaking of crazy prices, there's a Gotha G.IV on eBay, when I last checked it was up to £580.
Cheers Mark
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Dave, if you'd only known, you might have been able to take your severance pay in kits at trade value. You'd be able to retire now!
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Speaking of crazy prices, there's a Gotha G.IV on eBay, when I last checked it was up to £580.
Cheers Mark
That’s really insane... We all should buy tulip-bulbs instead. Crisis-proof investment....
Andreas
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Not just the kits bringing crazy money, or even just WnW.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/203000323864?fbclid=IwAR2Xn0PZz3nkywm1dJVeiiM67dKKfsosbI9sIoOvRST8yDFpRu0DV0oHAfA
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cutting-Edge-1-32-The-Barons-Tripes-Fokker-Dr-I-Part-1-Decals/303578445515?hash=item46aeaf76cb:g:HpYAAOSw5ztezFhC
Those two sets of decals always bring crazy prices on eBay
$291 USD final bid for the WNW sheet - stunning....
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I'd like to be a fly on the wall when they try applying those and a cross arm folds under and rips when they try to separate it from itself. OTOH, anyone moron enough to cough up 300 bucks for a sheet of decals will probably hang on to them until they turn yellow and disintegrate from old age. A total waste in all likelyhood.
sp
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Would have been a better investment buying a cutting machine! :)
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My thought, and hope is that at some point the WNW kits already boxed and ready for sale will be released for sale. I would like just a couple more to round out my stash.
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Would have been a better investment buying a cutting machine! :)
attraction seems to be Seven Swabians. i don't care about it, but if i had to do it i'd make a decal. draw it in Photoshop, start by tracing from photo of real thing (using Bezier curves) then compensate for distortion. figures look cartoony in the photo but rabbit looks painterly.
then print it on decal paper.
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The same scenario happened with Weta Polystone statues from the Lord of the Rings franchise. To give you an idea, the Balrog and the Cave Troll statues both cost $300 new and were limited editions of (i think) 1000. Both were selling for over a £1000 on eBay around the time the 'Return of the King' was released. The same thing is happening with Wingnut kits. If people are prepared to pay the money people will continue to put them out there to be sold. Market forces at play.
I have enough plastic to last me until I'm pushing up daisies, so I'm not about to blow a large chunk of dosh on a kit that will ultimately sit in the stash collecting dust.
Goodbye WNW. You gave us 10 glorious years and I cannot thank you enough. Cheers!
Von B ;)
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I have enough plastic to last me until I'm pushing up daisies, so I'm not about to blow a large chunk of dosh on a kit that will ultimately sit in the stash collecting dust.
Goodbye WNW. You gave us 10 glorious years and I cannot thank you enough. Cheers!
Von B ;)
what he said. over US$100 for the OAW D.VII sprue? nope.
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Quote from "von Sooth Sayer" .....
"I have enough plastic to last me until I'm pushing up daisies, so I'm not about to blow a large chunk of dosh on a kit that will ultimately sit in the stash collecting dust.
Goodbye WNW. You gave us 10 glorious years and I cannot thank you enough. Cheers!"
Well said and truth be known von B you are not alone, and I'd bet representative of a very large portion of our little club! The ten years you reference so well are just part of the joy, there's enough stashed and hoarded (and I believe prices will come down over time !) to last a good long time.
Cheers,
Lance
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Not just the kits bringing crazy money, or even just WnW.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/203000323864?fbclid=IwAR2Xn0PZz3nkywm1dJVeiiM67dKKfsosbI9sIoOvRST8yDFpRu0DV0oHAfA
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cutting-Edge-1-32-The-Barons-Tripes-Fokker-Dr-I-Part-1-Decals/303578445515?hash=item46aeaf76cb:g:HpYAAOSw5ztezFhC
Those two sets of decals always bring crazy prices on eBay
$291 USD final bid for the WNW sheet - stunning....
Sheesh! Well I've got a brand new untouched WNW Seven Swabians decal sheet, which I intended building but if there are people out there willing to pay that sort of money....
The one kit I'm missing is the Roland DVIb with the Benz engine: if anybody is daft enough to offer to swap me one for the decal sheet, I'll bite their hand off!!!
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Quote from "von Sooth Sayer" .....
"I have enough plastic to last me until I'm pushing up daisies, so I'm not about to blow a large chunk of dosh on a kit that will ultimately sit in the stash collecting dust.
Goodbye WNW. You gave us 10 glorious years and I cannot thank you enough. Cheers!"
Well said and truth be known von B you are not alone, and I'd bet representative of a very large portion of our little club! The ten years you reference so well are just part of the joy, there's enough stashed and hoarded (and I believe prices will come down over time !) to last a good long time.
Cheers,
Lance
Ditto and ditto.
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Outrageously the bidding for the GothaG.IV is going up and up!!! Let's see how much higher it goes!!!
WINGNUT WINGS GOTHA G.IV 1:32 SCALE HIGH QUALITY MODEL AIRPLANE KIT
1 product rating
Condition:New
Time left:Time left:1 day 7 hours Wednesday, 19:58
Current bid:US $650.00
[ 20 bids ]
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Outrageously the bidding for the GothaG.IV is going up and up!!! Let's see how much higher it goes!!!
WINGNUT WINGS GOTHA G.IV 1:32 SCALE HIGH QUALITY MODEL AIRPLANE KIT
1 product rating
Condition:New
Time left:Time left:1 day 7 hours Wednesday, 19:58
Current bid:US $650.00
[ 20 bids ]
I just saw this too. I also noticed that folks are listing the Felixstowes at like $600 and more!
I can sort of understand why the Gothas are getting the money; not many bought them, they probably didn't make many, and I think there is general interest in that kit.
But the Felixstowes? I think they are just too big to display and demand for those has always been low. They have been available for cheaper than retail for a long time.
Once this madness settles, I think the Felixstowes will go back to somewhat normal prices.
I have a Gotha in the stash! Sell now for $650? OR later? What if they go up to $1,000! What if they go back to normal when someone buys the molds and makes them available for retail price?
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All I can say is if you have something that you can sell now and make a few extra $$$ off it. Do it! Once and if WNW reopen the website to clear the stocks that are remaining its going to flood the market and everyone will be trying to make money off it.
Yeah, there are some crazy prices at the moment...
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The crazy prices continue I notice...
Apparently orders placed before full shutdown are being shipped. This is good news for those people. Whether this indicates a general opening to ordering by retailers or individuals? We’ll have to keep watching that space...
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I watched an SE5a auction on Ebay. It sold today for £295!
When I first started WW1 modelling late last year I wasn't prepared to pay £120 they were selling for.
There's a Ship's Camel up for £200, sheer madness. Glad I bought mine for nearly a third of the price in February.
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There’s about 6 I still want including a Ships Camel but there is no way I’m dropping $500 (Se’s etc) to $1000 (Gothas) on a kit. But someone can obviously. Hope this doesn’t influence the ‘fair price’ of the remaining stock too much!
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This is the email I received about my back order, I have adjusted the names and tracking number, my order went in about April 12/13:
"Hi ThePenguin
Thank you for placing an order with us and for your patience.
We have a significant backlog of orders, but we’ve been working on shipping over the last few weeks and I’m please to report that your order is on it’s way.
Unfortunately our usual shipping supplier has proved slow and unreliable so we have made the decision to use Fedex.
Tracking details are as follows -
FEDEX - WINGNUT WINGS # provided in email
All going well your order should be with you within a few days.
Thanks again for your patience. We hope you enjoy your kit!
WingNut Wings"
It was for the Junkers D.1. It should be here tomorrow according to Fedex (Southern CA), funnily enough Fedex 'ping'd' me on Friday about the upcoming delivery and I just got the email now from their accountant, so if you have an order that wasn't dispatched it could already be on the way.I don't know why they haven't been so forthcoming with updates like that? My suspicion is the communication, being in the hands of accounting it seems just don't have the same level of customer service we once had.
I suspect perhaps once they've caught up with the backlog they will update the website with what's left in stock before then selling the rest off as Dave says. People will be kicking themselves purchasing way over the price for anything that still shows in-stock or goes for sale at normal prices from their main site. I wonder if any distributors are getting any more?
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In theory suppliers could have put in orders before they closed orders. Maybe clearing backorders, it could affected their reputation if they said one thing then let too many people down?
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In theory suppliers could have put in orders before they closed orders. Maybe clearing backorders, it could affected their reputation if they said one thing then let too many people down?
whatever else they're doing they're definitely shipping out orders that were put in before they stopped accepting them.
now i'm kicking myself for lacking the backbone to order what i wanted direct when i had the chance. turns out it was a good bet. hopefully after they fulfill all the orders they have in now, they'll sell the inventory directly through the website, so i can pay US$10 for an OAW sprue rather than US$100 on ebay...
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Needless to say, it would be hugely beneficial for anyone who receives an order from WNW in the days ahead to say so.
I.E., let us know the warehouse in New Zealand has commenced trying to fulfill orders that were placed prior to the shutdown.
Once those orders are fulfilled, I do believe WNW will empty out the warehouse and start sending to the various retailers they have been doing business with.
No doubt once Peter Jackson has grabbed 10 of each for a rainy day. LOL
Actually, I'm sure he's already done that a while ago.
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Well it was scheduled for today, but package hasn't moved on from EAST TAMAKI NZ yet, hopefully its just slow due to all the things going on. I am hoping it won't get lost, not sure how the current incumbents of WNW will handle anything like that.
Edit: As soon as I post its in transit to Los angeles, package available for clearance.
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Needless to say, it would be hugely beneficial for anyone who receives an order from WNW in the days ahead to say so.
I.E., let us know the warehouse in New Zealand has commenced trying to fulfill orders that were placed prior to the shutdown.
Especially important would be to let us know if any items in an order are not shipped.... as in they are Sold Out.
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I imagine if they re open the sold out signs will go up soon enough. I noticed the least popular such as Eindeckers, Rumplers and Dh9as went in the panic buying. But this assumes they will reopen rather than sell off to retailers.
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I heard a couple of Handley Page test kits got out. These will be super rare if the kit never makes it for sale.
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Well it was scheduled for today, but package hasn't moved on from EAST TAMAKI NZ yet, hopefully its just slow due to all the things going on. I am hoping it won't get lost, not sure how the current incumbents of WNW will handle anything like that.
Edit: As soon as I post its in transit to Los angeles, package available for clearance.
FedEx shouldn't lose your package. During my time, the only issues I had with FedEx was Clearance and Billing. They always get the package to where its going.
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I heard a couple of Handley Page test kits got out. These will be super rare if the kit never makes it for sale.
I am aware of three. I have O/400, Mike Swinburne has built up most of the O/100 which can be seen on WNW Fans on FB, I will not comment on the third person who has a test shot.
I will be building up mine once I have cleared a few things on the bench... that will be awhile thou!
I am taking offers of
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6b/59/d9/6b59d965cf890c7db40693f34feee324.jpg)
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Just wanted to add that, as taken from a variety of sources, WNW kits have definitely been shipped and received from the warehouse in NZ.
So they are back up and running in terms of fulfilling backlogged orders from before the shutdown.
How long that will last and if it implies they will turn the website back on again for new orders remains to be seen.
I'm checking in many times per day.
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Just wanted to add that, as taken from a variety of sources, WNW kits have definitely been shipped and received from the warehouse in NZ.
So they are back up and running in terms of fulfilling backlogged orders from before the shutdown.
How long that will last and if it implies they will turn the website back on again for new orders remains to be seen.
I'm checking in many times per day.
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I am picking they will not be considering reopening the web store for sales anytime soon, as they state in the emails that I have seen posted that they are using FedEx due to postal systems being unreliable at the moment. I know that the web store does not have FedEx pricing setup and doubt they know how to enter it either.
IF they reopen the webstore, I think it would be once some normality has returned to most postal systems.
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I got my D.1 yesterday June 16th. It was shipped the previous Thursday with my order was put in around mid-April, if this helps. It was originally meant to be here Monday, but to go with what Dave just posted the postal system is still sketchy and honestly may remain that way for awhile.
Also, I need to clear my bench and finish these other projects off, always get close to painting them and stall lol.
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Just wanted to add that, as taken from a variety of sources, WNW kits have definitely been shipped and received from the warehouse in NZ.
So they are back up and running in terms of fulfilling backlogged orders from before the shutdown.
How long that will last and if it implies they will turn the website back on again for new orders remains to be seen.
I'm checking in many times per day.
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I am picking they will not be considering reopening the web store for sales anytime soon, as they state in the emails that I have seen posted that they are using FedEx due to postal systems being unreliable at the moment. I know that the web store does not have FedEx pricing setup and doubt they know how to enter it either.
IF they reopen the webstore, I think it would be once some normality has returned to most postal systems.
it would be a mistake to open now, with postal services being a mess, IMO.
i have two packages stuck in Germany still...
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What postal services are a mess exactly? Are they talking about the New Zealand postal system?
I have been ordering kits from all over the world like crazy during the pandemic with no problems other than the usual from within the USA using the US postal service. LOL.
I just got stuff from Japan in 4 days to Florida.
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Just wanted to add that, as taken from a variety of sources, WNW kits have definitely been shipped and received from the warehouse in NZ.
So they are back up and running in terms of fulfilling backlogged orders from before the shutdown.
How long that will last and if it implies they will turn the website back on again for new orders remains to be seen.
I'm checking in many times per day.
😜
I am picking they will not be considering reopening the web store for sales anytime soon, as they state in the emails that I have seen posted that they are using FedEx due to postal systems being unreliable at the moment. I know that the web store does not have FedEx pricing setup and doubt they know how to enter it either.
IF they reopen the webstore, I think it would be once some normality has returned to most postal systems.
Hi Dave, I have noted the Fed Ex reference as well. Assuming that they just want this all to be over with, maybe this is one more reason to assume they will ship out the kits in the warehouse to other retails and get rid of inventory in that manner.
Seems much easier--and critically faster--to do it that way.
Can you give us a guess at the numbers involved? Take a high volume kit as an example. How many would be in the warehouse in rough ballpark figures?
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I heard a couple of Handley Page test kits got out. These will be super rare if the kit never makes it for sale.
I am aware of three. I have O/400, Mike Swinburne has built up most of the O/100 which can be seen on WNW Fans on FB, I will not comment on the third person who has a test shot.
I will be building up mine once I have cleared a few things on the bench... that will be awhile thou!
I am taking offers of
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6b/59/d9/6b59d965cf890c7db40693f34feee324.jpg)
:D haha. It will be worth one billion in the future.
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I wonder when the Gotha IVs will reach$1 million? They are up to $1000 - egads. I started collecting after they sold out and didn’t want to pay $500 for a kit I wouldn’t have space for. Now they’re double that! Oh well.
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What postal services are a mess exactly? Are they talking about the New Zealand postal system?
I have been ordering kits from all over the world like crazy during the pandemic with no problems other than the usual from within the USA using the US postal service. LOL.
I just got stuff from Japan in 4 days to Florida.
i'm in Thailand. anything coming from Germany, Belgium, or the US is a total mess. Australia kind of a mess. Japan, UK and Italy all arrive with the same timing they would have pre-plague.
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What postal services are a mess exactly? Are they talking about the New Zealand postal system?
I have been ordering kits from all over the world like crazy during the pandemic with no problems other than the usual from within the USA using the US postal service. LOL.
I just got stuff from Japan in 4 days to Florida.
i'm in Thailand. anything coming from Germany, Belgium, or the US is a total mess. Australia kind of a mess. Japan, UK and Italy all arrive with the same timing they would have pre-plague.
You may be interested to know then that Hobbylink Japan have got a stash of WNW kits, the Barker Snipe is going for the regular price, the Pup is available too as well as a few others.
Richie
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What postal services are a mess exactly? Are they talking about the New Zealand postal system?
I have been ordering kits from all over the world like crazy during the pandemic with no problems other than the usual from within the USA using the US postal service. LOL.
I just got stuff from Japan in 4 days to Florida.
i'm in Thailand. anything coming from Germany, Belgium, or the US is a total mess. Australia kind of a mess. Japan, UK and Italy all arrive with the same timing they would have pre-plague.
You may be interested to know then that Hobbylink Japan have got a stash of WNW kits, the Barker Snipe is going for the regular price, the Pup is available too as well as a few others.
Richie
Indeed and so does Modelbau-Koenig in Germany. If you want ,you can buy 10+ different kits at the moment from those two ( I did :) )
Luke
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They do have a bit left , here is the link
https://www.hlj.com/search/go?w=*&af=selectmanufacturer:wingnutwings (https://www.hlj.com/search/go?w=*&af=selectmanufacturer:wingnutwings)
But no Pfalz D12 , very sad indeed :'(
Terri
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You may be interested to know then that Hobbylink Japan have got a stash of WNW kits, the Barker Snipe is going for the regular price, the Pup is available too as well as a few others.
Richie
i have been depleting HLJ's inventory since early April (9 kits). their prices are odd, some kits are expensive, some are cheaper than it would have been to order directly from WNW. it's always been that way, doesn't seem to have much to do with WNW shutting down.
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You may be interested to know then that Hobbylink Japan have got a stash of WNW kits, the Barker Snipe is going for the regular price, the Pup is available too as well as a few others.
Richie
.... their prices are odd, some kits are expensive, some are cheaper than it would have been to order directly from WNW. it's always been that way, doesn't seem to have much to do with WNW shutting down.
The value of the Yen perhaps or the import taxes ?
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UMM-USA has some WNW for sale...
http://umm-usa.com/onlinestore/index.php?cPath=25_71_76 (http://umm-usa.com/onlinestore/index.php?cPath=25_71_76)
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UMM-USA has some WNW for sale...
http://umm-usa.com/onlinestore/index.php?cPath=25_71_76 (http://umm-usa.com/onlinestore/index.php?cPath=25_71_76)
Wich one ? I only see sold out kits, all 19 of them.
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UMM-USA has some WNW for sale...
http://umm-usa.com/onlinestore/index.php?cPath=25_71_76 (http://umm-usa.com/onlinestore/index.php?cPath=25_71_76)
Wich one ? I only see sold out kits, all 19 of them.
My apologies... I didn't see that they were sold out. There weren;t any there that I was looking for, so I didn;t click on them.
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UMM-USA has some WNW for sale...
http://umm-usa.com/onlinestore/index.php?cPath=25_71_76 (http://umm-usa.com/onlinestore/index.php?cPath=25_71_76)
Wich one ? I only see sold out kits, all 19 of them.
My apologies... I didn't see that they were sold out. There weren;t any there that I was looking for, so I didn;t click on them.
No problem. A fair mistake to make ;)
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You may be interested to know then that Hobbylink Japan have got a stash of WNW kits, the Barker Snipe is going for the regular price, the Pup is available too as well as a few others.
Richie
.... their prices are odd, some kits are expensive, some are cheaper than it would have been to order directly from WNW. it's always been that way, doesn't seem to have much to do with WNW shutting down.
The value of the Yen perhaps or the import taxes ?
they do pay import taxes but i don't think that explains why one kit that lists for US$79 will be $70 from HLJ, and another one $110. as i understand it they're the sole distributor for Japan, maybe they're buying stuff back from retailers? weird.
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Just received this morning my WNW Pup and Snipe kits from HLJ.
Arrived in Florida from Japan in less than 48 hours! Sent Fed Ex priority.
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I see Sprue Brothers has now sold out of the Gotha G.1 kit.
They still have the Gotha UWD kit in stock however!
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I see Sprue Brothers has now sold out of the Gotha G.1 kit.
They still have the Gotha UWD kit in stock however!
Hannant's have em, too... Must be hard to get rid of.
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Might be a few still in the warehouse. Still no word on what’s happening there? Argh!
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Things seem to be stable at the moment, meaning, nothing much is happening!
No changes or news at the WNW website.
Modelbau Koenig still has their supply of 6 different WNW kits for sale.
HLJ has their batch of kits, and Hannants has the 2 Gotha G1 kits.
At first I thought these kits represented the warehouse in NZ opening up. But now I think these companies are simply finding glitches in the distribution chain and grabbing pockets of stock from wherever they can randomly find it.
It's interesting to note that even under these circumstances, a number of WNW kits are slow to sell and they can't seem to give away the Gothas.
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I think they must have put in big orders for new kits such as Pup etc and others are selling down.
Ho hum it’s a bit of a waiting game now...
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I think they must have put in big orders for new kits such as Pup etc and others are selling down.
Ho hum it’s a bit of a waiting game now...
yeah i think those big batches that showed up a few weeks ago were ordered just before they shut down.
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I have two email requests in from the time of the closure. I received the standard reply, and a automatic follow up. I suspect these are at the bottom of the bucket.
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Previously sold out Gotha G1 at Sprue Brothers is now back in stock.
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Previously sold out Gotha G1 at Sprue Brothers is now back in stock.
I wouldn't get too excited. There are only 2 in stock. They'll be gone soon enough.
Wonder if they were returns or cancelled orders? Either that or they found them buried under the 96 UWDs still in stock. :)
Eric
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Maybe when the one year anniversary of WnW's demise rolls around we could do a memorial UWD group build.
sp
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I feel like I'm alone is liking the UWD over the G.1?
A German, swept-wing, twin-engined, twin-tailed, three seater, biplane bomber on giant stilts and floats.
What's not to like?!
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I feel like I'm alone is liking the UWD over the G.1?
A German, swept-wing, twin-engined, twin-tailed, three seater, biplane bomber on giant stilts and floats.
What's not to like?!
You are not alone! I opted for the UWD over the G.1. What you said! What's not to love? :)
Eric
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Ha I like both Gothas in all their goofiness but still didn't purchase till I found one on discount. I kinda wonder if this is the kit that killed WNW - like did hardly anyone except a few crazy folk on this forum purchase it? Given the mad scramble to purchase anything WNW right now and crazy selling prices yet these two kits remain pretty available and with no markup.
Its just such a large odd thing and expensive! The tooling and development had to be spendy....
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Got the UWD also when they had over 100, now have to save LOL.
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Ha I like both Gothas in all their goofiness but still didn't purchase till I found one on discount. I kinda wonder if this is the kit that killed WNW - like did hardly anyone except a few crazy folk on this forum purchase it? Given the mad scramble to purchase anything WNW right now and crazy selling prices yet these two kits remain pretty available and with no markup.
Its just such a large odd thing and expensive! The tooling and development had to be spendy....
They maybe looked at the G.IV, saw it was sold out & going for mega money on EBay & thought the new Gotha's would do similar?
Having said that, two versions was one too many.
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Hannants in the UK still has 20+G.1 and 20+UWD in stock as of last night.
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Ha I like both Gothas in all their goofiness but still didn't purchase till I found one on discount. I kinda wonder if this is the kit that killed WNW - like did hardly anyone except a few crazy folk on this forum purchase it? Given the mad scramble to purchase anything WNW right now and crazy selling prices yet these two kits remain pretty available and with no markup.
Its just such a large odd thing and expensive! The tooling and development had to be spendy....
They maybe looked at the G.IV, saw it was sold out & going for mega money on EBay & thought the new Gotha's would do similar?
Having said that, two versions was one too many.
Well maybe if and when they sell out. I’m thinking it’s too big to build, too expensive as a dust gatherer. But it is an oddity and maybe one day it will get crazy money like the Gotha iv so I won’t mind parting with ‘the kit that killed WNW.’ Until then I’m holding onto my collection like a squirrel with winter nuts, but will sell off if I need the $ (either that or a kidney!)
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We have seen a few pop up at Modelblau, but if, where and when kits will come up for sale we don’t know. Are there hundreds or thousands left? Who knows!
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another truckload is about to pup up at https://andyshhq.com/
this is good news for ppl in the US. looks like they're dumping stuff from their overseas warehouses, these are big shipments.
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another truckload is about to pup up at https://andyshhq.com/
this is good news for ppl in the US. looks like they're dumping stuff from their overseas warehouses, these are big shipments.
Yes, and the advertisement said they wouldn't Inflate the prices! $50,000.00 worth of inventory ;D
RAGIII
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huh very cool that AndysHQ are not going to double the prices on them. Wonder when they will be available to purchase though not really sure I need to pad the stash any more. I guess at worst they are unlikely to go down in value so if not built long term they would be fine to resell down the line.
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another truckload is about to pup up at https://andyshhq.com/
this is good news for ppl in the US. looks like they're dumping stuff from their overseas warehouses, these are big shipments.
Yes, and the advertisement said they wouldn't Inflate the prices! $50,000.00 worth of inventory ;D
RAGIII
Do they ship to Europe ? I had a quick look at the website but I couldn't find anything.
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another truckload is about to pup up at https://andyshhq.com/
this is good news for ppl in the US. looks like they're dumping stuff from their overseas warehouses, these are big shipments.
Yes, and the advertisement said they wouldn't Inflate the prices! $50,000.00 worth of inventory ;D
RAGIII
Do they ship to Europe ? I had a quick look at the website but I couldn't find anything.
The FB add said the inventory was on the way, no pre orders or holding kits. I have not used them before so I have no idea about their shipping.
RAGIII
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It looks like what a lot of us have been waiting for is about to happen. I.E., the warehouse in NZ opening up with a liquidation of the inventory via a handful of chosen retailers around the world. It looks like the WNW web store will never re-open, but who knows.
Have a look at Modellbau Koenig in Germany. They have a bunch of new WNW kits along with a little message saying "When they're gone, they're gone forever" or something like this. Good prices too.
Interesting that nothing is happening at Sprue Brothers, but that might change any moment now.
Still nothing at Andy's Hobby Headquarters, but that looks like it's going to change soon.
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I'd like to see a pop-up of the armament and engine sprues from NZ...
let's hope the situation is going for better.
This night I had a dream... the WNW H.P. 0/400 available in small quantities on the web...
I put it in the basket, checked out but it was no longer available.. a nightmare :(
A similar experience yesterday fighting for the last Felixstowe at MBK....
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It looks like what a lot of us have been waiting for is about to happen. I.E., the warehouse in NZ opening up with a liquidation of the inventory via a handful of chosen retailers around the world. It looks like the WNW web store will never re-open, but who knows.
Have a look at Modellbau Koenig in Germany. They have a bunch of new WNW kits along with a little message saying "When they're gone, they're gone forever" or something like this. Good prices too.
Interesting that nothing is happening at Sprue Brothers, but that might change any moment now.
Still nothing at Andy's Hobby Headquarters, but that looks like it's going to change soon.
MBK worked out REALLY well for me, they had exactly what i was missing. the free shipping on big orders is a nice touch.
i've not ordered from Andy's HQ but they have a high rep among people i know who have.
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another truckload is about to pup up at https://andyshhq.com/
this is good news for ppl in the US. looks like they're dumping stuff from their overseas warehouses, these are big shipments.
Yes, and the advertisement said they wouldn't Inflate the prices! $50,000.00 worth of inventory ;D
RAGIII
So about 50 Gotha GIV’s worth?!
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I saw a Facebook post reporting Andy's in the USA was only shipping to CONUS addresses. If correct that means no shipping to Europe or Australia etc.
Good news for our American members but probably not for the rest of us.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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I saw a Facebook post reporting Andy's in the USA was only shipping to CONUS addresses. If correct that means no shipping to Europe or Australia etc.
Good news for our American members but probably not for the rest of us.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
Indeed, I send him an email and he confirmed that he was not going to ship to the EU
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I suppose if you live outside those areas and you have trusted friends who do live there, it would be possible to obtain the kits by proxy.
I can also imagine some stash-swapping going on, especially with more local modellers where postage costs would then be minimal. For example I have 2 of the WNW RNAS Pup - bought just before they sold out - so in theory I would consider swapping one box for a similar value kit which I don’t have.
There’s plenty of unbuilt WNW kits around which don’t necessarily need to be traded for silly money. Yes there will be some people for whom needs must - and this could indeed happen to me - but my point is there will be plenty of kits around..
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I saw a Facebook post reporting Andy's in the USA was only shipping to CONUS addresses. If correct that means no shipping to Europe or Australia etc.
Good news for our American members but probably not for the rest of us.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
Me: ‘Damn!’ My wallet: ‘Phew!’
I wish the NZ warehouse would open even if we had to pay for DHL or equivalent post,
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But.... if you still want a Gotha G.I or UWD, Hannants is still showing more than 20 of each.
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I wonder how many of the Gotha 1 and UWD they made. It’s a bit of a white elephant but I’d say no one else will ever put this out.
I was thinking about the Gotha iv - they surely must have been intending re releasing this one? Someone might know but I can’t imagine WNW made their money back on r&d. Now people selling second hand are making the $ - madness!
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I saw a Facebook post reporting Andy's in the USA was only shipping to CONUS addresses. If correct that means no shipping to Europe or Australia etc.
Good news for our American members but probably not for the rest of us.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
I sent Andy an e-mail last week, and asked if they shipped internationally. This was his response:
Hello,
no I'm sorry we don't yet.
Thanks for your interest
Andy
So, bad luck for us outside the US I'm afarid.
/Mikael
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I saw a Facebook post reporting Andy's in the USA was only shipping to CONUS addresses. If correct that means no shipping to Europe or Australia etc.
Good news for our American members but probably not for the rest of us.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
That sucks for those outside the US, well here's to the faint hope WNW, or whoever is running it open the web store to orders again.
I sent Andy an e-mail last week, and asked if they shipped internationally. This was his response:
Hello,
no I'm sorry we don't yet.
Thanks for your interest
Andy
So, bad luck for us outside the US I'm afarid.
/Mikael
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Bummer! Just noticed a Dolphin go for $345 here, wth? As far as I know this isn’t sold out in NZ.
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I guess an interesting question becomes how many of each kit was produced that have or haven’t sold out. Would anyone know this?
Until then keep supporting existing producers. CSM, Roden, Eduard, Mengnut Mengs, and all the rest including aftermarket guys.
Just another thought. I was looking at the 2 seaters that never seemed to sell. In their own way they are amazing kits. I think it’s just they had so much competition from the Fokker D7s etc. So maybe when sold out they will be appreciated more. The rigging on some still looks a bit daunting though.
Dc
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For those that are outside of the US and that want to get on the kits that Andy HQ will be offering. You should be looking at Parcel Forwarding Services. There are quite a few within the US that ship to the UK & Europe. Maybe your local postal service has something setup? Luckily I have friends and family in the US that I can ship too, but I have used the Parcel Forwarding service that New Zealand Posts offers to Customers. Last couple of times I used them, they were around the same price that was quoted via USPS, but they did charge a handling and boxing fee, which is to be expected.
Here is one that I found - https://www.shipito.com/en/
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I guess an interesting question becomes how many of each kit was produced that have or haven’t sold out. Would anyone know this?
Until then keep supporting existing producers. CSM, Roden, Eduard, Mengnut Mengs, and all the rest including aftermarket guys.
Just another thought. I was looking at the 2 seaters that never seemed to sell. In their own way they are amazing kits. I think it’s just they had so much competition from the Fokker D7s etc. So maybe when sold out they will be appreciated more. The rigging on some still looks a bit daunting though.
Dc
Yes there are a couple people that know that information, but its all ex-WNW staff.
Two Seaters did sell, and a few of them quite very well...
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Hi, Dave,
Yes I should have been more specific- DFWs, Salmsons, Dh9s and Rumplers come to mind. These seemed to hang around as last to sell items, although as mentioned they are very nice kits. Others such as LVG, Halberstadt, Hannover seemed to go better. But this is just an assumption based on what could be seen of sales, but they are known only to those in the know!, D
It’s still hard to believe WNW have closed. I get it wasn’t making money but couldn’t PJ have just made a few changes to the business model?
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Without inviting speculation from people who may have opinions, but don't actually know for certain, I wonder if any ex member of WNW staff or a member of any trusted "inner circle" of builders and advisors can tell us:
1 how many of each kit were made?
2 did they make same number of say, SE5a and Roland DVIa, for example?
3 who in China or South Korea tooled up each of the moulds? and, if they still have them - and if they have the ability (like Meng) to add PE, decals etc and bring to market under their own name? (assuming no legal restrictions)
Please don't pile in with well-intentioned theories, guys. I'd just like to ask if, now the dust has settled a bit, anybody might be free from legal NDA etc to tell us from the horse's mouth.
Thanks
Sandy
P.S. I'm sure we'd also like to know what the future possible releases might have been!
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For those that are outside of the US and that want to get on the kits that Andy HQ will be offering. You should be looking at Parcel Forwarding Services. There are quite a few within the US that ship to the UK & Europe. Maybe your local postal service has something setup? Luckily I have friends and family in the US that I can ship too, but I have used the Parcel Forwarding service that New Zealand Posts offers to Customers. Last couple of times I used them, they were around the same price that was quoted via USPS, but they did charge a handling and boxing fee, which is to be expected.
Here is one that I found - https://www.shipito.com/en/
Thanks Dave J, that is actually very helpful !
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For those that are outside of the US and that want to get on the kits that Andy HQ will be offering. You should be looking at Parcel Forwarding Services. There are quite a few within the US that ship to the UK & Europe. Maybe your local postal service has something setup? Luckily I have friends and family in the US that I can ship too, but I have used the Parcel Forwarding service that New Zealand Posts offers to Customers. Last couple of times I used them, they were around the same price that was quoted via USPS, but they did charge a handling and boxing fee, which is to be expected.
Here is one that I found - https://www.shipito.com/en/
Briliant – Thank You very much Dave,
I had no idea this service existed. If a certain German two seater is up for sale at Andys, I'll put this to the test.
Cheers – Mikael
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Hi, Dave,
Yes I should have been more specific- DFWs, Salmsons, Dh9s and Rumplers come to mind. These seemed to hang around as last to sell items, although as mentioned they are very nice kits. Others such as LVG, Halberstadt, Hannover seemed to go better. But this is just an assumption based on what could be seen of sales, but they are known only to those in the know!, D
It’s still hard to believe WNW have closed. I get it wasn’t making money but couldn’t PJ have just made a few changes to the business model?
Perhaps some changes could of been made, but I doubt that would of saved WNW. There were dark forces at play...
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Without inviting speculation from people who may have opinions, but don't actually know for certain, I wonder if any ex member of WNW staff or a member of any trusted "inner circle" of builders and advisors can tell us:
1 how many of each kit were made?
2 did they make same number of say, SE5a and Roland DVIa, for example?
3 who in China or South Korea tooled up each of the moulds? and, if they still have them - and if they have the ability (like Meng) to add PE, decals etc and bring to market under their own name? (assuming no legal restrictions)
Please don't pile in with well-intentioned theories, guys. I'd just like to ask if, now the dust has settled a bit, anybody might be free from legal NDA etc to tell us from the horse's mouth.
Thanks
Sandy
P.S. I'm sure we'd also like to know what the future possible releases might have been!
1 - We are unable to, NDA's are still in force I believe?
2 - Production numbers varied depending on the subject. Kits that we thought would be popular had larger production runs compared to others.
3 - Tooling should be still with the factories. It will be a large task and large number of shipping containers to move the tooling around the world. That would be a expensive expense that I doubt Wingnut will pay. 1-2 kits worth of tooling would fit into a container considering weight etc. Kits that have been released, no I do not believe that will happen. Only if some agreement is made with WNW. Perhaps the other kits that were in development could, they could be treated as abandon and the tooling companies could try to sell them on to recoup costs. I have a feeling that is what happened with the Dr.1
Please note I have not been at WNW for over 9 months and this is my personal speculation...
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Dave, your personal speculation is many times more valuable than any of our wild guesses and wishful hunches.
Thank you for telling us what you can.
S
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Folks
We have a news update on the Wingnuts kits at Andy's Hobby HQ in Arizona and the news is very disappointing for overseas customers as the store prepares for a piranha-like feeding frenzy of crazed Wingnut buyers this week.
Andy's allocation of kits has arrived at the Phoenix store and is expected to go on sale in a day or so. But he won't sell to vendors or Ebay bulk buyers and he won't sell to overseas customers - it's CONUS only.
Our Forum rep in the USA, member Vickers, phoned Andy's to ask about international sales and was told "it's too expensive and too much hassle."
Feedback on their Facebook posts indicate that the WNW shipment will likely sell out to walk-ins within just a few hours.
and Vickers won't be surprised if customers will be driving in from as far away as L.A. and Las Vegas.
"He also confirmed that he won't be getting any of the Fokker D.VII's and of course none that were already in sold out status elsewhere.
"It's gonna be a feeding frenzy at his store tomorrow and might as well be considered a mirage for anyone who isn't lined up in front the store by sunrise" Vickers says.
Bottom line- Andy's says that there are more people raving and inquiring than his incoming stock can accommodate.
It's so fanatical now the store reports he's got guys pressing him for 'exact time on the shelf' because they're planning to drive in from hours away in the hopes of grabbing some Wingnuts.
Vickers says he wouldn't be surprised if some of the locals camp there tonight- just like Black Friday sales at Walmart!
Sad news that he won't ship overseas but it sounds like he's going to overwhelmed by walk-ins anyway.
It's significant that Andy's has told vendors and eBay sellers that "If they want some of the kits, they'll just have to come in tomorrow." A stance geared toward keeping faith with their daily customer base.
Our thanks to Vickers for the report.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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Our Forum rep in the USA, member Vickers, phoned Andy's to ask about international sales and was told "it's too expensive and too much hassle."
I get annoyed with sellers in the US as this excuse is used way to much... How do they know that its to expensive? If I want something and that is the only means to get it... I will play the shipping price.
As I mentioned in this thread look at Freight Forwarding services that will ship outside the US the goods that you want.
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Well good luck if you’re part of the feeding frenzy! Damn, have to wait for them to resurface.
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Perhaps some changes could of been made, but I doubt that would of saved WNW. There were dark forces at play...
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;D. Step away from the Palantir Saruman!
I thought maybe WNW could have had a Brown box line that didn’t get sold out and an upmarket line with artwork, resin figs, glossy instructions etc that were limited editions. Maybe that could happen? I will sure miss the high-end research and box presentation but for every kit this was an expensive hobby.
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Apparently, Andy's Hobby HQ has a very small staff and simply doesn't have the time to take dozens of kits to the post office and fill out customs forms. They're not like Hannants and other major warehousers who ship stacks of kits on a weekly basis. They're a rarity in today's hobby landscape- an actual brick and mortar store with staffed by a few people who cater to their regional customers and actually seem to love the hobby. They've gone so far as to refuse reservations for secondary marketers who would hog the lot and list them on eBay for three times their MSRP. Not sure what to make of the situation, but twilight fell abruptly on WNW and this bit in Germany and at Andy's is probably the last gasp. I'm content that a few more hobbyists will get their hands on some of them because I thought they were gone for good when Hannants and Spruebrothers ran out.
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Remember that scene at the end of On The Beach as the US submariners set off back home to die and all the Australians prepare to take their suicide pills - the banner flapping in the wind proclaiming 'There is still Time'?
Well,
'There is still the Gotha UWD'
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Apparently, Andy's Hobby HQ has a very small staff and simply doesn't have the time to take dozens of kits to the post office and fill out customs forms. They're not like Hannants and other major warehousers who ship stacks of kits on a weekly basis. They're a rarity in today's hobby landscape- an actual brick and mortar store with staffed by a few people who cater to their regional customers and actually seem to love the hobby. They've gone so far as to refuse reservations for secondary marketers who would hog the lot and list them on eBay for three times their MSRP. Not sure what to make of the situation, but twilight fell abruptly on WNW and this bit in Germany and at Andy's is probably the last gasp. I'm content that a few more hobbyists will get their hands on some of them because I thought they were gone for good when Hannants and Spruebrothers ran out.
Don't confuse Andy's brick and mortar hobby store in a strip plaza in Glendale, Arizona, with his relatively new online mail order operation, which seems to be based in Portland, Oregon.
The 2 are separate operations, though obviously sharing common ownership.
The website/mail order business is small, but it is set up to process orders all day long.
As to why they won't ship internationally, I don't know, but that will probably change if the business grows.
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Andy's dropped a video. they got some inventory in the brick and mortar store now.
also, there is some going to the online store, which will be made available at 10 am PST on Friday.
in the video, there's some stuff behind him. the rarest thing i saw was Clerget Camels. that said if you're not looking to build one of the schemes in the original boxing, add a Lukgraph Clerget engine to any Camel except the Ship's and you've got your Clerget Camel.
what i didn't see is German single-seaters, though he said there was more stuff behind the visible stack.
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Andy's dropped a video. they got some inventory in the brick and mortar store now.
also, there is some going to the online store, which will be made available at 10 am PST on Friday.
in the video, there's some stuff behind him. the rarest thing i saw was Clerget Camels. that said if you're not looking to build one of the schemes in the original boxing, add a Lukgraph Clerget engine to any Camel except the Ship's and you've got your Clerget Camel.
what i didn't see is German single-seaters, though he said there was more stuff behind the visible stack.
I remember pre Covid they mentioned more stock of the Clerget’s was coming from HK then when Covid hit they were listed as sold out. So this might be the last of them?
By the way does anyone know if all the HK warehouse stock has now been emptied?
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probably the last of the Clerget for all practical purposes, yeah. but it's super easy to turn any Camel except the ship's Camel into a Clerget if you don't need the kit decals (i think HGW offer some of the kit markings, but not Barker's if i recall). all you need to do is get a Clerget 9B. if the exquisite Taurus engine is too pricey or too much work for something barely visible, then Lukgraph makes a 3d printed one. cheap as chips.
i'm no warehouse-ologist, but i think Dave J has said (feel free to correct me Dave) that a) MBK and Andy's are business partners, therefore this is one big buy, and b) it's likely HK is pretty much cleaned out by these.
**** pure speculation********
i expect other warehouses to fall soon, and i would also expect the NZ stock to be liquidated directly via the website. this is because i suspect that the NZ stock is housed in space the Weta group will likely keep using for SOMETHING, and because elsewhere??? rent bills come due.
**** end pure speculation ****
for me personally aside from some OAW sprues and LVG C.VI decals i have pretty much everything i wanted. i would yet again like to thank WNW for making my childhood dreams come true. this is the stuff i wished would happen when i was 10 and struggling with Revell's 1/28 stuff.
and i'd also like to thank Copper State especially, but also Roden, Special Hobby, and all the aftermarket folks for keeping the flame burning. i'm not done shopping yet you're next up. (after the engagement ring and wedding savings).
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Ha ha, yes.
I heard that WNW and Weta got a new warehouse a while back so yes they might need the space for something else?
If they sold through the NZ warehouse I imagine the ordering system would have a bit of a meltdown with the initial buying frenzy.
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probably the last of the Clerget for all practical purposes, yeah. but it's super easy to turn any Camel except the ship's Camel into a Clerget if you don't need the kit decals (i think HGW offer some of the kit markings, but not Barker's if i recall). all you need to do is get a Clerget 9B. if the exquisite Taurus engine is too pricey or too much work for something barely visible, then Lukgraph makes a 3d printed one. cheap as chips.
i'm no warehouse-ologist, but i think Dave J has said (feel free to correct me Dave) that a) MBK and Andy's are business partners, therefore this is one big buy, and b) it's likely HK is pretty much cleaned out by these.
**** pure speculation********
i expect other warehouses to fall soon, and i would also expect the NZ stock to be liquidated directly via the website. this is because i suspect that the NZ stock is housed in space the Weta group will likely keep using for SOMETHING, and because elsewhere??? rent bills come due.
**** end pure speculation ****
for me personally aside from some OAW sprues and LVG C.VI decals i have pretty much everything i wanted. i would yet again like to thank WNW for making my childhood dreams come true. this is the stuff i wished would happen when i was 10 and struggling with Revell's 1/28 stuff.
and i'd also like to thank Copper State especially, but also Roden, Special Hobby, and all the aftermarket folks for keeping the flame burning. i'm not done shopping yet you're next up. (after the engagement ring and wedding savings).
I agree that the main warehouse in NZ will be emptied of its kits at some point, probably soon, but I am not sure it will come via direct sales through the website as in the old days.
It would be much easier to move the entire inventory through a few vendors like MBK/AHHQ, Sprue Bros, and HLJ, for example.
Andy has just told he acquired $50,000 of kits with roughly half going to his hobby shop in AZ, and the other half going to the mail order operation. The $25,000 at the mail order operation will be gone in less than an hour.
It's an easy sell for WNW to ship out everything in 1 or 2 or 3 transactions.
Why they would deal with individuals ordering 1 and 2 kits at a time through the website, I don't know.
I would imagine the powers still running the operation want to wrap up this chapter as quickly and easily as possible.
Notwithstanding the aforementioned, I keep checking the WNW website multiple times per day to see if the site is back "on".
LOL.
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agree
why id' hire a temp to fulfill orders: higher profit margins. that said if it was me personally i'd sell to HLJ or MBK or Hannants to minimize the hassle. if it was me id' a been done already but i don't care about money so much. or ego.
so we'll see what happens, but i'm going to get what i want done, done asap. because i don't know what happens next...
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I was hoping to get another Camel from Andy's but alas 4 New Tires had to be purchased for My Car Yesterday :(
RAGIII
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You got off lucky Rick. I pulled the trigger on an early D.VII from that German outfit and then found out I had to cough up $230 for darlin daughter's Honda alternator. Still feelin the pain and still lookin out for the DHL guy. Any future WnW acquisitions are going to have to fall in my lap I'm afraid.
sp
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DHL was an expensive option for fast international mail - unless of course it gets stuck in Frankfurt! Lol!
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So I guess 2 possible scenarios:
WNW sell off to suppliers in bulk
Or they reopen as WNW 2.0 in the future, the first being more likely.
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i think it's somewhat likely they'll sell off their inventory directly from the website. the site's already set up, and if the accountants in charge now can't or won't pack orders themselves, they can hire temps, or outsource to someone like Pitney Bowes.
it'll sell pretty quick, if they don't put any limits on how many you buy, so selling at full retail price would be the advantage there.
i don't think that counts as WNW 2.0... but i still would be surprised if they don't sell in bulk to a retailer like they did MBK.
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Maybe a bit of both? Bulk sales to HLJ, Hannants (BNA I hope!) etc and from website restarted. Then maybe that will be it.
Maybe PJ will pick up the thread in a few years and finish what he started. If not it was great to be a part of it even if the end was brutal and mystifying.
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probably the last of the Clerget for all practical purposes, yeah. but it's super easy to turn any Camel except the ship's Camel into a Clerget if you don't need the kit decals (i think HGW offer some of the kit markings, but not Barker's if i recall). all you need to do is get a Clerget 9B. if the exquisite Taurus engine is too pricey or too much work for something barely visible, then Lukgraph makes a 3d printed one. cheap as chips.
i'm no warehouse-ologist, but i think Dave J has said (feel free to correct me Dave) that a) MBK and Andy's are business partners, therefore this is one big buy, and b) it's likely HK is pretty much cleaned out by these.
**** pure speculation********
i expect other warehouses to fall soon, and i would also expect the NZ stock to be liquidated directly via the website. this is because i suspect that the NZ stock is housed in space the Weta group will likely keep using for SOMETHING, and because elsewhere??? rent bills come due.
**** end pure speculation ****
for me personally aside from some OAW sprues and LVG C.VI decals i have pretty much everything i wanted. i would yet again like to thank WNW for making my childhood dreams come true. this is the stuff i wished would happen when i was 10 and struggling with Revell's 1/28 stuff.
and i'd also like to thank Copper State especially, but also Roden, Special Hobby, and all the aftermarket folks for keeping the flame burning. i'm not done shopping yet you're next up. (after the engagement ring and wedding savings).
Yes you are correct Jeff, Andy and MBK have an agreement. Looking at the stock that arrived I am picking its all the stock that was overseas warehouses.
Wingnut and Weta are separate companies, they have their own warehouse spaces.
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Hi Guys, Looks like Andy's Hobby sold out of the Wingnut kits within 4 minutes!!
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Hi Guys, Looks like Andy's Hobby sold out of the Wingnut kits within 4 minutes!!
if you think about it, 50k inventory isn't that much at all, so no surprise really.
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Hi Guys, Looks like Andy's Hobby sold out of the Wingnut kits within 4 minutes!!
if you think about it, 50k inventory isn't that much at all, so no surprise really.
Andy suggested it was about 300 airplanes at this store in Phoenix, and another 300 via the online retail site.
I was still shocked at the speed they sold out.
Kits were gone within 30 seconds of the sale going live.
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It takes more than 30 seconds even to process Paypal. I wonder if there were pros with tricked out computers sniping these...
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I went to Andy's this afternoon. The Store was pretty well picked over with about a dozen each NINAK's, DH.9's, DFW, early and late and U.S. Salmson's, he had a couple of Halberstadts, two Gotha G.1's, about a half dozen each AEG's both early and late and one Felixstowe, F.2a, Late. As I drove an hour and a half from Florence AZ up the 10 to 17 to his store in north Glendale; I ended leaving with Felixstowe and a Postwar NINAK. I was hoping to snag an Albatros B.II but he told me he only got a few of those and they were gone early on Wednesday. He said that there were a few folks lined up at the door on Wednesday but once the store opened, it was bedlam and pandemonium (my words) as sales were hot and brisk. He told me this morning the Websales sold out of the "Goodies" within the first four minutes. I went on at 1010 and was shocked, shocked I say at what was marked as "Sold out"! I was a bit surprised because at the model shows here in southern Arizona one only sees a few WNW kits and I know who the modelers are, there is a husband and wife team from Tucson, me and one or two others, so to see this much "excitement" over the WNW delivery at Andy's was a bit surprising. Anyway. It was an interesting day and my bank account is now a little lighter but Andy was adamant to keep the prices at MSRP. He is a good guy and what you see on the videos is pretty much how he is. I don't go there a lot as it's a long arduous drive but about three times my buddy and I make the Trek up there. He is always welcoming, the prices are reasonable, he is well stocked and of course there is Andy holding court behind the counter pontificating on the status of plastic modeling in the 21st century and his latest ventures.
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I went to Andy's this afternoon. The Store was pretty well picked over with about a dozen each NINAK's, DH.9's, DFW, early and late and U.S. Salmson's, he had a couple of Halberstadts, two Gotha G.1's, about a half dozen each AEG's both early and late and one Felixstowe, F.2a, Late. As I drove an hour and a half from Florence AZ up the 10 to 17 to his store in north Glendale; I ended leaving with Felixstowe and a Postwar NINAK. I was hoping to snag an Albatros B.II but he told me he only got a few of those and they were gone early on Wednesday. He said that there were a few folks lined up at the door on Wednesday but once the store opened, it was bedlam and pandemonium (my words) as sales were hot and brisk. He told me this morning the Websales sold out of the "Goodies" within the first four minutes. I went on at 1010 and was shocked, shocked I say at what was marked as "Sold out"! I was a bit surprised because at the model shows here in southern Arizona one only sees a few WNW kits and I know who the modelers are, there is a husband and wife team from Tucson, me and one or two others, so to see this much "excitement" over the WNW delivery at Andy's was a bit surprising. Anyway. It was an interesting day and my bank account is now a little lighter but Andy was adamant to keep the prices at MSRP. He is a good guy and what you see on the videos is pretty much how he is. I don't go there a lot as it's a long arduous drive but about three times my buddy and I make the Trek up there. He is always welcoming, the prices are reasonable, he is well stocked and of course there is Andy holding court behind the counter pontificating on the status of plastic modeling in the 21st century and his latest ventures.
Thanks for the nice update and info on his store, especially taking that drive during summer. WNW is an art, once their production stopped what was already high value suddenly shot up even higher and so has demand, plus I think this coupled with an upturn in demand generally from what I hear in model kits due to Covid.
It takes more than 30 seconds even to process Paypal. I wonder if there were pros with tricked out computers sniping these...
The sale was advertised in advance on numerous sites and for the US at a reasonable hour, but if you setup PayPal One Touch (or stay logged into PayPal) it does take less than 30 seconds to pay for the cart. I haven't timed it myself, but I would be surprised if it was anything over 10 seconds as it is really quick. Perhaps too quick :). I honestly don't think there was any scalping or at least any bot driven scalping going on, just a whole bunch of people wanting a kit or two. I am hoping we'll see more WNW kits appear as the inventory clears out from various warehouses.
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I was waiting over a couple of days for NZ to reopen from lockdown and watched in dismay as the WNW inventory on a NZ internet company disappeared (probably bought by New Zealanders) This sounds like that experience but sped up to a few minutes. Wow.
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If each person could only buy 2 kits, and it was sold out in under 8 mins that’s nuts. Just shows the demand in the US.
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If each person could only buy 2 kits, and it was sold out in under 8 mins that’s mints. Just shows the demand in the US.
as i understand it 2 per kit. that said everyone i know of who actually got anything got one kit.
i tried for a Clerget Camel and a Brisfit, which was stupid. the Clerget was sold out by the time it hit my cart, and the Brisfit (which would have ended up as Keith Park's Biff if i'd gotten it) was sold out by the time i dumped the Clerget from the cart. don't really need either kit so no biggie.
to my eye it wasn't about experts with tricks but rather about everyone jumping on it at once. most people i know of in the USA said they wouldn't jump at the MBK stock because of the shipping.
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Would MBK (without VAT but plus shipping) be competitive with what is being offered via ebay at the moment?
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I ordered an Early Fok. D.VII from MBK and it came to US $159 including a 45 Euro shipping price. Don't think you can get one on ebay for that.
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I ordered an Early Fok. D.VII from MBK and it came to US $159 including a 45 Euro shipping price. Don't think you can get one on ebay for that.
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I dont think you can buy an Fok.D.VII for under 200 at his moment
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I ordered an Early Fok. D.VII from MBK and it came to US $159 including a 45 Euro shipping price. Don't think you can get one on ebay for that.
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My Foo D7 and Ships Camel arrived. Bit expensive but half what they’re going for on EBay
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Actually the early D7s aren’t going for as much supply/ demand evened out briefly!
Weta has revived with a heartbeat but the stock at the WNW warehouse still lies in a Coma...
I wonder if PJ is keeping up with the latest developments and having second thoughts? Or is now all past that point of no return...
Anyway we’ll watch that website space...
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It will be interesting to see what happens now that Weta Workshop has some WnW kits up again.
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It will be interesting to see what happens now that Weta Workshop has some WnW kits up again.
From what I am seeing on FB they May already be selling out of the more popular kits. That being said who knows if they will post another batch or two.
RAGIII
PS: Funny, I just checked and all are still showing as "Low Stock" And to think I thought everything on Face Book was True ::)
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It will be interesting to see what happens now that Weta Workshop has some WnW kits up again.
From what I am seeing on FB they May already be selling out of the more popular kits. That being said who knows if they will post another batch or two.
RAGIII
PS: Funny, I just checked and all are still showing as "Low Stock" And to think I thought everything on Face Book was True ::)
I’m wondering about another batch or two also. WnW still had Albatross’ and several other kits for sale when they shut down and, AFAIK, these haven’t appeared anywhere yet
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It will be interesting to see what happens now that Weta Workshop has some WnW kits up again.
From what I am seeing on FB they May already be selling out of the more popular kits. That being said who knows if they will post another batch or two.
RAGIII
PS: Funny, I just checked and all are still showing as "Low Stock" And to think I thought everything on Face Book was True ::)
I’m wondering about another batch or two also. WnW still had Albatross’ and several other kits for sale when they shut down and, AFAIK, these haven’t appeared anywhere yet
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There are quite a few "current production" WNW kits that are, in theory, sitting in the warehouse in NZ that have not shown up for sale ANYWHERE over these last few weeks around the world.
Felixstowe Early and Stahltaube are a couple off the top of my head.
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Yes I heard a few early Felixs went quick at MBK/Andy’s. I want a Taube, but will wait a bit EBay price is silly. Should have picked the last one at Metro Hobbies a few months ago.
With Weta I’ve had mixed experience with pre-order sometimes they turn up, sometimes not. Once again coulda shoulda picked some up at 30% off but couldn’t justify the spend at that time.
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Yes I heard a few early Felixs went quick at MBK/Andy’s. I want a Taube, but will wait a bit EBay price is silly. Should have picked the last one at Metro Hobbies a few months ago.
With Weta I’ve had mixed experience with pre-order sometimes they turn up, sometimes not. Once again coulda shoulda picked some up at 30% off but couldn’t justify the spend at that time.
I didn't partake in Andy's this time around, really wasn't anything I wanted. However I did buy a Ships Camel from the Weta shop before Anys opened up for their pre-orders. They also have Ezline in as well as those Little Contemptibles. I might get the non-Post War NINAK once and perhaps if the NZ WNW warehouse opens up, but I have enough kits to last awhile.
Now, if I could build as fast as I can buy them....
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Yes I heard a few early Felixs went quick at MBK/Andy’s. I want a Taube, but will wait a bit EBay price is silly. Should have picked the last one at Metro Hobbies a few months ago.
With Weta I’ve had mixed experience with pre-order sometimes they turn up, sometimes not. Once again coulda shoulda picked some up at 30% off but couldn’t justify the spend at that time.
I didn't partake in Andy's this time around, really wasn't anything I wanted. However I did buy a Ships Camel from the Weta shop before Anys opened up for their pre-orders. They also have Ezline in as well as those Little Contemptibles. I might get the non-Post War NINAK once and perhaps if the NZ WNW warehouse opens up, but I have enough kits to last awhile.
Now, if I could build as fast as I can buy them....
Yes like most people I was never that interested in the 9a, but now thinking of an early or late. I’m sure it’s a nice kit to build but when I measure 43 cm wingspan out seems pretty big. I have the feeling if I get this or another ‘non essential’ kit like the Gotha G1 it will never make it out of the plastic bags and so become an unbuilt museum piece. Would I like to make them- yes. Do I have the time and space - no. Can I afford it to pay big $ for some WNW nostalgia- jury is out on that.
So for now I sit back and watch, as mentioned above - it’s hard not too !
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It will be interesting to see what happens now that Weta Workshop has some WnW kits up again.
From what I am seeing on FB they May already be selling out of the more popular kits. That being said who knows if they will post another batch or two.
RAGIII
PS: Funny, I just checked and all are still showing as "Low Stock" And to think I thought everything on Face Book was True ::)
I’m wondering about another batch or two also. WnW still had Albatross’ and several other kits for sale when they shut down and, AFAIK, these haven’t appeared anywhere yet
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I think these are kits Weta already had when the WNW part of their site went dark when Wingnuts folded (@ 30% off presumably because they were washing their hands of the last stock) As mentioned by Dave they are separate businesses with separate warehouses.
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It’s funny when Wingnuts had the 10th anniversary sale I was waiting at the airport for an OS trip looking at ordering a Ninak, Fok E.IV, Salmson, early Felixstowe and DFW which were all heavily discounted (up to 50% off) It wasn’t the right time to buy before a 6 week holiday, got the boarding call and that was that. How things have changed. No international travel and a Fok eiv is selling for triple its RRP! Strange times Indeed.
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Hi all,
Now that the HK and sellers warehouses have emptied the total stocks of WN kits must have been taken down a bit. It’s a big question but would anyone hazard a guess how many would be left in the NZ warehouse? A lot of Camels and Fokker D7s have been sold off but so have Dh9s and DFWs.
Some of the newer kits like the brown boxing’s and more recent releases don’t seem to have re surfaced. PS the answer can’t be how many angels can dance on a pinhead because the amount left is not infinite!)
Cheers, Daz
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the brown box no decal editions never made it to any retailer. did anyone actually get one direct from WNW? they may not have even made it to the NZ warehouse yet. i'd expect them to surface in some form, eventually
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I thought I saw someone showing they received a brown-box no decal kit from WNW but not finding now.
I do wonder if they might have a lot of plastic for the Alb and Pfalz sitting in the warehouse there as it felt like those kits were releasing right at the shutdown....
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the brown box no decal editions never made it to any retailer. did anyone actually get one direct from WNW? they may not have even made it to the NZ warehouse yet. i'd expect them to surface in some form, eventually
I saw that HLJ was selling them some time ago.
Actully I'm looking for have one each of those kits without decals...
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the brown box no decal editions never made it to any retailer. did anyone actually get one direct from WNW? they may not have even made it to the NZ warehouse yet. i'd expect them to surface in some form, eventually
I saw that HLJ was selling them some time ago.
Actully I'm looking for have one each of those kits without decals...
I think they got in before shutdown (unlike the the Dr1s & HPs) or maybe they had kits on hand and decided to break them up to get sales? I think brown box was where they were headed with left over decals like Fok D7s .
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the brown box no decal editions never made it to any retailer. did anyone actually get one direct from WNW? they may not have even made it to the NZ warehouse yet. i'd expect them to surface in some form, eventually
All the brown boxed kits are in NZ. There was an initial shipment that when to all distributors at the beginning of the year, but I am sure they have all sold by now.
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the brown box no decal editions never made it to any retailer. did anyone actually get one direct from WNW? they may not have even made it to the NZ warehouse yet. i'd expect them to surface in some form, eventually
All the brown boxed kits are in NZ. There was an initial shipment that when to all distributors at the beginning of the year, but I am sure they have all sold by now.
Yes, HLJ has listed them as "Stop Orders" since long ... I suppose it is an equivalent of "Sold Out"
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the brown box no decal editions never made it to any retailer. did anyone actually get one direct from WNW? they may not have even made it to the NZ warehouse yet. i'd expect them to surface in some form, eventually
All the brown boxed kits are in NZ. There was an initial shipment that when to all distributors at the beginning of the year, but I am sure they have all sold by now.
Yes, HLJ has listed them as "Stop Orders" since long ... I suppose it is an equivalent of "Sold Out"
HLJ never had them, they were available as preorders briefly, roughly around December.
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the brown box no decal editions never made it to any retailer. did anyone actually get one direct from WNW? they may not have even made it to the NZ warehouse yet. i'd expect them to surface in some form, eventually
All the brown boxed kits are in NZ. There was an initial shipment that when to all distributors at the beginning of the year, but I am sure they have all sold by now.
Yes, HLJ has listed them as "Stop Orders" since long ... I suppose it is an equivalent of "Sold Out"
HLJ never had them, they were available as preorders briefly, roughly around December.
Yes I don’t think the non- decal kits made it out just ‘coming soon’
Gee it would be interesting to know future plans.
I guess they still have a full warehouse and a website up. Not in denial about WNWs demise but it seems they still have a good basis to restart again in the future. ? Just sayin’
Anyway let’s keep supporting Roden, CSM etc as they are prepared to support us as Wingnuts staff like Dave used to, until the plug was pulled without any regards to their loyal staff or customers.
You know what if Wingnuts don’t want to let us know what’s going on and have no intention of turning it round, Stuff ‘em. I’m going to buy another Nieuport and cancel my pre orders at Weta. Daz out!
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the brown box no decal editions never made it to any retailer. did anyone actually get one direct from WNW? they may not have even made it to the NZ warehouse yet. i'd expect them to surface in some form, eventually
All the brown boxed kits are in NZ. There was an initial shipment that when to all distributors at the beginning of the year, but I am sure they have all sold by now.
Yes, HLJ has listed them as "Stop Orders" since long ... I suppose it is an equivalent of "Sold Out"
HLJ never had them, they were available as preorders briefly, roughly around December.
Yes I don’t think the non- decal kits made it out just ‘coming soon’
Gee it would be interesting to know future plans.
I guess they still have a full warehouse and a website up. Not in denial about WNWs demise but it seems they still have a good basis to restart again in the future. ? Just sayin’
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The no-decal kits (as well as many brown box albatross') showed up on the German retail sight this morning... and were promptly sold out. (I got 1 of each)
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They popped up today at MBK... just for one hour.
There were more than 100 Albatros and Pfalz without decals... they went out of stock very fast.
I suspect that more than one bought huge stocks of these models
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yeah for better or worse MBK let you buy as many as you want, and even offer free shipping if you buy a lot (how much you need to buy depends on where you are).
i can't complain i was desperate to fill in the Camels and D.VIIs in my spreadsheet and i did. i will now have to live until the age of 104 to complete my stash...
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the brown box no decal editions never made it to any retailer. did anyone actually get one direct from WNW? they may not have even made it to the NZ warehouse yet. i'd expect them to surface in some form, eventually
All the brown boxed kits are in NZ. There was an initial shipment that when to all distributors at the beginning of the year, but I am sure they have all sold by now.
Yes, HLJ has listed them as "Stop Orders" since long ... I suppose it is an equivalent of "Sold Out"
HLJ never had them, they were available as preorders briefly, roughly around December.
Yes I don’t think the non- decal kits made it out just ‘coming soon’
Gee it would be interesting to know future plans.
I guess they still have a full warehouse and a website up. Not in denial about WNWs demise but it seems they still have a good basis to restart again in the future. ? Just sayin’
Anyway let’s keep supporting Roden, CSM etc as they are prepared to support us as Wingnuts staff like Dave used to, until the plug was pulled without any regards to their loyal staff or customers.
Indeed, supporting companies like Roden, CSM, Special Hobby, AModel and the others puts money in their coffers for research and better molding techniques, ergo, better models and more variety.
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They popped up today at MBK... just for one hour.
There were more than 100 Albatros and Pfalz without decals... they went out of stock very fast.
I suspect that more than one bought huge stocks of these models
Geez you don’t look for a day and something happens!
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the brown box no decal editions never made it to any retailer. did anyone actually get one direct from WNW? they may not have even made it to the NZ warehouse yet. i'd expect them to surface in some form, eventually
All the brown boxed kits are in NZ. There was an initial shipment that when to all distributors at the beginning of the year, but I am sure they have all sold by now.
Yes, HLJ has listed them as "Stop Orders" since long ... I suppose it is an equivalent of "Sold Out"
HLJ never had them, they were available as preorders briefly, roughly around December.
Yes I don’t think the non- decal kits made it out just ‘coming soon’
Gee it would be interesting to know future plans.
I guess they still have a full warehouse and a website up. Not in denial about WNWs demise but it seems they still have a good basis to restart again in the future. ? Just sayin’
Anyway let’s keep supporting Roden, CSM etc as they are prepared to support us as Wingnuts staff like Dave used to, until the plug was pulled without any regards to their loyal staff or customers.
Indeed, supporting companies like Roden, CSM, Special Hobby, AModel and the others puts money in their coffers for research and better molding techniques, ergo, better models and more variety.
Yes indeed. Apologies for the mini rant I got uncharacteristically frustrated with the whole cone of silence around the closing
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I saw someone on the FB page have their WETA order refunded due to running out of stock. It is good that they at least let them know, but a bit worrying if they take over selling the main WNW stock from the website, we know how much of a flurry that will be (btw it seems WETA have no more WNW kits left now) and quite a few will be disappointed.
I do wonder at which point they will officially announce WNW has stopped producing kits and what the future holds of the website etc.
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I saw someone on the FB page have their WETA order refunded due to running out of stock. It is good that they at least let them know, but a bit worrying if they take over selling the main WNW stock from the website, we know how much of a flurry that will be (btw it seems WETA have no more WNW kits left now) and quite a few will be disappointed.
I do wonder at which point they will officially announce WNW has stopped producing kits and what the future holds of the website etc.
They emailed saying some of my orders were canceled due to lack of stock but others have been sent. One is still pre ordered
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Hi,
I noticed there are a lot more kits on EBay albeit at crazy prices. So it seems we’ll still see kits available in fits and starts at retailers then on the secondary market. In hindsight it wouldn’t of have been good if MBK etc put a limit on some of the more popular kits per person to even the playing field a bit. Anyway the show (circus?) goes on...!
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my two USAS Camels have shipped.
i think it's fair to say that Weta made a sincere effort to fulfill orders. if the WNW shop reopens with a bunch of rookie temps manning the warehouse i expect some mistakes also. but at this point beggars can't be choosers
(but since i'm begging i'm hoping the OAW sprues, and original LVG C.VI decals turn up somewhere).
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my two USAS Camels have shipped.
i think it's fair to say that Weta made a sincere effort to fulfill orders. if the WNW shop reopens with a bunch of rookie temps manning the warehouse i expect some mistakes also. but at this point beggars can't be choosers
(but since i'm begging i'm hoping the OAW sprues, and original LVG C.VI decals turn up somewhere).
I noticed the departure airport is Auckland. Let’s see how long they will be there. Stage 3 lockdown.
Yes and I was hoping to get a Fok D7 decal sheets as well as OAW and Alb sprue set,
wonder where and when they’ll turn up?
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seeing as we've witnessed at least one WNW controlled warehouse sold off, i think it's fair to expect the WNW-held stock to turn up in some form.
Weta shipments are going a bit slow, so it may not happen right now...
it's also entirely possible they'll dump it to a big distributor. in their position i'd be looking for the easiest option with the highest margins.
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I think that Wetanz took the whole wingnut inventory in NZ... at least from the mail that i received
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Yes I think Weta has completely washed their hands of WNW for now.
I guess we all wonder how PJ feels about the whole thing now or whether the decision is made and he’s left it up to the liquidators.
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I think that Wetanz took the whole wingnut inventory in NZ... at least from the mail that i received
if they have taken *all* Wingnuts' own inventory, where are the missing kits? there were no recent releases on offer, and a lot of sprues missing.
everything i saw in the screen grab (most of it was sold out before i got there, but someone on Facebook did a screen grab) was stuff Weta had before they stopped selling WNW.
so *if* Weta have everything there will be more there, but this that we just saw was clearly them selling off *their* inventory.
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I received an email from weta titled "The Final Flight of Wingnut Wings":
"We’ve unearthed the last of our model kits & dioramas. Wingnut Wings are making one final flight on our website. Get these historic favourites, before they’re gone for good."
So I suppose that they received the very last WNW kits in the NZ warehouse...
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ermeio,
When did you receive this email?
Nothing showing anymore @ their store.
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I understand the WnW kits being sold by Weta were their own stocks and were not the contents of the NZ WnW waehouse.
The status of the warehouse stock is still unknown but the Wingnut group are understood to be contacting model retailers, who think it may be related to warehouse disposal. However that is their assumption and as always Wingnut Group are not saying anything. They're so hyper secret they won't even confirm what day of the week it is in NZ. :)
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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I understand the WnW kits being sold by Weta were their own stocks and were not the contents of the NZ WnW waehouse.
The status of the warehouse stock is still unknown but the Wingnut group are understood to be contacting model retailers, who think it may be related to warehouse disposal. However that is their assumption and as always Wingnut Group are not saying anything. They're so hyper secret they won't even confirm what day of the week it is in NZ. :)
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
Good one Dave ;D As mentioned Weta was selling off their own stock (I believe Dave J conformed 2 separate warehouses) @ 30% off before Covid. This was the last of it. There wasn’t much and it went quick. The WNW inventory is in its warehouse, for now...
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I understand the WnW kits being sold by Weta were their own stocks and were not the contents of the NZ WnW waehouse.
The status of the warehouse stock is still unknown but the Wingnut group are understood to be contacting model retailers, who think it may be related to warehouse disposal. However that is their assumption and as always Wingnut Group are not saying anything. They're so hyper secret they won't even confirm what day of the week it is in NZ. :)
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
thanks, Dave
so there is still some chance to see the last stocks poppin'up somewhere innthe next weeks
I hope so ... (well, my wallet will not be so happy :()
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ermeio,
When did you receive this email?
Nothing showing anymore @ their store.
I received it the last week... on opening the link only some not essential WNW kits were available and in one hour not even those...
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I understand the WnW kits being sold by Weta were their own stocks and were not the contents of the NZ WnW waehouse.
The status of the warehouse stock is still unknown but the Wingnut group are understood to be contacting model retailers, who think it may be related to warehouse disposal. However that is their assumption and as always Wingnut Group are not saying anything. They're so hyper secret they won't even confirm what day of the week it is in NZ. :)
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
thanks, Dave
so there is still some chance to see the last stocks poppin'up somewhere innthe next weeks
I hope so ... (well, my wallet will not be so happy :()
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The last three sales( MBK, Andys x2) have totaled just a few hundred kits, not the closer to 1000 or more I might have expected. Are kit stocks that low? Those three sales had what, 20 Felixstowes? I also noticed that there was not a lot of crossover in kits from MBK and Andys, except for Camels and two seaters. Did I miss something?
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The last three sales( MBK, Andys x2) have totaled just a few hundred kits, not the closer to 1000 or more I might have expected. Are kit stocks that low? Those three sales had what, 20 Felixstowes? I also noticed that there was not a lot of crossover in kits from MBK and Andys, except for Camels and two seaters. Did I miss something?
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I’ve got a feeling it was more than a few hundred. There was at least 100 each of many kits. I don’t know if it was more than 1000 for each store though, but someone could estimate. WNWs excess kits have certainly been reduced, including ‘non- essentials’. Sprue Bro’s, Hannants, HLJ, BNA etc etc all sold out as well.
I don’t know how many are in NZ but it seems the market is not yet saturated. I’d say it wouldn’t be too hard for WNW to find willing retailers to sell off the remainder in bulk.
But how many on average of each kit are left 100, 500, 1000? Who knows.
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Andy's said their first shipment was USD 50,000 worth of inventory. if they are all single seaters, that'd be almost 633 kits. (like 632.9 or so).
if they weren't all single-seaters, that's a lot less. and they weren't all single seaters.
so i suspect more inventory exists. i also expect word will get out fast, and existing inventory of popular kits will be drained fast.
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Andy's said their first shipment was USD 50,000 worth of inventory. if they are all single seaters, that'd be almost 633 kits. (like 632.9 or so).
if they weren't all single-seaters, that's a lot less. and they weren't all single seaters.
so i suspect more inventory exists. i also expect word will get out fast, and existing inventory of popular kits will be drained fast.
In the video announcing the Friday Sale (that is since removed from Youtube) Andy mentioned that he had something like "300 aircraft" in total (I think it was) and he quickly muttered something about some of the boxes having 2 aircraft in 1 box (the duelist sets).
In any event, whatever Andy had, I am pretty confident is now gone.
The exception being whatever might still be sitting in his brick and mortar store in Arizona.
It sounds like he broke up his stash of WNW kits into 2 groups, roughly equal in size, and apportioned one group to the website and one group to the hobby shop in Phoenix.
Were people running into the hobby store and leaving with thousands of dollars of WNW kits? I don't know.
I suppose he might still have some kits sitting in his store.
I still think we are going to get a "sell off" of the WNW warehouse stuff.
There should still be quite a lot of stock of "in production" kits sitting on shelves somewhere in NZ that presumably are to be sold.
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ermeio,
When did you receive this email?
Nothing showing anymore @ their store.
I received it the last week... on opening the link only some not essential WNW kits were available and in one hour not even those...
Word had got out before that email was even sent and most kits had already sold out by the time it arrived in most people's inboxes.
It's like whoever was in charge of the WETA stock put it on the website for sale and then informed another group to add it to the mailing list not realizing that it was kind of pointless as these kits are selling out fast everywhere.
I did try contacting "WNW", but predictably got the same auto-response back.
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ermeio,
When did you receive this email?
Nothing showing anymore @ their store.
I received it the last week... on opening the link only some not essential WNW kits were available and in one hour not even those...
Word had got out before that email was even sent and most kits had already sold out by the time it arrived in most people's inboxes.
It's like whoever was in charge of the WETA stock put it on the website for sale and then informed another group to add it to the mailing list not realizing that it was kind of pointless as these kits are selling out fast everywhere.
Agree, when the mail arrived i had already visited the website some days before and the kits were going "sold out" fast.
I think the email was just an alert for the very last stock they dig out, since there were some kits (AGO and Rumpler, namely) that i did not spot three days before, but it could be my fault.
I hope that this was the Weta stock, even if they had no stock after december/january
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Andy's said their first shipment was USD 50,000 worth of inventory. if they are all single seaters, that'd be almost 633 kits. (like 632.9 or so).
if they weren't all single-seaters, that's a lot less. and they weren't all single seaters.
so i suspect more inventory exists. i also expect word will get out fast, and existing inventory of popular kits will be drained fast.
Ok say a rough estimate that both stores combined had 1000-2000 kits sold. (?) MBK had at least 100 plus Camels D7s Albatros and most every other kit so I’d say over 1000 easy.
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Andy's said their first shipment was USD 50,000 worth of inventory. if they are all single seaters, that'd be almost 633 kits. (like 632.9 or so).
if they weren't all single-seaters, that's a lot less. and they weren't all single seaters.
so i suspect more inventory exists. i also expect word will get out fast, and existing inventory of popular kits will be drained fast.
In the video announcing the Friday Sale (that is since removed from Youtube) Andy mentioned that he had something like "300 aircraft" in total (I think it was) and he quickly muttered something about some of the boxes having 2 aircraft in 1 box (the duelist sets).
In any event, whatever Andy had, I am pretty confident is now gone.
The exception being whatever might still be sitting in his brick and mortar store in Arizona.
It sounds like he broke up his stash of WNW kits into 2 groups, roughly equal in size, and apportioned one group to the website and one group to the hobby shop in Phoenix.
Were people running into the hobby store and leaving with thousands of dollars of WNW kits? I don't know.
I suppose he might still have some kits sitting in his store.
I still think we are going to get a "sell off" of the WNW warehouse stuff.
There should still be quite a lot of stock of "in production" kits sitting on shelves somewhere in NZ that presumably are to be sold.
In production kits? Like Brown boxing’s?
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not to put words in his mou--- errr, keyboard, but yeah a lot of the kits that were still in production when they shut down didn't show up in significant numbers in the various warehouse selloffs so far.
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not to put words in his mou--- errr, keyboard, but yeah a lot of the kits that were still in production when they shut down didn't show up in significant numbers in the various warehouse selloffs so far.
But we can exclude the HPs and Lance because like the Dr1s they never quite made it?
So in production might be Albatros and Pfalz no decal kits -any others?
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not to put words in his mou--- errr, keyboard, but yeah a lot of the kits that were still in production when they shut down didn't show up in significant numbers in the various warehouse selloffs so far.
But we can exclude the HPs and Lance because like the Dr1s they never quite made it?
So in production might be Albatros and Pfalz no decal kits -any others?
they were pretty far along but i don't think they started actual production. Richard Alexander, in a Facebook group, said he didn't know the fate of the Lanc or Paralyzer. i guess it depends on if whoever was tooling those thinks it's worth it to produce them.
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Andy's said their first shipment was USD 50,000 worth of inventory. if they are all single seaters, that'd be almost 633 kits. (like 632.9 or so).
if they weren't all single-seaters, that's a lot less. and they weren't all single seaters.
so i suspect more inventory exists. i also expect word will get out fast, and existing inventory of popular kits will be drained fast.
In the video announcing the Friday Sale (that is since removed from Youtube) Andy mentioned that he had something like "300 aircraft" in total (I think it was) and he quickly muttered something about some of the boxes having 2 aircraft in 1 box (the duelist sets).
In any event, whatever Andy had, I am pretty confident is now gone.
The exception being whatever might still be sitting in his brick and mortar store in Arizona.
It sounds like he broke up his stash of WNW kits into 2 groups, roughly equal in size, and apportioned one group to the website and one group to the hobby shop in Phoenix.
Were people running into the hobby store and leaving with thousands of dollars of WNW kits? I don't know.
I suppose he might still have some kits sitting in his store.
I still think we are going to get a "sell off" of the WNW warehouse stuff.
There should still be quite a lot of stock of "in production" kits sitting on shelves somewhere in NZ that presumably are to be sold.
In production kits? Like Brown boxing’s?
A week or so ago MBK got some brown box kits in. I ordered the no-decal Albatros and no-decal Pfalz kits; When I ordered mine they had 60+ of the Pfalz and within about 1/2 hour of when I ordered they were sold out. So I got in just under the wire. So who knows how many of those kits are in warehouses still.
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I received my two brown boxes (D.V and Pfalz) from MBK today
When I ordered there were some 70 each... Luckily I spent my last money in time on them, since half an hour later there was none...
I spent around 20 minutes at the telling machine to move money on my card and when I was back both the brown box models were sold out...
I guess they received 100 of each brown box / no decals and they were sold out in less than one hour.
Someone now has a pile in his inventory...
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I just noticed that MBK seems to have zero WNW kits of any type left at the site.
The big banner they had for WNW kits at the home page is gone and a search yields nothing!
Pretty sure they had a whole bunch there yesterday as usual.
Not sure what happened.
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https://www.modellbau-koenig.de/en/Aircrafts/Aircraft-Models-1-24-1-32/Aircraft-WW1 (https://www.modellbau-koenig.de/en/Aircrafts/Aircraft-Models-1-24-1-32/Aircraft-WW1)
I searched via their drop down menu to 1:32 and WWI and got this. Similar to what was showing yesterday.
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I just noticed that MBK seems to have zero WNW kits of any type left at the site.
The big banner they had for WNW kits at the home page is gone and a search yields nothing!
Pretty sure they had a whole bunch there yesterday as usual.
Not sure what happened.
Only the banner is gone. They still have the same amount of different kits left as yesterday (eight).
If you search via brands it is easy to find.
Luke
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They seem to be selling a few Halb vs Re8 duellists set a day. Started a 100 and now under 50.
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SprueBro's are down to 69 UWD's.
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SprueBro's are down to 69 UWD's.
They'll probably have those until November. Too esoteric of model and not a big seller.
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SprueBro's are down to 69 UWD's.
They'll probably have those until November. Too esoteric of model and not a big seller.
No these are slow sellers. For most’non-essential’. The kit that broke WNW - or was that the Lancaster?
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SprueBro's are down to 69 UWD's.
They'll probably have those until November. Too esoteric of model and not a big seller.
No these are slow sellers. For most’non-essential’. The kit that broke WNW - or was that the Lancaster?
From what I can ascertain from interviews here and elsewhere it wasn't just one kit.
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Okay, for those that iive in the Phoenix Arizona area, I stopped by Andy's today. Lots of DH.9's, NINAK's DFW's and One AEG Early. No Meng DR.I's at this time, but according to Andy, in about two weeks he will be getting his shipment of DR.I's and more WNW from his German connection. (MBK) I will probably he heading up there after a phone to ensure what he has. I am not affiliated with Andy's but thought if there are forumites in the area this might be helpful for planning purposes.
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...more WNW from his German connection.
one for the rumor mill... i wonder if this is a sign that WNW has negotiated to dispose of some if its NZ inventory via MBK?
maybe not, maybe MBK are just splitting off some of what they still have.
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...more WNW from his German connection.
one for the rumor mill... i wonder if this is a sign that WNW has negotiated to dispose of some if its NZ inventory via MBK?
maybe not, maybe MBK are just splitting off some of what they still have.
Thanks probably the later. I imagine a shipment from NZ to Europe is a bit slow at the moment.
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...more WNW from his German connection.
one for the rumor mill... i wonder if this is a sign that WNW has negotiated to dispose of some if its NZ inventory via MBK?
maybe not, maybe MBK are just splitting off some of what they still have.
Not sure. There was a thread on LSP about another shipment from MBK that went up as pre sales and sold out fast. Perhaps that’s that and he’s saving a few kits for the store as before.
The kit list wasn’t anything rare from what I remember.
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i'm assuming you are referring to the 2nd shipment at MBK, not a 3rd shipment?
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Yes.
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A post war Ninak arrived from WETA today - perfect! There is so much plastic for this beast I had to have a few goes trying to fit the sprues in and get the lid on again!
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A post war Ninak arrived from WETA today - perfect! There is so much plastic for this beast I had to have a few goes trying to fit the sprues in and get the lid on again!
Your lucky, I got an email from weta today saying they oversold the US warehouse and my models would be shipping from NZ, so at least another month for me.
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i got 2 USAS Camels from Weta yesterday. only problem, one box was crushed, and wet. inside box was also crushed. however the good news, the sprues are ok it looks like the decals are OK too, but this one's meant to be a different Clerget Camel not USAS.
i don't know whether it got crushed and wet on the NZ end or the TH end, but generally both postal services have been rock solid. i think it's just an unlucky rare event.
that said i get the impression that Weta were generally overwhelmed by the WNW crush and the remaining kits won't be sold through there. the ones they just sold off were their own inventory not WNW, i'm pretty sure of that.
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A post war Ninak arrived from WETA today - perfect! There is so much plastic for this beast I had to have a few goes trying to fit the sprues in and get the lid on again!
Your lucky, I got an email from weta today saying they oversold the US warehouse and my models would be shipping from NZ, so at least another month for me.
I got the same Email. The more I think about it the more pissed I am. They took My Money 20 days ago and said it would be delivered by the 25th. They waited until the 24th to let Me know it was out of stock.I find it hard to believe that they "Just" came to the realization! I only ordered one kit and that was more or less a whim. The more I think about it the More I think I will ask for a refund and send My Money to Copper State like I originally planned!
RAGIII
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Okay, for those that iive in the Phoenix Arizona area, I stopped by Andy's today. Lots of DH.9's, NINAK's DFW's and One AEG Early. No Meng DR.I's at this time, but according to Andy, in about two weeks he will be getting his shipment of DR.I's and more WNW from his German connection. (MBK) I will probably he heading up there after a phone to ensure what he has. I am not affiliated with Andy's but thought if there are forumites in the area this might be helpful for planning purposes.
Keep in mind MBK went from having a bunch of WNW kits to have none overnight, about a week ago or so.
I wonder if they did a deal to send a bunch of their inventory to Andy.
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Sad to see that much hasn't changed with WETA. Great people... but these are simple issues that shouldn't be happening.
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A post war Ninak arrived from WETA today - perfect! There is so much plastic for this beast I had to have a few goes trying to fit the sprues in and get the lid on again!
Your lucky, I got an email from weta today saying they oversold the US warehouse and my models would be shipping from NZ, so at least another month for me.
Yes it’s ironic. Because they are such high end products I am dismayed when a box comes in crushed. Some people don’t care. It’s cardboard so shit happens but when I got this one and it was perfect I almost fell off my seat! Plenty I had wished that way didn’t make it undamaged. I have a few on economy mail and they are backed up in Auckland and I have little or no hopes for the same results again.
Weta cancelled a few of my orders due to lack of stock. They kept me informed but it was a let down. 2 are supposed to be coming from NZ so I hope it’s the right Camel! I wonder if they are having these out of stocks coming from WNW in NZ? Maybe.
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I wonder if they are having these out of stocks coming from WNW in NZ? Maybe.
I really doubt that, as they would have more kits on offer than they would. WETA never stocked anything from the Taube onwards.
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I wonder if they are having these out of stocks coming from WNW in NZ? Maybe.
I really doubt that, as they would have more kits on offer than they would. WETA never stocked anything from the Taube onwards.
That just reminded me of the time they had the Junkers D1 on pre-order. I waited for months being told every time ‘it should be arriving at the end of next week.’ It never did so I cancelled and got it at Mighty Ape. Same happened with the Taube but it Rina arrived crushed but still buildable ( not WETAs fault)
I’m glad I have it now, the EBay prices are ridiculous. I intend to build it rather than collecting so all good. That said I think they do their best and it’s nice emailing them over there.
As an aside both these kits are great the aluminium surface texture on the D1; and the Taube - you can hold it up and see the ribs over the thin wing and tail, outstanding. Dc
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I have been following this thread right from the start and I have a question . Now I hope no one takes this the wrong way or gets up set but .....
Does it really matter how many kits may or may not be left ?
Terri
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Hi Terri
Your comment - Does it really matter how many kits may or may not be left ? - is the calm voice of logic and reason this issue needs. I've watched as people globally go into meltdown chasing Wingnut kits, but few seem to want them to build, but the kits seem to have become "collector" treasures. They are not Grail items and should not be regarded as such.
They are superb models and as such should be made but if I wanted an appreciating "collector" asset I would go for Faberge eggs or other jewelled creations, not bits of moulded plastic.
No disrespect to those wanting a collection of every WNW kit, everyone's take on the hobby is their personal interest.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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I have been following this thread right from the start and I have a question . Now I hope no one takes this the wrong way or gets up set but .....
Does it really matter how many kits may or may not be left ?
Terri
I have been watching this thread too. One part of me says who cares how many are left. Give it a year or five. All of the wnw molds will resurface....
Ray
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Terri
Thanks for coming right out and saying it. I have been wanting to say something, but every time I have tried, it comes out way too harsh, so I hit the delete key out of respect for the tone of this Forum. Thanks again for saying what needed to be said.
sp
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Both are valid questions. How many are left and who cares? No harm in asking!
The WNW issue is unresolved and needing to add a few kits ‘to finish/ fill out the spreadsheet’ we hope the NZ warehouses reopens to avoid rip off prices. I started in late 2016 and missed a few I wanted. Maybe others are in the same boat. I don’t understand the ‘tulip fever’ and don’t agree with short term speculation but can’t judge by individual circumstance. But it is ridiculous because I look at the price and think are my skills equal to the current inflated value.
These are not one-off items and can be mass produced so are not rare in that sense.
And yes once you snip them off their trees they become a hobby again.
I think once the last kits are released for sale and WNW is closed, or they by chance re open this will no longer be relevant. Will the moulds go into production again? In fact these are probably the more interesting questions of which we have no answer yet.
I guess patience is needed but a bit of transparency from WNW for people who have supported them over the years might have been good.
Anyway time to get back to the bench...hopefully those Dr1s arrive soon...Dc
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This ^^
If I can get some solid information From this thread about availability of certain kits it may stop me paying say £200+ for an Albatros rather than rrp
Builder not collector btw
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I have been following this thread right from the start and I have a question . Now I hope no one takes this the wrong way or gets up set but .....
Does it really matter how many kits may or may not be left ?
Terri
i've got pretty much everything i need, unless someone releases the Paralyzer and the Lanc.
i'm just watching the way one watches a bad traffic accident. or a funeral.
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Hello,
I'll add my:
What is happening now with WnW sets is similar to what happened some 10 years ago with the Tasca company. Everyone panicked that such a company was liquidated (maybe not everyone knows they made the best M4 available on the market in 1:35 scale - and it has remained so until today. I even think that WnW took an example from them), and suddenly some 3 years ago we see ASUKA releases old Tasca. They didn't even change the forms, they added some elements in separate moldings and they changed the boxes. Currently, they are quite a dynamic company, releasing new models. I think the same will be with the WnW forms, or with the company itself. Now people are overwhelmed with panic, or worse "stupidcov". You have to take it all calmly. Great that they have released some great models. We should have only great memories associated with it and what we are doing now will only be remembered about the crazy prices and figuring out what, where and how much is left. And these prices. So let's only have great memories and do what we managed to keep / gain and derive as much joy from the hobby so that at least some remain for our descendants and the future generation of modelers, to see how models were made in the past and have joy and learning from our accomplishments. Because with the current situation and the commitment of young people, I think that we are the last generation who love this wonderful hobby. As someone once said (1940), "Only buttons will remain for me."
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Hello,
I'll add my:
What is happening now with WnW sets is similar to what happened some 10 years ago with the Tasca company. Everyone panicked that such a company was liquidated (maybe not everyone knows they made the best M4 available on the market in 1:35 scale - and it has remained so until today. I even think that WnW took an example from them), and suddenly some 3 years ago we see ASUKA releases old Tasca. They didn't even change the forms, they added some elements in separate moldings and they changed the boxes. Currently, they are quite a dynamic company, releasing new models. I think the same will be with the WnW forms, or with the company itself. Now people are overwhelmed with panic, or worse "stupidcov". You have to take it all calmly. Great that they have released some great models. We should have only great memories associated with it and what we are doing now will only be remembered about the crazy prices and figuring out what, where and how much is left. And these prices. So let's only have great memories and do what we managed to keep / gain and derive as much joy from the hobby so that at least some remain for our descendants and the future generation of modelers, to see how models were made in the past and have joy and learning from our accomplishments. Because with the current situation and the commitment of young people, I think that we are the last generation who love this wonderful hobby. As someone once said (1940), "Only buttons will remain for me."
In certain parts of the world and with certain subject matters, model making is alive and well with young people.
We may be the last generation that wants to build weapons of war from WWI or WWII, but I think modeling will continue.
Gundam, mecha, sci-fi type stuff is hugely popular all over the world, and modeling is a huge, mainstream activity in Japan.
To name just a few specifics.
Will WNW kits be re-popped by someone else down the line and re-offered as new kits for normal MSRP?
Maybe! It depends entirely on whether or not Peter Jackson wants to go that route or not. At least as long as he's alive.
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I mean I sorta did care? The thread was/has been useful to point out when certain places received some of the last kits sold at reasonable prices and I was able to pick up two kits that I still wanted but did not want to have to sell a kidney to afford them?
I figure if whatever remains of WNW decides to sell off sprues of the engines and maybe the DVII version trees this thread might be useful for that as well to get the word out to forum-members who are looking for those?
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In some respects it doesn’t matter how many kits WN may have mothballed, if we can’t get access to them.
Some things just don’t last. I was gutted when The Undertones split up before I was old enough to go see them live, but I’ve got the records..
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That made me choke on my Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster!! ;) ;D
Andrew
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Thank you guys for chiming in too my question .
I can respect that 8)
Terri
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Hello,
I did not want to offend anyone with my speech. My point is that nowadays what I see is a growing reluctance of young people towards modeling. This hobby is replaced by electronics. Maybe the reason is also the time running out faster and the lack of patience. What does not work quickly is lost. Modeling companies try to cope with it so that the effects are fast and satisfactory - 2 or even 3 component injections, assembly without glue and immediately painted. The Japanese don't count to the rest of the world, they have a deeply rooted motivation for very strange hobbies that are very much respected by society.
I wrote about the disappearance of modeling on the basis of what is happening in Poland. I ran model common room in 2 cities, but unfortunately they were closed due to lack of interest. The same thing happens with model stores, but here I understand the power of the Internet. I have lived in large cities (Poznań, Bydgoszcz, Szczecin) and currently I live in Łódź. Here, too, I see the disappearance of not only reduction but also RC modeling.
Coming back to the main story, I found it very interesting at first. The information on where to get the coveted WnW set was very helpful, but that slowly disappeared. It would be nice if there was a thread about the availability of models in a given store without many hours of searching very familiar and lesser stores. It was thanks to this thread that I got 2 sets from MBK, where I never really bought myself, the domestic market was enough for me.
Soon I will show the work interrupted with Morane. I decided to finish other projects with 1:35 first - too much on my head is very unhealthy (at least for me).
So good luck to you all.
Best regards.
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That made me choke on my Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster!! ;) ;D
Andrew
;D ;D
That might even give Marvin the manically depressed robot a giggle
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Shit how did you know?
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Deep thought
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Deep thought
After a lengthy period of no activity at WNW in NZ, they started mailing out all those back orders that had been ordered prior to the shutdown, and things seemed to be moving forward again.
Then we heard of the apparent deal with Meng to sell the Dreidecker.
I really thought the website would open up for sales by now, if it was going to.
I'm curious if people think the WNW website will ever go active again, or if it's over.
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Deep thought
After a lengthy period of no activity at WNW in NZ, they started mailing out all those back orders that had been ordered prior to the shutdown, and things seemed to be moving forward again.
Then we heard of the apparent deal with Meng to sell the Dreidecker.
I really thought the website would open up for sales by now, if it was going to.
I'm curious if people think the WNW website will ever go active again, or if it's over.
I sent them another email to see if I could get an update on that, and unsurprisingly received the same canned response in return that we have had for months.Whatever they're planning or not planning we're simply not privy to at this time. We could speculate, but in the end unless someone is close enough to actually know gives out hints we're just shooting in the dark.
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do we have some agent in NZ? near there, I mean? no google cam in realtime there?
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i got 2 USAS Camels from Weta yesterday. only problem, one box was crushed, and wet. inside box was also crushed. however the good news, the sprues are ok it looks like the decals are OK too, but this one's meant to be a different Clerget Camel not USAS.
i don't know whether it got crushed and wet on the NZ end or the TH end, but generally both postal services have been rock solid. i think it's just an unlucky rare event.
that said i get the impression that Weta were generally overwhelmed by the WNW crush and the remaining kits won't be sold through there. the ones they just sold off were their own inventory not WNW, i'm pretty sure of that.
I had an order on a Clerget Camel from Weta. Chased it up after weeks. Situation: No Clerget Camel. I didn’t bid on any EBay Clerget’s expecting it to come through of course. The joys of ordering and having money tied up for something that doesn’t materialise. ::)
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Deep thought
After a lengthy period of no activity at WNW in NZ, they started mailing out all those back orders that had been ordered prior to the shutdown, and things seemed to be moving forward again.
Then we heard of the apparent deal with Meng to sell the Dreidecker.
I really thought the website would open up for sales by now, if it was going to.
I'm curious if people think the WNW website will ever go active again, or if it's over.
I sent them another email to see if I could get an update on that, and unsurprisingly received the same canned response in return that we have had for months.Whatever they're planning or not planning we're simply not privy to at this time. We could speculate, but in the end unless someone is close enough to actually know gives out hints we're just shooting in the dark.
As mentioned they probably won’t start up until NZ postal service is fully operational. They would also need to re staff. It’s just a waiting game now. We need Ant Man to get in there for some intel.
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I was looking at the WNW site last night- this is such a great resource. I’ll have to get a copy of the hints and tips section for future reference especially instruction correction.
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i got 2 USAS Camels from Weta yesterday. only problem, one box was crushed, and wet. inside box was also crushed. however the good news, the sprues are ok it looks like the decals are OK too, but this one's meant to be a different Clerget Camel not USAS.
i don't know whether it got crushed and wet on the NZ end or the TH end, but generally both postal services have been rock solid. i think it's just an unlucky rare event.
that said i get the impression that Weta were generally overwhelmed by the WNW crush and the remaining kits won't be sold through there. the ones they just sold off were their own inventory not WNW, i'm pretty sure of that.
I had an order on a Clerget Camel from Weta. Chased it up after weeks. Situation: No Clerget Camel. I didn’t bid on any EBay Clerget’s expecting it to come through of course. The joys of ordering and having money tied up for something that doesn’t materialise. ::)
Update: Weta emailed, no Clerget or any other kits available at Weta now :'(
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I received a package from New Zealand in the post on Saturday. Weta came through with a Salmson 2-A2b"USAS"
This is probably the last Wingnut Wings kit I'll add to my stash, I good with that.
Kevin
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I received a package from New Zealand in the post on Saturday. Weta came through with a Salmson 2-A2b"USAS"
This is probably the last Wingnut Wings kit I'll add to my stash, I good with that.
Kevin
The Salmson is really nice, interesting schemes. I’ve developed a new appreciation of WNWs 2 seaters since the closure and we might not see them kitted again.
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I noticed a post on LSP about Taube possibly being re-popped by a Chinese company. If it was like the Meng situation I’d be interested in getting a cheaper than EBay WNW Taube.
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Sorry just noticed there’s another thread - please ignore ::)
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So I just went to WNW'w website, clicked on the price for a "currently available" kit, expecting to see the "Sorry, we aren't taking orders because COVID 19" page....and instead got a computer generated warning saying the page can't be found.
I'm no computer expert. But it's like the link to the "we aren't taking orders" page is now gone.
This seems to be a move backward, not forward.
It also lends a little support to my theory that the warehouse in NZ is never going to open up again with new sales, at least not through the WNW website.
I think they're done.
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i, too, think they're done, but i saw your post and tried the site. it worked ok for me.
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Still getting the page with the COVID-19 warning, and I don't see the point having to answer to customers with that lie when they are already done... And if they ever resell whatever is left thru another distributor, chances are slim to buying one, I'm saying that after experiencing the Andy's HQ Online Sales Fiasco, the first two seconds of opening sales to the public, all the inventory was gone
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Still getting the page with the COVID-19 warning, and I don't see the point having to answer to customers with that lie when they are already done... And if they ever resell whatever is left thru another distributor, chances are slim to buying one, I'm saying that after experiencing the Andy's HQ Online Sales Fiasco, the first two seconds of opening sales to the public, all the inventory was gone
Agree about the Covid furphy. I hope the Andy’s thing isn’t repeated.
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i expect that even if they reopen their own e-shop the bloodbath will look a lot like the Andy's Massacre. or maybe a little slower, like the MBK Massacre.
i don't need any more WNW but for some reason i can't stop watching...
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i expect that even if they reopen their own e-shop the bloodbath will look a lot like the Andy's Massacre. or maybe a little slower, like the MBK Massacre.
i don't need any more WNW but for some reason i can't stop watching...
I'm with you on that Jeff, I can't stop watching and buying. A lot of people are up at the crack of dawn waiting for Andy's to get the shipment freed up from Halifax. It's a first come first served deal. You almost have to do a buy it now as in your cart doesn't guarantee a sale.
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i expect that even if they reopen their own e-shop the bloodbath will look a lot like the Andy's Massacre. or maybe a little slower, like the MBK Massacre.
i don't need any more WNW but for some reason i can't stop watching...
MBK was the Andy’s massacre in slo mo, except popular kits- same deal! I don’t think the WNW warehouse could handle the shock and awe that would follow re-opening. I was hoping a local store would get a shipment so I could nab a Taube and a few extra. I’ll keep dreaming. Seems like whoever gets the last will experience a feeding frenzy. Makes you wonder if Sir PJ isn’t having second thoughts. Hobby stores did well during lockdowns so that was a bad call. Closed due to Covid- what a load of crap ;D
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I'd imagine PJ by now will just want as much distance as possible between himself and the ruins of Wingnuts. Been there, done that: move on.
I had harboured a residual hope that he might have taken pity on us Wingnutters and allowed others to produce kits from the existing moulds but, given the negativity and stupid petty criticisms of the Dr.I plastic from Meng (mostly on Facebook), I think that now extremely unlikely.
Rather than stoke any more flames with a frenzied sell-off of any remaining kits, there is perhaps more likely to be a small plasticky conflagration on a bonfire behind the WNW warehouse in NZ!
(hee-hee-hee, running for cover from the apoplectic reactions from any of the optimists hoping for a resurrection from the ashes!😃)
Sandy
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Then there’s that too...
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I'd imagine PJ by now will just want as much distance as possible between himself and the ruins of Wingnuts. Been there, done that: move on.
I had harboured a residual hope that he might have taken pity on us Wingnutters and allowed others to produce kits from the existing moulds but, given the negativity and stupid petty criticisms of the Dr.I plastic from Meng (mostly on Facebook), I think that now extremely unlikely.
Rather than stoke any more flames with a frenzied sell-off of any remaining kits, there is perhaps more likely to be a small plasticky conflagration on a bonfire behind the WNW warehouse in NZ!
(hee-hee-hee, running for cover from the apoplectic reactions from any of the optimists hoping for a resurrection from the ashes!😃)
Sandy
It's those same nay bob's of negativity and the mindless spewers of prattle on FB and elsewhere, slamming the Meng DR. I, that by their stupidity will ensure that Meng will never release or spend the time on another WWI Kit; who will bemoan the lack of new plastic in 1/32nd WWI Kits.
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I think Meng will pay more attention to sales of the Fokker DR.I than they will some twit bitching about a model kit on Facebook.
If they sell well and it is financially viable for Meng to pop another WNW kit, and if they can work out the agreement to do so with someone representing the former WNW, they will do it.
If the kits sell poorly, they'll move on.
There is an utter explosion in modeling going on right now with many new, quality companies entering the market. Most are from China, and they are almost exclusively focusing on 1/35 military/armor subjects.
I think the model industry has determined there isn't a lot of money to be made making 1/32 scale aircraft.
If there was, all these new companies would be making 1/32 airplanes and not 1/35 tanks.
If your modeling passion is 1/32 WWI aircraft, that's a tough pill to swallow, but there it is.
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for those that are interested a camel and fokker e.ii have just popped up on MBK
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Thanks gcn, I was needing a USAS Camel and managed to get one from the 5 they had!
Cheers, Mate.
Sandy
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Glad to have been of service.
Her indoors was promised no more models after a package from HLJ arrived last week and then I noticed the E.II was available.
Gary
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for those that are interested a camel and fokker e.ii have just popped up on MBK
Someone was quicker than me :D
But thanks for the tip!
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for those that are interested a camel and fokker e.ii have just popped up on MBK
Someone was quicker than me :D
But thanks for the tip!
Yes quick and good the dead! But thanks for the heads up! ( I managed to get 2 USAS Camels from Weta - one was supposed to be a Clerget, but USAS has Clerget so all good.
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Glad to have been of service.
Her indoors was promised no more models after a package from HLJ arrived last week and then I noticed the E.II was available.
Gary
:-[ Haha. Know the feeling! But apart from that it keeps us out of trouble right? Good luck with the MBK parcel ;)