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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: RLWP on April 05, 2020, 05:38:32 AM
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This Covid-19 has been getting me down, I'm finding I don't want to take on anything complicated at the moment because I'm not sure I can deal with the frustration.
So, I'm starting something fresh:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0585.JPG)
I've been after one of these Hobbycraft Canada kits for ages, I finally won one on Ebay for £15.50 (including postage!)
And this is how I want to finish it:
(http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/Profils/067_SPAD_XIII_d%27Indy.jpg)
From here: http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/escadrille067.htm (http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/escadrille067.htm)
To stop myself getting carried away, I am imposing some constraints on myself:
Don't buy anything extra for this kit
If you can't see it, don't model it
Don't take on too much
Get some support
So, I'll only add details if they are easily made from what's in the house. I'll probably rob some spare photoetch from the SPAD VII for some parts, fortunately not much will fit. No Gaspatch guns, no fancy decals, no WNW Hispano engine...
The second bit is obvious, and I usually forget to follow it.
The third is where I usually get stuck. I like a bit of a challenge, just now I'd rather avoid it. And this is where you lot come in
'Get some support'. If it looks like I am getting obsessed with trivia, starting to flag, getting carried away or whatever, I'd like your advice and support. It's OK to say 'stop - you don't need to be doing that'. I might not listen, I will reflect on what you say. Likewise, encouragement is always appreciated
So, away we go.
Richard
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Richard
I am about to embark on the Revell 1;28 Spad XIII with all the goodies from CSM and after finishing off 2 stalled projects I felt like something simple before I dive into the Spad. I am doing the old Revell SM-62 Snark. Nothing but a long seam to fill for good practice. So you are not alone in wanting a break from serious modeling. Just take some time to enjoy building a simple kit. It really helps balance the perspective. Don't stop now, go at it full bore and just enjoy the build and leave the super detailing for another kit. Looking forward to seeing this kit come together in the really neat livery you have chosen.
sp
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Excellent choice Richard! I will certainly try to reign you in if you begin to get carried away! I love the scheme you chose. One sort of Funny thing here, My next build/s are going to be 3 of these kits at one time. Luke, Rickenbacker, and Maybe Guynemer. Not sure of the last because it calls for conversion to a rounded wing early version. So like you I plan to hold back on Super detailing. ( Not that I ever go to your lengths). I am looking forward to you paving the way!
RAGIII
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To stop myself getting carried away, I am imposing some constraints on myself:
No Gaspatch guns, no fancy decals, no WNW Hispano engine...
The second bit is obvious, and I usually forget to follow it.
Hmmmm - yeah OK Richard ;D
As you know I've built this model as Luke's aircraft.
I'll be watching just to see how long you resist ;)
Mike
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Go Richard go, looking forward to your progress.
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Richard
I am about to embark on the Revell 1;28 Spad XIII
I built that one when I was about ten or eleven and actually finished it - I was very proud. I tried to build one a few years back - it's one of the projects I have actually binned with pleasure
My next build/s are going to be 3 of these kits at one time.
That's why I couldn't find a kit!
To stop myself getting carried away, I am imposing some constraints on myself:
No Gaspatch guns, no fancy decals, no WNW Hispano engine...
The second bit is obvious, and I usually forget to follow it.
Hmmmm - yeah OK Richard ;D
As you know I've built this model as Luke's aircraft.
I'll be watching just to see how long you resist ;)
Mike
Yes - that's my worry...
Go Richard go, looking forward to your progress.
Thank you
Richard
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My next build/s are going to be 3 of these kits at one time.
That's why I couldn't find a kit!
Richard
Hey, you can't blame Me. I had one for years and just got the other two from an old Friend 8)
RAGIII
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Hey, you can't blame Me. I had one for years and just got the other two from an old Friend 8)
RAGIII
I'm very impressed with what I have seen so far. OK, it's pretty basic and there is stuff missing that WNW would have put in. However what is there is OK, and some of the fit is really good
I tried dry fitting the top covers onto the sides and when clicked into place the joint is near invisible. Very impressive
Richard
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Godspeed on your SPAD S.XIII project!
I heartily endorse your 4-point approach. I just finished off my revised hobby bench and will not go to bed until there's a kit sitting on it, ready to go. I also expect to do a mainly OOB build with very little fuss. The objective is simply to break the log jam and get something done.
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Godspeed on your SPAD S.XIII project!
I heartily endorse your 4-point approach. I just finished off my revised hobby bench and will not go to bed until there's a kit sitting on it, ready to go. I also expect to do a mainly OOB build with very little fuss. The objective is simply to break the log jam and get something done.
Reading around various forums, there's a lot of this about
More power to your elbow Vickers, break open that kit
Richard
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I do have one question already. Are you cutting a stencil/making your own SPAD 67 markings?
RAGIII
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Interesting subject, I don’t see that one build up too often. I keep my fingers crossed that you can stick to your constraints.
Andreas
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You got my support Richard , looking forward to your build :)
Terri
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I do have one question already. Are you cutting a stencil/making your own SPAD 67 markings?
RAGIII
I have some decal paper, and I'll probably use this from Albin Denis' website:
(http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/Insignes/067_Fanion_Cigogne.jpg)
Richard
Interesting subject, I don’t see that one build up too often. I keep my fingers crossed that you can stick to your constraints.
Andreas
That's because Rick has bought them all!
You got my support Richard , looking forward to your build :)
Terri
Thank you Terri
Richard
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A bit of sticking and some colouring in:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0586.JPG)
So far, so good
Richard
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Looking good Richard. I do like the wood effect you have gotten.
sp
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Looking good Richard. I do like the wood effect you have gotten.
sp
Yes - overbrushed acrylic on white primer. Dead easy.
Paint some on then keep brushing it until it goes streaky. Then stop
Richard
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(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0588.JPG)
Cockpit rigging done. Bits of painted copper wire, the turnbuckles are blobs of brass and black coloured paint
Richard
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Excellent start on the interior Richard. Like SP said the wood tones are great and I really like the bracing wires and buckles . Old school stuff like My Turnbuckles ::)
RAGIII
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It seems to m that you are learning with the turnbuckles - simple but effective. Lovely wood work in the interior and the IP looks good too. One question - how much of this detail will be seen? (one of your points above?)
Stephen.
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I really like where you are taking this Richard and also the Unit emblem is a real beauty. I had a chuckle when I read your "Rules of Engagement" on this Build, and I see my inner prediction of your success in keeping it very simple was fairly accurate! I have this Kit ferreted away on the Stash shelf so I'll be following your progress with great interest.
Cheers,
Lance
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It seems to m that you are learning with the turnbuckles - simple but effective. Lovely wood work in the interior and the IP looks good too. One question - how much of this detail will be seen? (one of your points above?)
Stephen.
Ahh, now. If you look at the bracing wires, you'll notice grey brackets at the base (yes, more paint) but none at the top. You can see the bottoms but not the top because of the apron (if that is the right name)
So, yes - I'm checking
Richard
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A group of us get together once a month at a local pub to socialise, laugh and generally set the world to rights. Only we can't do this at the moment, so last night we replaced that with a Zoom pub night
While chatting and drinking I got a bit more done on this, and tonight I closed up the cockpit
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0692.JPG)
That one is a bit out of focus, I can't go back and take it again. Never mind
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0693.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0695.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0696.JPG)
On with the apron and seat
Richard
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Really awesome Richard and something I think I can aspire to on My builds vs Mikes Incredibly detailed version. When all is said and done as always not much will be seen anyway!. Your mods are great, simple and effective!
RAGIII
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Really awesome Richard and something I think I can aspire to on My builds vs Mikes Incredibly detailed version. When all is said and done as always not much will be seen anyway!. Your mods are great, simple and effective!
RAGIII
I love doing that kind of thing, Rick. A bit of wire, a few dabs of paint and your mind fills in the missing details
Richard
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Like Rick said , simple but very effective . Moving along nicely so far Richard , doing very well indeed :)
Terri
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I can feel myself getting obsessed about SPD XIII camouflage, and I'd like to forestall a potential blocking point.
This is a SPAD XIII of Spa 67:
(https://www.traditions-air.fr/images/photos/067g.jpg)
https://www.traditions-air.fr/unit/photo/067.htm (https://www.traditions-air.fr/unit/photo/067.htm)
The wood/metal panels at the front are clearly a different colour/shade to the fuselage side. I can't get that to match the information I have on SPAD camouflage in Datafile 32
Where can I find information on SPAD camouflage schemes?
Thanks advance
Richard
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Hi Richard,
For ten years I skinned many aircraft for the flight simulator 'Wings Over Flanders Fields' by 'OBD'.
One of those aircraft was the SPAD XIII.
The SPAD XIII was built by SPAD, but also built by other companies under license.
These included Bleriot, Bernard, Kellner Levasseur and SAFCA.
Although SPAD issued their particular colour scheme, the other companies put their own spin on it, so each companies SPADs were somewhat different, including the style and fonts used for the serial numbers etc. Also the position and size of roundels could be different.
Looking at the photographs suggest this SPAD was probably built by Bleriot, as the colour scheme appears to match.
PM or email me as I have information and research material I can send you (too much to post here),
Mike
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Thank you Mike, I agree - Bleriot built
And that helps because I can stop fretting about lots of other details based on that piece of knowledge
Mind you, how about rockets...
(https://argonnaute.parisnanterre.fr/medias/customer_3/photos/valois_labex4/BDIC_VAL_411_032.jpg)
https://argonnaute.parisnanterre.fr/medias/customer_3/photos/valois_labex4/BDIC_VAL_411_032.jpg (https://argonnaute.parisnanterre.fr/medias/customer_3/photos/valois_labex4/BDIC_VAL_411_032.jpg)
Richard
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Hi Richard,
Heh he - you're on your own regards rockets!!
That said I don't recall ever seeing shots of rocket fitted SPADS.
That's a good resource site you've found.
Mike
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Hi Richard,
Heh he - you're on your own regards rockets!!
That said I don't recall ever seeing shots of rocket fitted SPADS.
That's a good resource site you've found.
Mike
I'm not even sure what kind of rockets they are!
My instinct is there is going to be some interesting stuff in there
Richard
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Cannot help with either the colour scheme or the rockets but I do really like that cockpit interior - and not too much detail either. Let your eyes do the work!
Stephen.
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I have seen a few SPAD VIIs from the Storks Group armed with rockets but no SPAD XIIIs. I think by 1918 which is the time frame of your SPAD 67 bird they were not very much in use. That being said it is your build 8) By the way the photo you posted is included in the Osprey GC12 book and is confirmed as a Bleriot built bird, Post War/1919.
RAGIII
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I have seen a few SPAD VIIs from the Storks Group armed with rockets but no SPAD XIIIs. I think by 1918 which is the time frame of your SPAD 67 bird they were not very much in use. That being said it is your build 8) By the way the photo you posted is included in the Osprey GC12 book and is confirmed as a Bleriot built bird, Post War/1919.
RAGIII
That is definitely a SPAD XIII with rockets, I found it in this collection: https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=10974.0 (https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=10974.0)
And I'm not planning to fit them to this one
Good to get the Bleriot confirmation, thanks Rick
Richard
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I have seen a few SPAD VIIs from the Storks Group armed with rockets but no SPAD XIIIs. I think by 1918 which is the time frame of your SPAD 67 bird they were not very much in use. That being said it is your build 8) By the way the photo you posted is included in the Osprey GC12 book and is confirmed as a Bleriot built bird, Post War/1919.
RAGIII
That is definitely a SPAD XIII with rockets, I found it in this collection: https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=10974.0 (https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=10974.0)
And I'm not planning to fit them to this one
Good to get the Bleriot confirmation, thanks Rick
Richard
Richard, I think My comment was poorly worded! What I meant was that I didn't think SPA. 67 or any of the Storks were fooling with rockets in the time period. The ones in the photo are of a type I haven't seen. Experimental?
RAGIII
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Richard, I think My comment was poorly worded! What I meant was that I didn't think SPA. 67 or any of the Storks were fooling with rockets in the time period. The ones in the photo are of a type I haven't seen. Experimental?
RAGIII
I don't recognise them either, they look much more deadly than the Le Prieur ones - they always remind me of fireworks
Richard
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Well, this has been hard:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0698.JPG)
I had to resist completely remaking the top of the guns to replicated the Birkigt trigger motors, belt release levers, gun sight and all sorts of other fiddly stuff
I have compromised, these are the Hobbycraft guns with PART Poland etched jackets, a modified Eduard Brassin cocking handles and a scrap of styrene for the belt release levers. I've also held back on the rest of the fairing. There will be a bit of sticky up something to replicate the Birkigt drive system after the fairings are painted
Back to the apron
Richard
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Here's a thing:
(http://data3.primeportal.net/hangar/domeric_barbot/spad_xiii/images/spad_xiii_17_of_18.jpg)
http://data3.primeportal.net/hangar/domeric_barbot/spad_xiii/images/spad_xiii_17_of_18.jpg (http://data3.primeportal.net/hangar/domeric_barbot/spad_xiii/images/spad_xiii_17_of_18.jpg)
From here: http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/domeric_barbot/spad_xiii/
The flying wires are bound to a lath!
Richard
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Yeah, wood filled wires... a real treat to model ::) I hope to come up with a simple solution on mine.
RAGIII
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Yeah, wood filled wires... a real treat to model ::) I hope to come up with a simple solution on mine.
RAGIII
I found a solution - that's the only 'plane I have found so far with them. So I can ignore it!
I did something like them on my DH2:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0150.JPG)
What I did was rig the two wires, tie a knot around them at the ends to pull them together, then painted them
Richard
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Richard
There were some similar bound flying wires on the PS.7 which I ignored.
I have been following your build closely as it is so relevant to mine. I keep telling myself that if Richard can do it in 1:48 I can in 1:28...I keep telling myself. I have been saving all the Spad pictures you have come up with, they are a huge help. Seeing what is what makes detailing much easier.
Those guns look great, I love the cocking handles.
sp
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I have been following your build closely as it is so relevant to mine. I keep telling myself that if Richard can do it in 1:48 I can in 1:28...I keep telling myself.
Oh don't worry - I can't do this in 1:48. This kit is 1:32!
Richard
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Hi all,
I believe the wood inserts were fitted to reduce vibration in the twin wires.
Some other aircraft designs had a bracing strut fitted between the front and rear wires, which effectively did the same thing,
Mike
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Seatbelts!
I don't have any printed or etched ones to hand, to e honest I'm not convinced by the colours of the printed ones anyway. I do have paper glue and paint!
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0701.JPG)
If you do try this, I found I couldn't 'cut' those shapes with a scalpel without cutting through bits I needed. The trick is to just push the tip of the blade through in the corners
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0702.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0703.JPG)
The stitching is drawn on with a pencil
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0704.JPG)
Doesn't bear very close examination, when it is in the cockpit...
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0706.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0707.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0705.JPG)
Those decals are lovely!
Richard
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I found when the lower wing was fitted, there was a step between the tank and the fuselage, the tank sitting too far into the fuselage. I fitted 0.005" strips front and back and it is now much better
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0708.JPG)
Richard
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This bit is an indulgence and doesn't fit my original objectives - so what. My model, my rules
The Hobbycraft radiator blinds are very basic:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0709.JPG)
The Eduard etch for the SPAD VII has a much nicer set:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0710.JPG)
And a radiator:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0711.JPG)
So, out comes the original:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0713.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0714.JPG)
The inside of the cowl had to be filed out a lot to make it the right size for the blinds. That left the question of how to support the radiator and blind
I had a piece of tube, so I turned up this:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0715.JPG)
The radiator sits inside on a step:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0716.JPG)
That's the original gear cover recovered from the original part
The blind sits at the end of the tube:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0717.JPG)
And it fits like this:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0718.JPG)
I'll straighten the blind when I do the final fit after painting
On with the show, the fuselage is stuck together ready for priming
What primer is safe for use with sprayed Humbrol paints? I have Halfords grey primer, the same in white and Tamiya white. Plus some 'Future/Klear/whatever it is this week'
Richard
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Excellent idea on fitting the rad parts . Pit also looks super all button up !
Terri
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Excellent Progress Richard! The radiator and shutters look great 8) I am Not sure I will be doing anything to mine but thanks for the idea!
RAGIII
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Really nice work. Pity WNW didn’t do a SPAD!
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Looking really great!
All these SPAD builds are making me want to dig the old kit outta the stash and join in lol
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Good work, as you say your model your rules. Got to enjoy it and it's going to look great.
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Any thoughts on Humbrol paints and primers? Anyone?
Richard
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Any thoughts on Humbrol paints and primers? Anyone?
Richard
I am attaching the link to the WNW Salmson Directions. The colors should be the same.
RAGIII
http://www.wingnutwings.com/ww/productdetail?productid=3106&cat=4
PS: It looks like you are on your own on several of the colors :-[
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I am attaching the link to the WNW Salmson Directions. The colors should be the same.
RAGIII
http://www.wingnutwings.com/ww/productdetail?productid=3106&cat=4
PS: It looks like you are on your own on several of the colors :-[
OK, I should ask properly formed questions, shouldn't I
I have read on LSP that Humbrol enamels diluted with white spirit can react with some primers. Has anyone got any information on what primers I can use and what I should avoid?
Richard
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Sorry about the misunderstanding. I should have known you had the colors of the Camo under control :-[ As for your real question I have No Idea...Sorry
RAGIII
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Sorry about the misunderstanding. I should have known you had the colors of the Camo under control :-[ As for your real question I have No Idea...Sorry
RAGIII
Oi! I'm responsible for that misunderstanding!!!
Richard
:)
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Sounds like a painting test is warranted.
Generally, you can put enamels on lacquers and acrylics on either one. Make sure all coats of paint are gassed out well (dried) before painting over them. Be very careful putting lacquers on enamels. Some lacquers will 'craze' (wrinkle) a styrene surface.
So, I usually use Tamiya white primer (lacquer) first, then use enamels for color coats, then acrylics for weathering or protective coats for additional enamel coats.
I am not familiar with Hubrol products, so I can't speak to those specifics. I believe most are enamels.
Many times I have to determine what kind of paint I'm dealing with by reading the label (a novel idea). What is recommended for thinning or cleaning up can be a clue: lacquers need 'lacquer thinner', enamels need 'paint thinner' (mineral spirits or white spirit), acrylics need water.
Sorry for the not-so-straight-forward answer and the lesson in paint chemistry (which you probably already knew), but I think a paint test would be the best way to go.
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Thanks Ken, there are enough clues and hints in your post for me to proceed
Richard
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I did my patch test and all is well
I'm priming the SPAD as we speak
Richard
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Good man!
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Good man!
Here you go!
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0723.JPG)
Most of the colours are straight out of the tin. I don't have any dark green, so I let some green down with some brown
I have two light greens. I love that apple green and I'm not going to use it. I shall use the pale green on the right
Richard
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I Like the color choices Richard. Should look great on the SPAD!
RAGIII
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Could I get away with that apple green in the middle?
I also have a nice light grey I am going to use on the underside, when I get around to facing up to my airbrush
Richard
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Could I get away with that apple green in the middle?
I also have a nice light grey I am going to use on the underside, when I get around to facing up to my airbrush
Richard
Not claiming to be an "Expert" but I would say yes ::)
RAGIII
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Could I get away with that apple green in the middle?
I also have a nice light grey I am going to use on the underside, when I get around to facing up to my airbrush
Richard
Not claiming to be an "Expert" but I would say yes ::)
RAGIII
Damn
I was hoping someone would talk me out of it...
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Could I get away with that apple green in the middle?
I also have a nice light grey I am going to use on the underside, when I get around to facing up to my airbrush
Richard
Not claiming to be an "Expert" but I would say yes ::)
RAGIII
Damn
I was hoping someone would talk me out of it...
Erm...Onsecond thought the apple green is WAY OFF ::)
RAGIII
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Erm...Onsecond thought the apple green is WAY OFF ::)
RAGIII
Yeah - but what do you know???
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As a bit of confirmation, I used Tamiya Primer (grey) and Humbrol (and Revell) enamels all the time. I occasionally still do, though for ease of cleanup I tend to use acrylics more now.
Nice work on the SPAD, too! :)
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Love the Apple green ;D
This makes me want to make a 'spring colored' SPAD too!
Kent
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Love the Apple green ;D
This makes me want to make a 'spring colored' SPAD too!
Kent
Oh dear:
(http://data3.primeportal.net/hangar/domeric_barbot/spad_xiii/images/spad_xiii_10_of_18.jpg)
http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/domeric_barbot/spad_xiii/ (http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/domeric_barbot/spad_xiii/)
That Apple green might be right
Richard
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It is a very close match , you could be right .
Terri
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It is a very close match , you could be right .
Terri
Ahh, but is the restoration correct??
And - I can feel myself slipping into a research wormhole. My instinct is the apple green is lovely, and it is too intense a colour
Whatever is going on here:
(https://www.traditions-air.fr/images/photos/067g.jpg)
there is a big contrast between the light and dark green
Richard
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Meanwhile, in the paint shop:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0726.JPG)
The underside is painted (grey is what I have gone for) and the light brown done. And I actually didn't hate using the airbrush!
Learning points so far:
Mixing paint in the cup on the airbrush doesn't work!
Enamels are easier to work with than acrylics - even if it is only cleaning the airbrush afterwards
I'm not clear why the gloss paint has come out matte. I tried dropping the air pressure, which didn't make any difference. Tonight is the light green - whichever I go for
Richard
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Hi Richard
I know of at least 2 reasons gloss paint comes out matt when airbrushing:
1) not thinned enough
2) the painted surface is too far away from the airbrush
In both cases, what happens is the paint dries before hitting the surface to be painted.
I spent over twenty years painting car models, which need a gloss finish, so I am familiar with such problems.
Good luck with the light green painting!
Your SPADs are looking fantastic.
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Looking good Richard. I am awaiting the decision on the green with great anticipation.
RAGIII
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Hi Richard
I know of at least 2 reasons gloss paint comes out matt when airbrushing:
1) not thinned enough
2) the painted surface is too far away from the airbrush
In both cases, what happens is the paint dries before hitting the surface to be painted.
I spent over twenty years painting car models, which need a gloss finish, so I am familiar with such problems.
Good luck with the light green painting!
Your SPADs are looking fantastic.
I have gone for a 1:1 dilution, which seems to be the usual recommendation, so chances are it's the distance. Thank you Ken
Richard
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I'm no car builder, so when I did one it didn't go gloss simply because I put the paint and gloss varnish on too thin...
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Well, I'm still not hating my airbrush, so things are going well!
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0727.JPG)
I went with the apple green, it looks great
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0728.JPG)
Now, this time I got a good wet surface as I sprayed, and the mix is equal parts paint and thinners. The paint has still dried matte
Richard
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I can't explain the matte finish but I do like the colors 8)
RAGIII
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Loving the vibrant green colour. I'm enjoying this build. :)
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Watching this one like a hawk Richard. I am at the point of rounding up and or mixing up paint for a French 5 color camo scheme.
sp
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I really like that green !
Terri
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I really like that green !
Terri
So do I
Mixed dark green:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0733.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0732.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0729.JPG)
Including a couple of cock-ups!
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0731.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0730.JPG)
One I didn't paint enough, the other I didn't mask enough. Both in the light green fortunately
Richard
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Looking awesome even with the slight "Cock Ups" :D I do like the colors!
RAGIII
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I've gorne mad!
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0734.JPG)
and painted the black bits
And I notice I have missed one
Richard
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Excellent! The Tail Plane?
RAGIII
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Excellent! The Tail Plane?
RAGIII
Yes - just painted it
Richard
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If this is madness, I want to catch some. Looking great Richard.
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Those colors do look good, Richard.
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I think that you chose the correct shade for the light green - that is very striking indeed. This is going to be another super model when finished.
Stephen.
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Chocolate brown is done:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0736.JPG)
And I think I understand why the gloss paint is matte. I painted over that dark green triangle, and the new green paint is noticeably more intense and slightly gloss. I haven't been putting on enough paint
Richard
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I'm watching your five colours go on with great interest, Richard! You have some interesting colour shades there... but they look good together! Regards, Marc.
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I'm watching your five colours go on with great interest, Richard! You have some interesting colour shades there... but they look good together! Regards, Marc.
Remember - they may not be accurate, they happened to be what I had
Richard
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This is looking very nice and for me the shades look correct.
Andreas
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Continuing to look great Richard!
RAGIII
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Glad I checked in. Had no idea Hobbycraft made a Spad. That's the origin of the Academy/Italeri Camels and Nieuports right? OK kit - not too fiddly - and not offered by WNW: good recommendations. (I think the supply of WNW is pretty limited right now thanks to too many people having too much time. Unless you've got deep pockets and go to eBay anyway.)
Eric
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The sprues are marked 'Hobbycraft Canada'.
There are two kinds of kits in this stable. This kit, the Nieuports and the highly elusive Clerget and LeRhone camels are all very good kits for their time. Compared to a more modern kit, they lack detail in the cockpit
Then there is the very common 'Academy' camel which has horrible wing and coarse details. The quality suggests that kit is around 20 years older than this SPAD
Richard
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You're two thirds right about the heritage of the Camel, Nieuport and Spad. According to Scalemate the Hobbycraft Camel was new tool in 1990, the Nieuport 17 1992 and the Spad 2002. As far as the Academy Camel goes, it was my first biplane and it looks pretty good from five feet. I exchanged emails about the kit directly with Des - he said it was a decent kit - and I believe a photobuild of Des' version is on the home page here. However, I'm certainly not quibbling with your assessment of the accuracy of the kit. Twelve years is a long time in the modeling world. (Not sure if Hobbycraft still makes kits. However, a 1/48 P-26 is on eBay and that's very tempting.)
Eric
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I had one of the Academy Camel kits, it's one of the few kits I have actually thrown away
Compared to the Hobbycraft one, it is very crude. Anything can be made into a good model with time and effort - that just didn't seem worth the effort
Richard
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It's coming together Richard, the colours look fantastic!
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(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0739.JPG)
This is white primer for the cockades.
I'm undecided on these, I have masked off for the kit decals. However I might spray the cockades and tail stripes instead
Richard
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Nice!
RAGIII
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Lovely kit building up here. That's a tough camo scheme - even worse than WWII RAF patterns which call for masking galore. (I've found Panzer Putty to be useful for really complex stuff.) I do like the color mix - it certainly looks the part. (Wonder how uniform paint colors were from different factories?) This build includes an added bonus - it led me to check out the Smithsonian page and enjoyed their 35 color photos of their Spad XIII "Smith V." (The plan was to use Rickenbacker's plane, but it was destroyed in a fire while on display some years back - luckily they had also obtained the Spad flown by Ray Brooks.) Like all of the Smithsonian builds it's a treat to the eye and shinny as a new silver dollar. Also found out that this kit appears to be the only 1/32 Spad XIII out there. Hope I can stumble into one on eBay.
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More masking, I've decided to spray the cockades
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/1_DSCF0743.JPG)
Richard
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Good choice on painting the roundels. I am looking forward to the results!
RAGIII
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Good choice on painting the roundels. I am looking forward to the results!
RAGIII
What Rick said ....
Terri
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Same as Terri agreed with what Rick said!
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Welcome to the roundel painting party!
I think you're a bit too harsh on the Academy Camel. I gave one some love. Upside down machine guns and all!
(https://i.postimg.cc/pVmJjTgy/IMG-1845.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
;D
Really looking forward to seeing this through. One day I'll build Rickenbacker's SPAD.
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I like your paintwork, Richard!
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Paint adhesion problems!
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0773.JPG)
The underside isn't quite so bad:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0774.JPG)
I shall let the paint harden off, then have a go at patching it up
Richard
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OUCH !
Terri
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Like Terri Said...Ouch! I am sure you will recover the finish you desire...or use it as a weathering process!
RAGIII
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Oh no, how utterly annoying! Peeling off masks is such a tense process. I'm willing to bet on you recovering this though.
Best of luck
Richie
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Oh no, how utterly annoying! Peeling off masks is such a tense process. I'm willing to bet on you recovering this though.
Best of luck
Richie
I sprayed the primer, then each of the other colours one at a time. So in theory, they are all roughly the same thickness
This means there should be a raised bit along the edge of the white to paint up to. So, I'm hoping to repair the damage by hand with a brush
Richard
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Oh no, how utterly annoying! Peeling off masks is such a tense process. I'm willing to bet on you recovering this though.
Best of luck
Richie
I sprayed the primer, then each of the other colours one at a time. So in theory, they are all roughly the same thickness
This means there should be a raised bit along the edge of the white to paint up to. So, I'm hoping to repair the damage by hand with a brush
Richard
I don't know if this is helpful but brush touch up is what I would do 8)
RAGIII
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I don't know if this is helpful but brush touch up is what I would do 8)
RAGIII
Put it this way - I'll be damned if I mask the whole thing up again!!
;D
Richard
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A little delicate brush work and we have:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0780.JPG)
Richard
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Good as new!
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Good as new!
It's a little bit lumpy, otherwise it has gone pretty well. I may try and flat it back at some point
Richard
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Well done Richard, knew you would prevail! :)
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Richard,
She's a real stunner in the works my friend. Keep up the great works!
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Outstanding touch up work Richard!
RAGIII
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Great work on the recovery! Any idea why you get these results?! Are these the primers and colours you normally use?
/Fredrik
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Great work on the recovery! Any idea why you get these results?! Are these the primers and colours you normally use?
/Fredrik
I have no idea, Frederik. I don't usually spray anything as I haven't had good results in the past. Spraying enamels is working much better for me, so I'm on a learning curve
Richard
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Not a lot going on here, I have mounted the radiator, cowl and baffles:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-xiii/DSCF0789.JPG)
Richard
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That looks very clean and tidy Richaed. The camouflage scheme is certainly colourful!
Stephen.
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Excellent work Richard! Your SPAD really has Me wanting to get to the painting phase and is certainly keeping Me Motivated!
RAGIII
PS: What kind of color/Mix did you use for the "Ecru" undersides?
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Nice work, Richard! Love your saw horses.
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Looks very nice Richard! I really like the closed baffles. Sawhorses are a lovely touch! Well done, and keep going. ;D
Best regards,
Bob
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Love it Richard, the the baffles look great. Very realistic front end there. I do like your choice of colours for the camouflage.
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Love the camo ! and the saw horses !
Terri