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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Paper and Card models => Topic started by: NinetythirdLiberator on February 12, 2020, 03:17:14 PM
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All,
A slight detour from building a flying scale model of a 1948 Monocoupe and before I try the Halberstadt...this lovely Nieuport! The renderings on this must be seen to be believed. The same fellow who repainted this model did the Berg scout I completed a while back. Stunning, really. Can't wait to get started, so sharpen your scissors and get ready to fold!
Dan
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Looking forward to your new project Dan,great subject.
Cheers,
Dave.
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Hi Dan!
Great project of a lovely subject.
After news from a Windsock Worldwide, the model had correct different paintings on sides.
Roberto
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Great to see your next project, Dan, and impressive it;s sure to be!
Kevin in Port Orchard
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Cool, looking forward to seeing her come alive.
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As always I am "All In" for watching!
RAGIII
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Okay , I'm sitting comfortable now . You can begin ;)
Really looking forward on seeing this unfold or in this case fold up . I must say those are very well done graphics for the markings , better than decals .
Do they also do the N-24 bis ?
Terri
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Thanks for the overwhelming support, everybody! I hope to not disappoint!
I got the main crank case and the cylinders done. Next will be the cylinder tops, push rods and intake/exhaust parts and the Le Rhone will be complete! Stay tuned...Dan
P.S. If you are so inclined, I'm trying to make a video log of this build to show folks how these models go together. You can see the beginnings here. Note these videos are kind of detailed and long. But if you have time to kill... ;D:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mRM4AX8f3U
Plus...they are SUPER professional!
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Thanks for the links to your videos -- very nice!
Matt77 is a top notch repainter.
Gene K
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Awesome start...Love the progress on the engine!
RAGIII
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Thanks for your enthusiasm, everyone. This is fun.
I finished my engine tonight by adding the tops of the cylinders, the manifolds and the pulled sprue rocker arm rods to the crank case. All in all, it will look swell under the cowling. Pretty neat. More soon!
Dan
P.S. Terri: I don't know if they make a bis model. I'm sure it's out there. There's a paper model Blackburn Kangaroo if you like! You can afford to put out some really neat and esoteric stuff since the downloads are only $6-$7 at a pop and the medium is paper! ;D
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Do they also do the N-24 bis ?
Yes, there are Nieuport 24bis paper models out there, for example this:
(https://papermodel.com.au/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/2/6/260365-001.jpg).
And here's a site with more 24bis models: http://zarkovmodels.com/en/?search=Nieuport+24+bis (http://zarkovmodels.com/en/?search=Nieuport+24+bis)
However, since the 24bis used the same fuselage as the 24, but with the standard Nieuport 17 tail, it would be easy to simply draw/copy the 17 tail. Capt Obvious points out that one of the beautiful things about paper modelling is that with a little graphics manipulation, you can print modifications and schemes to your heart's content ... in any scale ... in any number of copies.
Gene K
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Thanks Dan and Gene for the reply to my question . What type of printer do you guys use ? I'm thinking for picking one up .
Terri
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My favorite printer is an old Dell C1760nw laser that I bought several years ago when they were on sale for $85 (bought three). Unfortunately that printer is not available except for exorbitant prices. I also use Brother HL-3170CDW laser with good results, as well as a Canon MG7520 ink jet, but prefer the laser since the prints are waterproof, and I build to convert paper models to Radio Control. However, inkjet printing is better for card models since folding laser printed paper sometimes results in the toner cracking.
Having said that, I think any name brand inkjet or laser will do well, with the paper being as important as the printer. I'll leave that discussion to Dan. (In general, I use Epson Premium Presentation Paper, 44 pound for 1:33 models).
Gene K
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Thanks for the feedback Gene , I forgot about the paper weight .
Terri
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Hi Terri,
That looks like a really nice kit, by the way. I bet you could even find laser cut parts for it for things like formers and ribs. It does make things particularly exact, precise and takes a lot of the guess work out.
By the way...I think I use 160gm/cm2 paper. I got mine in A4 size from a now defunct stationary place on line. A4 is nice as that's sort of the standard for these models as most are from Poland, Russian, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic etc. The paper is thicker and tougher than typing paper but it is easy to form. I do some sanding of pieces to thin them for especially tight curves or to help hide seams.
Here is the latest. I got all my thicker parts on to 1/32nd balsa and have started the rear fuselage. Looking good so far!
Cheers,
Dan
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All,
Got a bit more done for the new week. I started covering the rear fuselage and then began cutting out and folding the cockpit parts. They need to be done, skinned and then the front and rear parts attached. So far, so good and things to line up pretty well (see the dragon tail and Diana's bow etc.). Not bad at all!
More soon...Dan
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As usual I miss a few days and you are halfway through the build ;D As always all looks fantastic, engine, formers, interior bits and fuselage!
RAGIII
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This is turning out to be a quick one for you , nice progress Dan . I still can't get over those graphics , totally cool :)
Terri
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Thanks, Terri and Rick! This is turning out to be a fun one. So far, no huge issues either (fit-wise!).
So I got the cockpit basically done and started adding the front formers to the rear portion. Next will be skinning the forward sections. The goal will be to get nice, tight seams like the one I'm holding in place with Diana on the side. If they end up looking this good, I'll be a happy camper! ;D
Cheers and more soon...Dan
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All,
Things seemed to work out pretty darn well! Except for some small details like the gun and tail skid etc., the fuselage came together with little drama and all the seams look pretty tight and nice (don't look at the seam under the front between the area where the landing gear will go... ::)) Next up will be the gun but then the last hard part: the cowling! Sends shivers up my spine!! :-\
We'll see how she goes this weekend.
Cheers and thanks for looking!
Dan
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Nice Dan , starting to really come together now and I didn't look at the seam to which you ref too ;)
Terri
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Looks great Dan, best of luck with your cowl.
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Excellent work as always Dan! Lovely scheme and skillfully done!
RAGIII
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Thanks, Juan and Rick! I got the cowl roughed-in and the Vickers completed. Everything looks cool but I do think I want to fill the interior of the cowl with epoxy and then sand and fill the outside to get a smoother finish. This isn't strictly legal in the paper-model world but this guy is turning out so well, I think it needs it! Anyway, I like is so far and with some burnishing, the cowling would be very nice as designed. I'll make my decision after I sleep on it a bit.
Thanks for folding along with me...Dan
P.S. Is it correct to have ammo in the track to the left of the Vickers gun? I just realized that I thought "live" ammo would come in from a container under the gun, get fed through the curved part on the right side and the spent bits would go out to the left. Or is this backwards? Or is it all wrong...just wondering... :-\
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Continuing to look Awsome! As for the ammo, It enters from the right. I think the spent shells ejected through a chute on the bottom and the empty belt fed through the left and onto a drum. Not claiming to be an expert though ::)
RAGIII
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Thanks, Rick...I think the designer got sort of carried away with coolness so the open track, though very well represented, is full of unspent ammo! Oh, well...You can hardly see it once the wings are in place. That long track is just calling out for live ammo! ;)
Dan
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... fill the interior of the cowl with epoxy and then sand and fill the outside to get a smoother finish. This isn't strictly legal in the paper-model world ... .
Will you be entering the model in a Paper Model Competition? If not, do what makes YOU happy.
Most paper modelers I know use wire (gear and strut strength), plastic (windshields), foam (bulkheads) and balsa (bulkheads, struts, etc). Besides, you already used balsa, so the purity/"legality"/whatever has been breached.
I sand my cowls, and as the Reese's commercials say, "Not sorry". ;D
Gene K
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Good point, Gene. I just can't help it. I really do enjoy and am amazed at paper modeling but those darn strips and petal designs just look off on the finished product. I shall continue to fill, sand and repeat 'til my heart's content... 8)
I hope to show off my cowling work soon. I'm on it's 6th primer layer with sanding...
Dan
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You know if you can find paper dust ( from paper shredders ) mix it with white glue and use that as your filler . Since you already need glue and the base of the fill is paper ....only say .... ;)
This is where I would be in the middle of the room jumping up and down ( all giggles of course ) ...going ....I know ! I know ! and then not remember why I was jumping in the first place little alone recall what I was going to say ;)
Terri
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I would be in the middle of the room jumping up and down ( all giggles of course ) ...going ....I know ! I know ! and then not remember why I was jumping in the first place little alone recall what I was going to say ;)
Hey, I resemble that!
Nice idea on the paper filler.
Gene K
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You guys are full of great advice. I really want to see Terri get excited about paper filler. ;D
So here is the cowling after about 9 spray sessions with primer and sanding in between. Starting to NOT look like paper. The key will be to paint it to resemble the rest of the model! ::)
More soon...Dan
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Beautifully impressive cowl!!! I assume you used the epoxy you mentioned to strengthen the inside -- did you have any sand-through of the paper??
Gene K
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Beautifully impressive cowl!!! I assume you used the epoxy you mentioned to strengthen the inside -- did you have any sand-through of the paper??
Gene K
It may have been difficult but your results on the cowling are beautiful!
RAGIII
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Dan,
I should have been paying more attention to YouTube since I subscribed to your channel so I could follow the Nieuport build. I'm way behind viewing, so I'll have to binge watch today .... as soon as I get my popcorn and Coke.
https://tinyurl.com/sc9jsqk
Gene K
Update: Just watched four videos in a row, and must say that you are an eloquent orator ... easy to listen to and to the point!!
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Wow, Dan! That cowling is AWESOME! As is the rest of the model. Outstanding work all 'round!
Cheers,
Bud
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Thanks so much, Bud, Rick and Gene! It means a lot.
Gene: I ended up coating the inside of the cowling with thick super glue and hitting it with some accelerator. Made a nice, stiff backing. Then I sanded the paper edges a bit and then just started adding spray primer over and over again with sanding in between coats. I never did sand through the paper, which kind of surprised me a bit. I do think I put 9 or 10 coats on but now basically all of the paper seams are gone and the dang thing looks like plastic! Now I'll play around with airbrushing the color to make it look close to the rest of the machine.
I'm glad the videos aren't too bad. I think I've lost some of the cowl priming bits but I'm working on the videos for the gun right now. It's fun to do and while tedious, if folks get something out of them, they are worth it! I appreciate the look-see.
More soon...Dan :D
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... just started adding spray primer over and over again with sanding in between coats.
I note that you do RC models as well as paper, plastic, etc ... as I do. You may want to try this "Secret Sauce" as a filler.
https://tinyurl.com/rgovc4s
I use the Sauce when making cowls, spinners, etc, but sometimes reduce it to just a mix of light-weight Spackle and Water Based Polyurethane (MiniWax). May save you a few coats.
Gene K
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That's so cool, Gene. I will try that on my next one. The filling properties look great and I don't even care about weight for these suckers. The Spackle and MinWax combo sounds intriguing. ???
Stay tuned!
Dan
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Super job on the cowl Dan !!! :)
Terri
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All,
Well I'm back from a visit to my 86 year-old mother to see the plane she and my dad owned for 11 years. We found it in a museum in Missouri and it was a blast. For those who may know, it was a 1948 Monocoupe 90AL 115. My dad owned it from 1954 to 1965 and reluctantly sold it when my big sister was born. We had such a great time and my mom loved seeing "her" plane again.
But now it's fun to be working on the ol' Nieuport again. I painted the cowling to make it match a bit more to the fuselage, weathered with some careful airbrushing and then added a tiny syringe for the gun barrel. Next will be the tails and wings. Should go together pretty fast now!
Stay tuned...Dan
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Great to have you back Dan. You have done a Terrific job of getting the cowling to match. No one would know had you not told us it was painted!
RAGIII
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Wow Dan , that turned out super , excellent job on the blending it all together and matt77's painting :)
( Cookie is out of scale though ;) )
Terri
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Terri,
Those darn Canadian cookies. Too tasty. ;D
Rick,
Thanks for your input. I am indeed pleased by that darn cowling. Not only does it look nice on the model, but it doesn't look like a bunch of seams of paper stitched together. Amazing what an be accomplished with primer and sandpaper.
Cheers,
Dan
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Got the tails on! Probably shouldn't have...but I couldn't resist. Wings are next!
Cheers,
Dan
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The Tail feathers look Terrific Dan! Loving this one!
RAGIII
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Excellent job on building the tail Dan , not much more to go now :)
Terri
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Thank you so much Terri and Rick!
I got the top wing done and started on the bottom wings as well. I'll shoot for wing struts etc. tomorrow. Maybe get the wings on before the weekend now that I'm not allowed to go to campus!!
Dan
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Looking forward to how you do the struts and landing gear.
Gene K
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Thanks, Gene. I did have some issues with my camera in the videos so there are no shots showing how I made the cabanes...but there will be shots of making the V-struts and landing gear!
Tonight I got the wings finished and attached. All is straight and looks pretty good. The only issue I had was once it was together, I had a very pronounced dihedral on the lower wing. Upon inspection, I think the cabanes are slightly long so the top wing is too high (not really noticeable) but this gives the lower wing way to much slope. I fixed this by just adding about 1/8" of paper wrapping on the bottom of the V-struts and trying to fill with some Tamyia putty. Once those areas are painted and sanded a bit more, they won't look too bad. Next time, I'll cut down the cabanes, though! ::)
All in all, pretty nice and it's cool to see the whole sesquiplane come together. Really looks like a Nieuport now!
Cheers,
Dan
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Looks Beautiful as a biplane!
RAGIII
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Magnificent, Dan!
Cheers,
Bud
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Those wings turned out fantastic Dan ! She is looking good ;) I also notice that you have re-scaled those Kanadian cookies ...much better !!! ;D
Terri
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Thanks Terri, Bud and Rick! Humbled indeed... 8)
I got the landing gear on...no fuss, no muss. I put a nice piece of piano wire through it so there is a good solid place to add the wheels soon. I think I'll do a bit of detail work tonight and maybe start rigging!
Close now...Dan
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That is an awesome looking Nieuport! Looking forward to the rigging!
RAGIII
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Hi Rick...rigging will be tomorrow. I put some extra details on tonight like the little tubes that come out from the forward fuselage sides...breathers for an engine part? Then the wheels made from balsa with paper hubs. And the control hinges along with horns. I also got the stabilizer struts and the aileron bell crank tubes added just after these shots were taken. All that's left are the aileron bell cranks themselves and the prop. Then a little paint touch up and rigging and she'll be completed! Really a handsome machine. I'd like to build one of these in French colors and one in RFC colors as well. A really well designed and neat fitting kit...
Thanks for looking,
Dan
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Dan,
The cowl is magic as is the entire project.
You do in pulverized lumber what I can barely do in plastic - amazing!
Looking forward to the rigging.
Where can I find you on youtube?
Cheers,
Von B ;)
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Hi Von B!
Coming from an individual like you, I am very pleased and humbled. These are sure fun to build and a nice change. Plus...the "kits" are only about $7 US leaving you with lots for aftermarket! :D And there are so many cool subjects. I wish, for example, WNW would make a Halberstatd D-II but not to worry...I have one in paper! ;D
It's really fun to mix plastic and flying model techniques with these as well. Thanks for the interest.
Here is my YT site but don't expect high-end cinema or editing! You may enjoy some time wasting though.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCS5V65Sz5WoK795FzElUKOA
Cheers and keep providing us with great products and model examples...Dan
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I must say that this Paper Model is looking Much better than Many builds of the Roden Plastic kit I have seen!
RAGIII
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... the little tubes that come out from the forward fuselage sides...breathers for an engine part?
Carburetor intakes.
I'd like to build one of these in French colors and one in RFC colors as well.
Great!!
Gene K
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Thanks, Rick and I appreciate the clearing up of that ducting in the front, Gene. At least I realized it wasn't exhaust like I've heard people say before! ::)
I got the prop made. I only modified it a bit by putting a slim piece of streamlined 1/32nd balsa inside so it wasn't so flat. I also twisted the blades so they look much more helical. I think it passes muster!
Oh! And I got the little aileron bell cranks installed. Unbelievably, they are just two layers of paper and incredibly delicate but they look awesome to me. I thought I was going to need to make them from bendable wire. Not so. Fear the paper! 8)
Now I need to make turnbuckles and basically rig this sucker and with a little touch-up, she'll be done! Can't wait...
Dan
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... that ducting in the front ... At least I realized it wasn't exhaust like I've heard people say before!
Dan,
Not to get too far off topic, but here's a good illustration of the pipe -- it's from Mark Miller's outstanding Nieuport 17 page https://tinyurl.com/r46k42v (https://tinyurl.com/r46k42v) (which may come in handy if you build a N.17). ;)
Gene K
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She is looking super Dan ! ;)
Terri
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Gorgeous! I am looking forward to seeing this one rigged!
RAGIII
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Thanks, Folks...
I started the rigging by making some turnbuckles from heat-pulled plastic Q-tips and making rings from unwound wire. I'm going to experiment with then using some EZ-line with this. It's cheating but really simple and I'm wondering if it will look ok.
So here is the start...More later!
Dan
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Got her rigged! I also added the pilot's step on the left side. It looks pretty slick. Now, I'm kind of bummed I didn't treat the wheel hubs like the cowling so I may try and hide that seam a bit. It's necessary to get the conical shape...but it really stands out now. :(
However, I'm extremely pleased with how it's gone. It's a very handsome machine and only needs a little touch up before being posted in the Completed pile. Stay tuned!
Dan
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Some more shots...
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Got her rigged!
This build is a testament to the great results achievable through paper modeling (and to your craftsmanship, Dan)!!
Nice rigging job. I assume you liked the EasyLine.
Gene K
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Really excellent results Dan! She looks beautiful all rigged up and ready to go!!
RAGIII
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You are the paper master Dan , man she looks sweet and I'm looking forward on those finally touches 8)
Terri
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Got her rigged!
Dan,
I was just reviewing some of my favorite threads, and of course had to come back here. Your rigging is superb!
Gene K
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excellent model!
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Thanks Gene and Ermeio!
I kind of cheated on the rigging as in...I didn't actually tie things off and make real turnbuckles. But is sure does the job and looks neat on the shelf!
Thanks again...Dan