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Title: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: FAf on January 24, 2020, 06:32:02 AM
Hello again!
The very first biplane model I bought was the WnW Sopwith Pup. That was when WnW maintained that they wouldn't release a Camel, so I thought that I would take the Pup instead. The model turned out to be amazing and a bit daunting... so it remained in its box for a long time. Along came my normal WWII models as well as four 1/72 scale Eduard Fokker Dreideckers and then finally Ltn. Wolf's Albatros D.V (which I accidentally might have said was my first multiwing build for 40 years - I forgot about the Fokkers). And now I thought it would be good to practice building and painting a British double decker before going on to the Camel. I especially want to try and get some variation into that PC10!

I'm building a few other kits on the side, so progress isn't fast and I'm not a fast builder generally... so don't hold your breath!
Some pictures...

I tried to add a bit of structure to the stick using thin copper wire. The main problem was that I broke it while threading the wire and had to replace the centre pieces with brass tubing.
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image478.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image479.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image480.jpg)

Things on sticks have been primed and the cockpit has been started on.
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image481.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image482.jpg)

Cockpit installed - almost forgot to add the internal wires and ended up with just glueing them in place. I also didn't realise that you would be able to see so much behind the seat, so I will have to install some sort of blocking sheet there.
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image486.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image487.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image488.jpg)

New gun from Gaspatch. I will probably tone down the aluminium highlights later. I had to do a bit of surgery to make it fit but it's all underneath the gun and invisible once everything is in place.
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image489.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image490.jpg)

A start on the engine parts and the cowling. I tried my hand on that specially treated metal on the cowling, but I think I will redo this for two reasons. 1) The aluminium is too rough and maybe not shiny enough and 2) the chrome dots applied are to uneven both in size and placement.
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image491.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image492.jpg)

I am focussing on two Arma Hobby Hurricanes right now and will return here in a bit.
/Fredrik
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: Gisbod on January 24, 2020, 06:49:38 PM
Great to see you working on a Wingnuts Fredrik! Lovely job so far.

I’ve got an Armor Hobby Hurri in the queue.. they look lovely don’t they?

Guy
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: bobs_buckles on January 24, 2020, 08:20:11 PM
Some lovely work  8)
Looking forward to seeing more.

Cheers,
Bob  :)
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: RAGIII on January 25, 2020, 01:26:44 AM
Outstanding progress. Really coming along quite well!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: RLWP on January 25, 2020, 04:52:56 AM
Good job breaking that stick - the new one looks much better!

Richard
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: Juan on January 25, 2020, 05:07:23 AM
Good job breaking that stick - the new one looks much better!

Richard

Agree with Richard 100%
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: Alexis on January 25, 2020, 11:30:23 AM
Moving right along quite well , really like those metal tones on the vickers . Most excellent !



Terri
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: FAf on January 30, 2020, 03:39:42 AM
Thank you all for your support. I'm not quite ready to move on yet, but it shouldn't be far off.

Great to see you working on a Wingnuts Fredrik! Lovely job so far.

I’ve got an Armor Hobby Hurri in the queue.. they look lovely don’t they?

Guy

Thank you Guy and yes they do look lovely! Will be done soon and should be able to return to the Pup.

Good job breaking that stick - the new one looks much better!

Richard

Agree with Richard 100%

Thanks Richard and Juan! I agree too and sometimes you just have to realise that chance is on your side... Let's see what other unintended improvements I will have to make during the build.  ;)

Moving right along quite well , really like those metal tones on the vickers . Most excellent !

Terri

Thanks Terri. Vallejo metal colours to the rescue. I still think I might tone down the highlights a bit...
/F
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: FAf on February 01, 2020, 06:27:25 AM
So I did put in some work on the Pup even if my Hurricanes aren't done yet. I mentioned before that I was trying to replicate that Sopwith treatment on the metal cowling and that I wasn't too happy about the results. Here's the new effort...

Using my plotter, I made a piece of mask with 0,4 mm holes with 0,6 mm spacing. Usually one curses the machine for pulling small item off the backing paper. This time it left far too many small circles in place. So after having removed enough of them I cut a much smaller piece from it and went to work.
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image518.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image519.jpg)

The metal parts had been repainted with a gloss black and then Alclad airframe aluminium. My idea was to spray chrome through the mask and that way create the Sopwith treatment... Good results for the idea I think!  :)

(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image520.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image521.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image522.jpg)(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image523.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image524.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image525.jpg)

It's difficult to photograph metal colours. I think it looks better in real life. The pictures tend to exaggerate the contrast and make the dots stand out a bit too much. However, maybe I should have had a lighter shade for the aluminium and a darker shade for the dots?! Any thoughts on that?  ???
/F
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: RLWP on February 01, 2020, 09:59:36 AM
The way those 'dots' were created was by taking a piece of coarse abrasive paper, mounting it on a pad in the end of a drill and pushing it against the aluminium. It was all done by hand, and produced a pretty random patterning of overlapping swirls

Yours are far to regular and much too small

Have a look at this:

https://www.brilliantdiy.com/swirl-pattern-aluminium/ (https://www.brilliantdiy.com/swirl-pattern-aluminium/)

Or this:

https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2014/04/15/skills-101-basic-metal-shearing-and-engine-turning/ (https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2014/04/15/skills-101-basic-metal-shearing-and-engine-turning/)

Richard
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: gedmundson on February 01, 2020, 03:01:11 PM
Great technique - thanks for taking the time to post your method!
Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: FAf on February 01, 2020, 10:32:07 PM
Thanks Gary! It hopefully helps someone and maybe someone can take it and improve it.

Richard; I both agree and disagree with you. Based on my source, yes I know it's just the one but at least it is contemporary and of a Pup, the pattern is actually smaller than what I've done and quite regular even if it isn't quite as regular as mine...  See below (Source: Wingnut Wings, Sopwith Pup RFC, p. 12 and I do apologise for the fact that my FAf (C) is on it, it is absolutely NOT my copyright).

(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image526.jpg)

In my view, building models is about creating a convincing likeness of the original. Sometimes this calls for the builder to do things in a way that can't be found on the original, e.g. highlights, using several shades of the same colour to break up large areas, etc. I'm happy in many ways with my representation of the above. When I look at it in reality and at a greater distance than the extreme close-up photos show, then it looks really good. But I am still wondering if it could be worth my time and effort to redo it anyway?!

I'm thinking that I could try and make even smaller circles. I think it'll have to be circles even if the original marks aren't circular. Put it down to the limitations of the machine. I'm also wondering whether I should try with other colours. Two options come to mind here - 1) dark aluminium and lighter dots but less contrast than now or 2) switch it around and have a lighter cowling and lighter dots. 

The second approach is contrary to the above image, but the result could be better and therefore "correct" according to the idea of creating something that looks right when finished, rather than something that is done the right way but looks wrong.

I'll probably do some tests off subject and then decide on whether I should strip it back and redo it.

Comments and suggestions more than welcome!
/Fredrik
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: RAGIII on February 02, 2020, 01:33:44 AM
I like your results. A very good technique to replicate, not duplicate, the pattern.
RAGIII
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: RLWP on February 02, 2020, 02:25:36 AM
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image526.jpg)

I was trying to find a good example. Notice the overlapping 'scales' on the left hand panel in slightly uneven lines. The cowl is very uneven because it is really hard to keep regular patterns working by hand on a curved surface.

(http://www.galleyrack.com/images/artifice/machine-shop/surface-finishing/engine-turning-vs-spotting/3a23920u.png)

Richard
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: RLWP on February 02, 2020, 02:29:16 AM
This was my attempt at this  - it's tricky to replicate:

(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/n500/cockpit-1.JPG)

Richard
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: Alexis on February 02, 2020, 11:56:34 AM
Now that was a excellent idea !



Terri
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: Gisbod on February 02, 2020, 05:47:38 PM
I think it’s a good effort Fredrik  ; D

I like your lateral thinking! I tend to think of ways around things like yours lying in bed trying to sleep!

Guy
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: Gisbod on February 02, 2020, 05:49:11 PM
Ps

I’m surprised there aren’t turned metal cowl replacements on the market these days. We have wooden props.

Guy
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: FAf on February 02, 2020, 09:11:37 PM
This was my attempt at this  - it's tricky to replicate:

(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/n500/cockpit-1.JPG)

Richard

Nice effort though and tricky just means it's more fun to overcome! 😀
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: FAf on February 02, 2020, 09:18:10 PM
I like your results. A very good technique to replicate, not duplicate, the pattern.
RAGIII

I had to look up the definitions for 'replicate' and 'duplicate', so now I've increased my English vocabulary! 👍 Replicate seems to sum up the idea very well!

So based on your comments it seems as if the idea is good. Thanks for the feedback! I'll make some tests with different colours and take it from there.

Take care!
/Fredrik
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: RLWP on February 02, 2020, 09:42:56 PM
Nice effort though and tricky just means it's more fun to overcome! 😀

I'm all for finding simple ways to replicate this tricky finish. I wanted to be sure you understood what it is you are replicating, which is a hand finished mechanical method. Finding a good period photo isn't easy

It is the kind of challenge I like too

Richard
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: FAf on February 09, 2020, 12:22:50 AM
New efforts have been made at replicating that illusive pattern...

I believe it too be much better and I have already stripped the Pup of its colour. The question now is if I should go for the aluminum look with a very faint but still visible pattern or for a dark aluminium look with a more obvious pattern. The jury is still undecided on that...

This was the first try, which you've already seen.
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image524.jpg)

This is the aluminium look, where the lighter chrome dots are there but not in a very obvious way. From a distance you catch that there is something going on, but you have to be fairly close in order to see the dots. When looking at it with light coming in at certain angles the dots are hardly visible.
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image532.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image533.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image534.jpg)

This is the dark aluminium look. The chrome dots are clearly more apparent, even from a distance, but not as apparent as on the first try. The dots are always visible, but they do change their appearance slightly with light coming in at different angles.
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image535.jpg)(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image536.jpg)(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image537.jpg)

It is difficult to catch this with the camera so that it looks like it does to the naked eye. But if anyone has any thoughts on this feel free to voice them. I'm leaning towards the lighter version myself.
/Fredrik
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: kensar on February 09, 2020, 12:32:24 AM
From the options you are showing, I think the lighter aluminum color looks best.
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: gedmundson on February 09, 2020, 12:33:38 AM
I'm with you on the lighter version, Fredrik.

Like Guy, I too lay trying to sleep whilst trying to come up with how to solve modelling steps  8)

Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: RLWP on February 09, 2020, 12:33:48 AM
From the options you are showing, I think the lighter aluminum color looks best.

I agree

Richard
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: Gene K on February 09, 2020, 01:07:01 AM
Good reference shots in this thread -- http://tinyurl.com/tvqplaw , for example:

(http://www.britmodeller.com/walkarounds/aircraft/sopwith%20pup/jd/p02.JPG) .

Gene K


Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: RAGIII on February 09, 2020, 07:50:42 AM
From the options you are showing, I think the lighter aluminum color looks best.

I agree

Richard

Same here although all are better than I will do  ;D
RAGIII
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: Gisbod on February 09, 2020, 03:57:13 PM
That does look a lot more subtle Fredrik..

Very nice, I’d be pleased with that.

Guy
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: Gene K on February 09, 2020, 10:54:14 PM
(http://www.britmodeller.com/walkarounds/aircraft/sopwith%20pup/jd/p06.JPG)

Interesting variety of swirl patterns.

Gene K
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: FAf on February 10, 2020, 12:04:20 AM
Thanks for all of your input! Great pics in that link Gene!

I have, however, made a horrible discovery! 😨
My planned scheme doesn't have bare metal cowlings. They should be painted Battleship Grey... Stupid mistake! But on the other hand I don't have to think about this as I go to sleep in the future. Yes Guy and Gary, I too use the time going to sleep to figure out possible solutions to modelling problems.

I wanted to be sure you understood what it is you are replicating, which is a hand finished mechanical method. Finding a good period photo isn't easy
Richard

Richard! The pictures in Gene's link show better what you were referring to about size. I still think my method could be a good way to replicate the pattern, but there's definitely room for improvement as well as other methods.
/Fredrik

PS
If anyone has a suggestion for a Pup-scheme with metal cowlings, I'd be very interested in hearing about that.

Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: RLWP on February 10, 2020, 01:44:31 AM
If anyone has a suggestion for a Pup-scheme with metal cowlings, I'd be very interested in hearing about that.

I was very glad my chosen Pup had a black painted cowl  ;D

Richard
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: Alexis on February 10, 2020, 08:56:02 AM
What about one of the training unit schemes ? with colourful and cowls painted  ;) I have Flashbacks kit in the stash and I will be going for one of those options .  :)



Terri
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: kensar on February 10, 2020, 10:53:06 PM
Or maybe an 'as produced' version from the factory with no unit markings.
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: FAf on April 04, 2020, 02:53:12 AM
Hi again... I've been watching quietly for a while, but thanks for the kind suggestions on the metal cowlings. I found a profile of a Pup called "Bobs" and made masks for that... then I realised it was a RNAS version with a different engine and in the end I wen't back to my original choice even though it has battleship grey cowlings rather than turned metal.

Some progress lately... I painted the PC10 using Mr Paints version. It's very thin and very brown until you've built up quite a few layers. This means that it turned out quite dark before I was happy with the colour... I'll see if I can lighten it with some oil paints later. I haven't developed a 'way' of doing ribs yet. This time I ended up masking them and then spraying thin Tamiya X19 Smoke on either side.
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image543.jpg)

Obviously the smoke approach tends to show up a lot more on a lighter surface and maybe I went a little overboard on the undersides?! If you think you see a big blob on the upperwing, then you do but it's my camera having a flaw.
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image544.jpg)

Masks were cut for the roundels and the SO insignia, nothing too difficult.
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image545.jpg)

The roundels were then masked again to highlight the ribs using Tamiya Smoke again... really carefully this time to achieve just a subtle effect.
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image547.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image548.jpg)

A question... WNW say that the under carriage should be black and then the colour profile shows them to be PC10. Does anyone have an idea about which is correct?

Take care! /Fredrik


Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: RichieW on April 04, 2020, 04:25:19 AM
This is looking superb, the masks worked a treat. The underside ribs look great to me.
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: RAGIII on April 04, 2020, 04:27:04 AM
Awesome work! I think the rib shading looks perfect on the undersides. As for the masks and painting...I am glad you find it easy  ;D The results are Terrific!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: Alexis on April 04, 2020, 11:45:45 AM
Hi Fredrik ,

Your Pup is looking excellent , nice job on the shading the underside . The Tamiya smoke will show more once a flat coat is applied or even semi-gloss .  ;)

Sorry , but I don't have answer to your strut information . I know very little about this type , but it could be a typo in the color paint chart ? They have made this error before in their kits , so the profile could be correct .



Terri
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: RAGIII on April 04, 2020, 11:19:17 PM
Hi Fredrik ,

Your Pup is looking excellent , nice job on the shading the underside . The Tamiya smoke will show more once a flat coat is applied or even semi-gloss .  ;)

Sorry , but I don't have answer to your strut information . I know very little about this type , but it could be a typo in the color paint chart ? They have made this error before in their kits , so the profile could be correct .



Terri

Looking at the Camel Directions they give the gear struts as either black or PC10. I guess it is not that easy to tell the difference from most photos?
RAGIII
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: Borsos on April 05, 2020, 02:16:20 AM
Hello Fredrik,
great to see someone on the same way like oneself, but a lot further on this way. I like your progress, especially the painted on markings. Regarding the fuselage color question I only can say that I saw many planes with PC-10 colored fuselage struts (RE-8s, B.E.s, ...) but I can’t remember having seen a fuselage with black struts on a British plane. So I would go with PC-10, but that doesn’t mean that black isn’t possible as well.
Andreas
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: FAf on April 06, 2020, 03:41:57 PM
Thanks for your input, Richie, Rick, Terri and Andreas!
Typos are of course a possibility, as are conclusions drawn from restorations and replica builds... and if Andreas is suggesting PC10, then I might go with that. It feels likelier.
/Fredrik

Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: Borsos on April 06, 2020, 06:28:29 PM
Thanks for your input, Richie, Rick, Terri and Andreas!
Typos are of course a possibility, as are conclusions drawn from restorations and replica builds... and if Andreas is suggesting PC10, then I might go with that. It feels likelier.
/Fredrik

Hello Fredrik,
I’d like to / i have to correct myself. The same color callout appears also in the instruction booklet of the old RNAS boxing of the Pup. So I went through my references, mainly the WDFs, and on some photos it seems as if the color of the undercarriage legs is actually darker than the PC-10 on the fuselage. And it wouldn’t be without a certain logic: The metall fairings on the wooden structure are all painted black and as the untercarriage legs are metal, so they could have been painted black as well.  :-\
Andreas
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: RichieW on April 07, 2020, 04:22:23 AM
Hope this pic might help, it is the Pup from the Shuttleworth collection with black gear struts.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49735298511_37d30cc143_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iLWpuK)20200229_110811 (https://flic.kr/p/2iLWpuK) by Richard Williams (https://www.flickr.com/photos/187004837@N07/), on Flickr

Richie
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: FAf on April 07, 2020, 05:36:21 AM
So it's either way and I get to choose... I might go for black then. It would give a bit of contrast.

Thank you so much for your input Andreas and Richie!
/Fredrik
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: Bughunter on April 07, 2020, 05:52:13 AM
Fredrik, you build here a lovely Pup! Great paint work, and you make a good use of your cutting machine!

One word for the gear: The struts were metal, so black. But the lower board, below the half axles pipes, was wood again.

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: FAf on April 07, 2020, 06:03:33 PM
Thanks Frank!
So not so much of a choice for me then - black it is!
I'm doing a lot of small work on the Pup right now and fighting an urge to start an Airfix 1/72 Tiger Moth... hopefully there will be progress to show in a bit.
/F
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: FAf on April 21, 2020, 04:54:40 AM
Small steps, but important steps...

16 decals added and clear coats applied both before and after. Next would be some oils and general weathering and then I need to look at the rigging - maybe place an order with von Buckles. Oh, and inspired by Rick (RAGIII) I painted my first figure to go with the completed model... I quite pleased with the outcome, especially when you don't look at him in macro mode. /F

(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image569.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image570.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image572.jpg)

(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/RFC%20Mechanic/image573.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Copper%20State%20Models/RFC%20Mechanic/image574.jpg)


Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: RichieW on April 21, 2020, 05:41:35 AM
Looking great, you got the decals down really well, the figure has come out really well too.
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: smperry on April 21, 2020, 05:55:07 AM
Looking good! You are doing the same markings as the Pup I have under construction.
sp
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: RAGIII on April 21, 2020, 06:31:15 AM
The decaling on the Pup is superb! Really looking Terrific. If this is your first figure it won't be long before you are a Master! I know what you mean about the Macro  8)
RAGIII
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: Gisbod on April 21, 2020, 03:16:24 PM
Wonderful Fredrik!

The figure is A1 as well.

Guy
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: Borsos on April 21, 2020, 04:27:45 PM
Great progress! And the figures looks amazing.
Andreas
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: Alexis on April 22, 2020, 10:26:29 AM
For your first figure , man that tuned out super ! Far better than what I could ever do . Pup is coming along most excellent as well .


Terri
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: B Sharp on April 22, 2020, 07:13:52 PM
Looking great. Guessing I will have to wait a while to see it live.

Bjarne
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: FAf on April 22, 2020, 10:17:33 PM
Thank you all for your support!

Regarding the decals and their smoothness... remember that the only decals applied are the manufacturers logo on the struts and propeller and four "lift here" decals on the fuselage... the others are painted and very smooth!  :P

I'm happy with the figure. Followed a tutorial on YouTube and adapted the suggested approach a little. One thing I found interesting in most of the tutorials I watched, was the lack of colour correctness displayed. Most of the artists simply started out with a base and then blended colours until it looked ok... Makes sense though, I believe.

Bjarne: I'm afraid so! I hope you are well in your isolation!

/Fredrik
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: lone modeller on April 23, 2020, 02:42:58 AM
I have been catching up with this build - most impressive. I too am a fan of painting markings where possible - yours are truly superb. The figure is also very realistic.

Stephen.
Title: Re: WnW Sopwith Pup
Post by: FAf on May 18, 2020, 01:39:10 AM
Thanks Stephen!

The build slowed down a bit over my decision on "turnbuckles"... in the end I decided to stick with my tested monofilament and Bob's Buckles. This will, after all, only be my third model using this method and I didn't quite feel like trying something new this time. I am now waiting for the new micro tubes from Bob to arrive and in the meantime I've drilled the anchor points and made lots of eyelets. And today I installed some of the eyelets and then I put the landing gear together - almost...

(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image618.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image619.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image620.jpg)

/Fredrik
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Post by: B Sharp on May 18, 2020, 02:15:36 AM
Nice progress, Fredrik

Bjarne
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Post by: RAGIII on May 18, 2020, 07:27:36 AM
Looks outstanding Fredrik! I hope those Buckles arrive as quickly as My masks did from Bob, and You!
RAGIII
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Post by: GazzaS on May 19, 2020, 07:12:09 PM
Very nice!
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Post by: RichieW on May 20, 2020, 05:12:16 AM
Great stuff Fredrik, it's only a small detail I know but I love the wire and turnbuckle you added to the undercarriage.
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Post by: Alexis on May 20, 2020, 10:10:37 AM
Very nice indeed !  8)

Terri
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Post by: lone modeller on May 21, 2020, 03:51:44 AM
Super detail on the undercarriage.

Stephen.
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Post by: FAf on May 22, 2020, 05:25:09 AM
Thanks Bjarne, Rick, GazzaS, Richie, Terri and Stephen! Your support is very much appreciated!

You might have seen that I didn't use any micro tubing with that turnbuckle on the undercarriage. I didn't really want anythin like that there, even though I've been shopping at Bob's Buckles superstore, so I simply twisted the monofilament and added some super glue. Looks good I think.

Rigging is on its way + some small additions like the machine gun... first a hole lot of eyelets were installed, but only at one end of each wire this time. I thought I'd try and do without the eyelets on the bottom wing. I know that they won't be very visible in the end, but I thought that just a piece of Bob's micro tubing would look more like a terminal that an eyelet and a piece of tubing. Maybe it wont make any difference at all?!
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image621.jpg)

This means however that there are a lot of lines glued straight into the different attachement points in different places. So it's a hairy Pup right now...
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image622.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image628.jpg)

Some places needed specially made terminals. This is for the wires going from the underside of the tailplane to the very end of the fuselage. I simply used a flatnosed plier to crimp the middle section of a piece of 0,5mm tubing and then glued it to the underside.
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image623.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image624.jpg)

The same method was used for the attachement point on top of the fin. Only here I used a ruler to push down on the piece of tubing, as I needed a narrower centre section. It was then drilled through and attached on that piece of copperwire you can see.
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image625.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image626.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image627.jpg)

Last thing  for today was to arm the aircraft. First some ammunition for the machine gun and then attaching the gun to the aircraft.
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image629.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image630.jpg)

Tomorrow I will start with the cross bracing wires. I had to paint up some more monofilament first. It's drying now.
Take care!
/Fredrik
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Post by: Bughunter on May 22, 2020, 05:38:26 AM
Nice work, so this will end up as a great looking Pup!
On your good macro pictures the WNW model shows nice details, very impressive! I can only dream of those in 1/48.

Cheers,
Frank
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Post by: RAGIII on May 22, 2020, 08:32:37 AM
I don't know where to start so I will just give this an Overall Incredible Detailing!
RAGIII
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Post by: Alexis on May 22, 2020, 10:05:39 AM
Neat solution for the tail rigging and beautiful job on the Vickers ! :)


Terri
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Post by: RichieW on May 22, 2020, 05:31:09 PM
Great work Fredrik,your rigging ideas look pretty perfect. The precision painting of the brass on the Vickers is amazing, love the ammo belt too. 
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Post by: GazzaS on May 23, 2020, 08:35:38 PM
That looks very nice!
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Post by: rhallinger on May 23, 2020, 08:49:17 PM
This is progressing very nicely Fredrik.  A splendid Pup is emerging!  Very well done.

Best regards,

Bob
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Post by: FAf on May 24, 2020, 06:28:18 AM
Thank you everyone, for your continued support! Very much appreciated!

Long weekend here in Sweden and even though we aren't in lockdown we're supposed to stay socially distant which leaves a lot of time to model... and there was rain and clouds today...

Rigging is on the home stretch now... here are some pictures. New camera setting as I thought previous pictures a bit dark.

All rigging lines prepared. You really got to keep track of loose ends here.
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image631.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image632.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image633.jpg)

Attaching the upper wing was a lot easier on this model than on my WnW Albatros D.V! And it's beginning to look good!
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image634.jpg)

And then I spent hours finalising the rigging. A few mishaps on the way, but all managable in the end. I will have to go back and touch up the paint on the wires, but that's probably not visible here, and I will paint the micro tubes aluminium later on.
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image635.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image636.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image637.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image638.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image639.jpg)

Tomorrow it might get onto its legs...
Take care! /Fredrik
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Post by: RAGIII on May 24, 2020, 11:48:49 AM
Amazing work on the rigging and anchor points! Looks Superb!
RAGIII
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Post by: FAf on May 29, 2020, 06:01:54 AM
Well, she's finished! A pleasant build and isn't it fantastic how a simple green box of an aircraft can be really beautiful!? I am actually really happy about how this turned out! More pictures will eventually show up in the completed section.

Thanks for the support along the way and thanks for looking!
/Fredrik

(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image640.jpg)
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(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image642.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Sopwith%20Pup/image643.jpg)
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Post by: RAGIII on May 29, 2020, 06:22:13 AM
Gorgeous Results in all ways!
RAGIII
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Post by: RichieW on May 29, 2020, 06:22:37 AM
Beautiful work Fredrik, it's been a real pleasure to follow this build.
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Post by: Gisbod on May 29, 2020, 06:45:26 AM
Love it Fredrik!

And every little detail... superb. I particularly like the oil staining on the firewall.

Guy
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Post by: GazzaS on May 29, 2020, 09:47:34 PM
Beautifully done, Fredrik!