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Title: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on January 10, 2020, 07:23:40 AM
So I have decided to come back to an OT build  ;D I am departing from My NORM in using a pilot figure in the cockpit. My intention is to do Henry Wooletts' Camel and paint the Helmet and Gloves in Leopard Skin. Not really a departure but I ask one thing, If you see something you think I can do better within MY SKILL set feel free to say so! Please.

RAGIII


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I have made a SMALL beginning in assembling the pilot and giving the fuselage interior a base of Beige/CDL.


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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: FAf on January 10, 2020, 07:36:31 AM
I will follow with interest and comment if there is anything. Probably mostly follow with interest and cheers, though. 😊
/Fredrik
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: lcarroll on January 10, 2020, 07:48:00 AM
Rick,
    I admire your spunk in tackling a figure, a "black art" that scares the heck out of this model builder! Great topic and a wonderful Kit, it'll be fun to follow along.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Robin on January 10, 2020, 08:10:21 AM
Rick seen the light again! Woot!  :)

Robin
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Juan on January 10, 2020, 08:20:47 AM
Outstanding Rick, looking forward to your progress.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: bobs_buckles on January 10, 2020, 08:32:14 AM
Popcorn and cat suit at the ready  ::) :D

Good luck!

von B
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on January 10, 2020, 08:39:55 AM
Popcorn and cat suit at the ready  ::) :D

Good luck!

von B

 ;D
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on January 10, 2020, 08:43:30 AM
I will follow with interest and comment if there is anything. Probably mostly follow with interest and cheers, though. 😊
/Fredrik

Thanks Fredrik!
RAGIII




Rick seen the light again! Woot!  :)

Robin

Thanks Robin
RAGIII


Outstanding Rick, looking forward to your progress.

Thanks Juan!
RAGIII
Rick,
    I admire your spunk in tackling a figure, a "black art" that scares the heck out of this model builder! Great topic and a wonderful Kit, it'll be fun to follow along.
Cheers,
Lance

Lance, If ever there was a figure for a "First" this one is it. Goggles and scarf cover 90% of the face, the hardest point in any figure  8)
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RLWP on January 10, 2020, 09:08:16 AM
A bit of a departure from your last build. You do know this one has rigging...
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Dave W on January 10, 2020, 10:52:43 AM
The Copper State Models pilot figures are outstanding and the seated RFC pilot also sits nicely in a Hobbycraft Camel too!

cheers

Dave W
Gold Coast
Australia
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Borsos on January 10, 2020, 05:41:36 PM
Great to see you back on a WWI model, Rick. I am keen on following your build. I also have the fantastic CSM pilot figure ready for taking a seat in a Sopwith Camel, so I am even more keen on seing your results doint the same.
Andreas
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on January 11, 2020, 01:50:22 AM
A bit of a departure from your last build. You do know this one has rigging...

Funny you should mention the rigging. I actually decided on this one because of your comment in your Pup build reference things that put you off of a Model ending up not being that bad  8)
RAGIII

The Copper State Models pilot figures are outstanding and the seated RFC pilot also sits nicely in a Hobbycraft Camel too!

cheers

Dave W
Gold Coast
Australia

Thanks Dave. I have done a bit of test seating and it seems the fit will be great as you say!
RAGIII

Great to see you back on a WWI model, Rick. I am keen on following your build. I also have the fantastic CSM pilot figure ready for taking a seat in a Sopwith Camel, so I am even more keen on seing your results doint the same.
Andreas

Thanks Andreas. I hope I do him justice  ;D
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: andonio64 on January 11, 2020, 02:22:09 AM
Can't miss this!

;-)
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Monty on January 11, 2020, 02:48:00 AM
I'm sure this will be wonderful! Waiting in antici.....pation! Regards, Marc.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RLWP on January 11, 2020, 04:35:36 AM

Funny you should mention the rigging. I actually decided on this one because of your comment in your Pup build reference things that put you off of a Model ending up not being that bad  8)
RAGIII

Hmmm, I went from a DH.2 with a ridiculous amount of rigging to a Pup. You, on the other hand...

 8)

Richard
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Alexis on January 12, 2020, 12:20:41 AM
Really looking forward on seeing this one unfold and come together Rick . Nice to see you doing another figure . I still got the one from you many years ago and still chicken to give it a go .  :-X



Terri
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: dr 1 ace on January 12, 2020, 04:05:00 AM
Back to "real" modeling !!

Ed
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Bughunter on January 12, 2020, 05:53:47 AM
Rick, very nice to see you back to the biplanes! Thumbs up!
Don't rush and enjoy it.

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: lone modeller on January 12, 2020, 08:55:42 AM
Good to see that you are back on real aeroplanes again Rick. I would suggest that a pusher would be well within your skill set and that you would make a first class job of it.

I still think that you will make an excellent model and pilot from this combination - so I will be following along if you do not mind too much!

Stephen.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: gbrivio on January 12, 2020, 07:18:52 PM
Promising build, will follow with interest.
Ciao
Giuseppe
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on January 13, 2020, 01:15:03 AM
Thanks to all for the encouragement! I am planning a slow build  8)
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: WD on January 13, 2020, 02:32:44 AM
Rick you'll do wonderfully sir.

WD
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on January 13, 2020, 02:59:26 AM
Rick you'll do wonderfully sir.

WD

Thanks!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on January 13, 2020, 06:55:50 AM
So just for fun a Minor  update. Figure primed and flesh painted. Might need to add a couple of highlights. Hard to get a proper photo.

RAGIII


(https://i.postimg.cc/wB8Y4pZq/82602477-3298689830158066-7281639097817366528-o-1.jpg)
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Alexis on January 13, 2020, 10:22:21 AM
Nice start on the figure Rick , not much of the face to paint with all his flying gear on .


Terri
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Radarman on January 13, 2020, 12:49:07 PM
RAGIII,

I think I saw this guy skiing up in Whistler, BC. not too long ago.
                                                                     Kevin
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on January 13, 2020, 11:55:04 PM
Nice start on the figure Rick , not much of the face to paint with all his flying gear on .


Terri

Thanks T! The lack of flesh area to paint on the face is why I said to Lance that this is a great Beginners figure  ::)
RAGIII

RAGIII,

I think I saw this guy skiing up in Whistler, BC. not too long ago.
                                                                     Kevin

 ;D
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on January 14, 2020, 06:45:01 AM
Another Minor update. I have started painting the wood effect interior with oils and also have begun the base for the Leopard Skin Helmet and Gloves:
RAGIII


(https://i.postimg.cc/1tZn5jtm/82078617-3301208149906234-5192714275176579072-o.jpg)



(https://i.postimg.cc/XXMT95P3/82551261-3301126646581051-608421609702686720-n.jpg)


(https://i.postimg.cc/9XvMLn5X/83042051-3301126443247738-1834020566617554944-n.jpg)
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: bobs_buckles on January 14, 2020, 07:34:32 AM
I like the wood, Rick  :o Warm and inviting.
 :) :)

von B 
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on January 14, 2020, 08:14:31 AM
I like the wood, Rick  :o Warm and inviting.
 :) :)

von B

Thanks von B!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Robin on January 14, 2020, 08:30:44 AM
"Slow build" he said. :o

Superb start Rick. :)

Robin
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on January 14, 2020, 08:56:32 AM
"Slow build" he said. :o

Superb start Rick. :)

Robin

This is the Easy Part Robin  :o I am sure it will slow down soon. Thanks for the comment!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Alexis on January 14, 2020, 10:24:09 AM
Beautiful wood tones Rick  :)


Terri
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Dave Brewer on January 14, 2020, 11:59:57 AM
Could you tell us what medium you are working in on the figure Rick?

Dave.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on January 14, 2020, 11:44:44 PM
Beautiful wood tones Rick  :)


Terri

Thanks Terri!
RAGIII

Could you tell us what medium you are working in on the figure Rick?

Dave.


The white is acrylic. I painted the face with Valejo( a first for Me), and the gloves are Oils.
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: jeroen_R90S on January 15, 2020, 07:42:05 PM
Very nice so far! I'm absolutely horrible at painting figures, but my wife gave me the Collishaw Sopwith Triplane for my last birthday because she thought it a neat little aeroplane (hey, it's got 3 wings!) and because it came with a figure. Guess there's no escape now painting up the Collishaw figure when I start the Tripe...
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on January 16, 2020, 12:32:54 AM
Very nice so far! I'm absolutely horrible at painting figures, but my wife gave me the Collishaw Sopwith Triplane for my last birthday because she thought it a neat little aeroplane (hey, it's got 3 wings!) and because it came with a figure. Guess there's no escape now painting up the Collishaw figure when I start the Tripe...


Thanks for your comment! As for figures I am far from good but I do try  ::) I am sure you will come up with an acceptable Collishaw!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Borsos on January 17, 2020, 01:46:57 AM
Great start so far! The wood looks very nice.
Andreas
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on January 17, 2020, 02:06:49 AM
Great start so far! The wood looks very nice.
Andreas

Thanks Andreas, Greatly appreciated!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: kensar on January 17, 2020, 05:09:04 AM
I've been out of town for a few days, so I'm just now seeing this.  You're back in the saddle and already a good start!
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on January 17, 2020, 07:30:59 AM
I've been out of town for a few days, so I'm just now seeing this.  You're back in the saddle and already a good start!

Thanks Richard. I am progressing on the figure. Still lots to do like paint the sidcot suit and a lot of Fixing Needed  ;D
RAGIII


(https://i.postimg.cc/pdR9wW2W/82335351-3308013742559008-605294843446427648-n-1.jpg)


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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Alexis on January 17, 2020, 11:40:54 AM
Wow Rick , really like the gloves and helmet and made a start on the boots . Looking good  8)



Terri
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Bughunter on January 17, 2020, 07:17:35 PM
Rick, I really like the sculpting and your painting of that figure!
It telling a small story already.

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on January 20, 2020, 05:19:55 AM
Wow Rick , really like the gloves and helmet and made a start on the boots . Looking good  8)



Terri

Thanks Terri! As you will see I have made some changes  :o
RAGIII


Rick, I really like the sculpting and your painting of that figure!
It telling a small story already.

Cheers,
Frank

Thanks Frank! I did a bit of work on the wood effect by over spraying with a mix of Tamiya Clear Orange and Clear Yellow. As for the figure I got as far as painting the Sidcot suit and decided I could do BETTER!  So I have stripped the figure and will re paint soon  :-[
RAGIII


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Sidcot after painting. I did NOT like the results. My Philosophy for My Models now is DO NOT Accept things that I know I can do BETTER!

(https://i.postimg.cc/YSvg55yh/83001539-3314220561938326-4024468696624791552-n.jpg)
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: lone modeller on January 20, 2020, 05:29:22 AM
The interior of the Camel looks very good Rick. I have to write that your figure already looks better than anything that I would have painted....!

Stephen.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on January 20, 2020, 06:47:53 AM
The interior of the Camel looks very good Rick. I have to write that your figure already looks better than anything that I would have painted....!

Stephen.

Thanks Stephen. My Modeling Funk was due to realizing I was accepting things I could do better! It was never about anyone being better as I realized all along there are MANY BETTER Modelers out there! Therefore I am going to hold Myself to a HIGHER STANDARD!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Juan on January 20, 2020, 07:02:37 AM
Coming along quite nicely Rick, enjoying your progress.   :D
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on January 20, 2020, 09:03:49 AM
Coming along quite nicely Rick, enjoying your progress.   :D

Thanks Juan!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: FAf on January 20, 2020, 07:18:48 PM
Great work! I like the warm tones on the inside of the fuselage and I liked the figure as it was, but it's your build!  :)

On the issue of redoing things that you know you can do better... It's probably a very good approach if you're serious about getting better at what you do. I don't build quickly enough to be able to try new techniques the next time. I simply don't remember what ideas I had about improvement the next time I'm about to build/paint something similar. So redoing what you're not happy with is a good way to learn, I think! At the same time you mustn't let that get in the way of actually finishing what you're building - so balance (as always) is necessary.

Keep up the good work!
/Fredrik
 
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on January 23, 2020, 04:14:26 AM
Great work! I like the warm tones on the inside of the fuselage and I liked the figure as it was, but it's your build!  :)

On the issue of redoing things that you know you can do better... It's probably a very good approach if you're serious about getting better at what you do. I don't build quickly enough to be able to try new techniques the next time. I simply don't remember what ideas I had about improvement the next time I'm about to build/paint something similar. So redoing what you're not happy with is a good way to learn, I think! At the same time you mustn't let that get in the way of actually finishing what you're building - so balance (as always) is necessary.

Keep up the good work!
/Fredrik


Thanks for commenting. I will certainly Not let My decision to not accept things I can do better to keep Me from Finishing  8) I will NOt Accept work that is inferior to My abilities  ;D That being said, SMALL Progress:
RAGIII


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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Alexis on January 23, 2020, 11:33:48 AM
I must say Rick , I really like how your build is turning out . Really nice work on the instrument panel  :)



Terri
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: coyotemagic on January 23, 2020, 12:59:06 PM
Spectacular work so far, Amigo!  I know this is going to be another one of your masterpieces.  Great kit, isn't it.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: kensar on January 23, 2020, 10:37:18 PM
Nice looking wood tones and the IP is awesome!
Following along on this one.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on January 24, 2020, 02:28:11 AM
I must say Rick , I really like how your build is turning out . Really nice work on the instrument panel  :)



Terri

Thanks Terri!
RAGIII

Spectacular work so far, Amigo!  I know this is going to be another one of your masterpieces.  Great kit, isn't it.
Cheers,
Bud

Thanks Amigo. I appreciate the comments.
RAGIII

Nice looking wood tones and the IP is awesome!
Following along on this one.

Thanks Ken. I noticed that the upper right instrument needed some black touch up which has been taken care of  8)
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on January 25, 2020, 07:06:33 AM
The beginning of the "second" painting of the CSM figure. I figured that if I can't get the Sidcot to a point I like the rest didn't matter. So now working on the painting of the suit. I like it much better than My first effort so far.

RAGIII


(https://i.postimg.cc/XqRm0Jb8/82836926-3325793324114383-9153815737280757760-n.jpg)

Still a bit to do and since the oils are wet a bit glossy  :o
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Alexis on January 25, 2020, 11:37:15 AM
Wow , I didn't even know that you restarted the paint on the that little guy  :o



Terri
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on January 26, 2020, 05:46:35 AM
Wow , I didn't even know that you restarted the paint on the that little guy  :o



Terri

Yep, I wasn't happy the first time  ::) If I don't like the second painting I will just build the kit without Henry in the cockpit!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: gedmundson on January 27, 2020, 02:25:57 AM
Nice work on this one Rick!
Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on January 31, 2020, 06:48:22 AM
Nice work on this one Rick!
Cheers,
Gary

Thanks Gary. I have been goofing off the last week or so. Got back to the pilot today. Hopefully results in a couple of days!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 02, 2020, 05:55:22 AM
So a small amount of progress on the figure. With just some touch up the Sidcot is finished. I painted the face and put down the base for the Leopard Skin Helmet and Gauntlets.
RAGIII



(https://i.postimg.cc/jdp794TV/84067454-3343549075672141-4867708194308227072-n.jpg)

PS: Still need to paint the Buttons on the suit  ;D

PPS: The Oils on the Helmet and gloves are still wet  ::)
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Smith on February 02, 2020, 06:07:32 AM
Wonderful choice to do Woollett, definitely a dashing chap.

Looks great so far  :)
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 02, 2020, 06:13:32 AM
Wonderful choice to do Woollett, definitely a dashing chap.

Looks great so far  :)

Thanks for dropping in and the comment!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Alexis on February 02, 2020, 11:51:46 AM
I like it Rick , after going back and having another look at round one , round two turned out even better !




Terri
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: gbrivio on February 03, 2020, 04:39:55 PM
Very nice interiors and impressive figure, the second paintwork is beautiful.
Ciao
Giuseppe
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 04, 2020, 02:58:36 AM
I like it Rick , after going back and having another look at round one , round two turned out even better !




Terri

Thanks Terri. I am getting closer to the pilot being finished.
RAGIII


Very nice interiors and impressive figure, the second paintwork is beautiful.
Ciao
Giuseppe


Thanks Giuseppe. When I finish the pilot I will then make a decision on if I like him enough to actually use him  ::)
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: lone modeller on February 04, 2020, 05:18:03 AM
I am catching up Rick - not had much mojo recently.

The second attempt is clearly better than the first - and the face looks just right to me. The interior of the Camel is splendid- clearly another of your first class builds going on here.

Stephen.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 05, 2020, 12:45:28 AM
I am catching up Rick - not had much mojo recently.

The second attempt is clearly better than the first - and the face looks just right to me. The interior of the Camel is splendid- clearly another of your first class builds going on here.

Stephen.

Thanks for the comments Stephen!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 07, 2020, 05:31:55 AM
So now it is decision time. My choice needs to be made on whether to use the figure or not. It will boil down to this: Does the figure enhance or take away from the Model  ::)
RAGIII


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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Gene K on February 07, 2020, 11:14:04 AM
Does the figure enhance or take away from the Model
Just in case you're asking rather than posing a rhetorical question ... I think that particular pilot would certainly add to the character of the build. Well done either way, though.

Gene K
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 07, 2020, 11:48:08 PM
Does the figure enhance or take away from the Model
Just in case you're asking rather than posing a rhetorical question ... I think that particular pilot would certainly add to the character of the build. Well done either way, though.

Gene K

Thanks for chiming in on the pilot! I said in the beginning of this thread that I wanted comments. Especially if someone thinks I can do better within My skill sets!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Borsos on February 08, 2020, 01:45:58 AM
Does the figure enhance or take away from the Model
Just in case you're asking rather than posing a rhetorical question ... I think that particular pilot would certainly add to the character of the build. Well done either way, though.

Gene K

I agree with Gene.
Andreas
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: FAf on February 08, 2020, 01:59:04 AM
I will follow with interest and comment if there is anything. Probably mostly follow with interest and cheers, though. 😊
/Fredrik

I'm still quite content with following with interest and cheers... 🙌😃

Seriously - Your work is really good and I think that you probably are more critical of your work than necessary. Of course the figure is good enough for this build!

Next time you might do it even better, but if you don't finish things it won't be fun starting them either. So finish this part of the build and show us more!
/Fredrik

Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 08, 2020, 08:27:51 AM
Thanks for the comments reference the pilot! That being said sometimes things one is not sure of settle themselves. I attempted to get the pilot into place and found that he did not fit. I know it is something I screwed up in his construction because I have seen this figure used in several builds! with My Forced decision made I am going back to working on the cockpit as supplied. The photos show where I am now so still need to add all of the control wires and bracing wires.
RAGIII


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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Bughunter on February 08, 2020, 08:35:17 AM
I like your work on cockpit and the figure painting.
I think it was a good decision to repaint it - really pitty, that it does not fit. May be you can use it in another plane?

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 08, 2020, 08:41:34 AM
I like your work on cockpit and the figure painting.
I think it was a good decision to repaint it - really pitty, that it does not fit. May be you can use it in another plane?

Cheers,
Frank

Thanks Frank. I want to emphasize that the fit issue was of My own creation. That being said I may look for a standing RFC/RAF pilot figure wearing a flying helmet, and wearing or carrying gloves .
RAGIII

PS: I have just looked for a suitable standing Pilot and found just what I need from Copperstate Models...so won't even need to change the title of My Thread  8)
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: bobs_buckles on February 08, 2020, 09:20:19 AM
Nice looking office, Rick.
Keep up the great great sprue tickling  ;) :D

vB
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Alexis on February 08, 2020, 01:56:59 PM
Rick , you did a really excellent job on your pilot . I couldn't even come close . Sad to hear about him not fitting , but glad that you found a solution . I also really like how your cockpit is turning out , very nice wood tones  :)


Terri
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 08, 2020, 11:40:26 PM
Nice looking office, Rick.
Keep up the great great sprue tickling  ;) :D

vB

Thanks von B!
RAGIII

Rick , you did a really excellent job on your pilot . I couldn't even come close . Sad to hear about him not fitting , but glad that you found a solution . I also really like how your cockpit is turning out , very nice wood tones  :)


Terri

Thanks T.
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: kensar on February 09, 2020, 12:38:01 AM
Hi Rick, your cockpit looks very good.  I think the wicker seat is especially realistic.
If others have used the pilot figure successfully, they must have altered it to make it fit.  I have had to alter every pilot figure I have put in a cockpit - cut off arms and legs and reattach in a different position, etc.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 09, 2020, 01:39:26 AM
Hi Rick, your cockpit looks very good.  I think the wicker seat is especially realistic.
If others have used the pilot figure successfully, they must have altered it to make it fit.  I have had to alter every pilot figure I have put in a cockpit - cut off arms and legs and reattach in a different position, etc.

Thanks Ken. I don't think it normally requires any alteration. The bottom of the figure fit perfectly in the seat and the feet rested on the rudder bar as designed. The shoulders were a fraction too wide and I think it was that I failed to seat the arms properly, or had the Torso not quite right.   :(
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: coyotemagic on February 09, 2020, 02:39:16 AM
Fantastic work on the innards, Amigo!  She's shaping up beautifully.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: lone modeller on February 09, 2020, 07:31:10 AM
Wot Bud has written: the cockpit looks superb. I just envy you modellers who seem to be able to get the colours right to make plastic look like metal, wood, leather etc. Shame about the pilot Rick but here's hoping that the standing figure will look as good when you are finished.

Stephen.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 09, 2020, 07:47:43 AM
Fantastic work on the innards, Amigo!  She's shaping up beautifully.
Cheers,
Bud

Thanks Amigo! I hope to get the interior rigging done tomorrow.
RAGIII

Wot Bud has written: the cockpit looks superb. I just envy you modellers who seem to be able to get the colours right to make plastic look like metal, wood, leather etc. Shame about the pilot Rick but here's hoping that the standing figure will look as good when you are finished.

Stephen.

Thanks Stephen, Your support is always appreciated!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 11, 2020, 09:22:00 AM
The latest progress. The figure is on order from Copperstate and I have added all of the interior wiring. Stretched Sprue and turnbuckles from white glue and paint..

RAGIII


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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Alexis on February 11, 2020, 12:10:17 PM
Really nice job on the interior Rick . Stretched sprue I never had much luck with , you have master this !



Terri
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Manni on February 11, 2020, 05:13:16 PM
Very nice work, Rick. You have managed the interior really good. I am totally struggling with this kit, espacially the internal rigging.
Bye,
Manni
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 12, 2020, 12:11:17 AM
Really nice job on the interior Rick . Stretched sprue I never had much luck with , you have master this !



Terri

Thanks Terri. Stretched Sprue is My Friend as I was not able to Master Tubes and Turnbuckles!
RAGIII


Very nice work, Rick. You have managed the interior really good. I am totally struggling with this kit, espacially the internal rigging.
Bye,
Manni

Thanks Manni! I used the stretched sprue to simplify things. Most of it will never be seen again once the fuselage is joined and the upper decking is in place. I also tend to spend a lot of time just looking at things and planning My approach. Most of the time that works out well.

RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 14, 2020, 08:53:16 AM
Some progress. This is why We take photos during construction! Fuselage is glued together and upper cowl parts "Placed" in position! Not much to see once all is in place!
RAGIII


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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: lone modeller on February 14, 2020, 09:09:09 AM
It may have disappeared Rick, but it looked good when we could see it! Personally I think the strip-down approach is the best - then it can be seen!

Stephen.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 14, 2020, 09:40:08 AM
It may have disappeared Rick, but it looked good when we could see it! Personally I think the strip-down approach is the best - then it can be seen!

Stephen.

Thanks Stephen! I would consider a Stripped bird but I really Prefer the lines of a fully covered one ! More alluring  8)
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: kensar on February 14, 2020, 10:20:21 PM
It's nice to see everything will fit together!
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 14, 2020, 11:40:14 PM
It's nice to see everything will fit together!

It will take a bit of tweaking but I think it will be OK.
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Alexis on February 15, 2020, 10:05:05 AM
It is a shame that such nice detail is mostly hidden from view , fantastic work Rick .  8)


Terri

Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 15, 2020, 11:16:58 PM
It is a shame that such nice detail is mostly hidden from view , fantastic work Rick .  8)


Terri

Thanks Terri!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: kkarlsen on February 16, 2020, 04:34:23 AM
Very nice 'front office' Richard!
Must have been to get in and out though  :P

Cheers: Kent
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 16, 2020, 05:44:40 AM
Very nice 'front office' Richard!
Must have been to get in and out though  :P

Cheers: Kent


Thanks Kent. Yeah it looks pretty tight  8)
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 17, 2020, 04:06:34 AM
This is the second time I have made this post so if Yesterdays Posts come back I will delete this one. I found this photo while searching 43 squadron Sopwith Camel on the net. Does it look like the upper decking has been removed in front of the cockpit near the Machine Guns? Also note the altered shape at the back of the cockpit to the leather padding. As always if this photo violates any ones copyright I will happily remove the photo.

RAGIII



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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 21, 2020, 12:51:04 AM
I have made My Decision on the cut away panels and am going with one of the WNW options for the right side. I have also begun to trim away the rear of the cockpit opening to reshape per the original.The engine is a WIP, lots more to do.

RAGIII


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PS: One positive result is that more of the interior will be visible  8)

PPS: There is one more piece that fills in a bit on the right hand side, provided by WNW.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 21, 2020, 08:17:12 AM
 I have done the initial work on replacing the padding. Still lots to tweak
RAGIII


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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Alexis on February 21, 2020, 11:03:23 AM
I like the mods Rick , been looking over and over the photo's and your other post in regards to the conversion . I think you made the right choice . It does show off the detail better , well done sir !


Terri
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: kensar on February 21, 2020, 10:51:20 PM
Good work on the mods, Rick.  I like the accuracy and your model will be unique.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 22, 2020, 04:44:13 AM
I like the mods Rick , been looking over and over the photo's and your other post in regards to the conversion . I think you made the right choice . It does show off the detail better , well done sir !


Terri

Thanks Terri. As always I appreciate your input!
RAGIII

Good work on the mods, Rick.  I like the accuracy and your model will be unique.

Thanks Ken. I am still debating on My results. May try experimenting some more on the padding. In the Meantime got this figure in the Mail Today. The replacement for the seated Pilot.


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A little seam clean up and then assemble and paint  8)
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on February 23, 2020, 02:29:52 AM
Enjoying reading through this Rag, gives me inspiration to stick at my Camel build. We had similar disappointment with trying fo include a pilot figure.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 23, 2020, 06:43:31 AM
Enjoying reading through this Rag, gives me inspiration to stick at my Camel build. We had similar disappointment with trying fo include a pilot figure.

Thanks Richie. But onward we Go  8) I have begun to paint the wooden portions of the fuselage. Valejo acrylics with Raw Sienna, Burnt Sienna, and Burnt Umber oils blended together. Next up a Tamiya clear orange overspray.
RAGIII


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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on February 23, 2020, 07:01:48 AM
Looking great RAG, it's so good to have someone a step ahead with the same kit. I've never built a biplane before so this is really helpful and inspiring.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 23, 2020, 07:40:29 AM
Looking great RAG, it's so good to have someone a step ahead with the same kit. I've never built a biplane before so this is really helpful and inspiring.
'
Thanks Richie! I am far from a great Modeler and identify with something you said in your first post on your build log. If I can inspire someone to think..."I can Do that" then My reason for posting build logs is fulfilled! By this time in My builds all rigging location holes are drilled and I have a plan for the rigging. I use structural rigging running through the wings. Just a suggestion that now is the time to plan  ::)
RAGIII

PS: I usually don't blow My Own Horn but I am quite pleased with the Wood Grain!
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Borsos on February 23, 2020, 10:16:33 AM
You are completely right, Rick: the wood grain looks great.  :)
Andreas
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 23, 2020, 10:50:10 AM
You are completely right, Rick: the wood grain looks great.  :)
Andreas

Thanks Andreas, Means a lot coming from you!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: kensar on February 24, 2020, 01:04:07 AM
Excellent looking wood, Rick.  Will there be a panel on the right side, or will all the detail be exposed for viewing?
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 24, 2020, 01:56:00 AM
Excellent looking wood, Rick.  Will there be a panel on the right side, or will all the detail be exposed for viewing?

Thanks and,Yes, there will be a panel. It is one of the two cut down options supplied in the kit. Still more visible than the standard panels  8)
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Juan on February 24, 2020, 04:20:06 AM
Rick, your wood tones (and everything else) are amazing.....   :D
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 24, 2020, 08:10:33 AM
Rick, your wood tones (and everything else) are amazing.....   :D

Thanks Juan. Greatly appreciated!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Alexis on February 24, 2020, 10:18:39 AM
Nice tones with in the wood Rick  :)


Terri
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 24, 2020, 11:18:53 PM
Nice tones with in the wood Rick  :)


Terri


Thanks Terri. Greatly appreciated!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 25, 2020, 06:56:46 AM
While waiting for the oils to dry on the wood grain I have done some work on the pilot, engine, and engine cowling. The CSM figure has been cleaned up, assembled, and primed. The engine is ready for plug wires and a few more colors/ weathering. The Cowling has been painted and I HOPE represents a subtle version of the "Turning" , Maybe even too subtle?
RAGIII



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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on February 25, 2020, 08:54:44 AM
The cowling looks like real aluminium to me, I like it a lot. Can't wait to see the next step on weathering the engine. I need a few tips on this. ;)
Lead on Rag, I'm learning a lot from this build.

Richie

Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 25, 2020, 09:01:54 AM
The cowling looks like real aluminium to me, I like it a lot. Can't wait to see the next step on weathering the engine. I need a few tips on this. ;)
Lead on Rag, I'm learning a lot from this build.

Richie

Thanks Richie. I hope My build can live up to your expectations  8)
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Alexis on February 25, 2020, 11:14:03 AM
I like the effect of the cowl Rick , just right and I'm looking forward on more of that figure  :)



Terri
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 26, 2020, 12:40:12 AM
I like the effect of the cowl Rick , just right and I'm looking forward on more of that figure  :)



Terri

Thanks Terri. I appreciate the input!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 26, 2020, 07:50:39 AM
I worked on the engine today. Added plug wires and did an oil wash to dirty things up. I have actually used about 4 colors on the cylinders, steel, aluminum, copper and blue. Can't really tell though  ::) Just a bit of touch up and it is done.
RAGIII


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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Manni on February 26, 2020, 04:21:25 PM
Really cool looking engine, the wiring is very nice.
Bye,
Manni
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on February 26, 2020, 05:05:54 PM
Oh that is excellent, are the wires stretched sprue? I had difficulty removing the excess EZline on mine. Love the weathering, looks like its had some good use. Enjoying this!
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 26, 2020, 10:56:44 PM
Really cool looking engine, the wiring is very nice.
Bye,
Manni

Thanks Manni. I appreciate your comments!
RAGIII

Oh that is excellent, are the wires stretched sprue? I had difficulty removing the excess EZline on mine. Love the weathering, looks like its had some good use. Enjoying this!

Thanks Richie. Yes the wires are stretched sprue. My usual "Old School" Go to for things like this  ::)
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 28, 2020, 07:31:55 AM
I have progressed. The wood panels had a VERY thin coat of Tamiya Clear Orange mixed with Clear Yellow sprayed on. I also applied the Hammered/Turned Metal to the appropriate panels. The upper Deck and Cowl are positioned for the photos:
RAGIII


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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: lone modeller on February 28, 2020, 09:23:24 AM
Really Rick this just gets better with every update. It seems to me that your short break last year has given you inspiration and energy - just wish I could share with it!!!

Stephen.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 28, 2020, 10:40:33 AM
Really Rick this just gets better with every update. It seems to me that your short break last year has given you inspiration and energy - just wish I could share with it!!!

Stephen.

Thanks Stephen. Yes I am pretty inspired on this one. It won't be the best Camel Build on this site but I am pleased with My Progress! Just glued all of the top decking panels in place and now with a bit of touch up I am ready to move on to the overall scheme.
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Alexis on February 28, 2020, 11:07:31 AM
Making nice progress Rick , shaping up wonderfully .  :)


Terri
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 28, 2020, 11:42:29 AM
Thanks T! I appreciate your comment 👍
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: bobs_buckles on February 28, 2020, 05:53:16 PM
Making nice progress Rick , shaping up wonderfully .  :)


Terri

+1  my friend  ;)

vB
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 28, 2020, 10:33:54 PM
Making nice progress Rick , shaping up wonderfully .  :)


Terri

+1  my friend  ;)

vB

Thanks Bob!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on February 28, 2020, 10:41:47 PM
Looking great, love the 'woodwork', very realistic!
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on February 29, 2020, 12:03:39 AM
Looking great, love the 'woodwork', very realistic!

Thanks Richie. All is now in place except for the Cowling which is placed in position.
RAGIII


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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on February 29, 2020, 03:26:05 AM
Hoping to get to this stage over the weekend.
I'm going to avoid the turned finish and and anymore wood grain on mine. There might be a famous Canadian ace standing by it. There will be black paint too. ;)
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 01, 2020, 02:30:05 AM
Hoping to get to this stage over the weekend.
I'm going to avoid the turned finish and and anymore wood grain on mine. There might be a famous Canadian ace standing by it. There will be black paint too. ;)

I am looking forward to seeing an update in your thread! I hope to at least prime the wings and remainder of the fuselage this weekend  8)
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Borsos on March 01, 2020, 05:48:50 AM
Nice progress on the metall and the rest of the fuselage. I like these Camels more and more when I see such pictures.
Andreas
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Alexis on March 01, 2020, 07:36:44 AM
Nice job on fitting rest of the panels , looking forward on seeing her with some paint now  :)



Terri
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: AlbertD on March 01, 2020, 02:00:12 PM
Great looking Camel.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 01, 2020, 11:01:35 PM
Nice job on fitting rest of the panels , looking forward on seeing her with some paint now  :)



Terri

Thanks Terri! I started on the PC10. I used Xtra Color so it takes a while....days to dry. Due to a couple of things I did I will need to do some sanding and polishing then paint some more. Wish Me luck! I do really like the color though so that is a positive.
RAGIII


Great looking Camel.

Thanks for dropping by and the comment Albert!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 03, 2020, 08:24:03 AM
While waiting for the PC 10 paint to dry on the fuselage and wings I have done a small amount of work on the pilot. I have applied an acrylic base of flesh and added a bit of darker wash around the eyes and helmet line. The Next step will be to use artists oils of varying flesh tones to blend it all together...I hope
RAGIII



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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Alexis on March 03, 2020, 11:05:50 AM
Now the real fun begins  ;) Looking forward to this  8)


Terri
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 04, 2020, 06:57:16 AM
Now the real fun begins  ;) Looking forward to this  8)


Terri

Nice to have you along Terri! I have given the second coat of paint to the fuselage and wings. I really like the XTRA Color PC 10. Looks green in some lighting and brownish green in others.
RAGIII


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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on March 04, 2020, 08:33:24 AM
Looking fantastic, lovely even finish. I really like that PC10 colour too.

I've stalled on mine due to catching flu and having a series of minor mishaps. Enjoying what I'm seeing here though.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 04, 2020, 08:45:42 AM
Looking fantastic, lovely even finish. I really like that PC10 colour too.

I've stalled on mine due to catching flu and having a series of minor mishaps. Enjoying what I'm seeing here though.

Thanks Richie. I hope you feel better soon! Mishaps are common to me as I have said before. I actually had to sand and polish the first PC 10 application because of glitches that were self created!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: kensar on March 05, 2020, 04:03:39 AM
Its looking good with color on it, Rick.  Also looks like a shiny base for decals.
The figure's face looks like Herman Munster!
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 05, 2020, 05:30:09 AM
Its looking good with color on it, Rick.  Also looks like a shiny base for decals.
The figure's face looks like Herman Munster!

Thanks Ken. I appreciate your comment! The XTRA Color paint really is great to work with except for the Drying Time involved! As for the figure I think he got a bit Pixelated when I edited the photo. I Must admit that in this photo there is a certain Herman Munster resemblence  ::)
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: lone modeller on March 05, 2020, 07:55:03 AM
Not dropped by recently Rick, so I have just caught up. The pilot looks fine to me and if you can put some details on his face he will look the part. The PC 10 is also convincing and the finish first class. (Not that I have come to expect any less from you.... No pressure!!)

Stephen.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 05, 2020, 10:51:18 PM
Not dropped by recently Rick, so I have just caught up. The pilot looks fine to me and if you can put some details on his face he will look the part. The PC 10 is also convincing and the finish first class. (Not that I have come to expect any less from you.... No pressure!!)

Stephen.

Thanks Stephen. I always appreciate your support!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Alexis on March 07, 2020, 11:41:32 AM
I like your choice of shade for the PC 10 Rick , very nice indeed  8)



Terri
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 08, 2020, 04:37:39 AM
I like your choice of shade for the PC 10 Rick , very nice indeed  8)



Terri

Thanks Terri. I am going to add a little variance as the original had at least three schemes carried. On the Minus side I have Joined the Elite club of having broken off a Cabane Strut! I was tinkering with the lower wing fit and a slip caused the left rear strut to be unattached by incidental contact  :-[  I take little solace in the fact that better Modelers Like Lance have suffered the same fate  >:(
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PS: I also painted the variance with a Valejo Mix of Olive Brown and Russian Green. Also painted the undersurface with Tamiya Buff. I have done a bit of rib and spar see through for a later Oil Soaking.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on March 09, 2020, 04:09:39 AM
Looking great Rick, apart from the broken strut you're motoring along very smoothly here. But as you say you've joined an elite club.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: lcarroll on March 09, 2020, 05:18:13 AM
Rick,
    As I mentioned elsewhere I've built several of these and broken off more then just one cabane, nothing unique in that I'm certain! As long as you've got three unbroken just pre-pin the little devil and attach the cross rigging at one end, then pop it into place when you mount the upper wing. I managed to sweep THREE of the little "8&TYZ*&O*AE&" things off on my first one; solution was a template to get them on at the correct angles and spacing. Looking really great so far, it's a jewel of a Kit other then the easy possibility of cabane destruction.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 09, 2020, 11:01:33 AM
Looking great Rick, apart from the broken strut you're motoring along very smoothly here. But as you say you've joined an elite club.

Thanks Richie. Things are going pretty well other than the strut  ::)
RAGIII


Rick,
    As I mentioned elsewhere I've built several of these and broken off more then just one cabane, nothing unique in that I'm certain! As long as you've got three unbroken just pre-pin the little devil and attach the cross rigging at one end, then pop it into place when you mount the upper wing. I managed to sweep THREE of the little "8&TYZ*&O*AE&" things off on my first one; solution was a template to get them on at the correct angles and spacing. looking really great so far, it's a jewel of a Kit other then the easy possibility of cabane destruction.
Cheers,
Lance

I am hoping to do just that Lance. Use the three remaining to get the 4th in place. Should work if I don't manage to break another  ;D
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 10, 2020, 11:33:13 PM
The Roundels proved to be as bad as some have reported! After applying six that had wrap around edges which cracked and tore it FINALLY Dawned on me that it would have been better just to CUT the portion that folds over off and apply them separately! The result of My experience is that I will need to do a Lot of touch up! The saving grace is that D6402 was a Well used airframe so perhaps some touch up was done in real life  ::)
RAGIII

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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: lone modeller on March 11, 2020, 02:15:08 AM
This is looking very good Rick. Sadly I will never be able to join a club that has members as elite as Lance and you. (Not sure that either of you would wish to be in the same club as me anyway....!!!)

While I cannot break a strut from a kit I sure can get into a mess when adding struts - see the FE build to read about my latest mistakes!

Stephen.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on March 11, 2020, 04:22:56 AM
Forewarned is forewarned, I'm approaching the decal stage on mine so that's a good tip off. It does look great with some roundels on. Looking forward to the next update.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 11, 2020, 04:46:25 AM
This is looking very good Rick. Sadly I will never be able to join a club that has members as elite as Lance and you. (Not sure that either of you would wish to be in the same club as me anyway....!!!)

While I cannot break a strut from a kit I sure can get into a mess when adding struts - see the FE build to read about my latest mistakes!

Stephen.

I would be More than Honered to be in any club of which you are a Member  ;) I may need your advice on My next, Very ambitious build as it will require scratch building some struts  8)
RAGIII


Forewarned is forewarned, I'm approaching the decal stage on mine so that's a good tip off. It does look great with some roundels on. Looking forward to the next update.

Thanks Richie. I guess there is a possibility that clear coating prior to use might have kept them from breaking apart. My experience has been that the adherence to detail is affected by that procedure so 6 of one, half a Dozen of the other. Others experiences may differ. Again in hind sight cutting them would have worked!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: kensar on March 12, 2020, 02:48:29 AM
If I remember correctly, in my Pup build, it had the wrap around roundel decals also.  I carefully applied decal softener at the edges of the bend after putting the roundels on the wing surface and also used a hair dryer to soften them up enough to wrap around.  If you try to bend them around the edge too soon, they will break.  It took a few minutes for the decal softener to work.  Good luck with these decals, guys.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 12, 2020, 05:07:09 AM
If I remember correctly, in my Pup build, it had the wrap around roundel decals also.  I carefully applied decal softener at the edges of the bend after putting the roundels on the wing surface and also used a hair dryer to soften them up enough to wrap around.  If you try to bend them around the edge too soon, they will break.  It took a few minutes for the decal softener to work.  Good luck with these decals, guys.

I tried using future, softener etc. to no avail. I have also built the Sopwith Tripe, SE5a, and Snipe and had No Issues at all with the wrap around roundels. It seems to have started with the Camels and carried over to later releases like the Dolphin, which also gave Me a few trials although not as bad as the Camel. Softener and hair dryer May work but in the future I will just cut them and be safe  ::)
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: bobs_buckles on March 12, 2020, 07:24:21 AM
Hi Rick,
 Not sure if you got my email. but just to let you know the masks are on their way  ;)

Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 12, 2020, 07:31:11 AM
Hi Rick,
 Not sure if you got my email. but just to let you know the masks are on their way  ;)

Cheers,
Bob
Thanks Bob! Again I appreciate your Generous Help on the Masks!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Alexis on March 12, 2020, 09:56:33 AM
This is good too know about the decals , will be tossing the kit decals and go with something else . Like the others Rick she does look nice with the rundels in place  :)



Terri
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 12, 2020, 10:59:25 AM
This is good too know about the decals , will be tossing the kit decals and go with something else . Like the others Rick she does look nice with the rundels in place  :)



Terri

Thanks Terri. I don't know that it is necessary to give up on all of the kit markings. I think others have used the bulk of the Markings with no problems. The issues seem to be centered on the roundels. We can of course, hope Rowan releases the Camel Aces sheet sooner than later. I can still use some of the markings like the serial number and little dragon motif. I also think Kiwi or Lifelike have some Camel Markings.
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Dave W on March 12, 2020, 10:32:52 PM
The problems others have reported with the Wingnut Camel roundel decals are actually quite comforting to me as my Camel roundels look terrible in place, and I was agonising over what I had done wrong. Issues with the decals themselves would explain much.

I also achieved the distinction of breaking off all four cabane struts during construction. The Camel build is currently shelved pending a re-think.

Rick, your Camel is looking fantastic and I'm following your build with much interest and envy :)

cheers

Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 13, 2020, 01:01:12 AM
The problems others have reported with the Wingnut Camel roundel decals are actually quite comforting to me as my Camel roundels look terrible in place, and I was agonising over what I had done wrong. Issues with the decals themselves would explain much.

I also achieved the distinction of breaking off all four cabane struts during construction. The Camel build is currently shelved pending a re-think.

Rick, your Camel is looking fantastic and I'm following your build with much interest and envy :)

cheers

Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia

First thank you for your kind comment Dave. Like You said knowing there are issues with the decals helps some  ;D The struts are indeed delicate. In retrospect it would have been nice had WNW designed them to slide into place like the Snipe kit. Of course there have been Many who managed to avoid breaking them so only a slight bit of satisfaction knowing we are Not Alone! I hope you figure out how to rescue your Camel!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 13, 2020, 06:14:47 AM
I have started applying oils for weathering. Here is a shot of the underside as it stands now. Too Much?
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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: lone modeller on March 13, 2020, 06:32:04 AM
No!!!! If you look at photos of the undersides of rotary engined aircraft the undersides look a real mess. Modern rotary aircraft are notorious for throwing oil all over the aeroplane, pilot and anything else within 50 yards or so - you could add a little more and still it would not be overdone, especially if it represents the machine shortly after it had landed and the ground crew had not had time to clean it off. For once less is not necessarily more.

Stephen.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 13, 2020, 06:55:04 AM
No!!!! If you look at photos of the undersides of rotary engined aircraft the undersides look a real mess. Modern rotary aircraft are notorious for throwing oil all over the aeroplane, pilot and anything else within 50 yards or so - you could add a little more and still it would not be overdone, especially if it represents the machine shortly after it had landed and the ground crew had not had time to clean it off. For once less is not necessarily more.

Stephen.

Thanks Stephen. As usual My photos do not show the whole picture. with the Naked Eye in proper lighting you can see the ribs and spars just peeking through the fabric due to soaking  :-[

One of the uppers:


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RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: smperry on March 13, 2020, 07:50:30 AM
RAGIII
I like your underside staining. It is exactly how it would look after having been flown, and then wiped clean several times. I once took a pristine model and simulated oil blown back during flight. Got it just how I imagined it. Then it dawned on me that the airplane would have looked like that moments after it landed from it's first flight and never looked that way again. Your oil staining is truly realistic IMO. Great work!
sp
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on March 13, 2020, 09:47:05 AM
Looks fantastic to me Rick, following your build is helping me so much with mine. The upper surfaces look superb too.

Richie
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Juan on March 13, 2020, 10:14:50 AM
Looks great Rick.  This build is up to your usual high standards and does not disappoint.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 14, 2020, 06:51:24 AM
RAGIII
I like your underside staining. It is exactly how it would look after having been flown, and then wiped clean several times. I once took a pristine model and simulated oil blown back during flight. Got it just how I imagined it. Then it dawned on me that the airplane would have looked like that moments after it landed from it's first flight and never looked that way again. Your oil staining is truly realistic IMO. Great work!
sp

Thanks! I Greatly appreciate your input! I am as usual, satisfied at times and at others not so sure. That being said it will stay as is  8)
RAGIII


Looks fantastic to me Rick, following your build is helping me so much with mine. The upper surfaces look superb too.

Richie

Thanks Richie. If My build helps someone then Mission Accomplished!
RAGIII


Looks great Rick.  This build is up to your usual high standards and does not disappoint.

Thanks Juan. I always appreciate you dropping in on My builds!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 14, 2020, 07:58:03 AM
Weathering with oils is pretty much done on the wings and fuselage. I used red, black, yellow ochre, white, and burnt umber blended together then mostly wiped off. Makes for a varied brownish color added to the PC 10.
RAGIII


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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on March 14, 2020, 08:55:27 AM
Looking superb Rick, I really like the oil weathering. Will try that on mine. The camel is such a handsome little aircraft and yours is looking particularly good.

I see what you mean about the decals.They are really thick, a bit like Japaneses style decals you get on Tamiya kits. I'm definitely going to be cutting mine first like you suggested. I'm guessing they have to be thick to avoid disintegrating under layers of micro sol.

Looking forward to seeing it become a biplane.

Richie
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: bobs_buckles on March 14, 2020, 07:45:04 PM
She looks mighty fine, Rick!
Loving every aspect of your build.

Onward!!

 8) ;)

von B
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 14, 2020, 09:57:43 PM
Looking superb Rick, I really like the oil weathering. Will try that on mine. The camel is such a handsome little aircraft and yours is looking particularly good.


I see what you mean about the decals.They are really thick, a bit like Japaneses style decals you get on Tamiya kits. I'm definitely going to be cutting mine first like you suggested. I'm guessing they have to be thick to avoid disintegrating under layers of micro sol.

Looking forward to seeing it become a biplane.

Richie

Thanks Richie. If you use oils for this Don't use the Acryl fast drying type. Regular oils take longer to dry but also allow you time to remove them if you don't like your initial results  ;D

I should be able to clear coat over the weathered surfaces today or tomorrow, Then I will ATTEMPT the upper wing. Fingers crossed for No More Cabane problems!
RAGIII


She looks mighty fine, Rick!
Loving every aspect of your build.

Onward!!

 8) ;)

von B

Thanks Bob. All will be ready for your masks soon!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on March 14, 2020, 11:47:46 PM
If you use oils for this Don't use the Acryl fast drying type. Regular oils take longer to dry but also allow you time to remove them if you don't like your initial results  

Sounds like a good plan, thanks for the tip. Being able to remove and adjust results would have saved me a lot of thumb print aggravation yesterday. The extra drying time doesn't worry me, I can crack on with making eyelets and reading up on rigging. I'm going  for fishing line this time. EZ line resulted in some pretty comical wing dropping on my eindekker. :)
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 15, 2020, 05:39:15 AM
If you use oils for this Don't use the Acryl fast drying type. Regular oils take longer to dry but also allow you time to remove them if you don't like your initial results 

Sounds like a good plan, thanks for the tip. Being able to remove and adjust results would have saved me a lot of thumb print aggravation yesterday. The extra drying time doesn't worry me, I can crack on with making eyelets and reading up on rigging. I'm going  for fishing line this time. EZ line resulted in some pretty comical wing dropping on my eindekker. :)

Sounds like a good plan Richie. I don't know if you have looked at any of My build logs but I tend to go against the grain where rigging is concerned. I don't use turnbuckles. Just Trout fishing line run through holes drilled in the wings and secured with super glue  ::) That being said I admire those who have Mastered getting buckles all lined up in the same direction as their rigging wires  8)
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on March 15, 2020, 05:47:59 AM
I'll have a look, that sounds a lot more straightforward, I was planning on just making tiny eyelets and avoiding using brass tube. I'm going to have a little experiment and see if they can easily be bent under tension in the right direction. If that works out I shall be a very happy man!
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 15, 2020, 06:36:37 AM
I'll have a look, that sounds a lot more straightforward, I was planning on just making tiny eyelets and avoiding using brass tube. I'm going to have a little experiment and see if they can easily be bent under tension in the right direction. If that works out I shall be a very happy man!

Just for the record I say Go for the Gold and learn to use those buckles  ::)
RAGIII

PS: I don't know if My Post Image account was Hacked or All of Post Image but it is now setting off Norton and there are some weird advertisements that shouldn't be there  >:( So I am trying Flickr again. This is a repeat and experiment to re learn how to post photos!


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PPS: So I was successful. I am thinking it is probably good that I have always Posted My Photos so they Don't take you back to the host site. Otherwise we might have a bunch of stuff here that doesn't belong  :o

Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: kensar on March 16, 2020, 12:08:23 AM
Great looking weathering Rick.  The oil staining of the bottom is awesome.  I'm continuing to follow this.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 16, 2020, 12:53:08 AM
Great looking weathering Rick.  The oil staining of the bottom is awesome.  I'm continuing to follow this.

Thanks Ken, Greatly appreciated! If all goes well it should be a biplane sometime today  8)
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Borsos on March 16, 2020, 04:33:59 AM
I like the way you weathered the wings. Lovely progress and I am keen on seeing it with top wing attached.
Andreas
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 16, 2020, 05:56:21 AM
I like the way you weathered the wings. Lovely progress and I am keen on seeing it with top wing attached.
Andreas


Thanks Andreas. Here you go for the top wing mounted:
RAGIII



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PS: Getting the broken Cabane pinned in place was much easier than anticipated...providing it holds  8)
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Mike Norris on March 16, 2020, 06:12:13 AM
I think most WNW Camel builders have been there - I know I have.
Even so your build is looking great  8)

Mike
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on March 16, 2020, 06:15:30 AM
Nice fix on the cabane.Looking great with the top wing mounted, are there any potential pitfalls to be wary of?
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Mike Norris on March 16, 2020, 06:19:21 AM
 ;D Yes - the fragility of the cabane struts  :o

Mike
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 16, 2020, 06:45:47 AM
I think most WNW Camel builders have been there - I know I have.
Even so your build is looking great  8)

Mike

Thanks Mike. Yes the broken cabane is certainly something one sees on the Camel more than any other WNW kit! Saw one on FB today... he broke one while test fitting the interior in the fuselage!
RAGIII


Nice fix on the cabane.Looking great with the top wing mounted, are there any potential pitfalls to be wary of?

Thanks for your continued support Richie. As for Mounting the wing I use a Very Sophisticated jig. I Turn the upper wing upside down on a flat surface. I tnen glued all of the interplane struts in place on the lower wings. A small drop of glue was applied to the locating holes on the upper wing. Turned the model over, lined up the cabanes and inserted them in place. Then went to the right interplanes followed by the left. Once dry enough I hit them with a bit of Tamiya extra thin  ::) So the short answer is No reall issues, especially if No Broken Cabanes.
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on March 16, 2020, 07:19:37 AM
Thanks Rick, I hope to get to this stage in a week or so. Still got a few paint/finger print mishaps to correct first.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 16, 2020, 08:57:14 AM
Thanks Rick, I hope to get to this stage in a week or so. Still got a few paint/finger print mishaps to correct first.

I am Looking forward to your progress. On Mine I making some educated guesses on a few things. Not 100% sure which gear legs to use for instance. ( I am going with the later style). Also not sure if the inspection panels were painted over so leaving them clear. Hoping no photos exist proving Me wrong!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: lone modeller on March 17, 2020, 05:30:36 AM
In spite of the cabane problem this is looking well up to your usual very high standard Rick. Not long now until it is finished - and another cracker for the display cabinet!

Stephen.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 17, 2020, 06:49:02 AM
In spite of the cabane problem this is looking well up to your usual very high standard Rick. Not long now until it is finished - and another cracker for the display cabinet!

Stephen.

As always thanks for your comments and Support Stephen! I was working on attempting to use My printer to make the Dragon Motif from a profile today. Got the marking printed to a white paint background with no issues. When I went to seal the decals with Micro scale decal saver It totally wiped away the ink! Tried again and used future, same result. I am puzzled as I have used this method before with no issues. Even water totally wiped out the ink?
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: smperry on March 17, 2020, 06:58:48 AM
I had the same kind of problem here. I got round it by misting fine coats of Micro scale decal film. Real fine so it is almost dry when it hits the surface. You don't want to really wet the ink. If you can discipline yourself to build up a coat that way, (My usual downfall), once you get a few misted coats dry, you can build it up from there if you don't spray so much it re-dissolves the film down to the ink. Printer ink can be a pain.
sp
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 17, 2020, 07:06:24 AM
I had the same kind of problem here. I got round it by misting fine coats of Micro scale decal film. Real fine so it is almost dry when it hits the surface. You don't want to really wet the ink. If you can discipline yourself to build up a coat that way, (My usual downfall), once you get a few misted coats dry, you can build it up from there if you don't spray so much it re-dissolves the film down to the ink. Printer ink can be a pain.
sp

Thanks for the advice! I actually have never encountered this issue even BRUSHING Micro Scale Decal Solution over the Ink! I will try again tomorrow using the Airbrush in misting coats  ::)
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Mike Norris on March 17, 2020, 08:17:59 AM
In spite of the cabane problem this is looking well up to your usual very high standard Rick. Not long now until it is finished - and another cracker for the display cabinet!

Stephen.

As always thanks for your comments and Support Stephen! I was working on attempting to use My printer to make the Dragon Motif from a profile today. Got the marking printed to a white paint background with no issues. When I went to seal the decals with Micro scale decal saver It totally wiped away the ink! Tried again and used future, same result. I am puzzled as I have used this method before with no issues. Even water totally wiped out the ink?
RAGIII

Hi Rich,
If you're printing decals using an inkjet printer, sealing them enough is always a problem, which is why laser printers are better (but more expensive) as they heat seal the pigments, so no sealing required.
Could you post a shot of the dragon you are looking to create?

Mike
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 18, 2020, 12:11:52 AM
In spite of the cabane problem this is looking well up to your usual very high standard Rick. Not long now until it is finished - and another cracker for the display cabinet!

Stephen.

As always thanks for your comments and Support Stephen! I was working on attempting to use My printer to make the Dragon Motif from a profile today. Got the marking printed to a white paint background with no issues. When I went to seal the decals with Micro scale decal saver It totally wiped away the ink! Tried again and used future, same result. I am puzzled as I have used this method before with no issues. Even water totally wiped out the ink?
RAGIII

Hi Rich,
If you're printing decals using an inkjet printer, sealing them enough is always a problem, which is why laser printers are better (but more expensive) as they heat seal the pigments, so no sealing required.
Could you post a shot of the dragon you are looking to create?

Mike


The Dragon can be seen on this profile. I was trying to copy another version from the Osprey Camel Aces book. I won't post that due to copyright. I will send you some other pics on Messenger  8)
RAGIII


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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Mike Norris on March 18, 2020, 01:15:35 AM
Hi Rich,
I have the Osprey publication as well.
I can see your problem in trying to replicate the dragon emblem.
Printing might be your only method as the emblem is I think even too intricate at 1:32 scale to cut a mask.
Do you know of anyone with a colour laser printer?

Mike
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 18, 2020, 01:34:29 AM
Hi Rich,
I have the Osprey publication as well.
I can see your problem in trying to replicate the dragon emblem.
Printing might be your only method as the emblem is I think even too intricate at 1:32 scale to cut a mask.
Do you know of anyone with a colour laser printer?

Mike

I do not know of anyone at present. I can only hope Rowan of Pheon eventually gets his Camel Aces sheet released! Hopefully he is still on the Mend from his Illness!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Gene K on March 18, 2020, 02:18:27 AM
Do you know of anyone with a colour laser printer?

PM sent.

Gene K

Edit -- Opps, I should have sent that PM to RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 18, 2020, 02:23:34 AM
One more thing about the Dragon. It was also included on the Sheet from Hobbycraft Camel kit #1685. I doubt the quality is good but if I could find the decals it might work as a Stop Gap measure until Pheons decals are available!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: smperry on March 18, 2020, 02:44:38 AM
RAGIII
I was thinking about your printer ink running when coated and it really shouldn't do that if you don't puddle the coating over the ink. So maybe the issue is that the ink isn't bonding even minimally with the white painted surface you said you were printing on. If you can't build up a good coat with light misting, maybe try a different kind of white paint, that may be the issue.
sp
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 18, 2020, 03:55:27 AM
RAGIII
I was thinking about your printer ink running when coated and it really shouldn't do that if you don't puddle the coating over the ink. So maybe the issue is that the ink isn't bonding even minimally with the white painted surface you said you were printing on. If you can't build up a good coat with light misting, maybe try a different kind of white paint, that may be the issue.
sp

Thanks again  for the suggestion. Like I said, I have used the printer before with No Major issues for making small decals that I needed. I will try a different white. I also have been offered assistance with this from Gene. Again pretty much a stop gap effort waiting for the Pheon Decals  8)
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: smperry on March 18, 2020, 03:59:42 AM
Hey, what you learn now will come in handy when you want markings Pheom doesn't make.
sp
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 18, 2020, 04:26:43 AM
Hey, what you learn now will come in handy when you want markings Pheom doesn't make.
sp

One thing I knew but that has been reinforced with the decal issues. This Forum is Fantastic for the Modelers. So Many offering their help, and advice! I Do Love this Forum!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 18, 2020, 05:52:41 AM
A SMALL step today. I painted the Stripes on the Rudder and Fin. Needs a bit of Tweaking but overall I am OK with the results.
RAGIII



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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: dr 1 ace on March 18, 2020, 06:53:27 AM
Movin along !

Ed
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Alexis on March 18, 2020, 07:12:39 AM
Making good progress on this build Rick , tail is shaping up awesome as is the whole build ! Keep up the excellent work Rick  :)


Terri
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 18, 2020, 11:06:02 PM
Movin along !

Ed

Thanks for Dropping by Amigo!
RAGIII


Making good progress on this build Rick , tail is shaping up awesome as is the whole build ! Keep up the excellent work Rick  :)


Terri

Thanks Terri. I received the masks from Bob von Maskmaker  for the Letter "S" and bars yesterday so I will be planning how best to utilize them.
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on March 19, 2020, 12:41:02 AM
Looking great Rick, keep up the good work. Sadly my work space has been taken over while my better half works from home. In the meantime I shall keep following this with great interest and glean whatever tips I can.

Richie
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 19, 2020, 01:43:49 AM
Looking great Rick, keep up the good work. Sadly my work space has been taken over while my better half works from home. In the meantime I shall keep following this with great interest and glean whatever tips I can.

Richie

Thanks Richie. Sorry to hear about your work space. Hopefully you will get it back sooner than expected!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on March 19, 2020, 01:51:24 AM
It's all good, we have a desk coming and have made space elsewhere for it. I think I shall have plenty of time for model making over the coming weeks. Nice way to weather the storm I think! :)
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 19, 2020, 04:18:02 AM
It's all good, we have a desk coming and have made space elsewhere for it. I think I shall have plenty of time for model making over the coming weeks. Nice way to weather the storm I think! :)

Sounds Great Richie! I used the Mask made for Me by Bob of Bobs Buckles. He actually Hand Drew the S in order to create the mask. I am pleased with the results although it may be a tad forward of where it should be. Oh well not going to change it now. Not that far off! By the way the rudder and Fin colors have been affected by My editing for more light. The colors are actually very close to those of the roundel!

RAGIII


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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on March 19, 2020, 05:56:37 AM
That really looks excellent Rick, I might have to commission a few masks myself for my planned Sopwith Tripe build.

I had a little inspection of my Camel today and joined the club btw!

"Three struts on my Camel but I'm still flying along" 😂
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 19, 2020, 06:39:17 AM
That really looks excellent Rick, I might have to commission a few masks myself for my planned Sopwith Tripe build.

I had a little inspection of my Camel today and joined the club btw!

"Three struts on my Camel but I'm still flying along" 😂

Thanks Richie. I am sorry to hear you joined our Elite Club  :( One broken was fairly easy to deal with. Try Very hard not to make it 2! If so you will need someone like Lance to help you sort it out  ::)
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: dr 1 ace on March 20, 2020, 06:24:40 AM
Continues to advance nicely Amigo !

Ed
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 20, 2020, 08:01:05 AM
Continues to advance nicely Amigo !

Ed

Thanks Amigo! I have finished using Bobs Masks for the Markings:
RAGIII


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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Alexis on March 20, 2020, 10:23:51 AM
Man , I really want to start a camel now !



Terri , who is starting to feel left out of the camel group  :'(



PS , she looks fantastic  ;)

Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 20, 2020, 10:52:12 AM
Man , I really want to start a camel now !



Terri , who is starting to feel left out of the camel group  :'(



PS , she looks fantastic  ;)

Thanks Terri. If you have a Camel in the Stash go ahead and start it. You will probably catch up at the rate you build  ::)
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: kensar on March 20, 2020, 09:51:28 PM
This looks really good, Rick.  Subtle and realistic weathering and wood grain.
Looking for that rudder now.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 21, 2020, 12:15:17 AM
This looks really good, Rick.  Subtle and realistic weathering and wood grain.
Looking for that rudder now.

Thanks Ken. I will probably do the touch up on the fin and rudder today then glue it in place. I left it off until masking and painting was done on the fuselage.
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on March 21, 2020, 04:42:55 AM
Love it Rick, really looking fantastic. So happy to have been tagging along to see this coming together. I'm going to have my bench back from tomorrow and plenty time on my hands for several months.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 21, 2020, 05:24:49 AM
Love it Rick, really looking fantastic. So happy to have been tagging along to see this coming together. I'm going to have my bench back from tomorrow and plenty time on my hands for several months.

Thanks for hanging in there on My build. Looking forward to your continuation of yours! Touched up the rudder and fin and attached.
RAGIII


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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: lone modeller on March 21, 2020, 05:25:38 AM
That is looking very very good Rick. One could never tell that you had problems with thise struts.

Terri: you need to break at least two to be in the same league as Lance!!

Stephen.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 21, 2020, 05:49:37 AM
That is looking very very good Rick. One could never tell that you had problems with thise struts.

Terri: you need to break at least two to be in the same league as Lance!!

Stephen.

Thanks Stephen! Rigging will start tomorrow. My biggest fear now is rigging that tear drop thingy in the front of the Cabanes  ::)
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: bobs_buckles on March 21, 2020, 07:12:20 AM
That is looking very very good Rick. One could never tell that you had problems with thise struts.

Terri: you need to break at least two to be in the same league as Lance!!

Stephen.

Thanks Stephen! Rigging will start tomorrow. My biggest fear now is rigging that tear drop thingy in the front of the Cabanes  ::)
RAGIII

Lance, will guide you on this  ;)

You've got this!!
vB
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Alexis on March 21, 2020, 10:02:04 AM
Lauf out loud !

You guys are fantastic  8) I can actually picture Lance jumping around - arms waving in the air ...King of the struts !

Rick , I do have a few Camels in the stash . Two Eduard kits and WNW . After the HB is finished a camel is next , but I won't have it finished before you are done with your excellent build . The teardrop does posse a challenge . Can two small holes be drilled all the through in a X pattern ? Or cut just the front off , glue lines in place , glue the front back on ? Looking forward to seeing how you tackle this . :)


Terri
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 21, 2020, 11:05:25 PM
Lauf out loud !

You guys are fantastic  8) I can actually picture Lance jumping around - arms waving in the air ...King of the struts !

Rick , I do have a few Camels in the stash . Two Eduard kits and WNW . After the HB is finished a camel is next , but I won't have it finished before you are done with your excellent build . The teardrop does posse a challenge . Can two small holes be drilled all the through in a X pattern ? Or cut just the front off , glue lines in place , glue the front back on ? Looking forward to seeing how you tackle this . :)


Terri

Thanks Terri. I have a plan but only time will tell if it works  ::) I also have alternate Plan B  ;D
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: lcarroll on March 22, 2020, 12:10:20 AM
    I'm going to have to learn to be less candid regarding my "gaffs", I'm starting to get a bit of a complex! I will say though that breaking off 3 of 4 cabanes on the WNW Camel does add a certain challenge to the Build! As for the rigging of the little "acorn device between the front cabanes, piece of cake! Just be cautious of which way the little Bu***r is facing, there is a front and a back end don't you know ....... just ask me how I know that! ??? ::)
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 22, 2020, 03:51:52 AM
    I'm going to have to learn to be less candid regarding my "gaffs", I'm starting to get a bit of a complex! I will say though that breaking off 3 of 4 cabanes on the WNW Camel does add a certain challenge to the Build! As for the rigging of the little "acorn device between the front cabanes, piece of cake! Just be cautious of which way the little Bu***r is facing, there is a front and a back end don't you know ....... just ask me how I know that! ??? ::)
Cheers,
Lance

Too Late Now Lance  :D I decided to start My rigging process with that Acorn. Figured I would get the most Feared part out of the way first. As I was proceeding to run the wires through the first time I found out I had failed to think about the fact that I was rigging from the bottom. Sooo, IT was BACKWARDS. Pulled the lines out and fixed that. Now I am pausing before I run the lines through the upper wing. Not enough Beer in Me Yet to finish it off  8)
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on March 22, 2020, 03:56:30 AM
Keep drinking Rick, I'm needing to see how to rig this troublesome acorn!😃
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 22, 2020, 04:51:22 AM
Keep drinking Rick, I'm needing to see how to rig this troublesome acorn!😃

Only 3 beers in  8) I drilled holes all of the way through the upper wing and acorn. I also drilled holes Near the struts on the upper deck. First step was attaching the lines to the holes in the deck. Then I threaded the line through the acorn. As stated earlier the first try was Backwards! Once I was ready I threaded the lines through the holes in the upper wing. When satisfied with the position of the acorn I touched the lines at the acorn with superglue. Now all that is left is the final tightening! May be a bit off but close enough for Me  ;D
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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on March 22, 2020, 04:57:13 AM
Nice solution Rick. Well played sir!👏
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 22, 2020, 05:20:41 AM
Nice solution Rick. Well played sir!👏

Still one step left before I call it a success!
RAGIII

PS: The holes in the acorn were drilled while attached to the sprue. Otherwise It would have pinged into oblivion!
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: lcarroll on March 22, 2020, 07:19:36 AM
Rick,
    The hint to drill the "acorn" while still on the sprue is a good one which I used as well. I found that doing that portion of the rigging with Modelkasten was a lot more manageable then using mono, much easier to tighten and center the acorn with the stretchable thread. Great work!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: lone modeller on March 22, 2020, 08:31:03 AM
I had a similar problem on my 1/32 Gunbus: there are two tiny rings on the top and bottom of the booms which are at the centre of cross bracing wires. I used elastic thread for those because as Lance has commented, it is easier to pull them taught and get the rings into the centre, and more importantly, the upper ring to be be directly above the lower one.

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A modeller friend whi has also made this Camel told me that he too had used elastic thread so that it was easier to centre the dear little acorn.

Stephen.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 22, 2020, 08:33:30 AM
Thanks Guys. That being said it is done. I hope to take better photos for future inclusion on the thread.
RAGIII


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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: smperry on March 22, 2020, 09:17:56 AM
Great job on the acorn. One of those on a much larger scale Camel drove me batty and didn't look nearly so good as yours. You got the hard part done now, the rest of the model should be gravy.

sp
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Alexis on March 22, 2020, 11:33:02 AM
Excellent Rick ! 8)



Terri
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: bobs_buckles on March 22, 2020, 08:28:03 PM
The boy done good!

 ::) ::) ::)

vB  ;)
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on March 22, 2020, 08:49:03 PM
Perfect!!!! Better get the pin vice and start drilling.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: kensar on March 22, 2020, 10:57:30 PM
You have met the acorn challenge.
You have mastered the strut challenge.
You must weep, for there are no new worlds to conquer.
 ;D
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on March 22, 2020, 11:00:29 PM
You have met the acorn challenge.
You have mastered the strut challenge.
You must weep, for there are no new worlds to conquer.
 ;D

😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 23, 2020, 10:50:29 AM
You have met the acorn challenge.
You have mastered the strut challenge.
You must weep, for there are no new worlds to conquer.
 ;D

😂😂😂😂

Thanks again folks! Some more photos. Gear attached and the forward double lines in place.
RAGIII



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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on March 23, 2020, 08:10:56 PM
Looks amazing! The double wires look beautifully even!

No bench time here, I'm investigating how to work by video link. This technology stuff is annoying!!!!!
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 23, 2020, 10:04:20 PM
Looks amazing! The double wires look beautifully even!

No bench time here, I'm investigating how to work by video link. This technology stuff is annoying!!!!!

Thanks Richie. The double wires aren't perfect but they are close enough! Next up is the cabane strut rigging.
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: bobs_buckles on March 23, 2020, 10:24:17 PM
Going great guns!
Nice one Rick  8)

Von B
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 24, 2020, 02:34:59 AM
Going great guns!
Nice one Rick  8)

Von B

Thanks for the encouragement von B!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: lone modeller on March 24, 2020, 05:24:19 AM
The double wires may not look good to you Rick, but they look good enough from here. Those things drove me barmy on the Gunbus and I do not normally bother in the True Scale, so kudos to you.

Stephen.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 24, 2020, 07:09:11 AM
The double wires may not look good to you Rick, but they look good enough from here. Those things drove me barmy on the Gunbus and I do not normally bother in the True Scale, so kudos to you.

Stephen.

As always thank you Stephen. You are a great support for any build!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: dr 1 ace on March 25, 2020, 05:41:22 AM
Lookin' good , almost there !


Ed
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Juan on March 25, 2020, 05:52:57 AM
Looks great Rick, looking forward to you crossing the finish line with this beauty.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 25, 2020, 06:30:39 AM
Lookin' good , almost there !


Ed

Thanks Amigo! Hopefully smooth sailing from Here!
RAGIII


Looks great Rick, looking forward to you crossing the finish line with this beauty.

Thanks Juan. I greatly appreciate your support!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Alexis on March 25, 2020, 10:30:32 AM
Now the fun begins  ;) nice tight rigging , looking good  :)



terri
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 25, 2020, 10:22:04 PM
Now the fun begins  ;) nice tight rigging , looking good  :)



terri

Thanks Terri! I always appreciate your comments!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 27, 2020, 06:28:31 AM
A very Small update. I have added the rigging to the Cabane Struts. After adding the other wires to the front side I will paint all of the rigging then go to the rear wires.

RAGIII



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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: bobs_buckles on March 27, 2020, 05:39:40 PM
Marvellous!  ;)

You're nearly there  8)

vB
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on March 27, 2020, 06:12:09 PM
Looking marvellous Rick, lovely neat job!
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 27, 2020, 10:41:35 PM
Marvellous!  ;)

You're nearly there  8)

vB

Thanks Bob! I wouldn't be this far along without your help!
RAGIII

Looking marvellous Rick, lovely neat job!

Thanks Richie! Greatly appreciated.
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: lone modeller on March 28, 2020, 03:22:49 AM
I entirely agree with Bob - an excellent model and thread.

Stephen.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 28, 2020, 04:49:22 AM
I entirely agree with Bob - an excellent model and thread.

Stephen.

Stephen, Thanks and as always I appreciate you following along!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Borsos on March 28, 2020, 09:40:17 AM
I can only repeat myself, but I really like it! It makes me even liking the Camel  ;)
Andreas
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 28, 2020, 10:21:46 AM
I can only repeat myself, but I really like it! It makes me even liking the Camel  ;)
Andreas

Thanks Andreas, Greatly appreciated! I have pretty much finished the rigging on the wings. Just need to do some wire painting on the rear wires.
RAGIII



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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Alexis on March 28, 2020, 11:16:49 AM
Fantastic work on the rigging so far , very sweet build indeed !


Terri
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: bobs_buckles on March 28, 2020, 06:59:35 PM
Fantastic work on the rigging so far , very sweet build indeed !


Terri

+1
Nearly therE!

vB  ;)
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 28, 2020, 11:04:00 PM
Fantastic work on the rigging so far , very sweet build indeed !


Terri

+1
Nearly therE!

vB  ;)


Thanks for the comments Terri and von B!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: gedmundson on March 29, 2020, 12:09:39 AM
Excellent progress Rick, this one is really shaping up into a great build.
Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 29, 2020, 07:22:12 AM
I took a break from the rigging to work some on the Copper State Pilot figure. Artists Oils to work in some flesh tone variations and gave the sidcot a base of acrylic tan.
RAGIII




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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: kensar on March 29, 2020, 07:30:31 AM
That's a face more than a mother could love.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 29, 2020, 07:52:08 AM
Excellent progress Rick, this one is really shaping up into a great build.
Cheers,
Gary

Thanks Gary!
RAGIII


That's a face more than a mother could love.

Could be worse, A face only a Mother could Love on Payday!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Alexis on March 29, 2020, 09:27:52 AM
I think I know him !  ;)


Looking good Rick  8)


Terri
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on March 29, 2020, 05:30:25 PM
So nearly done Rick, very well done too!
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on March 29, 2020, 10:37:44 PM
I think I know him !  ;)


Looking good Rick  8)


Terri

Thanks T!
RAGIII



So nearly done Rick, very well done too!



Thanks Richie. I am getting close!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on April 02, 2020, 05:53:22 AM
I am almost finished with the rigging but in the meantime I worked on Henry. The sidcot is painted and the base applied for the Leopard Skin Helmet and Gloves. The reddish primer on the boots will not look this way when finished.

RAGIII



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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on April 02, 2020, 07:06:48 AM
Henry's looking good Rick, looking forward to seeing him standing by his Camel.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on April 02, 2020, 07:38:54 AM
Henry's looking good Rick, looking forward to seeing him standing by his Camel.

Thanks Richie. Like I said the rigging is almost done. Only the control wires remain now. The kit I won on e Bay with the last of the decals I need should be here tomorrow. Hoping all is finished in a week or less.
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: lone modeller on April 02, 2020, 08:51:22 AM
Who said that he could not paint figures? Some people cannot be trusted to tell the truth....!

Stephen.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Alexis on April 02, 2020, 10:08:07 AM
Henry is shaping up very wonderful Rick . What did you use for the primer on the legs ?


Terri
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on April 02, 2020, 09:00:42 PM
Who said that he could not paint figures? Some people cannot be trusted to tell the truth....!

Stephen.

Thanks Stephen! I will never be a Master but I do enjoy trying  8)
RAGIII


Henry is shaping up very wonderful Rick . What did you use for the primer on the legs ?


Terri

Thanks Terri. The "primer" is a Valejo color. I will have to check for the exact number.
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Borsos on April 03, 2020, 04:30:35 AM
Nice progress on the figures, Rick!
Andreas
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on April 03, 2020, 05:12:09 AM
Nice progress on the figures, Rick!
Andreas


Thanks Andreas. Greatly appreciated.
RAGIII


There Be Dragons Here!
I received the Hobby Craft Camel Kit and have been successful in applying them to My Camel. (They will be replaced when Pheon releases their Camel Aces sheet) . No serial was supplied in the HC kit so I will have to do without.

RAGIII



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PS: Rigging is nearing completion  8)

PPS: A BIG THANKS to Gene who really tried hard to help me make home made versions of the Dragon Motif!
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on April 03, 2020, 06:43:18 AM
Dragons there be!  So close to completion now but can I just rewind a few pages and ask which white paint you used for the S you had to paint? Preliminary trials with MRP white over PC10 on plastic card were not great for me.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on April 03, 2020, 06:53:59 AM
Dragons there be!  So close to completion now but can I just rewind a few pages and ask which white paint you used for the S you had to paint? Preliminary trials with MRP white over PC10 on plastic card were not great for me.

Thanks Richie. The white was Tamiya XF2 flat white. Misted on first then sprayed a little heavier per Bob von Mask Masters  advice to Me! Masks were removed before the white was completely dry.

RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: lone modeller on April 03, 2020, 07:02:34 AM
This looks better with every update Rick. Not long to the finish now.

Stephen.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on April 03, 2020, 07:17:54 AM
This looks better with every update Rick. Not long to the finish now.

Stephen.

Thanks for your continued support Stephen! Greatly Appreciated. Like I said hopefully less than a week away from completion!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on April 03, 2020, 08:18:08 AM
Dragons there be!  So close to completion now but can I just rewind a few pages and ask which white paint you used for the S you had to paint? Preliminary trials with MRP white over PC10 on plastic card were not great for me.

Thanks Richie. The white was Tamiya XF2 flat white. Misted on first then sprayed a little heavier per Bob von Mask Masters  advice to Me! Masks were removed before the white was completely dry.

RAGIII

Thanks Rick, will give it a try tomorrow.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: bobs_buckles on April 03, 2020, 05:37:05 PM
I may be able to cut you the serial for the rudder.
Let me see what I can do over the weekend.
What I can say is that the serial mask, if successful, will be black with no white fringe.  My machine is good, but it ain't that good!

Carry on...

vB  ;)
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: kensar on April 03, 2020, 09:47:34 PM
This is looking great, Rick.  You're close to completion now.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on April 03, 2020, 09:58:07 PM
I may be able to cut you the serial for the rudder.
Let me see what I can do over the weekend.
What I can say is that the serial mask, if successful, will be black with no white fringe.  My machine is good, but it ain't that good!

Carry on...

vB  ;)

Thanks Bob! You are a true Gentleman!! Without your masks this one would have been semi permanently stalled! The serial number would be the icing on the cake.
RAGIII



This is looking great, Rick.  You're close to completion now.

Thanks Ken. Greatly appreciated!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on April 04, 2020, 03:30:33 AM
Rick if Von B's machine isn't successful I can try to cut some masks on the machine Mrs W just bought for me.

In fact drop me a message with your details and I'll have a bash and I will post it to you.
Do you know what the font is?

After all the help and encouragement you've given me it would be wrong not to try!

Richie
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: bobs_buckles on April 04, 2020, 03:59:40 AM
Rick if Von B's machine isn't successful I can try to cut some masks on the machine Mrs W just bought for me.

In fact drop me a message with your details and I'll have a bash and I will post it to you.
Do you know what the font is?

After all the help and encouragement you've given me it would be wrong not to try!

Richie

Go for it, Richie!
I'm still going to try this end. For future projects and all  ;)

vB
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on April 04, 2020, 04:21:29 AM
Rick if Von B's machine isn't successful I can try to cut some masks on the machine Mrs W just bought for me.

In fact drop me a message with your details and I'll have a bash and I will post it to you.
Do you know what the font is?

After all the help and encouragement you've given me it would be wrong not to try!

Richie

Go for it, Richie!
I'm still going to try this end. For future projects and all  ;)

vB

Thanks Richie and of course von Buckles. I am attaching the link to one of the drawings I have shown here before. This one shows no white outline so probably the closest I can come to font. Richie, I guess you could use your camel rudder for length and height of the required letters. As for the white outlines I can always try to hand paint around those that require outlining.The other drawings are to be seen on the Pheon Decals site and in the Osprey Camel Aces book.
RAGIII

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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: bobs_buckles on April 04, 2020, 05:32:50 AM
Yours if you want them... I couldn't resist.

To the left will give you a hint for my next build  ;)
vB


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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on April 04, 2020, 05:42:11 AM
Looks Good Von B, I may have thought of a way to do the white borders. You need to make 2 sets of stencils, one with marginally smaller characters. The rectangle they sit in needs to be the same size so they can be lined up perfectly.

Am struggling to match the typeface, sadly my vector drawing skills are non existent so can't do it that way. Will have another play tomorrow, Mrs W is wanting to see me today. :)
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on April 04, 2020, 06:09:18 AM
Yours if you want them... I couldn't resist.

To the left will give you a hint for my next build  ;)
vB


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well of course I want them von B. Let me know how much you need to get them in the mail.
RAGIII



Looks Good Von B, I may have thought of a way to do the white borders. You need to make 2 sets of stencils, one with marginally smaller characters. The rectangle they sit in needs to be the same size so they can be lined up perfectly.

Am struggling to match the typeface, sadly my vector drawing skills are non existent so can't do it that way. Will have another play tomorrow, Mrs W is wanting to see me today. :)

Richie, I appreciate the offer and if you figure it out I will take yours as well. There May be another woolett Camel build in My future!
RAGIII


Now I have to apologize to Gene for My Lack of Patience! He was working on Making decals for the Dragon Motif. Had I WAITED I would have saved Myself Money on buying the Hobby Craft kit. The Decals he made arrived today. They are Far and Away better than those from the Hobbycraft kit! He was worried about the resolution and quality  ::) They are so good I am going to remove the ones I used and use those he supplied! In addition he supplied so many extras, and in a couple of sizes, that I can build the earlier one if Rowan doesn't come out with his Camel Aces sheet. I could also think about that old Revelle 1/28th kit. So thanks Gene! This build has Truly become a representation of what This Forum Community is ALL About!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: bobs_buckles on April 04, 2020, 06:52:03 AM
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well of course I want them von B. Let me know how much you need to get them in the mail.
RAGIII

Good, then you shall have them!

Richie, there is no rectangle with this serial. It's just black with white fringe. I will leave the hand painting of the white to Rick!!  ;D ;D

Rick, when you get these, burnish some low tack tape over the rectangle, lift the mask off the backing paper and do your thang! You know this already, but I want you to observe the tiny bits in the serial  :D We don't want them going for a walk.

I will sling these in an envelope and fire them off to you on Monday. The Lord only knows how long these will take in transit, what with the World in lock-down an all. Fingers crossed they hit your fair shores in under a week.

Cheers,
BvB  8)
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on April 04, 2020, 07:57:53 AM
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well of course I want them von B. Let me know how much you need to get them in the mail.
RAGIII

Good, then you shall have them!

Richie, there is no rectangle with this serial. It's just black with white fringe. I will leave the hand painting of the white to Rick!!  ;D ;D

Rick, when you get these, burnish some low tack tape over the rectangle, lift the mask off the backing paper and do your thang! You know this already, but I want you to observe the tiny bits in the serial  :D We don't want them going for a walk.

I will sling these in an envelope and fire them off to you on Monday. The Lord only knows how long these will take in transit, what with the World in lock-down an all. Fingers crossed they hit your fair shores in under a week.

Cheers,
BvB  8)

Thanks Bob! I have painted the initial oils on the boots on the CSM figure. Just need to touch up and do a tad more shading and highlighting.
RAGIII



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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Alexis on April 04, 2020, 11:24:29 AM
His leggings are turn out pretty snazzie so far Rick , he looks good start by his mount !


Terri
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on April 04, 2020, 07:19:49 PM
With apologies I had a bit of a fail trying to copy the serial typeface, Bob's looks perfect though.

Henry is looking well dressed though!
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on April 04, 2020, 11:13:14 PM
His leggings are turn out pretty snazzie so far Rick , he looks good start by his mount !


Terri

Thanks Terri!
RAGIII
With apologies I had a bit of a fail trying to copy the serial typeface, Bob's looks perfect though.

Henry is looking well dressed though!

No problem Richie. I appreciate the effort! Thanks for the comments on Henry!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: FAf on April 04, 2020, 11:18:36 PM
Fantastic build and I must confess that I might copy a trick or two for my Pup...

I'm caught up in spring cleaning right now, but I made masks for the serial on my Pup and I had a look at your profile... Making a mask that allows you to paint the white outlines shouldn't be impossible. I'll have a try later today and let you know, even though Bob's looks fine.

/Fredrik
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on April 04, 2020, 11:20:54 PM
Fantastic build and I must confess that I might copy a trick or two for my Pup...

I'm caught up in spring cleaning right now, but I made masks for the serial on my Pup and I had a look at your profile... Making a mask that allows you to paint the white outlines shouldn't be impossible. I'll have a try later today and let you know, even though Bob's looks fine.

/Fredrik

Thanks Fredrik! I greatly appreciate all of the help offered on this build as I said before!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: lone modeller on April 05, 2020, 02:35:52 AM
Henry looks absolutely super Rick. Come to that the Camel does not look to bad either...!

Stephen.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on April 05, 2020, 03:22:35 AM
Henry looks absolutely super Rick. Come to that the Camel does not look to bad either...!

Stephen.

Thanks Stephen, Greatly appreciated!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: FAf on April 05, 2020, 11:54:06 PM
Hello again!

I've made some tests based on the photo you have on page 7 (https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=10771.msg199529#msg199529). When you zoom in on that it looks like only the D and 2 have white outlines. It also looks like the 6 sits right on top of the blue/white border, as does the 0 but on the white/red border.

It's doable, but it's a bit tricky and I would suggest painting it before you have attached the rudder... Take a look at these pictures of my test run and let me know if you would like to try and use my masks.

I copied my Camel rudder onto a piece of plasticard. Again from the image, it looks like the white band is slightly wider so I went with that. The painting is done in two stages. First you would paint white where I used red.
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Then you remove the inner mask - this was what Richie was referring to - and then place the second mask inside the outerbox. One should wait longer so that the paint dries... I rushed this a lot, hence the paintlift on the D, but the 2 came out alright.
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Take care!
Fredrik

Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on April 06, 2020, 12:12:53 AM
Yes of course I would like to try. As I said between what Bob has done, the Dragon Markings from Gene, and now your stencils I think there will be another Woolett Camel in My future. Same aircraft with earlier squadron markings.
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on April 06, 2020, 05:54:53 AM
So moving along: Almost all of the rigging is complete. Just lack the lower ailerons being installed then rigging both the upper and lower ailerons. I also need to paint the remaining tail rigging and what I add. Some serious touch up is needed on most of the airframe. I also began to play with the display base. All is just posed in place in the photos!
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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on April 06, 2020, 06:11:24 AM
Looks great, can't see where even any minor touch ups are required on the airframe let alone serious ones! Love the display base.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on April 06, 2020, 06:45:25 AM
Looks great, can't see where even any minor touch ups are required on the airframe let alone serious ones! Love the display base.

As always Thanks for your comment and support. I can see every glitch in the finish  8) By the way, I am very Happy that My Post Image account seems to be fixed from the Hacking it suffered a couple of weeks ago!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on April 06, 2020, 08:55:14 AM
Spots!
RAGIII



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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: smperry on April 06, 2020, 10:39:05 AM
Spot on Rick.
It is all looking real good. Bases and figures have both been issues with me. You and others here are motivating me to learn more.
sp
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: FAf on April 06, 2020, 03:44:14 PM
I agree with SP above - spot on - but also his comment on inspiration... You made me try figure painting with this build. Thanks for that! /Fredrik
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on April 06, 2020, 09:38:31 PM
Spot on Rick.
It is all looking real good. Bases and figures have both been issues with me. You and others here are motivating me to learn more.
sp

Thanks SP! Like I said, I enjoy the figures even if I am not a Master. The base in this case is just going to be the section of Mat glued in place. Try it, what do you have to lose  ;D
RAGIII

I agree with SP above - spot on - but also his comment on inspiration... You made me try figure painting with this build. Thanks for that! /Fredrik

Thanks Fredrik! I have always said that if My Modeling inspires someone then My Purpose in posting has neen accomplished.
EAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: lone modeller on April 07, 2020, 05:44:41 AM
The face of that figure looks really good. The tones are just right - something I have never been able to achieve.

Nothing wrong with the base Rick - something quick and simple - after all it is only background to what is going to be (another) first class model.

Stephen.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on April 07, 2020, 09:51:30 AM
The face of that figure looks really good. The tones are just right - something I have never been able to achieve.

Nothing wrong with the base Rick - something quick and simple - after all it is only background to what is going to be (another) first class model.

Stephen.

Thanks Stephen. As always I appreciate your support!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Alexis on April 07, 2020, 10:07:49 AM
I like the spots Rick , she is really starting to come together wonderfully . Camel is also looking very sweet as well . Looking forward to seeing her button up !


Terri
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on April 07, 2020, 10:08:12 PM
I like the spots Rick , she is really starting to come together wonderfully . Camel is also looking very sweet as well . Looking forward to seeing her button up !


Terri

Thanks T! Greatly appreciated.
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on April 08, 2020, 04:16:55 AM
Great figure painting, those leopard spots are great. You must have the eyes of a hawk to do them so well.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on April 08, 2020, 06:15:17 AM
Great figure painting, those leopard spots are great. You must have the eyes of a hawk to do them so well.

Thanks Richie. No My eyesight is more like a blind Bat. Just use good Magnifying glasses and lots of Beer  8)
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on April 08, 2020, 08:24:37 AM
These should be close to the last build photos. I have finished all of the rigging and painted it a steel color. All that is left is adding smoke and mirror Turnbuckles where appropriate and final weathering, rigging, and clear coat/s.
RAGIII



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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Radarman on April 08, 2020, 12:15:30 PM
RAGIII,
This has been a fun build to watch come together.

                           Thanks for the great show,
                                               Kevin
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: FAf on April 08, 2020, 03:30:13 PM
It's a very beautiful build! Inspiring!
/Fredrik
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on April 08, 2020, 09:24:02 PM
Great result, it's been great to see this come together. Looking forward to the next project already.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: kensar on April 08, 2020, 10:12:53 PM
I really like this, Rick.  The base really sets it off, too.
Great job!
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Jorgo on April 09, 2020, 03:03:57 AM
An excellent model and thread. Thank you Rick!

Jörg
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Borsos on April 09, 2020, 05:58:14 AM
A great model Rick, in all aspects. I really like it.
Andreas
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: PrzemoL on April 09, 2020, 07:51:28 AM
A truly fine Camel model. One to be proud of, Rick.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on April 09, 2020, 08:01:44 AM
Thanks for all of the Positive comments Guys! This will be the last photo of the figure before all is put together on the base. Major painting is done. Just a tiny bit of touch up and shading and a wee bit on the goggles.
RAGIII



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Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on April 12, 2020, 08:35:14 AM
The last Teaser before the completed Models section:
RAGIII


(https://i.postimg.cc/K8Bmgtm8/92827964-3518570331503347-6359985647771451392-o.jpg)
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RichieW on April 13, 2020, 12:29:04 AM
Love it Rick, those leopard spot gloves look so real and full of texture. The final reveal must be close, looking forward to it!
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: Europapete on April 13, 2020, 12:31:54 AM
Well done Rick, beautiful build. Regards, Pete in RI
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on April 13, 2020, 09:09:19 AM
Thanks Richie and Pete! The Model is now in the Completed section:

https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=10990.0


Thanks to all who followed along and especially to those who offered and gave their assistance!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: lone modeller on April 14, 2020, 02:43:28 AM
Brilliant Rick. I am off to have a better look...

Stephen.
Title: Re: WNW Sopwith Camel: 43 Squadron RAF with Copperstate Figure:
Post by: RAGIII on April 18, 2020, 06:35:25 AM
Brilliant Rick. I am off to have a better look...

Stephen.

Well Stephen I missed your response until Now! Thanks as always for following and your support!
RAGIII