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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: uncarina on November 29, 2019, 06:49:07 AM
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Want to get an idea of how to assemble a Swiss watch? By a Wingnut Wings kit! I'm building the Hannover Cl.II early version, "White 4" Royal Prussian Schusta 12.
(https://i.imgur.com/qxN7AAO.jpg)
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As with most WWI subjects, colors are an open topic, and WNW interprets this aircraft as having the lower lozenge pattern on the upper wings, with plain linen underneath. The kit contains decals for this, but they don't quite match the lower lozenge pattern on the lower surfaces:
(https://i.imgur.com/R4DhpAN.jpg)
The lozenge third from the bottom is the WNW interpretation, but they aren't a match for the lower surface lozenge pattern just below. Inspired by the Aviattic decal sets that have come out for the WNW Halberstadt CL.II (Early) kit which also have the lower lozenge pattern on the upper wing surfaces, I went ahead and purchased one of their lower lozenge sheets. I will cut these using the kit decals as a template and use the WNW ribtapes. I also have Ray Rimell's excellent build guide, where he assembles the same aircraft but with a different interpretation of the lozenge pattern. All good! Having had such success with the water-based oils made by DecoArt for my Sopwith Camel build (RFI coming hopefully soon), I used these on this build as well:
(https://i.imgur.com/8wuIPzo.jpg)
They function just like oils for simulating wood but dry as fast as acrylics and clean up with water. Thanks to Mike (Sandbagger) Norris for the tip! Here is where I am so far with the build:
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(https://i.imgur.com/2Zz5PFA.jpg)
Cheers, Tom
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More progress: I closed the fuselage halves and began painting. I started with the underside of the fuselage, which has a speculative finish, according to the WNW instructions. Their interpretation is a series of transverse bands of the alternating five colors of the painted lozenge that is on the non-linen surfaces. Since this was not carved in stone, and without evidence to the contrary, I replicated the lozenge pattern for the underside painted surfaces. My first attempt was painting and masking with irregular lozenge shapes each of the five colors, which was suboptimal since I underestimated the size of each lozenge shape, and because it created a noticeable layering effect, resulting in the first colors appearing sunken. My second attempt used a lozenge pattern that I cut onto Tamiya masking tape, with each color labeled:
(https://i.imgur.com/VgJZbam.jpg)
I used Tamiya colors matched to the kit decals, and here the first color is ready to be applied. Eventually, and with significant touching up (meanwhile I was getting used to a new airbrush), I achieved this result:
(https://i.imgur.com/vkPqBuf.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/twWZklA.jpg)
Photographs indicate that the fuselage sides and top were also painted with a lozenge pattern, then overcoated forward of the tailplane/rudder with Prussian blue. Because of this, I won't be replicating the entire pattern, but instead I plan to add the lozenge colors that are lighter and darker than the overcoat. To be continued!
Cheers, Tom
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I take a front row seat here. :)
This one is on top of my wish list and I already have the Windsock Special...it's a start. :-\
Ingeneous lozenge masking!
Robin
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Very nice so far. Your painted lozenge looks great. I also very much like your wood grain with the water based oils. Do they give you plenty of working time to develop a grain pattern?
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Fantastic start Tom, looking forward to your progress.
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Very well done indeed ! :)
Terri
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Thanks to all of you for your support and encouragement! This is my first actual work in progress, and please feel free to offer your perspective and advice.
Sincerely, Tom
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Very nice so far. Your painted lozenge looks great. I also very much like your wood grain with the water based oils. Do they give you plenty of working time to develop a grain pattern?
Albert, thank you! The acrylic oils do dry so fast that a slightly different approach is needed (I use a broader flat brush for larger surfaces) However, they can be easily cleaned up with water and reapplied. This is my second build using them and I won’t hesitate to recommend them.
Cheers, Tom
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Beautiful start and absolutely marvelous job with the painted lozenge! /Fredrik
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Very nice so far. Your painted lozenge looks great. I also very much like your wood grain with the water based oils. Do they give you plenty of working time to develop a grain pattern?
Albert, thank you! The acrylic oils do dry so fast that a slightly different approach is needed (I use a broader flat brush for larger surfaces) However, they can be easily cleaned up with water and reapplied. This is my second build using them and I won’t hesitate to recommend them.
Cheers, Tom
Thank you Tom. My local art supply store has some water based oils. I'll pick up a couple of tubes and give it a try.
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Will follow your build, Tom: Great, so far!
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A really great looking start Tom, the interior work is extremely "clean" and the details very impressive. Interesting work on the painted lozenge as well, the masking must have given you fits however it's well worth the effort looking at the results before the over coat. I have this Kit and admit to being somewhat deterred from starting when considering the fuselage painted lozenge, this is a Build I'll be following with great interest. Keep up the terrific work, this is going to be a spectacular model!
Cheers,
Lance
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Thanks for your encouragement! I have learned a lot from following your builds and those of the others on this fine forum, and in fact it has been an inspiration for this build. The lozenge work was challenging indeed, but one of the things I love about modelling this genre is how it has compelled me to try many new techniques. I am very curious to see how the painted lozenge will integrate with the decals. In the meantime, I am cutting out patterns for the more subdued side and upper lozenge. Once I’ve added this, I will add the decals and lightly overspray the mottled Prussian blue.
Cheers, Tom
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Amazing work, Tom - I'm following with keen interest indeed. I have two of the older kits in the stash and your build will certainly help me figure out this tricky painting step for when I attempt mine.
Cheers,
Gary
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Gary,
You are very kind! I’m sort of making it up as I go, so there are probably better approaches!
Cheers, Tom
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Excellent work so far.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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I did the exact same method when I built mine.
It is time consuming, but what I would say is you don’t need to be too fussy in tidying up the lozenge as once you overpaint it pretty much disappears and you are just left with a faint outline of what went before.
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Outstanding work on the masking and painting of the lozenge! Your interior is stunning.
RAGIII
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Excellent work so far.
Ciao
Giuseppe
Thanks Giuseppe! I hope to keep my momentum.
Cheers, Tom
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I did the exact same method when I built mine.
It is time consuming, but what I would say is you don’t need to be too fussy in tidying up the lozenge as once you overpaint it pretty much disappears and you are just left with a faint outline of what went before.
That’s good to know! Yes, I am counting on that for the fuselage sides and top: just enough to know it’s there without having to repeat what I did on the bottom. In fact, I have cut out a series of lozenge shaped holes in masking tape and am now placing and spraying each individually. As I mentioned, I am painting only the colors that are lighter and darker than the Prussian blue overspray as a shortcut.
Cheers, Tom
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Outstanding work on the masking and painting of the lozenge! Your interior is stunning.
RAGIII
Thank you! You are very kind. I am continually inspired by the work you and the other modellers contribute on this forum.
Cheers, Tom
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There are acrylic drying retarders available. Not sure if they will work with acrylic oils. A knowledgeable art supply store can tell you the correct product to use.
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That might be worth a try. My workaround has been to work fast with a broad brush!
Cheers, Tom
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After a four year hiatus I've decided to pick this one up again. Since my last post I've added the painted lozenge for the fuselage sides and top, but not as meticulously as the lower surface since it was lightly painted over in the dark color, along with the "01" on each side. I've also ordered the Aviattic five color alternative lower lozenge pattern for upper surfaces, and I will start working on the wings as I finish up my current build.
(https://i.imgur.com/SxB0KJM.jpg)
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Cheers, Tom
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Hi Tom,
The 'DecoArt' oil paints are good.
You could try, if you've done so already, the 'Windsor & Newton' Alkyd oil paints.
As usual brush on, then thin out with white spirits or odorless thinners and leave to dry.
Not as fast drying as the 'DecoArts' oils, but much quicker than standard oil paints,
Mike
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Thanks Mike, I haven’t worked with them yet and will try them out.
Cheers, Tom
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Lovely paint work!
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Thank you! I’m really looking forward to seeing this build through.
Cheers, Tom
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Beautiful work Tom. Glad to see you have picked this up again. Looking forward to seeing more.
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Thank you Tim! I appreciate your encouragement. As I finish up my current build I will be starting on the wings and tailplanes next.
Cheers, Tom
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Hi Tom, as a relative newbie to the forum I missed the first parts of this build log, but I wanted to chime in and say what a beautiful job you've done thus far. I pretty much missed the boat on the whole WnW phenomenon, but have been lucky enough to pick up some odds 'n ends here and there... one of which was this kit. So I'll be taking notes, and looking forward to watching the progress you make!
All best,
Dutch
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Thank you Dutch! I appreciate your support and encouragement. Those water-based oils are a real gamechanger since their drying time is so much more rapid than conventional oils, yet can also be easily cleaned up. I’m looking forward to adding the lozenges and painted surfaces to the wings and tailplanes next.
Cheers, Tom
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I also didn't see the early part of the build (I'll go back to that) but this is looking really good and looks like it will be a stunner when done.
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Thank you Nigel! I hope I can do a good job to the finish line. Loving your Aviattic build by the way.
Cheers, Tom
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I really like this build! The scheme is very unique and eye-catching - you did some amazing work so far :)
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Thank you Nigel! I hope I can do a good job to the finish line. Loving your Aviattic build by the way.
Thanks! And having read through your thread on the Hannover, I agree with you about the underside. I cannot for the life of me see why they would go to the trouble of using hex camouflage and then change to stripes in the same colours on the underside.
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The overpainting looks beautiful and subtle. This will be a beautiful bird.
Looking forward to the end result!
Cheers,
Willem
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I really like this build! The scheme is very unique and eye-catching - you did some amazing work so far :)
Thank you so much!
Cheers, Tom
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Thank you Nigel! I hope I can do a good job to the finish line. Loving your Aviattic build by the way.
Thanks! And having read through your thread on the Hannover, I agree with you about the underside. I cannot for the life of me see why they would go to the trouble of using hex camouflage and then change to stripes in the same colours on the underside.
I’m glad I’m not the only one to think this!
Cheers, Tom
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The overpainting looks beautiful and subtle. This will be a beautiful bird.
Looking forward to the end result!
Cheers,
Willem
Thank you Willem!
Cheers, Tom