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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => WW1 Aircraft Information/Questions => Topic started by: RLWP on October 26, 2019, 09:04:20 AM

Title: Breguet R.U1 'Tin Whistle'
Post by: RLWP on October 26, 2019, 09:04:20 AM

I'm trying to pick this one apart, and looking for some information at the same time. Mostly for curiosity, it may lead to a model - who knows

There are a whole bunch of apparently similar aeroplanes laid out nicely on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%C3%A9guet_Type_IV (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%C3%A9guet_Type_IV)

One of these types, and I'm not sure how many, was in service with the RFC before the Great War. This/these gained the nickname 'Tin Whistle', probably based on the similarity between the silver aeroplane and cheap musical toys.

I'm trying to understand if the RFC version had the Salmson Canton-Unné engine, and if it was an open three seater like the example in the Musée des Arts et Métiers in Paris:

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%C3%A9guet_Type_IV#/media/File:Avion_biplan_Breguet_1911.jpg) (from Wikipedia)

Or if it was a two seater

Has anyone got further information, and possibly a drawing?

Richard

Title: Re: Breguet R.U1 'Tin Whistle'
Post by: Dave Brewer on October 26, 2019, 12:58:07 PM

This is fascinating Richard,I hope you can develop a model-Des would have loved this subject.

Title: Re: Breguet R.U1 'Tin Whistle'
Post by: RLWP on October 26, 2019, 10:58:01 PM

I've browsed 'Britain's First Warplanes' (J.M Bruce, 1987) and found the following aeroplanes

202 Breguet B3/L1 60hp Renault, then 85hp Salmson. Open cockpit

210 Breguet G3 100hp Gnome. Open cockpit

211 Breguet G3 100hp Gnome. Open cockpit

212 Breguet L2 70hp Renault then 85hp Salmson. Faired cockpit. This aeroplane also has a spinner and enclosed Salmson engine

213 Breguer L2 70ho Renault. Open cockpit

The closest to the aeroplane in Paris is probably number 202 when rebuilt

(https://live.staticflickr.com/902/40905119414_2c64135873_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25jDqTy)A Breguet biplane Type R-U1 shown on an early card exposited in the Conservatoire des Arts et des Métiers in Paris [France, 1911] (https://flic.kr/p/25jDqTy) by Kees Kort (https://www.flickr.com/photos/varese2002/), on Flickr

Richard

Title: Re: Breguet R.U1 'Tin Whistle'
Post by: S.BREGUET on November 03, 2019, 11:36:15 PM

 Hello Richard,

Could you send me your mail adress ? I will send you with WeTransfert some scans from book  "Les avions Breguet "writing by Henry LACAZE. I hope you speak french !
You'll find many answers to your questions and some drawings in this book .

Stéphane BREGUET

Title: Re: Breguet R.U1 'Tin Whistle'
Post by: RLWP on November 04, 2019, 03:03:13 AM

That's very interesting - I have sent you a PM

Richard

Title: Re: Breguet R.U1 'Tin Whistle'
Post by: S.BREGUET on November 06, 2019, 06:54:04 AM

 I found this post about a type III scratchbuilt.

http://www.internetmodeler.com/2007/august/aviation/Breguet.php (http://www.internetmodeler.com/2007/august/aviation/Breguet.php)
you are lucky , it's not in french as the documents send  ;D

Title: Re: Breguet R.U1 'Tin Whistle'
Post by: RLWP on November 06, 2019, 07:12:41 AM

What a pretty thing

And thank you so much for your help Stéphane

Richard