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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: Bughunter on September 09, 2019, 06:50:50 AM
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Very nice start on this one, Frank.
Andreas
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Great choice Frank, another beauty in the process.
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Old decals or not and maybe an ocean of Micro Sol...the result looks great. :)
Robin
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Great!
I will follow this one as mine is also on going.
Unfortunately due to home relocation I could not post any pics nor study the datafile
Great idea with the struts switch. Too late for my built..either way I will stay tuned with your thread.
regards
K
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Great start. You have worked wonders with those Old Decals!
RAGIII
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Nice! I think one day I will also build a W4, so I will be watching this one. Is this an early version or late version? (the early version has the radiators on the sides of the fuselage).
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Thank you Andreas, Juan, Robin, K, Rick and Ken. I hope I will not disappoint you with this project!
Rick, you managed it again to miss not an update of a build report, even a new project :D
Is this an early version or late version? (the early version has the radiators on the sides of the fuselage).
I decided for the 964, so it is middle one. The earlier are 747 with different floats, and late 14xx 15xx.
The kit allows 954, 964 and a earlier 786.
The same kit was also once released by Gavia with different decals allowing 958, 1512 and 1486, but I don't own that one.
I was able to do the wings this weekend, I will post a update soon.
Cheers,
Frank
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Good to see a floatplane being built for a change. Those floats have taken some work but the results are first class - as usual with your models Frank. I will be following tis with interest as I do have a soft spot for floaty things - they have an appeal of their own.
Stephen.
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Great choice Frank. This aircraft has always appealed to me and I'd like to do a conversion in 1:32 Scale some day so I'll follow this Build with great interest. It's already showing the exceptional quality you bring to all of your Builds, the decal work is excellent!
Cheers,
Lance
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Nice!
Everybody needs a floatplane.
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The wings look Fantastic as we would expect from you Frank!
RAGIII
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Excellent subject , don't see this one built very often ...following along :o
Terri
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Superb painting and decal work, Frank, and your treatment of the ailerons is outstanding!
Cheers,
Bud
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Outstanding work!
With some tricks that everyone of us may use for next projects.
The W.4 was a beautiful seaplane and your work will delight us.
Cheers,
Roberto
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Thank you for your comments Lance, Ken, Rick, Terri, Bud and Roberto!
Is this an early version or late version? (the early version has the radiators on the sides of the fuselage).
Ken, I mentioned the serial numbers last time, but I want to point out more major differences between the 5 (ore more) production batches (additionally there are some prototypes):
- single or twin machine guns
- side radiator or airfoil radiator
- ailerons only on upper wings or also on lower
- various shapes of floats due to damages
- different paintings and camouflage fabric applications
Everybody needs a floatplane.
You have already a floatplane. And what a floaplane that is, a winning one! 8)
SCNR
Cheers,
Frank
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Super job Frank,
(As always)
Guy
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Yes, there are numerous 'versions' of the W4. I have done a little research already and they were constantly changing and improving it.
( I need another floatplane ;) )
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All good model collections need both floatplanes and flying boats! Not to mention some pushers!!
I really like the markings Frank, and the extra details on the ailerons are taking this model to the usual very high standards that I associate with all of your models.
Stephen.
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Frank,
I've been meaning to order some gold of this product for the same purpose. I've used the chrome and matte Aluminum versions and like them a lot, it might provide a solution if given a coat of clear or flat satin once applied.
https://www.bare-metal.com/bare-metal-foil.html
Cheers,
Lance
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That seat cushion looks real Frank! Wonderful sculpting there. The propelloer also looks fabulous (and by the way I like a nice behind too!) I cannot comment on the brass tip because I have no experience of this but you could try Lance's idea.
Stephen.
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This would be a good application for Bare Metal Foil. I have used a lot of it for car modeling.
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The prop is amazing as always. I absolutely love the seat and cushion. Your builds are always great to follow along with and learn from!
RAGIII
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Great detail Frank, love what you have done with both the seat and propeller.
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Great stuff as always, Frank. I also would go with masking and painting the brass propeller tips. Your seat and cushion look fantastic. Maybe some careful highlighting with grey tones to show off all the beautifully sculpted wrinkles?
Best regards
Andreas
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Outstanding work on the fuselage, tail surfaces, and the interior painting...of course we expect No Less from you 8)
RAGIII
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Frank,
I suspect the gold version of the Bare Metal Foil will be very bright and shiny however some subtle work with grey or almost black "filters" might do the trick. I really like the results you produced with the silver experiment, it looks very good! I'll be following closely to see how this works for you.
Cheers,
Lance
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Seat cushion- perfect...Prop-perfect...Foil better then painting I think, might try a slightly thicker foil or very thin lead foil, like from a champagne bottle cap....
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Lance, the foil is ordered.
In your big scale real brass should be possible. The result of Proper plane looks great:
(https://properplane.com/image/cache/catalog/Product/Proper_Plane_Gotha_UWD_11-1000x500.jpg)
See here:
https://properplane.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=70_59&product_id=122
But an extra $25 (for a pair) is not just a little bit ::)
Prop-perfect...
Nearly, I was surprised by the heavy grain on one side in the dark wood. It was not visible on the outside of the veneer, but wood is a product made by nature, so you will never know before what you will get ;)
Foil better then painting I think, might try a slightly thicker foil or very thin lead foil, like from a champagne bottle cap....
So with thicker foil it was hard to close it and bring it to the multiple curves of the blade. Other material has to be painted to brass again. The bare metal foil has the big advantage of easy cutting with sharp scalpel on the object.
An in 1/48 the blade tip is not very big as it looks on the macro picture ???
Cheers,
Frank
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Also take note, the Bare Metal foil will show the wood grain through it, so smooth off the area that it will be applied. You could fill in the grain with clear varnish rather than sanding it smooth.
:)
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Frank,
I have a package of the product below and the .001 and even .002 mm stock looks to me like it might work in 1:48 as well.
http://www.ksmetals.com/30.html
You can find the product under "Metal Sheets" on the side menu, Stock #258 Brass Shim. As you'll see there's 4 Gauges included. I used to see it a lot in Hobby Shops here in Canada.
The advantage of the Bare Metal Foil would be the adhesive which should make it far easier to apply. The proper Plane "boots" look excellent, this is going to take some experimenting!
Cheers,
Lance
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You could fill in the grain with clear varnish rather than sanding it smooth.
Yes Ken, I use normally a clear wood primer to fill it.
The german word "Schnellschleifgrundierung" means "quick sanding primer":
(https://www.clou-shop.eu/images/thumbnail/produkte/medium/1825_0.jpg)
Source: clou-shop.eu
The broken experimental prop used yesterday was not a nice example ::)
Thank you Lance for another hint.
I really like the discussion of such technical issues here. Thank you very much for your great support!
Cheers,
Frank
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Outstanding work as always....!
Cheers
Hans
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That is an amazing piece of work and testament to your attention to detail!
RAGIII
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What a clever idea, dear fellow ;D
All the best
Andreas
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Super work on this, Frank!
vB ;)
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Thank you my friends!
In mean time the golden foil arrived. I noticed, that is still an alu foil but plated or painted in this golden tone. So I'm not sure yet if I will use it or not.
Cheers,
Frank
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Brillant !
Terri
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Your detail work and painting Never fail to amaze Me Frank! Beautiful work!
RAGIII
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Stunning detail Frank :D
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Love your detailing 8)
Terri
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... And you wonder why yours take longer than mine! :o
Fabulous work Frank.
Guy
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Fine detailing, Frank. No doubt your additions will make an immense improvement to the kit.
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Once again you are demonstrating your incredible modelling skills. The cockpit details are as usual stunning.
Stephen.
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What a pity so much of that superb detail will not be easily seen (or even seen at all!)
Looking forward to the details you are going to add to the engine.
Stephen.
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Really nice wood tones Frank
Terri
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Gorgeous details Frank. Looks awesome with all in place!
RAGIII
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Fantastic progress, Frank!
Andreas
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Watching with interest. Your detailing always amazes!
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Mindblowing work, Frank. Your details are so delicate, I just have to watch them life next year in Wilnsdorf.
Bye,
Manni
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So I assume you are going to use the Vector engine? Hope it fits in the fuse!
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Yes Ken, the Vector is a beauty!
I show here one subassembly after the other, but in real I built more in parallel. So I had an eye on the engine already during the work on the fuelage to make sure it fits.
Preparing the next update ...
Cheers,
Frank
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Congratulations on this gem, Frank! Uncredible sparkplugs and ignition wires, also the tank is a nice idea!
Highest regards
Jörg
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How do you do this Frank? The details simpley leave e without words.... and I think that I will give up modelling and take up reading or something similar.
Stephen.
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Your engine looks amazing as always Frank. Really liking this build a lot!
RAGIII
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Beautiful and inspiring! :)
Robin
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Ok, now I see what you were talking about in Augsburg... you are a mad man, Frank, an impressing mad man! I can’t wait to see the Albatros finished — so sad that so much of the engine is covered up by the fuselage parts.
Andreas
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I was missing most of this wonderful build, I'm always amazed by the number and perfection of the tiny details you pack in your planes.
And now looking forward to the complete Alby-boat.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Thank you Jörg, Stephen, Rick, Robin, Andreas and Giuseppe! Your words mean a lot to me.
Uncredible sparkplugs and ignition wires
Even if the ignition wires are made of copper, the engine will not start!
How do you do this Frank?
With good light under my roof-light, tweezers, a lot of patience, good music and thin copper wire from a silicone cable 8)
.... and I think that I will give up modelling
Stephen, PLEASE DO NOT, I will miss your great scratch builds!
Andreas, good to know that you are back at home safely. It was nice to meet you.
And now looking forward to the complete Alby-boat.
It looks like a big progress, but there is still a lot on the ToDo list. And the wood on the fuselage will need some time, if I do this with oils. May be I'm trying wood decals for the first time, which are in ma stash already for a looong time.
Cheers,
Frank
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Really impressive details as always Frank! That Tank is awesome. Looks great attached to the floats!!!!
RAGIII
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Wonderful! Just when I thought I was catching up...you take another leap forward....darn! ;D
Robin
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She is looking mighty pretty Frank ;)
Terri
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Looks great Frank...
Guy
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That is a real shame that so much of your wonderful handiwork is now permanently hidden. I really do think that you should mould half of the fuselage in clear plastic so that observers can see and appreciate properly your modelling skills.
Stephen.
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Thank you to all of you!
Wonderful! Just when I thought I was catching up...you take another leap forward....darn! ;D
I should wait to gather more information from your build!
That is a real shame that so much of your wonderful handiwork is now permanently hidden.
Stephen, that's why I'm doing build reports! So the whole world and me can see later what is inside 8) May be I should build another Vector engine on a wooden frame and put it in front of the model, like my Benz Bz.IV (https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=10076).
Not much progress, started to sand the fuelage and removed details outside.
Cheers,
Frank
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I am far from being convinced that this is all correct what I did, but maybe it‘s a little help:
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=7155.0
Andreas
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Thanks Andreas!
Do you restored the pictures again? I was checking this thread some days ago, but there were no pics (may be it was a issue with my tablet).
Cheers,
Frank
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They should work, besides of the quoted pics that keep their photobucket link in them.
Andreas
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They should work, besides of the quoted pics that keep their photobucket link in them.
Andreas
Just a Note here. Photobucket screwed us again and now the photos are out of Focus as well as having the PB watermark...Unless you have paid the "Ransom"
RAGIII
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They should work, besides of the quoted pics that keep their photobucket link in them.
Andreas
Just a Note here. Photobucket screwed us again and now the photos are out of Focus as well as having the PB watermark...Unless you have paid the "Ransom"
RAGIII
So true. But I moved all the photos to ubload.de and fixed the links. Only the original photobucket links which are in a quote remain unchanged, as I cannot change another forum members post. These pics are out of focus and watermarked as I will never pay photobucket just a penny...
Andreas
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At first glance, I wasn't overly enthousiastic about it, but I wasn't sure why.
What I did....I downloaded the K04wood photo and opened it in paint....
Reduced the size to the real size....checked by holding my D.II fuselage in front of the photo. Same size, so that's handy.
And guess what? Now it looks great! :)
Robin.
Edit: people without a matching fuselage....the 1 cm cutting mat grid does it also of course.
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Frank,
Shocking and sobering news! Best wishes to your wife for a rapid and full recovery and to you encouragement to do all you can to help, which I know you will do. Such accidents are a grim warning of the importance of good health in our lives and those of our families, I am so grateful that it wasn't worse!
Take the time you need and your "Albie Zur See" will be there when you again have time.
Lance
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Frank, sorry to hear about your wife.
Take good care of her...the work bench can wait.
All the best,
Robin
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Sorry to read the shocking news of your wife Frank. I sincerely hope that she will make a complete recovery - physically and mentally - the shock alone can be very damaging. Modelling can resume when the priorities have been dealt with - we will still be here waiting for you.
Stephen.
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Very sad to here this Frank . I wish your wife a full speedy recovery . Bench time can wait.
Terri
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Oh no, what horrible news from your wife. I keep my fingers crossed for a quick recovery.
All the best
Andreas
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Sorry to hear that Frank,
All the best...
Guy
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Like the others I am sorry to hear of your wifes accident! My best for a speedy recovery.
RAGIII
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Thank you very much for your compassionate words!
Have a nice weekend,
Frank
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Nice masking and painting! The wood portions really pop out against the grey and the green! /Fredrik
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Looking fantastic Frank. :D
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Sorry for the bad news, I wish your wife a speedy and full recovery.
The last details and paintwork are beautiful, and an excellent reference for who is going to build the same, old kit.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Stunning work as always Frank!
RAGIII
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Frank i wish your wife all the best and a hopefully speedy & full recovery!
The last wooden tone looks Spot on!
Cheers
Hans
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Looks great Frank. :)
Robin
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Progress will be slow, but constant dripping wears the stone
Wow! that's my personal motto...雨垂れ石を穿つ!
I have it embroidered on the back of my iaido hakama. :)
Looks wonderful Frank!
Robin :)
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Hi!
Your modelling skills is an high rate, pleasure for the eyes.
Keep following your next steps.
Roberto
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She is fantastic Frank , really shaping ou wonderful so far . :)
Terri
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Krasses Teil!
Outstanding build, Frank. I am allwasy deep impressed of your incredible skills. Perfect detailing, decaling, painting and wood painting.
Bye,
Manni
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Nice, Frank. Its coming together beautifully.
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Thank you Robin, Roberto, Terri, Manni and Ken! That means a lot for me.
Wow! that's my personal motto...雨垂れ石を穿つ!
We say in german "Steter Tropfen höhlt den Stein" what means the dripping hollow out the stone, as you can see in nature.
Cheers,
Frank
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Lovely Frank!
Guy
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Catching up Frank after being away. This is simply wonderful - I really like the contrasting colours of the markings, lozenge, wood etc., not to mention the shape of the floatplane. In all a superb piece of modelling - and those extra tiny details.... your trade mark!
Stephen.
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Awesome Frank. That boat is going to be a gem!
Andreas
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Thank you for explaining your process Frank- that is very clear and extremely useful. I am considering another large build and may have to use turnbuckles on the model for the first time when I do finally start - this will be an extremely useful reference. I am sure many others will also appreciate this post.
Stephen.
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Thumbs up, Frank. Great progress.
Andreas
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That is a stunning bit of rigging Frank! Really taking shape!!
RAGIII
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Terrific attention to detail! I never really noticed the piping from the radiators!
RAGIII
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Very crisp looking radiators and I just love those new brass faucets!
/Fredrik
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Love those details Frank ! :)
Terri
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Hi!
Everytime I need to take back my mouth from the ground....
Nothing more to say than "fantastic".
Roberto
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Amazing details, Frank. I love it!
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Wonderful progress you made and I love the added (tiny) details. :)
Robin
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Jawdropping details, Frank! The pipeing of the radiator is just crazy. Absolutely outstanding work!
Chapeau,
Manni
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Like I always say about your builds, AMAZING details!
RAGIII
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How you can work with such tiny parts and still keep everything aligned and square is beyond me. I am lost for words to describe what I think and feel about this one Frank.
Stephen.
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Excellent detail work, Frank!
Amazing :o
vB
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Bassd scho. ;D
Andreas
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This is 1/16th scale, right? Mind boggling. I too love the rads and fittings!
Dan
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Wunderbar ! Ist gut :)
Terri
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Thank you Robin, Manni, Rick, Stephen, Bob, Andreas, Dan and Terri! Your feedback is highly appreciated!
How you can work with such tiny parts and still keep everything aligned and square is beyond me.
I'm doing a lot of dry fitting. During mounting I use CA gel (product name here "100% CA") as far as possible, which gives me some time for correction.
This is 1/16th scale, right?
8) A comparison with a WNW kit would be a great commendation, but again two times bigger? :D Thank you very much!
And Terri, thank you for answering in my native language!
Cheers,
Frank
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Very beautiful work and very well presented and described! Thank you for showing us!
/Fredrik
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Outstanding details and overall work Frank!
RAGIII
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Always a great pleasure to read your updates.The exhaust is great. Looks so easy, when you do it from some sprue, heat and glue.
Bye,
Manni
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Those control wires and fittings are truly outstanding. Wunderbar ist nicht genug!
Stephen.
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Wonderful detail and quality of work Frank, I never cease to wonder at the beautiful results you turn out so consistently. This is going to be your best to date!
Cheers,
Lance
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On slightly shortened rudder horns I soldered 0.5mm brass tube, he says. As if it would be nothing really worth mentioning. Frank! You make me crazy.... I need your little 5cm fairy tale dwarfes that do the soldering work for you. :o
Andreas
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Excellent work on those elevator horns, Frank. You must work under a microscope!
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It’s beyond me Frank!
Beautiful
Guy
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Yep, fantastic.
Ryan
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Thank you Stephen, Lance, Andreas, Ken, Guy and Ryan! Thank you very much for your kind words :-*
Wunderbar ist nicht genug!
Dankeschön! :)
This is going to be your best to date!
Lance, the Albatros has elegant curves and looks great, but again the best? :o
I try to learn and improve with every project, but the success depends also on the original aircraft and quality of the kit. The kit is so great and I wonder why it was never released again after initial release 2003? The moulds lent to Gavia (released with new decals) and lost? Gavia is out of business now. Really pitty!
As if it would be nothing really worth mentioning. Frank!
I must admit I broke a tube from the rudder horn while mounting the turnbuckle. Now some CA has to hold it firmly.
You must work under a microscope!
No, I'm short-sighted and work without glasses. 8)
And nice to see you back here, Ryan!
Now it is a biplane :) and the next step are the rigging lines.
Cheers,
Frank
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It's nice to be missed. :)
Really good work Bug!
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Like Lance the consistency and quality of your Models, and in particular the details, never cease to amaze Me Frank!
RAGIII
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Genial Frank ! 8)
Terri
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If you taught a class on this I would pay.
What a wonderful little jewel.
Ryan
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Great stuff Frank!
Robin :)
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Great work, Frank. Makes me want to do one in 1/32 scale.
Have you given any thought about how to avoid using the brass tubing sleeves to secure rigging lines to turnbuckles and eyelets? I think they look out of scale on my models and couldn't think of a method to replace them with something smaller. On the actual aircraft, the rigging wire is looped back upon itself and another wire binds them together, like the black wire in the photo below:
(https://i.postimg.cc/mkLb1mXN/P1060982.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
I have thought about looping the line back upon itself and CA gluing, but I haven't tried it and I don't know how strong it would be.
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Fantastic comeback and detail.
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Great detail work, clean and straight.
Andreas
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Another terrific example of your superb Modeling Skills. The new struts are perfect! Beautifully rigged!
RAGIII
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Thank you Ryan, Robin, Ken, Juan, Andreas and Rick fro your nice comments, much appreciated!
If you taught a class on this I would pay.
And instead you get a detailed build report and macro pictures for free 8)
Have you given any thought about how to avoid using the brass tubing sleeves to secure rigging lines to turnbuckles and eyelets?
Believe me, not just once!
That's why I use 0.4mm brass instead of 0.5mm. The next smaller size 0.3 is no more usable, because the inner diameter is only 0.1mm. I tried also a flexible tubing from fishers, very thin, but I found no glue which connects to it.
I think they look out of scale on my models and couldn't think of a method to replace them with something smaller.
You can also try using 0.4mm brass in your 1/32 scale, will look better beside the 1/32 Gaspatch turnbuckles. I have a fishing line (got some meters at ebay, so I don't know the brand) which go twice through 0.4mm (0.2 inside) tubes.
On the actual aircraft, the rigging wire is looped back upon itself and another wire binds them together
Later the brass will be painted, so it simulates the bound end of the wire.
So that is the best I can do at the moment for normal rigging. The RAF wires are a different story, where I do not like the Gaspatch solution and have my own solution (see the Bristol Fighter Crocodile report).
Cheers,
Frank
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Thanks for relaying your experiences with the tubing.
I am currently using 0.6mm tubes because I have difficulty getting the 0.005" line through a 0.5mm tube (it can be done with difficulty). Could you measure the thickness of the rigging line you use? If you use tubing with 0.2 mm inside diameter, the line must be smaller than 0.1 mm (0.0039") diameter?
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Ken, I measured the fishing line for you, my caliper gauge shows 0.08mm. That was not the thinnest, I asked the ebay for 4 examples, and ordered later some meters of a middle one.
I looked into my old mails, ordered years ago. The name is "Berkley Nanofil", I found it in the internet and it is available in following sizes (all in mm):
0.04 0.06 0.08 0.10 0.12 0.15 0.17 0.20 0.22 0.25 0.28
I rigged my Morane-Saulnier Type N with that line:
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=9108
The Albatros here and many other models (if no functional rigging is needed) are rigged with a elastic "Rig that thing". There are the sizes Standard, fine and super fine. The label is lost, but I guess this is the standard size (with 0.07mm according to seller). I cant measure it due to its "rubber" nature.
Here is an example of a finished model with painted brass pipes, my Siemens-Schuckert:
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=9881
Hope it helps,
Frank
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Hey Frank , nice recovery on making your own struts . It sucks when they break and making repairs can just sink the heart and back in the box it goes . Well for me it does until the frustration with myself is over with that project .
Terri
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Thank you very much Terri for your compassionate words!
back in the box it goes .
Oh yes, the danger is there! To avoid this frustration period I started with new brass struts immediately. After the new ones looks better the frustration was gone and a smile comes back on my face ;)
Do you know Bob Ross and his "happy little trees"?
I improve my models with those happy little accidents 8)
Another one was the break of the last of four PE for the spoke wheels of my Lebed. At the end the new wheels looked much better.
Cheers,
Frank
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I am away for a couple of days and miss all of the action....1 Brillaint recovery with the broken struts Frank, and the rigging is, as usual with your models, quite exceptional.
Stephen.
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Excellent detail as always. Many just ignore the ropes on the upper wing even though they are obvious in photos!
RAGIII
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Can I ask the reason for tinning the new struts Frank,does it serve as a primer?
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Thank you Stephen and Rick!
Dave, I only do not like the yellow brass color, if some paint is lost during mounting, scratches and so on. It will then look more real metallic and not unrealistic golden brass.
Cheers,
Frank
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Breathtaking result, as usual. Lovely little Albatros!
Andreas
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Most excellent Frank , looking forward on the final report :)
Terri
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Superb model, Frank. Thanks for all the info on the rigging line. I need to go shopping.
Looking forward to more pics in the completed section.
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Outstanding looking model with all those details Frank. A testament to your skills.
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Great build and it was an absolute joy to follow this. :)
Robin
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You've done it again Frank, another "world class" model off that magic Bench of yours! I'll hold off on further comment pending the Completed Models post, but I have to say this is an exceptional piece of work!
Cheers,
Lance
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I was offline for a while and almost missed this beauty, recalling all the steps was a real pleasure.
Congratulations on your fine work.
Ciao
Giuseppe