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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: PrzemoL on August 01, 2019, 06:24:45 AM
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This is the result of my impatience. I decided not to wait until this model is available in my country but wanted to feel that thrill which was so common a few years ago when the WNW kits were flying from New Zealand. I have paid much more than will be called when buyimg the model here - including delivery, VAT, etc. But I do not regret.
So I have my Gotha for almost one month now. And I have taken its huge box with me for holidays - I spent several afternoons and evenings cleaning the parts from a lot of flash and traces of mould halves misplacement - yes, I insist the quality of WNW manufacture decreased recently. But even so, when you spend some more time with sanding paper, files and scalpel, what emerges from this work is still the top quality kit elements with excellent fit.
I managed to clean all the parts and put them thematically into separate string-bags.
(https://i.ibb.co/C88ft3v/g1-31.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/2Fh3wcp/g1-32.jpg)
I have also done some basic assembly, too (like the uper wings root bits, which required care with the seam lines, unfortunately I had to remove one stitch line over the rib - will have to remake it later)
(https://i.ibb.co/QDt58LJ/g1-33.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Nppr3tz/g1-34.jpg)
And when back home I could start with proper assembly. I decided to start with Benz Bz.III engines where I added electric wires and valve push rods as I plan to build my model with side engine covers off.
(https://i.ibb.co/9nh26nk/g1-35.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/VStTVPf/g1-36.jpg)
Here the engines are tentatively put on the bearers and test fitted with nacelles to the lower wing centre section. The last added items will be the fuel lines but I will do it only after setting the engines on the bearers for good. And of course this shiny look will be spoilt significantly with dirt.
(https://i.ibb.co/NVJV2MS/g1-37.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/xSX2ZdR/g1-38.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/YLh5g7p/g1-39.jpg)
Also some substantial filling and sanding was necessary with late style exhausts - now after a primer coat it seems they are ready for final colouring and assembly.
(https://i.ibb.co/GRWdP5Q/g1-40.jpg)
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That is a good start Prez. I do like your jig for holding the engines.... Looking forward to seeing this built by a master modeller.
Stephen.
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you don't loose time with that one. Great start on that huge plane and I am sure there will be another gem from your bench.
Andreas
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Looking forward to your usual magic Prez.
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Good start, Prez, I will follow your build eagerly!
Concerning the lower quality of the moulding: My guess is that this could be the reason for the comparatively low price of the (huge) kit.
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wow Przemo, Great start on the engines! Too bad about the misaligned molds and flash. I am hoping this will not be the Norm for WNW future! I will follow along of course.
RAGIII
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The pictures looks like a lot of work, but great start!
I do like your jig for holding the engines.
Me too! And we are all called to reduce the usage of plastic this is a great way to reduce waste 8)
Cheers,
Frank
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Great Prze ;)
I too, thought that the plastic quality had dropped a tad with the Halberstadt- as you say, nothing wrong but a little more clean up required. This was reinforced when I started an older DH9a - the quality was definitely better.
Guy
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Thank you all for your cheering and kind words.
Some progress of today.
Dark wood test panel, I am quite satisfied with the hue - the final coat is with acrylic brown transparent paint from Minitaire range.
(https://i.ibb.co/t8JLh6V/g1-41.jpg)
Rear fuselage and lower wing assembled ( front fuselage just clicked on to show the size of the beast). The joints will need some care, as usual.
(https://i.ibb.co/v4pDfDT/g1-42.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/5RfKbQy/g1-43.jpg)
Engine nacelles painted inside, assembled (the joint to be sanded) and put temporarily on the central section
(https://i.ibb.co/c6fFszq/g1-44.jpg)
and the weathered engines added to see the fit and the play of the colours
(https://i.ibb.co/9ynYsNk/g1-45.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/YQz8MRv/g1-46.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/NmCsm8T/g1-47.jpg)
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Nice work, as I have come to expect from you, Przemol.
This should be another impressive build to follow.
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Tagging along for this one , nise start so far !
Terri
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The engine and engine bearers look fantastic P.
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The engines look terrific in place and I Love the dark wood tones! Your usual awesome work!
RAGIII
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Przemo,
I'm here and staring at your work, and maybe I can use what I see here, who knows? Although, after recent announcements, nothing is certain yet ...
I have not seen Minitaire yet in use. Very good effect of dark wood, and how does it look in practice?
8)
buzby
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I want to get this kit myself so will be watching your progress with great intrest,great work.
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Engine blocks completed and ready to be installed (front cowlings just put on, they can be attached for good only when the blocks are attached to the wings - this will happen much later, the wings still require cleaning the seams in the joints, drilling the holes for rigging and painting)
(https://i.ibb.co/J2xtwNf/g1-48.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/BqcRMQb/g1-49.jpg)
With this the turn was to the fuselage interior. This is not too busy and pretty much out-of-the-box with the exception for the control lines and the small (oil?) pump which I lost in cutting off the truss side and had to rebuild it from some spare parts.
(https://i.ibb.co/bv6rNLG/g1-50.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/S70XhPF/g1-51.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/YkdkM3X/g1-52.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/tCJ3bK9/g1-53.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/jJy97Jb/g1-54.jpg)
All this is already buried in the front fuselage, where the fit is not too nice and lots of filling required - the proofs will come soon with the next photo session.
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Gorgeous and clean interior work as always Przemo! I have seen one of these completed and several under construction on FB. It seems there are some issues not usually encountered with WNW kits like Misaligned molds for some parts and now your fit issue :(
RAGIII
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Completely agree with Rick - that interior could pass for the real thing. Such lovely realistic colours and metallic finishes.
Stephen.
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Super performance, all flavors in the invitation on .... ;D inserted from the right in the shooting part.
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Love those engines ! Really coming together well so far Prez :)
Terri
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Thank you, everyone.
Work is going on.
The gunners armament is prepared for painting
(https://i.ibb.co/VpS3Zg0/g1-56.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/h29v2Sv/g1-55.jpg)
The ordnance required some care on the joints. This included the bombs and the central fairing. Here the WNW plan to install the bombs and then join the fairing halves would cause problems with sanding the seams and maskig for airbrush. So I cut half-open the mounting holes to u-shape which will allow me to slide the bombs load after painting and I could so prepare the fairing.
(https://i.ibb.co/7KjnxZD/g1-57.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/fN8zR3q/g1-58.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/0F9ztsg/g1-59.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/pPdnRHX/g1-60.jpg)
Two main 50kg bombs are also designed in a weird way. The racks have some bits which are bomb parts and vice versa. I am still contemplating how to simplify the painting process - this would require some cutting...
(https://i.ibb.co/Fb6M9Jw/g1-62.jpg)
The u/c assembly is supposed to jump into the holes in the wing with some side tabs which do not ensure tight fit - another sanding/painting problem. I followed what Gary showed on FB and cut the side fragments of the tabs, glued them into place, filled and sanded and this left me with slots for the remainder of the tabs.
(https://i.ibb.co/BtJbQng/g1-64.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/kJvwkWb/g1-63.jpg)
And finally for this update - the fuselage. It is now basically assembled, with the cockpit innards buried inside. As mentioned earlier the fit was very tight and I actually did not manage to get rid of the slots. They were filled (visible as dark lines -the CA glue), sanded and will be tested with some primer later. The upper cowling and the fuselage rear also had their seams treated likewise. Some small final touch-ups will be necessary, still.
(https://i.ibb.co/K26C0v9/g1-65.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/R62T3VB/g1-66.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/6RSkvkc/g1-67.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/0G1Q7HP/g1-68.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/xjJG1Vc/g1-69.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/HrP9LjV/g1-70.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/ngjGDgt/g1-71.jpg)
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As always you work is just incredible. Lots of good tips here too for those taking on this complicated model. I won't be one of them but I'm sure they'll be appreciated by those that are.
Cheers
Alistair
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Wow, some great work Przemo!
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As always you work is just incredible. Lots of good tips here too for those taking on this complicated model. I won't be one of them but I'm sure they'll be appreciated by those that are.
Cheers
Alistair
My thoughts exactly!
RAGIII
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Very nice interior Przemol. It seems you are encountering some less than standard WNW fit issues but are resolving them.
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Going on...
Some colours on the tail and fuselage
(https://i.ibb.co/LQPzsN1/g1-72.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/kgJ34FS/g1-73.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/c14MdR8/g1-74.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/JqFP7mL/g1-75.jpg)
And Gaspatch C-type turnbuckles armed with eyelets
(https://i.ibb.co/tqfPDR3/g1-76.jpg)
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Gorgeous paint work as always Przemo! I am glad it is you working on all of those turnbuckles and not Me :o
RAGIII
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Very good work, Przemo. THe paint job looks very convincing.
Bye,
Manni
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Amazing progress on that beast, I really love it!
Andreas
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Spectacular work,you're sure powering through this build.Wish I had cabinet room for one.
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Wow! Very impressive indeed.
Cheers,
Gary
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What the others Hve said - simple fantastic. You seem to be dealing with the various problems in a very deliberate and systematic way - I bet that nobody will be able to see them when this is finished.
Stephen.
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Airbrushing, shading, decalling...
(https://i.ibb.co/gt1VHQg/g1-77.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/ZB6jcwc/g1-78.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/zrKzXMP/g1-79.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/bQDk76Y/g1-80.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/cTKFKpx/g1-81.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/PxwVHBw/g1-82.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/pd32KJP/g1-83.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/HN9fNmy/g1-84.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/6sy9w9c/g1-85.jpg)
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Absolutely beautiful Przeno! Your work is always a Joy to follow.
RAGIII
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it's awesome, great results with pre-assembling phase, Przemo
8)
buzby
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Truly gorgeous build thus far, looking forward to your next update.
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Spectacular so far Prze. What paint (the grey/ green) did you use for the exterior surfaces, and did you pre-shade the rib detail or post shade with airbrushed highlights? The results are really top notch work! 8)
Cheers,
Lance
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Thank you, I am glad you like my efforts.
Lance, for Feldgrau I used WW2 RLM02 from Pactra acrylic range. Shading is actually postshading with custom made thin smoke, a mix of much Clear and little Black, also acrylics. Gotha has no rib tapes on the wings, just stitching, so I used the thinnest available Aizu tape 0.4mm but the effect is barely visible, what you see better is the contrast between inter-rib bands and ribs themselves.
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Thanks for the information Prze; both the fuselage shading and the subtle outlining of the rib contrast are really well done. Very nice effect!
Cheers,
Lance
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Great, clean, wonderful.
Andreas
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I have just got the brand-new veneers to build Reschke propellers for my Gotha.
(https://i.ibb.co/zHxTqnV/g1-86.jpg)
And the work is already started with gluing the layers together and soaking them with liquid CA glue. After the fitting it turned out that 7 layers will be enough and BTW it is exactly how many are seen in one of the photos of Feodora in WD (three bright and four dark ones)
(https://i.ibb.co/4MTc53G/g1-87.jpg)
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Great model so far - a master at work!
Cheers,
Frank
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I am looking forward to seeing the props carved and finished. The laminations look like a great starting point!
RAGIII
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Man thats a monster ! You are taming the beast wonderfully so far 8)
Terri
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I'm looking forward to seeing how the propellers turn out and then I might become a buyer of these. Guesing that one of the wood types is walnut? The other?
The rest of your work is, of course, amazing as always.
Cheers
Alistair
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Thank you, all.
Alistair, if you are interested in the outcome you do not have to wait. I have already used the propellers from the same source in my Albatros B.II and AEG G.IV (I am sorry, I do not know what wood was used but I can ask :))
(https://i.ibb.co/S71spnw/alb2-19.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/7bs1L1h/alb2-20.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/TRP57qk/aeg115.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/2kfVGFp/aeg116.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/VWZsv1x/aeg119.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/qYc7nB1/aeg123.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/DrmYgCn/aeg124.jpg)
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Thanks Przemol
I may give these a try - I have had reasonable success rendering the propeller with paint but it is a job I enjoy the least amongst our many enjoyable tasks and challenges in model making. Certainly think one of the veneers is walnut - a very common wood for ship modelling. The other? Holly or boxwood? For sure, your results with the veneers beat painting! And I have no fear of woodworking.
Thanks
Alistair
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Thanks Przemol
I may give these a try - I have had reasonable success rendering the propeller with paint but it is a job I enjoy the least amongst our many enjoyable tasks and challenges in model making. Certainly think one of the veneers is walnut - a very common wood for ship modelling. The other? Holly or boxwood? For sure, your results with the veneers beat painting! And I have no fear of woodworking.
Thanks
Alistair
These veneers are really worth a try. For a long time I was doing my best with painting the propellers but when I tried these on Albatros B.II I decided - no more painting. This looks much better, it gives a strong impression of truly wooden propeller. Though, one has to agree, the wood grain is definitely out of scale, even for 1/32. A matter of compromise :)
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Thanks Przemol
I may give these a try - I have had reasonable success rendering the propeller with paint but it is a job I enjoy the least amongst our many enjoyable tasks and challenges in model making. Certainly think one of the veneers is walnut - a very common wood for ship modelling. The other? Holly or boxwood? For sure, your results with the veneers beat painting! And I have no fear of woodworking.
Thanks
Alistair
These veneers are really worth a try. For a long time I was doing my best with painting the propellers but when I tried these on Albatros B.II I decided - no more painting. This looks much better, it gives a strong impression of truly wooden propeller. Though, one has to agree, the wood grain is definitely out of scale, even for 1/32. A matter of compromise :)
Hi Perzemol. Following your build closely. Any chance you can let us know where you purchased the precut veneers from as in which company produces them or are they custom made for you? Many thanks
Karim
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Thanks Przemol
I may give these a try - I have had reasonable success rendering the propeller with paint but it is a job I enjoy the least amongst our many enjoyable tasks and challenges in model making. Certainly think one of the veneers is walnut - a very common wood for ship modelling. The other? Holly or boxwood? For sure, your results with the veneers beat painting! And I have no fear of woodworking.
Thanks
Alistair
These veneers are really worth a try. For a long time I was doing my best with painting the propellers but when I tried these on Albatros B.II I decided - no more painting. This looks much better, it gives a strong impression of truly wooden propeller. Though, one has to agree, the wood grain is definitely out of scale, even for 1/32. A matter of compromise :)
Hi Perzemol. Following your build closely. Any chance you can let us know where you purchased the precut veneers from as in which company produces them or are they custom made for you? Many thanks
Karim
Hi Karim. A thread in a neighbor section What's new explains all, I hope. If you have any more questions regarding that offer I will be glad to help you
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=10487.0
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Thanks Przemol
I may give these a try - I have had reasonable success rendering the propeller with paint but it is a job I enjoy the least amongst our many enjoyable tasks and challenges in model making. Certainly think one of the veneers is walnut - a very common wood for ship modelling. The other? Holly or boxwood? For sure, your results with the veneers beat painting! And I have no fear of woodworking.
Thanks
Alistair
These veneers are really worth a try. For a long time I was doing my best with painting the propellers but when I tried these on Albatros B.II I decided - no more painting. This looks much better, it gives a strong impression of truly wooden propeller. Though, one has to agree, the wood grain is definitely out of scale, even for 1/32. A matter of compromise :)
Hi Perzemol. Following your build closely. Any chance you can let us know where you purchased the precut veneers from as in which company produces them or are they custom made for you? Many thanks
Karim
Hi Karim. A thread in a neighbor section What's new explains all, I hope. If you have any more questions regarding that offer I will be glad to help you
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=10487.0
Perzemol many many thanks on taking the time to post the link for me. Will probably buy a couple as it sure simplifies the process of carving from zéro the veneers!
Looking forward to your next build update!
Karim
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The props look Excellent Przemo!
RAGIII
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Thank you, Rick.
And here is some more results on the propellers - veneers are cut and sanded to the shape.
Boss plates cut off the kit parts and undergoing some sanding on the back sides.
(https://i.ibb.co/Dk2cQQB/g1-88.jpg)
And the grey front section got some wash to emphasize the surface details
(https://i.ibb.co/9r6Lp7J/g1-89.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/nbrk3tv/g1-90.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/bssMCmf/g1-91.jpg)
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Wonderful work and model. A great technique for showing the smallest details. (Tak trzymać :D )
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Excellent progress on the props and the wash looks Terrific!
RAGIII
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Propellers, tail skid and anemometer ready.
(https://i.ibb.co/xGMzZbc/g1-92.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/bFYGs8y/g1-93.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/ThSf18X/g1-94.jpg)
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Very nice detail work going on there, Przemyslaw - as always!
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Very nice propellers. And a great piece of work.
(https://i.imgur.com/qlA6etg.jpg)
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Thanks.
BTW, that Gotha in the photo has Integral propellers.
And here the final assembly has finally started!!! You may notice that I opted for a different sequence than what is suggested in the kit instructions.
(https://i.ibb.co/vqLgwSj/g1-95.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/JcxC9Kj/g1-96.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/0nf08DM/g1-97.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/4M40GfR/g1-98.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/FVqVvGs/g1-99.jpg)
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Przemek wasn't about propellers :), I don't have enough knowledge to distinguish between propellers. I just wanted to show you an interesting picture. What Gotha was huge and complicated and the genius of early engineers.
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. I just wanted to show you an interesting picture. What Gotha was huge and complicated and the genius of early engineers.
Right, a very ambitious design. But still, it turned out too intricate. Simplicity is advantageous, apparently.
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Your Gotha is looking Terrific as usual! A real Ugly Beauty ;D
RAGIII
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Thank you, Rick.
And here, what I feared most went fine - two largest bits glued together!!!
(https://i.ibb.co/3Sz3K8W/g1101.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/4Nwkvff/g1102.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/6XnqMdv/g1100.jpg)
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Very Impressive! I am glad all went well!
RAGIII
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My goodness...not a build for the faint hearted! Beautiful!
Robin :)
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PrzemoL, you have a wonderful approach to the subject, and a very fast pace of work. :D
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Love it so far !
Terri
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WNW engineering!
And Przemol engineering, too!
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You must be relieved to have joined the fuselage to the lower wing without incident. I am pleased and amazed at how well you have done it - well actually not amazed really because I know an excellent modeller when I see their work and that is a fine example of excellent modelling.
Stephen.
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Thanks everyone for the kind comments.
Proceeding...
First time on its own feet (wheels :) )
(https://i.ibb.co/LrpQ3ND/g1103.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/hLW8df5/g1104.jpg)
And with wheels completed and engines aboard
(https://i.ibb.co/CBGC2T6/g1105.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/bLXm0HN/g1106.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/CWStTsh/g1107.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/JyRtjf3/g1108.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/gDQgn3L/g1109.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/vLznB79/g1110.jpg)
And I just realised that I fear putting the struts and upper wings even more than joining the lower wing with fuselage... Will the struts and engine controls fit the wings? Soon I will know.
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Once again I can only say your work is gorgeous....and Inspiring!
RAGIII
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Don't worry...with what you've done so far, I'm convinced you can succesfully perform brain surgery... blindfolded and with one hand tied on your back. ;D
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Stunning work - just stunning!
I have to say that I thought this plane was just too weird (and difficult) to contemplate for me but, built by your hands, I start to feel that the very strangeness of it makes it a very compelling subject and model. Certainly, amongst a collection of aircraft from WWI, I can imagine someone seeing it would have to say "You are kidding? They actually made and flew that thing???" And you have the ultimate conversation starter..."If you thought that was weird let me show you this..." :o
Cheers
Alistair
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Thank you, your positive input adds a lot to my progress.
The centre bay struts and the upper wings jumped on, the engine controls fitted perfectly! Rigging under construction
(https://i.ibb.co/fHNYSNF/g1112.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/k1vKdCM/g1113.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/rkB6SPT/g1111.jpg)
However, the outer panel struts are longer than the gap - some pushing will be necessary here. And probably also some tapering of cylindrical pins on the strut ends because the first dry fitting revealed that due to the dihedral of the outer wing panels the holes in the wings are not fully aligned with the struts and when I squeezed one strut into its holes the strut took S-shape :o
But I will complete the rigging of four inner bays before pressing those remaining struts.
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Continuing to e a great build! I am sure you will Master the outer wing strut issue...you always do ;D
RAGIII
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How awesome. That's actually a great build!
Andreas
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Luckily no trimming of strut knobs was necessary. They were pushed into place to enlarge the gap between wing tips, some delicate bending to straight form was enough. Rigging, armament and final touches took mere two days. And now my Feodora is complete. One photo here, more in the Completed section.
(https://i.ibb.co/sQQRqyY/g1009.jpg)
Thank you all for the invaluable support!
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ALL I can say is WOW! OK Maybe a bit more ;D I am glad the struts warped into place and the rigging is perfect as always! The best build of this kit I have seen!!!!
RAGIII
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I missed a couple of days and suddenly this was completed!! That is a huge model Prez - almost as big(bigger?) as the Feixtowe.
Off to look at more pictures in the gallery.
Stephen.
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Thank you, gentlemen. I am glad you like this beast.
But, Stephen, it is much smaller than Felixstowe! Span/length 63/37 vs 91/45 [cm]!
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That is a huge model Prez - almost as big(bigger?) as the Feixtowe.
Stephen.
Here is a group photo of my three biggest builds ever.
(https://i.ibb.co/0DFT1wh/g1050.jpg)
Felixstowe is clearly the biggest of all.
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Your G1 is a great addition to your big plane collection. Amazing work as always. Hope your home is big enough for all of these! ;D
Cheers
Alistair
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Thanks Alistair. Alas, my home is not too big, yet there is room for two cabinets for models and one special case for Felixstowe :)