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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: gedmundson on July 13, 2019, 06:56:21 AM

Title: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on July 13, 2019, 06:56:21 AM
Hi folks - I'm working on a couple of WnW kits at the moment and decided to tackle the engines first. Detailing these engines with ignition wires is one of the parts of the job I find a bit challenging, and tried something different than my usual use of thin copper wire. I picked up some thin lead wire used for tying lures for fly-fishing at a local Cabella's (Sporting & Fishing supplies). The size is .01" and it seems to work great for this and also other wiring & plumbing in aircraft models. I used a larger diameter for the small line seen on the side of the Mercedes engine.

We'll see how everything paints up when I continue with both of these projects.
Cheers,
Gary

(https://i.imgur.com/UW5gjHq.jpg)
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: RAGIII on July 13, 2019, 07:09:43 AM
Looking great ! I will have to check out that wire as I am running out of Old Lindberg Motorized kits copper wire! Also cool to see another Dual build  8)
RAGIII
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on July 13, 2019, 08:19:45 AM
Thanks Rick - I like to have a couple of builds on the go at all times to save on time and resources when airbrushing, painting woodgrain with oils, etc. Also nice to have something else to work on when sub-assemblies are set aside to let the glue dry, too.
Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Juan on July 13, 2019, 08:20:39 AM
Fantastic start Gary, looking forward to seeing your magic on these two beauties.
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: kensar on July 13, 2019, 11:14:51 AM
Those engines look great, Gary.
I use beading wire from a craft store.  Comes in many sizes.  I most frequently use a 0.008" size.
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: lcarroll on July 13, 2019, 12:49:45 PM
Gary,
    I've used the very same stuff. The main detractor I've discovered is that the wire is not at all rigid and I keep inadvertently knocking it out of alignment however I'm the first to admit that it's entirely self induced problems in my case!
    It's great stuff, how do you join it to the plugs?
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on July 14, 2019, 03:36:02 AM
Ken Juan and Lance - thanks! I agree that the lead is very pliable and easy to distort.

To answer Lance's question about attaching the wire to the spark plug ends - I cement a very small styrene tab to the sliced-off tip of the plug, and top it off with a #15 Grandt Line bolt. I take the end of the lead wire and tuck it behind the tab, securing it with a tiny drop of cyano glue. If you squint hard enough it should resemble a crimped connection that's fastened with a nut...in 1/32 scale :-)

Painting the lead is just as much trouble as with copper wire, with final touch-ups at the end of the process. Even with primer, the wire will shed it's paint if bent a little.

Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: lone modeller on July 15, 2019, 05:25:10 AM
That is a super idea for ignition wires - another of the many gems that appear regularly on this site. Have you bench run those engines yet before you put them in the airframes?

Stephen.
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Manni on July 15, 2019, 03:02:12 PM
Very nice engines and a great hint to take the lead wire for flyfishing.
Bye,
Manni
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Dave W on July 15, 2019, 07:03:13 PM
Looks really good Gary. I like the look of the lead wire as I assume it's very flexible to use? I've used florists wire and craft wire but the thin lead wire looks much better. Thanks for the tip!

Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Ryan on July 15, 2019, 10:09:42 PM
Never tried lead wire, it seems it would be easy to work with. Splendid results BTW!

Ryan
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on July 18, 2019, 03:48:37 AM
My thanks to Stephen, Dave, Manni and Ryan for your encouraging comments.

To answer Dave's question - yes, the lead wire is extremely pliable and can conform to whatever shape you want. There is a drawback though - it distorts quite easily and one has to be careful not to squeeze too hard with tweezers when positioning it. If the wire gets too distorted one ends up having to redo the job.

Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on July 23, 2019, 07:03:25 AM
Good day to all, I did a bit more work on the Mercedes engine for the Roland. Almost done with it, short of a dull finish to add and a few chalk pastels after it's installed in the fuselage.

(https://i.imgur.com/9lu7IHR.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/qnp7BIL.jpg)

Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: UFAG on July 23, 2019, 07:24:05 AM
very, VERY nice....chapeau on the color, detail and weathering..
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: coyotemagic on July 23, 2019, 08:46:04 AM
Spectacular engine, Gary!  Very realistic!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: RAGIII on July 24, 2019, 12:01:41 AM
Spectacular engine, Gary!  Very realistic!
Cheers,
Bud

I agree with Bud of course!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on July 24, 2019, 12:26:13 AM
UFAG, Bud and Rick - glad you like it! I'm part way through the cockpit interior and hope to post some pics soon. I've also got a 21cm WW1 Morser by Takom that needs a fair bit of detail added....but that's another story :-)
Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: lone modeller on July 24, 2019, 06:07:34 AM
Another engine that only needs fule, oil and some electricity to power the spark plugs....

Stephen.
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on August 14, 2019, 07:22:39 AM
Working concurrently on the "Harry Tate", I've been trying to paint some of the details and smaller bits before commencing construction of the sub-assemblies, so the following pics are are summary of some of the progress so far. Thanks for looking  :)

(https://i.imgur.com/6eSp36D.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/IwzecRz.jpg)

Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: PrzemoL on August 14, 2019, 07:54:20 AM
Beautiful progress. All those bits look so real...
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on August 14, 2019, 08:08:26 AM
Thanks PrzemoL! And he's a few bits from the Roland...

I used a trick learned on this forum for making the handles for the fuel selector valves using 0.5mm brass tubing - bending it and squeezing it.

(https://i.imgur.com/kqwu6pW.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Mmn7qKV.jpg)

Cheeers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Juan on August 14, 2019, 08:35:43 AM
Great looking details Gary.
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: lcarroll on August 14, 2019, 08:52:33 AM
    Superb detailing Gary. The Lozenge fabric baffle you've added to the fuselage former of the D.VI is incredibly well done, a couple of more winners soon to emerge from your Model Room! BTW, have you filled the requirement for the display cabinets we discussed in Nanton?
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on August 14, 2019, 09:22:29 AM
Thanks Juan and Lance! I'm enjoying both builds and happy to be in WnW land again :)

Lance - I'll be looking into setting up the new hobby room this fall and have a couple of options for showcases, but nothing as of yet. Still trying to finish renos and get ready for our UK trip.

Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: rhwinter on August 14, 2019, 04:06:04 PM
Beautiful!
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: RAGIII on August 14, 2019, 07:45:45 PM
All of your details are looking terrific Gary! In particular I  like the camera, panels and the fabric baffle.
RAGIII
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: kensar on August 14, 2019, 09:24:01 PM
All great looking details, Gary.  I like the landing gear strut where the wood grain can be seen through the lightening holes.
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on August 15, 2019, 01:56:14 AM
RH, Rick and Ken - thanks for the kind comments. I've been helped along by investing in the Winsor & Newton series 7 brushes "000" size. Wished I'd had these earlier  8)
Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: RAGIII on August 15, 2019, 04:18:51 AM
RH, Rick and Ken - thanks for the kind comments. I've been helped along by investing in the Winsor & Newton series 7 brushes "000" size. Wished I'd had these earlier  8)
Cheers,
Gary

First Learned of those brushes about 30 years ago when taking a class on painting figures. Expensive but worth every Penny!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: bobs_buckles on August 15, 2019, 05:59:07 AM
Some lovely work right there, Gary!

Cheers,
von B  ;)
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: aliluke on August 15, 2019, 04:35:39 PM
Stunning work all round. Looking forward to more!

Cheers
Alistair
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Dave Brewer on August 15, 2019, 11:42:21 PM
Top shelf as per usual Gary,always fascinating to follow your builds.
Cheers,
Dave.
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on August 16, 2019, 04:01:17 AM
Bob, Alistair and Dave - thanks so much! Another update to add, with a few weathering touches to the RAF 4a engine.

(https://i.imgur.com/QHbz3jp.jpg)

Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: coyotemagic on August 16, 2019, 04:05:45 AM
I've been following this project closely, Gary, and every single detail is flawlessly executed!  Brilliant in every way.  Believe me, I will be using your RE.8 as a guide when I build mine.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: RAGIII on August 16, 2019, 05:04:12 AM
The engine is simply Brilliant Modeling Gary! Between the Models I saw at the IPMS Nationals and now your build I may just board up My Model Room  ::)
RAGIII
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: lone modeller on August 16, 2019, 08:34:29 AM
Gobsmacked! That is so realistic that I could easily be fooled into believing that they were photographs of the real items.

I think that I will join Rick and take up another hobby....

Stephen.
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: UFAG on August 16, 2019, 09:13:16 AM
Gary, OUTSTANDING..!!
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: UFAG on August 16, 2019, 09:16:42 AM
PS...Finesse..finesse..finesse..!!
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Alexis on August 16, 2019, 10:58:48 AM
Fantastic ! That engine is a beauty  :)


Terri
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on August 17, 2019, 04:16:10 AM
Bud, Rick, Stephen, UFAG and Terri - your words are very appreciated! I'll try and post a few more pics as I work through these builds.
Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on September 01, 2019, 02:16:26 AM
With a bit more done on the cockpit of the RE.8 I thought I'd share a couple of progress pictures. The rigging was using Uschi's fine rigging thread and I used one of Barracuda Studio's wicker seats (which some have mentioned they are slightly undersized).
Cheers,
Gary

(https://i.imgur.com/pnUwsHM.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/zZ3gQGA.jpg)
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: rhwinter on September 01, 2019, 04:40:11 AM
SO very beautiful, Gary!!!
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: RAGIII on September 01, 2019, 04:44:24 AM
Simply GORGEOUS interior! Very well done!!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: lone modeller on September 01, 2019, 07:55:14 AM
Totally agree with Rick! Would anyone notice that the seat is a little undersized? I would not!!

Stephen.
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on September 03, 2019, 08:14:25 AM
RH, Rick & Stephen - thanks so much. I think I'm ready to put it into the fuselage and button 'er up :-)
Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Manni on September 03, 2019, 02:59:45 PM
Fantastic built, Gary! The engine looks great and the cockpit is just terrific.
Bye,
Manni
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Gisbod on September 04, 2019, 05:32:08 AM
Wow!!

Exquisite work Gary  ;D. Love it

Guy
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Borsos on September 04, 2019, 06:20:12 PM
That interoir looks breathtaking like all of your builds. Great progress!
Andreas
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: kensar on September 04, 2019, 09:27:45 PM
As others have said, a fantastic looking interior, Gary.
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: bobs_buckles on September 04, 2019, 10:00:00 PM
Looking superb, Gary  :o
Keep going!

von B
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Alexis on September 05, 2019, 11:39:11 AM
Thumbs up ! 8)




Terri
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on November 05, 2019, 03:55:02 AM
Good day folks - after a while away from the model bench I was able to make some progress on the Re.8 by adding the engine, upper cowl and push rods. Not an easy task as the upper cowling is very thick and needs to be thinned down considerably to get things to look half decent. Thanks for looking!
Cheers,
Gary

(https://i.imgur.com/cItr6Fk.jpg)
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Ryan on November 05, 2019, 04:36:52 AM
Nice photography skills Gary, very clear.
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: FAf on November 05, 2019, 04:56:47 AM
Looks very nice and clean, above all clean! I probably need to something about all the dust that always end up on my models and in my photos... /Fredrik
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: bobs_buckles on November 05, 2019, 05:03:27 AM
Lovely detail work, Gary.
 :)

vB
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: lone modeller on November 05, 2019, 05:42:31 AM
Super details Gary. Just wish I could make them as well as you do!

Stephen.
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: RAGIII on November 05, 2019, 05:52:48 AM
"Halfway Decent",  I think you have far exceeded that Mark! Simply Outstanding!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Alexis on November 05, 2019, 12:19:00 PM
Yup , that would have frustrated the hell out me , well done Gary  :)


Terri
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: PrzemoL on November 06, 2019, 07:49:53 PM
Wow, it looks so familiar. And great progress. Will you close the engine with side and bottom cowlings? I am stil deliberating what to do in my RE8.

BTW, is it your choice for Battleship Grey what we see on the model now? I have a problem with this colour. My understanding was it was rather darkish and bluish hue of grey. But what TVAL propose on their otherwise lovely replicas recently is a very light grey, like the one on Gotha G.1. What do you think of it?
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Gisbod on November 06, 2019, 08:38:42 PM
Super job Gary,

The engine is really well done and the wiring is top notch!

Guy
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: lcarroll on November 06, 2019, 11:48:34 PM
Spectacular thus far Gary; the work on the upper cowling is really effective and your detailing is absolutely superb. Are the metal fittings on the engine bearers painted or are they PE additions ....... they are incredibly well done?
Looking forward to seeing this one in it's "altogether" next year!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on November 07, 2019, 09:54:44 AM
Thanks to all for the great comments (all greatly appreciated!) - and I'll try and answer a couple of questions...

PrzemoL - yes, I will add all the cowlings to this and button up the engine since I like the final model to look as flight-worthy as possible. This is one of the most awkward looking aircraft, but in an interesting way. If you know what I mean :-)

The grey colour I've used for the cowlings is my own mixture of Tamiya paints which I made a batch for when I did the F2b this past year. I can't even remember what I mixed up, but it will look entirely different after I've weathered it. I've also bought some of those photo-etched "splatter masks" to experiment with making the cowlings look quite mucked-up.

Lance - you're right - I painted those engine bearers very carefully using that microscope I was telling you about. Glad you approve! Finally got to use that circle cutter I bought in Calgary last June and painted the roundels on the lower wing. The ones on the top wing may be tricky with that thin white outline though....

Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on November 27, 2019, 03:13:13 AM
A bit more progress on the Harry Tate with some markings applied to the sub-assemblies. I used a Flex-I-File circle cutter to make masks for the upper and lower roundels which I airbrushed on. I pre-rigged some of the fuselage cables, noting that there were variances for the cross-bracing directly ahead facing the pilot. Some a/c had double wires (TVAL), some had single (Duxford).

Cheers,
Gary

(https://i.imgur.com/eNeSRix.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ohC1tYn.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/r5NyHLU.jpg)
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: PrzemoL on November 27, 2019, 04:23:08 AM
Very fine progress, Gary. Keeping on watching with great interest.
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: RAGIII on November 27, 2019, 04:26:39 AM
Superb painting and detailing. The roundels look awesome!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Robin on November 27, 2019, 08:47:25 AM
Superb painting and detailing. The roundels look awesome!
RAGIII

I totally agree with this. :)
Very subtle weathering/ageing/fading.
Sir...I envy your skills and techniques.

-a deep respectful bow-

Robin  :)
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Juan on November 27, 2019, 09:46:04 AM
Wow, simply gorgeous Gary.  Very impressive.
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Alexis on November 27, 2019, 11:35:17 AM
Most impressive indeed  :)



Terri
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: AlbertD on November 27, 2019, 03:59:28 PM
That RE8 is coming along beautifully.
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Manni on November 27, 2019, 04:09:56 PM
Very good work, Gary. The roundels are terrific. Can you please tell me which colour you have used for them? Tamiya  or have you mixes them by yourself? i totally messed up my roundels on my camel and have to paint them new.
Bye,
Manni
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: FAf on November 27, 2019, 11:58:15 PM
I agree with the others - beautiful build! I really like the fuselage colour and the way you've managed to get some life into it!

Manni: Gary will of course have to answer your question himself, but I find that Tamiya XF7 and XF8 straight from the bottle work fine for these bright coloured RFC/RAF roundels.

/Fredrik
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on November 28, 2019, 01:28:23 AM
Thanks everybody for your kind comments.

Manni - this would be the first time I've tried painting the roundels on, and as Fredrik suggested the paints I used were the Tamiya XF-7 and XF-X. The only thing I modified was adding a drop of dark brown to the XF-7 Red to tone it down a bit. I also used an off-white for the base white colour by adding a touch of buff or deck tan to the X2 white.

I cemented the bottom wing in place last night, so fingers crossed as I add the upper wing today  :-\

Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: lone modeller on November 29, 2019, 03:32:33 AM
This really is a terrific build - the roundels are excellent (I usually hand paint mine but yours are much better), and the subtle weathering tones add a realistic look.

Stephen.
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: kensar on November 29, 2019, 04:52:27 AM
Looking good, Gary.  The painted roundels look great.
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on December 10, 2019, 01:18:09 PM
Hi Folks - it took me days to glue on the top wing of the RE.8...indecisiveness, not happy with the fit...bending things slightly to line up just before struts would "snap!" (luckily nothing broke) but it's on and the rigging has started. Using both EZline and the thinner Uschi stuff. Had to add small sections of 0.4mm brass tube to channel the control cable across the top wing. And also am adding small sections of this tubing to act as attachment points for the rigging lines, where they go into the small copper eyelets I made. Lots of patience necessary here.
Cheers,
Gary

(https://i.imgur.com/jk3VoMs.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/QOFZZdF.jpg)
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Manni on December 10, 2019, 03:59:54 PM
Superb work, Gary! Thank you for the hint with the colours. I will mix them for future projects.
Bye,
Manni
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: kkarlsen on December 10, 2019, 10:32:22 PM
Wonderful work! I can relate to the rigging trouble though. I've tried all of the mentioned rigging products, Uschi, Modelkasten, Ez-Line etc.
I finally gave up on these 'easy' rigging' types. I have just finished rigging my Felixstowe using monofilament only. Great, I actually enjoyed the rigging process! What?

Cheers: Kent
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: RAGIII on December 10, 2019, 11:49:35 PM
Looks Fantastic as a biplane! Love the painting!!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on December 12, 2019, 04:08:13 AM
Thanks, everyone, for the comments!

Wonderful work! I can relate to the rigging trouble though. I've tried all of the mentioned rigging products, Uschi, Modelkasten, Ez-Line etc.
I finally gave up on these 'easy' rigging' types. I have just finished rigging my Felixstowe using monofilament only. Great, I actually enjoyed the rigging process! What?

Cheers: Kent

Kent - I'm very interested in your Felixstowe project indeed, as it will be my next WnW project. I assume picture updates will happen later after a magazine article is submitted/published?

Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Bughunter on December 12, 2019, 04:40:54 AM
Very nice work with high quality result! The filigree bird looks great :-*

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on December 15, 2019, 09:51:27 AM
Hi folks - finally a few update photos of the Roland which is getting close to having the fuselage buttoned up.
Cheers,
Gary

(https://i.imgur.com/UtWOvZy.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Q99mPd8.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/DPCmo6I.jpg)

Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: AlbertD on December 15, 2019, 03:08:08 PM
Beautiful work Gary. The Harry Tate looks fantastic.
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: coyotemagic on December 15, 2019, 03:28:56 PM
Extraordinary work on both, Gary!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gbrivio on December 15, 2019, 04:48:54 PM
Excellent progress, the Harry Tate paintwork is spectacular.
Ciao
Giuseppe
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: kensar on December 16, 2019, 12:08:51 AM
Marvelous interior painting, Gary.  Thanks for sharing your paint mixes for the roundels on the H Tate.
How easy was it to cut the roundel masks using the FlexiFile cutter?  I made a cutter using a drafting compass with a blade fitted to it, but still find it hard to cut a smooth circle.  (I've asked Santa for a Silhouette cutter for Xmas).

I'll continue to follow along with your work.
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on December 16, 2019, 12:30:23 AM
Thanks for the kind words on the builds, folks!


How easy was it to cut the roundel masks using the FlexiFile cutter?  I made a cutter using a drafting compass with a blade fitted to it, but still find it hard to cut a smooth circle.  (I've asked Santa for a Silhouette cutter for Xmas).


I found that the Flex-i-file circle cutter was made well and felt quite solid, and with it's tungsten blade it was fairly easy to cut a big circle. The size-adjusting part is precise. I just had to be careful to apply even, steady pressure and angle as I moved it around - so that the blade started and ended at exactly the same spot. It's the first time I've ever used anything like this and I'm very pleased with it. This was a practice for when I make roundels for the Felixtowe since there's no way I want to deal with decals that big :-)

Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: kkarlsen on December 16, 2019, 02:35:29 AM
Beautiful woodwork, thumbs up!

Cheers: Kent
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: RAGIII on December 16, 2019, 02:50:17 AM
Woodwork and Magazine bin are fantastic!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: PrzemoL on December 16, 2019, 09:51:40 PM
Very fine progress on both birdies. Though I look at RE8 with more interest, as you may presume :-)
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on January 05, 2020, 05:14:13 AM
A further update on my Harry Tate build. I'm forever back-tracking on my projects, forgetting to add markings at the right time, adding small pieces I've missed along the way etc. Had to add the sponsored marking to the side of the cowl on this one after the fact, and therefore had to mask a few things to get the thing toned down (a stark white marking needs a thinned version of the background colour airbrushed over it for scale effect).

Also - one last look at the engine before I button it up!

Cheers,
Gary

(https://i.imgur.com/1c6ciJJ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/64Ooqt2.jpg)

Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Alexis on January 05, 2020, 10:27:46 AM
Outstanding work on the Tate and the Roland is looking very nice with the cockpit parts . I like how you did the planking join lines , the saw tooth stands out nicely ! :)


Terri
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: RAGIII on January 06, 2020, 01:21:12 AM
Your RE8 looks amazing! Nicely done on adding the missing sponsored markings!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Gisbod on January 06, 2020, 06:47:04 AM
Super job Gary,

Is it just me? The standard of modelling seems to have zoomed upwards lately..

I’m finding it hard to keep up..  ???

Guy
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: bobs_buckles on January 06, 2020, 07:41:05 AM
Excellent work, Gary.
She belongs in a museum  ;)

vB
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on January 08, 2020, 03:09:44 AM
Hey Terri, Richard, Guy and Bob - thanks so much for those words on the projects!

Guy - you comment on the standard of work you see on this forum and I have to agree. Seeing the great work displayed here pushes me to learn, try new techniques, and make my current and next builds better than the last.

Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: lcarroll on January 08, 2020, 02:18:48 PM
   You may add me to the list of those who believe the standard of modelling on this site is improving in quantum leaps! It's at the same time inspiring and frustrating to me as I realize my own limitations; on the positive side it's a lot of fun trying to keep up!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: PrzemoL on January 08, 2020, 04:42:03 PM
Fantastic progress, Gary. It is indeed interesting to see a different approach to the assembly sequence. Anyway, you are very close to the gala finale. ;)
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on January 24, 2020, 09:58:59 AM
With my RE.8 now done it's time to move on with this Roland, so here's a few pics of the progress. I've cut some masks to give the impression of the laminated wood strips, which will move around as I attempt to spray a darker brown over the buff coloured base on the fuselage sides.
Cheers,
Gary

(https://i.imgur.com/pqCIMIB.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/pTat3pj.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/grCGEiH.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/xRP0lPE.jpg)
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: lcarroll on January 24, 2020, 01:20:42 PM
   Really clever technique on the fuselage woodwork Gary, I'm going to bookmark this little gem for when I finally pull mine out of the box. Thanks for sharing and really nice work once again!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: FAf on January 24, 2020, 05:54:07 PM
Beautiful work! Very nice looking fuselage (and all the other bits)!
/Fredrik
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: bobs_buckles on January 24, 2020, 08:22:00 PM
Up to your usual high standards, Gary.
Nicely done.

Bob
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: RAGIII on January 25, 2020, 01:24:37 AM
Your Technique for painting those planks really hit the Mark! One of the finest I have seen done with this kit!!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Alexis on January 25, 2020, 11:51:59 AM
Sweet Gary . I have seen this method in the Air Modellers Guide To WNW kit's vol 1 . Awesome book ! Looking forward on seeing how this turns out .


Terri
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: kkarlsen on January 25, 2020, 06:05:02 PM
That woodwork is amazing!

Kent
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: kensar on January 26, 2020, 02:33:51 AM
Outstanding wood effect, Gary.
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Juan on January 26, 2020, 03:06:52 AM
Like others have stated, outstanding wood effect.  Simply stunning.
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on January 27, 2020, 07:53:04 AM
Thanks everyone for the kind remarks!

Sweet Gary . I have seen this method in the Air Modellers Guide To WNW kit's vol 1 . Awesome book ! Looking forward on seeing how this turns out .
Terri

Yes Terri - I have that book and it was the build of the Roland D.VIa that I saw that technique used to good effect. Both Volumes of the Air Modeller's Guide to Wingnut Wings kits are extremely good references and I keep them by my model bench at all times  ;)

Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Bughunter on January 27, 2020, 08:06:05 AM
Very nice paint work so far!
That masking strips for wood are a very good idea, I will try this one day in 1/48.

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on January 31, 2020, 06:30:29 AM
Thanks everyone for your encouragement as I try and get the Roland done!

I've added the lower wing, which has been draped with Aviattic 4-colour faded lozenge decal. I've also added the engine cowlings - these were a difficult fit and needed a fair bit of thinning down to look right. No wonder the instructions recommends leaving them off. The spring-hasps that fastened the front to the side cowlings were made with thin copper wire wrapped around a #80 drill bit.

Cheers,
Gary

(https://i.imgur.com/OsNXPSC.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/iOXqikI.jpg)
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: RAGIII on January 31, 2020, 06:40:20 AM
Really looking AWESOME! The springs look Fantastic!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on January 31, 2020, 07:09:04 AM
Really looking AWESOME! The springs look Fantastic!
RAGIII

Thanks Rick! Glad you like it  :)
Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: lcarroll on January 31, 2020, 08:56:25 AM
Gary,
   With the addition of the painted cowlings, fittings, and the markings the wood finish really becomes more exceptional, such beautiful work! How about those nail lines, a rotary wheel tool? I haven't checked my Kit however I'd speculate that going "plank to plank" would be difficult given the protrusion of the edges.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: bobs_buckles on January 31, 2020, 07:45:18 PM
Lovely!

vB  :o
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: kensar on January 31, 2020, 10:26:29 PM
A question, Gary.  What did you use as a guide for the nail lines? Or did you not use any guide and just freehand it?
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on February 01, 2020, 02:09:42 AM
A question, Gary.  What did you use as a guide for the nail lines? Or did you not use any guide and just freehand it?
Gary,
   With the addition of the painted cowlings, fittings, and the markings the wood finish really becomes more exceptional, such beautiful work! How about those nail lines, a rotary wheel tool? I haven't checked my Kit however I'd speculate that going "plank to plank" would be difficult given the protrusion of the edges.
Cheers,
Lance

Hello Ken and Lance - those nail marks are part of the kit. WnW created the tiny depressions quite nicely. I just enhanced them with a touch of thinned oil paint. Lance - you are correct about the lines traversing the woodwork, they get missed as they go over the edge. I did add my own on the top of the fuselage to have some continuation where the joint was sealed.
Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: lcarroll on February 01, 2020, 03:59:44 AM
    I completely missed the inclusion of the nails in the Kit molding, I must take another look. Wingnut Wings never fails to surprise, they certainly add a lot to the finished effect.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: FAf on February 01, 2020, 06:15:17 AM
Very, very beautiful! Everything so clean and crisp!
/F
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on February 01, 2020, 02:59:57 PM
Glad you like it Fredrik - thanks! Soon it will be complete.
Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Smith on February 02, 2020, 05:26:03 AM
That's utterly gorgeous, great job!

The standard of modelling on this site really is tremendous. I'm slightly embarrassed showing my cack-handed fumblings!
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on February 02, 2020, 09:17:42 AM
I painted up a couple of Model Cellar figures to display with the Roland using Vallejo acrylics.
Cheers,
Gary

(https://i.imgur.com/MeAdN8Q.jpg)

Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Alexis on February 02, 2020, 11:48:19 AM
Beautiful job on the wood effect , man that turned out sharp looking . Those figures are also impressive !




Terri
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on February 02, 2020, 01:11:02 PM
Beautiful job on the wood effect , man that turned out sharp looking . Those figures are also impressive !
Terri

Thanks Terri!
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on February 04, 2020, 11:21:44 AM
With the top wing of the Roland now in place, the rigging is in progress. I'm using EZ Line and Uschi's "medium" line for the rigging, and RB Productions etched turnbuckles.
Cheers,
Gary

(https://i.imgur.com/a3dss7Q.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ozQiBIP.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/o3jehp5.jpg)

Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Manni on February 04, 2020, 05:19:48 PM
Beautiful work, the wood fits perfect to the nice lozenge! Great work at all.
Bye,
Manni
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Borsos on February 04, 2020, 07:57:57 PM
Wonderful work on the airplane and the figures!
Andreas
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: FAf on February 04, 2020, 09:11:30 PM
I'm using EZ Line and Uschi's "medium" line for the rigging, and RB Productions etched turnbuckles.

Beautiful work!
Two questions if you don't mind. 1) Have you done anything to the turnbuckles except folding them? 2) How have you attached the rigging to the turnbuckles? Simply tied them?

Looking forward to the rest!
/Fredrik
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: bobs_buckles on February 04, 2020, 09:18:21 PM
Lovely work all around.
 ;)

vB
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: kensar on February 04, 2020, 10:33:42 PM
   8)
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: RAGIII on February 05, 2020, 12:42:17 AM
Looks even better as a Biplane! Lovely work!!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Alexis on February 05, 2020, 11:29:55 AM
Oh my ....



Terri
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on February 05, 2020, 01:47:26 PM
Thanks again to all those that took the time to look at the photos and send a comment - all very appreciated!

I'm using EZ Line and Uschi's "medium" line for the rigging, and RB Productions etched turnbuckles.

Beautiful work!
Two questions if you don't mind. 1) Have you done anything to the turnbuckles except folding them? 2) How have you attached the rigging to the turnbuckles? Simply tied them?

Looking forward to the rest!
/Fredrik

Hello Fredrik, you ask a very good question. I used to just fold the turnbuckles and paint them, but realized some would open up and get diss-formed during the rigging process. Now I run a bead of cyano glue around the folded pieces which helps in that case. The rigging is attached to the turnbuckles by passing through the line and placing a drop of cyano on the join, then a careful cut the excess off with a brand new #11 blade. In the case of the turnbuckles that are part-way up the line (ie. aileron control cables) I cut off the one folded side of the turnbuckle, and pass the line up and through the holes of the turnbuckle (on the cut-off side) then secure the turnbuckle in place with a drop of cyano at the center after placing it in position. After painting it, highlighting with metalizer, and squinting hard enough, it should look ok.

I do try and fasten the wing-side turnbuckles to the model with a twisted piece of copper wire, making sure that the turnbuckle is free to swivel and line up with the eventual rigged line. There is nothing worse than having a rigged line with the turnbuckle not in alignment with it.

Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: lcarroll on February 05, 2020, 11:47:40 PM
Gary,
    Your work on the Lozenge is simply outstanding, the tapes are especially well done as is the rest of the model. You are really exceeding your normally stellar performance on this one, beautiful work!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on February 06, 2020, 01:27:19 AM
Gary,
    Your work on the Lozenge is simply outstanding, the tapes are especially well done as is the rest of the model. You are really exceeding your normally stellar performance on this one, beautiful work!
Cheers,
Lance

Gosh, thanks Lance! Glad you approve. I always feel you're looking over my shoulder when I model...and try harder ;)  Always look forward to presenting my models to you at the next show (and of course seeing your masterpieces!).
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: lcarroll on February 06, 2020, 05:51:20 AM
Gary,
    Your work on the Lozenge is simply outstanding, the tapes are especially well done as is the rest of the model. You are really exceeding your normally stellar performance on this one, beautiful work!
Cheers,
Lance

Gosh, thanks Lance! Glad you approve. I always feel you're looking over my shoulder when I model...and try harder ;)  Always look forward to presenting my models to you at the next show (and of course seeing your masterpieces!).

Gary,
   I'll look forward to seeing this and that beautiful "Harry Tate" in Edmonton early June I hope. I may enter a Fantasy Figure or perhaps  piece of Needle Point in lieu of aircraft if you're bringing work of this quality though, the "bar" has gone up dramatically with your recent pair!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on February 07, 2020, 07:31:00 AM
One of the details it seems often ignored on the Roland D.VIa kit (judging from the "Customers Models" photos on the WnW website) is the control line for the radiator louvers, exiting the cockpit and going up into the top wing. In a couple of cases, photos show this to be a small link chain, and in one instance a simple piece of wire. I made one from photo-etched chain, and made a small port from styrene for the exit, just forward of the cockpit.
Cheers,
Gary

(https://i.imgur.com/ss4x896.jpg)

Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: RAGIII on February 07, 2020, 08:39:37 AM
Fantastic Gary! Nice catch on the radiator shutter control!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Alexis on February 07, 2020, 11:13:02 AM
Fantastic Gary! Nice catch on the radiator shutter control!
RAGIII

First time I have ever seen anyone add this detail , nice catch indeed . Where did you source the PE chain ? I will be adding this detail to my ...Love it !



Terri

Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: FAf on February 07, 2020, 04:12:11 PM
It continues to be an amazing build to follow! Thank you for your explanation about the turnbuckles and rigging lines and sorry for me being late saying that!
/Fredrik
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: xan on February 07, 2020, 05:40:25 PM
very nice engine
congratulations!
Xan
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on February 08, 2020, 03:24:21 AM
Thanks again to all who commented  :)

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First time I have ever seen anyone add this detail , nice catch indeed . Where did you source the PE chain ? I will be adding this detail to my ...Love it !

Terri
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Well Terri - that etched chain came from a set of 1/35 scale accessories by Royal Models, who do armour model add-ons. I've had that set kicking around for decades, and keep it handy in my box of tricks. Just for occasions like this. I'm not sure who sells those now, or if Royal Model still exist, since my WWII German AFV modelling days seem a long time ago.

Speaking of details, I noticed (again on the WnW Customer Model page) that it's easy to mix up the rudder and elevator control lines. I almost made the mistake myself - but luckily checked references before I hooked them up. The lines actually cross - here's a pic of the proper configuration...

(https://i.imgur.com/1dgVbpV.jpg)

Cheers,
Gary

Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: RAGIII on February 08, 2020, 08:23:55 AM
Control rigging looks outstanding! I am still gobsmacked by how great the wood fuselage looks!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Bughunter on February 08, 2020, 08:45:17 AM
Gary, your last updates are fantastic!
With your painting you give your models a very special, unique style - I like it a lot.

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: FAf on February 08, 2020, 06:56:44 PM
Brilliant work colours and work! I'm picking up lots of tricks from you! I also really like your photographs as they allow me to zoom in for greater detail.
/Fredrik
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Borsos on February 09, 2020, 06:35:28 AM
Really wonderful modeling what you show us here. Everything looks fantastic!
Andreas
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: gedmundson on February 10, 2020, 05:04:59 AM
The Roland D.VIa is now done, completing this thread. I'll try and get some overall views loaded later into the "Completed" section of the forum later today. Thanks to all who took the time to take a look and leave their comments - they were each one very much appreciated!

(https://i.imgur.com/MUFUcTN.jpg)

Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Radarman on February 10, 2020, 05:29:37 AM
Well done, Gary, that really makes my day!
                                       
                     Kevin
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: Alexis on February 10, 2020, 08:47:03 AM
Sure puts a smile on my face , very well done indeed  :)



Terri
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: kensar on February 10, 2020, 10:51:40 PM
A masterpiece Gary!
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: pepperman42 on February 10, 2020, 11:31:58 PM
Beautiful work!!

Steve
Title: Re: WnW RE.8 and Roland D.VIa
Post by: RAGIII on February 11, 2020, 12:10:40 AM
Beautiful work!!

Steve

I agree completely!
RAGIII