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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => WW1 Aircraft Information/Questions => Topic started by: Iancshippee on April 22, 2019, 01:55:10 AM
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Hello everyone! I’m working on Copper State’s Caudron G.4, and I’d like to put it in Italian markings. However, I’m not finding much material to reference these. I have the Windsock Datafile for it and the G.3 so I have a rough idea of what to go for, just curious if there’s any hidden info out there anywhere. Thanks!
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Italian G.4 had no roundels
Lower wings were painted insignia green (right underwing) and red (left underwing)
https://www.gettyimages.it/detail/foto/caudron-g4-bomber-of-48th-squadron-in-airfield-hangar-fotografie-stock/936428638
the rudder had the tri-color
http://www.avia-it.com/act/profili_daerei/colorazione_e_araldica/15_Aerei_Italiani_1.asp
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The main difference in italian Caudrons was the gun mount (and the gun itself). If I find a good picture I will post it. Also an overwing gun was quite common. I will follow with interest, as I have the same model kit and it was intended to be made as an italian aeroplane.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Thank you both! The Datafile has a couple good pictures of the guns. I’m thinking of taking some artistic license and painting the engine cowlings to match the underwing colors, as well as the outside wheel covers. The rest will be CDL of course.
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jumping on the internet I came across pics of Italian G.IV - I can suppose may occur interesting for you, if you haven't seen them before
http://www.quellidel72.it/storie/aviatori/finzi.htm
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buzby
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Thanks for the link, it is very interesting
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Will also like to thanks for the info . Was planning on doing my kit in Italian markings as well . Very helpful info :)
Terri
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What types of guns are those on the quellide link?
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the front one looks like FIAT Mod. 1914 tipo Aviazione,
and if I can see two barrels well, the gun on wing seems to be Villar Perosa M15
but maybe there will be someone who knows more about it, I am not an expert in this field...
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buzby
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I confirm, Buzby
Fiat Revelli 1914 and Villar Perosa 1915
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I just posted a link to the Fiat Reveilli machine gun manual in the reference library weapons section. Scroll down past all the text to see photographs and drawings.
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The manual for the Villar Perosa M15 and other early guns can be seen on the forgottenweapons.com website under the "original manuals" section. Send an email to Costas at Gaspatch Models. Maybe he will produce the Fiat Reveilli and Villar Perosa.
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Buzby, thanks for those excellent photos! Great pictures of the guns.
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Just received an email response from Costas who is the owner of Gaspatch Models. He said that these two types of Italian machine guns are already in the design stage.
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Does anyone know whether the Italian Caudrons used the French blue fittings and rigging wires their French counterparts used?
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It is likely that they were french blue
I was involved in the restoration of two WWI italian aircraft and their fittings were french blue. Not Caudron, but if other types of italian origin used french blue fittings it is likely that it was the usual color for fittings.
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I was involved in the restoration of two WWI italian aircraft ....
... and hopefully you took some pictures that you’re going to share with us here? :)
Andreas
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yes, but it was before the digital era
I have them printed on paper, stored at home some 700 km from here :)
I hope to find time and money to have them digitized
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This is the Ansaldo Balilla cockpit still in its original colours.. as you can see the dashboard is painted in blue
other fittings were blue as well
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This is a very interesting detail, thank you very much for sharing!
Andreas
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Hi!
The project to build the G.4 in italian colors is really welcomed!
I have to add some comments to the ones above. The G.4 used by "Aviazione del Regio Esercito" were built under license by AER of Orbassano (near Turin). 51 examples were built and, of course, no blue french fittings. They had only red and green section under the wings and tricolor on rudders only on the outer side. Your idea to paint cowlings and wheels with our national colors is a fancy thing, but without any photo proof. The CDL was really near to white, you can see it in the photos. Humbrol 41 "Ivory white" is a good option.
The blue and white cockpit of the Balilla posted above was something of "special colors" applied only on the two a/c's donated by the Commerce Chamber of Genoa to Locatelli and Palli in a great ceremony. For a courious coincidence, they are the only Balillas survived until our days, one restored and held in Bergamo and the second held by Caproni's Museum in Trento, waiting for a decent restoration.
Hope useful!
Roberto