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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Des Delatorre International Memorial Group Build => Topic started by: NinetythirdLiberator on February 14, 2019, 03:56:14 PM

Title: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on February 14, 2019, 03:56:14 PM
First...thanks, Dave, for spear heading this great tribute.  What I liked the most about Des was that he made everyone welcome.   Great suggestions and a true gentleman, not to mention his incredible skill!

I've decided to start out with a couple of balsa free flight models as a change of pace.  I think Des would've approved.  I'll be getting my balsa sheet soon so these will basically be "scratch built".  With luck, I'll post a video showing them flying!

So here are my kits:  basically plans downloaded from a great flying model site/archive called "The Outerzone".

(http://i.imgur.com/HIqJ7zy.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/hdRmFR4.jpg)

I have some other scratch plastic ideas as well.  Wish me luck!
Dan
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: gbrivio on February 14, 2019, 05:30:41 PM
This will be an intriguing build, and I'm sure it's really challanging as probably every bit is made from scratch.
Wish you good luck and lot of modelling fun.
Ciao
Giuseppe
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: Thumbs up on February 14, 2019, 06:48:43 PM
That's great Dan! These can be turned into great scale models with a little weight compromise. I'm building a 1/32 Bristol Scout from a Cleveland plan that I hope to show on this forum some time.
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: Monty on February 18, 2019, 02:31:49 AM
What an ambitious but beautiful project, Dan! This one demands our attention! And Des would have loved it... Regards, Marc
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: RAGIII on February 18, 2019, 09:44:41 PM
I am looking forward to this one!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: pepperman42 on February 19, 2019, 01:20:52 AM
Good luck! I cant imagine building them and then risking them getting airborne.....

Steve
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on February 19, 2019, 01:56:31 PM
Thanks, Guys...your attention makes it worth while.  I start the Albatros tonight.

And Steve:  Get a load of this!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5_OwxtBXKg

It's CO2 powered and mine will be rubber, but holy cow...and a Camel to boot!

Cheers,
Dan
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: GAJouette on February 19, 2019, 02:30:51 PM
 Dan,
Talk about walking down Memory Lane! I'm so looking forward to following this thread my old friend. As a young boy I built all the Guillow's WWI line with the exception of the Albatros DVa. That one I don't even remember I'm afraid. I do remember that the Halberstadt flys well if you get the CG just right. All the best of luck to you Dan and thanks for the memory refresh.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on February 19, 2019, 03:07:11 PM
Thanks, Gregory!  This one is a good memory for me too since I remember my Dad trying to fly it off a hill and it had 2 pennies epoxied to each side of the nose!  I recall it stalled a lot and crashed even more so this one is for Des and my Dad...

Here is a bit of progress.  I intend to make some videos to show the build as well so I'll add links later.  But the first thing is to make some nice 1/32nd x 1/16th balsa laminations wrapped around the outlines of the tails to get strong and light starts to the tails.  I just used the outline from the plan, glued it to some cardboard, spread bar soap around the edges (so the wood won't stick to the form) and then, after putting some glue between the thin balsa sheets that I soaked for about 15 minutes in hot water in the sink (2 long lengths so I'm actually wrapping a 1/16th x 1/16th balsa outline) wrapped them around the forms, pulled them tight and held them in place with some strong magnets on a piece of metal.  This way, there are no pins to poke the wood and I never go the hang of holding the wood without actually pinning through it.  This way, things work out just great.  I'll leave these to dry overnight and be ready to start building the actual tails tomorrow!  Light and strong.  I may make them hinged but we'll see...

I hope this makes some sense...here are the pictures:

(http://i.imgur.com/gHI2EiF.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/N7dPyZg.jpg)

Note that the tails will be a 1/16th of an inch larger around than on the plan, but hey!  You usually need more tail surface area anyway...especially for free flight!  ::)

And here's the first video installment.  Lots of pretty music and it's only about 4 minutes long.  It may show better than I can describe if you are not familiar with these little balsa models!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vAlEidRqFs

More soon!
Dan  :D
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on February 20, 2019, 04:58:30 PM
Tiny update tonight:  after drying for 24 hours, the laminated edges are nice and strong and kept their shapes.  The split in the stabilizer is no problem and will be filled in.  The soaped up edges really paid dividends...

Tomorrow, I'll actually add the interior sticks and finish them!

(http://i.imgur.com/QNnXsqb.jpg)

More soon,
Dan
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: gbrivio on February 20, 2019, 05:45:22 PM
Interesting to see woodworking techniques in your video, I'm looking forward to your progress.
Ciao
Giuseppe
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: Juan on February 21, 2019, 01:38:31 AM
Great start Dan, very interested in following your builds.
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: RAGIII on February 21, 2019, 02:39:17 PM
Great start and awesome wood working technique!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on February 26, 2019, 05:22:18 PM
Thanks, guys!  I hope this will be helpful and interesting to everyone especially if they haven't seen these little guys made before!   ;D

I got the stabilizer and elevator done.  Besides the laminated outline, I used 1/16th square for the elevator separation and along where the tail joins the fuselage while the rest is 1/32 x 1/16th thus saving some weight.  I hope the movable surfaces will aid in trimming.  They will be attached with twisty tie wire for easy bending.  More soon and tanks again for looking...Dan
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: lone modeller on February 27, 2019, 07:55:41 AM
This is scratch building with a difference Dan. I too am not sure that I would want to put all the time nd effort into something which might be wrecked on the first flight!!

Will be following with interest nonetheless - the more so as it is your model that is at risk!!

Stephen.
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on February 27, 2019, 05:18:36 PM
Thanks, Stephen. The risk part is part of the fun.  These models are all about a balance between looking like the real thing and actually getting them light enough to fly well.  We'll see how this one goes!

Here is a bit more showing the finished tails.  They will be hinged with thin, bendy wire for trim adjustment.  Next step is to lightly sand and then cover them with tissue!

Here is a link here to the latest short sped-up video showing how these were constructed if you have some time to waste!  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk0hqamHdMQ&t=20s

Cheers,
Dan
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: Borsos on February 27, 2019, 09:50:41 PM
This is incredible, inspiring work. Thanks for showing!

Andreas
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: Juan on February 27, 2019, 11:16:44 PM
Looks great Dan, takes me back to being a kid and trying to build one of these (did not have the patience then, and now....)
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: RAGIII on February 28, 2019, 09:12:27 AM
Excellent work, Great Video, and to top it off I saw a link to a Video of the Live Aid performance of Queen and took the time to watch it...A totally satisfying experience in all categories  8)
RAGIII
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on February 28, 2019, 10:26:47 AM
Excellent work, Great Video, and to top it off I saw a link to a Video of the Live Aid performance of Queen and took the time to watch it...A totally satisfying experience in all categories  8)
RAGIII

QUEEN ROCKS!!!

I hope this Albatros does the same...Dan
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: Monty on March 04, 2019, 06:14:00 AM
Some beautiful, delicate work! Looking forward to more... ATB, Marc
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on March 10, 2019, 05:15:15 PM
Thanks, Everyone!  Just a tiny update today.  I got the wing tips (both top and bottom) laminated just as the tails. Only thing necessary was to make sure my cardboard cut out was 1/16th of an inch smaller around...that's the line inside the plan's edging I drew in on the first picture.   I'll start making the wings tomorrow.

Thanks for looking!

Dan
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: RAGIII on March 10, 2019, 10:02:03 PM
Excellent progress Dan! Looking forward to seeing those wings !
RAGIII
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: Terri on March 11, 2019, 01:26:32 AM
Excellent progress Dan! Looking forward to seeing those wings !
RAGIII

What Rick said , looking forward on seeing the wings as well  :)



Terri
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: GAJouette on March 11, 2019, 06:22:16 AM
 Dan,
The stick and tissue excellence as me drooling. Outstanding progress to date my old friend. Again many thanks for bringing back some memories of childhood.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette

PS: My Dad helped me (build it for me) many of Guillow's WWI line as a young boy.
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on March 11, 2019, 04:13:27 PM
Thanks, All!  Gregory:  this is a fun trip for me too since I was about 6 when I saw my Dad crash this one.  It was a model I always remember in the basement...usually in pieces...under the stairs.  ::)

I started the bottom wing but only got half done.  Still, even with my modifications, the fit is nice and precise.  The first pic shows all the basic strip wood and ribs cut out to basically make a "kit".  The next shows the wing on the board!  I've modified the kit a bit by using laminated tips and only the mid rib and strut ribs are 1/16th.  All others are 1/32nd.  The trailing edge is also 1/32nd compared to the kit's 1/16th balsa.  I hope this saves a little bit of weight.  Light flies best!

Cheers and more soon...Dan
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: RAGIII on March 11, 2019, 11:00:14 PM
Starting to look like an Albatros Wing !Nicely done.
RAGIII
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on March 14, 2019, 01:53:25 PM
Thanks, Rick!  ;)

I got the bottom wing completed...structure wise.  Now I need to final sand it and and in the scallops.  Top wing up next!

Cheers,
Dan
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: GAJouette on March 15, 2019, 07:51:55 AM
 Dan,
Your wing is an excellent example of the high levels of skill and craftsmanship.Looking forward to further amazement.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: Terri on March 15, 2019, 10:10:42 AM
My one Uncle used to build stick and tissue kits . I would sit and watch him for hours . This is a treat . Nice work so far and I like the magnet idea . Looking forward on your next up date .




Terri
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: RAGIII on March 16, 2019, 01:23:31 AM
Looks like a most excellent Albatros Wing.
RAGIII
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: lone modeller on March 16, 2019, 06:24:39 AM
Your woodworking skills are as good as with card and plastic!

What scale is this Albatros Dan? I am thinking of trying out an idea on wing structures in wood in 1/32 scale and am looking for ideas....

Stephen.
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on March 16, 2019, 10:12:48 AM
Thanks, everyone!  This one is fun and I'm starting the top wing tonight.

Stephen:  This guy has an 18 inch wingspan so it's roughly 1/20th scale (I think)...

I do think you could make a 1/32 scale with 1/32nd sheet.  It would look just about right, I reckon...

Thanks for looking and commenting. 

Dan
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on March 17, 2019, 02:47:13 PM
Got the top wing done and sanded.  I need to separate the ailerons and then it will be ready to cover.  Really...only the fuselage left to go.

Thanks for looking!

Dan

P.S.  Here is a quick sped-up video of building the bottom wing.  Basically the same process.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzCdU8lU8XY
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on March 17, 2019, 04:26:47 PM
My one Uncle used to build stick and tissue kits . I would sit and watch him for hours . This is a treat . Nice work so far and I like the magnet idea . Looking forward on your next up date .




Terri

Hi Terri!
Thanks for the comments.  I too liked watching my Dad build these things.  I only ran upstairs when he'd run an engine in the basement!  ::)

Cheers,
Dan
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: RAGIII on March 18, 2019, 01:31:39 AM
Continuing to be an inspiring build! The upper wing looks terrific!!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: Gene K on March 18, 2019, 02:37:15 AM
...  a quick sped-up video of building the bottom wing.  Basically the same process.

Fun watching - thanks.

Something you may want to try: VERY lightly spray the wax paper with lo-tack/repositionable adhesive before you start building. That will aid in positioning pieces ... and as handy, after you remove the magnets, the pieces  stay flat to make sanding easy!!

Gene K
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on March 18, 2019, 08:16:30 AM
Cool idea, Gene.  I should give that a go.  Sounds like when you remove PE parts.  Keeps things in place.  ;)

My camera ran out of batteries but here is a short...well...if you have 6 minutes to waste...video of separating the ailerons in prep for making them hinged.  Worked quite well, I might add!

Sorry for the lack of photos...Dan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5hQaCshW3Y
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on March 18, 2019, 03:00:55 PM
Well...here is one photo of the top wing with the ailerons removed!

I'll sand in my scallops next and then try some covering...a dainty job ahead.

Thanks for looking!
Dan
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: RAGIII on March 18, 2019, 10:51:25 PM
Outstanding progress. You are making this look easy but I know it is not!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: PrzemoL on March 20, 2019, 09:37:36 PM
Spectacular scratch building results, as usual from your hands!
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: Terri on March 21, 2019, 12:22:10 PM
Super job on the wing Dan  :) What are you using to glue the tissue onto the wing ?




Terri
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on March 31, 2019, 04:17:59 PM
Thanks so much, folks!

Terri:  I'll add a link to a video showing how I cover with tissue, but I use a cheap glue stick rather than dope of my youth.  This stuff works great and is very forgiving.

In the mean time, I got the wings all ready for covering by adding little balsa gussets as tissue anchors, made the pockets for the strut locations, and even added a tissue tube soaked in water and wood glue formed around the trailing edge of the upper wing center cut out.  That will be a dicey place to cover, so I hope that works and is hidden under the lozenge!

I also printed some lozenge onto tissue (using an old decal set as a guide...enlarging it and printing directly onto white tissue).  Seems to look ok.  The smear on the top side was a printer hiccup but since my tissue is kind of dear...I'm using it anyway.  A little weathering!   ::)

One cool thing is that the top pattern was spliced together just like the original since I didn't have a clean single piece to put over the whole top.  Looks cool!

I plan on finishing this one tomorrow and then doing the top wing as well.  Then I'll cover the tails and all that will be needed for major building will the  the fuse! 

Watch this space for a link on how the tissue process goes (for those unfamiliar or interested) and the finished tails too!

Going quite well, I must say.

Cheers,
Dan
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: RAGIII on March 31, 2019, 10:18:51 PM
Your home made lozenge tissue looks great! I am liking this build a lot!!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on April 01, 2019, 02:30:32 PM
Thanks, Rick.  The fun part is that you actually put it together like the real thing.  Turns out pretty cool!

I got the bottom wing done and then covered the tails as well.  I'll add markings next and these will be ready for the rest of the build to catch up!  :o

More soon...Dan
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: RAGIII on April 01, 2019, 10:43:29 PM
Again this looks Awesome! I have an old Guillows kit of the Camel I purchased about 4 years ago. You are making it tempting to pull out, dust off the box, and take a look  8)
RAGIII
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on April 02, 2019, 10:53:58 AM
Thanks again, Rick!  I just put on "my" Jasta colors on the tail.  Just some 3M post-it tape cut in thinner strips and airbrushed black Tamiya flat acrylics.  I don't think the weight penalty is too bad.  I also got the tails hinged as well!

I'll attempt to make some masks for the rudder and bottom wing markings tonight and see if I can't get those suckers on too...

Cheers,
Dan
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: Terri on April 02, 2019, 12:47:48 PM
Man , this is really coming together super so far Dan , love how the lozenge turned out on the wings  8)



Terri
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on April 02, 2019, 02:52:12 PM
Thanks, Terri.  It's going quite well!  Now if the dang thing will actually fly!!!!!

I sprayed on the markings tonight using Loctite to turn plain ol' paper into a slightly tacky mask.  I let it sit for about 5-10 minutes and then the paper would stay on for a nice, crisp edge, but not pull up the delicate tissue.  Worked a treat as I've never tried this before.  I don't know how common it is.  Likely everyone does this... ::)

Anyway, I'll start covering the top wings tomorrow using the same techniques, spray on the markings and then start the fuselage before next weekend! 

There is an IPMS show coming up in my parts in two weeks and I need to get my WNW Halbersadt done too!  I hope I make it.

Cheers and thanks for looking...Dan  ;)
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on April 03, 2019, 12:25:46 PM
 All...
Here is a family portrait of all the markings and plane parts to date.  I got the top wing all covered etc. today and it went well.  I'll start the fuselage next and it will begin to look like a real Albatros soon!

Thanks again for looking and the encouragement.
Dan
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: Juan on April 03, 2019, 01:51:56 PM
Wow Dan, great workmanship.  The family portrait looks great...  Hoping the rest of the family joins in the fun.
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: RAGIII on April 03, 2019, 11:07:12 PM
All of the Markings turned out Fantastic! Lovely work!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: Terri on April 04, 2019, 10:44:46 AM
Very coool ! :)



Terri
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: lone modeller on April 06, 2019, 05:02:09 AM
Dan I am catching up after a long break: I cannot express in words just how impressed I am with this build. I like it because it is just so differnt, but also because it is so realistic. You have written that it is like building a miniature of the original and it seems that is exactly what you are doing. Your modelling skills are so varied - just wish I had a few of them.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on April 06, 2019, 09:28:48 AM
Thanks Juan, Rick, Terri and Stephen!  Much appreciated.  This one is really fun to make and tonight I'll start the fuselage!  Can't wait.  I need to be careful from this point on as it still needs to be light enough to fly well.  Hopefully that all goes according to plan!

If you have a few minutes/are bored/slightly interested...here is a link to a YouTube showing some sped-up parts of covering the bottom wing with some commentary too.  All other coverings were just the same but it would give you a flavor (at least).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFS_ifO1R4o

Cheers and more soon,
Dan
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: Terri on April 06, 2019, 10:28:01 AM
This will fly in the end ? ....I got to see that . Will you be doing a video ?



Terri
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on April 06, 2019, 02:10:48 PM
This will fly in the end ? ....I got to see that . Will you be doing a video ?



Terri

HECK YEAH!!!!!
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: gbrivio on April 06, 2019, 05:02:33 PM
How amazing these flying surfaces, and great videos. It's really going to be something very special.
Ciao
Giuseppe
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: andonio64 on April 07, 2019, 02:40:17 AM
Beautiful, amazing!!!!

Dan you're a real master!!!!

Antonio
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on April 08, 2019, 10:19:36 AM
Thanks Antonio and Giuseppe!

Here is the fuselage started.  I cut out all the formers and the main top and bottom keels.  Keels and the formers forward of the cockpit are 1/16th balsa while the formers toward the rear are 1/32nd to save weight.  A side keel goes along this guy and the we'll pull it all off the board and put the mated formers on the other side.  Then...stringers!

Thanks for looking (again)!
Dan
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: RAGIII on April 08, 2019, 11:01:25 PM
Your fuselage is really shaping up well Awesome work!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: Gene K on April 09, 2019, 12:40:28 AM
..here is a link to a YouTube showing some sped-up parts of covering the bottom wing with some commentary too.
Thanks, Dan ... very instructional. What/which  Isopropanol do you use?

IAlso, is the tissue you use from volareproducts.com the Easki? They don't carry or are out of white.

Thanks,

Gene K
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on April 09, 2019, 02:12:54 AM
..here is a link to a YouTube showing some sped-up parts of covering the bottom wing with some commentary too.
Thanks, Dan ... very instructional. What/which  Isopropanol do you use?

IAlso, is the tissue you use from volareproducts.com the Easki? They don't carry or are out of white.

Thanks,

Gene K

Hi Gene...

I just use plain ol' iso from my local food store or drug store.  I thin my Tamyia paints with this as well.

I just looked and you are right!  I don't see any white tissue on the Volare site.  I did look at Peck Polymers and they seem to have it!

https://www.peck-polymers.com/japanese-tissue

Cheers,
Dan
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on April 09, 2019, 01:21:19 PM
Hello All...

Here is a tiny bit more working on the fuselage.  I'm making a little video I'll post later if you want to see some of the "in progress" manipulations.  None would be hard for ANYONE here, I might add.  I'm humbled looking at your work.

Until then...some photos.  Basically, you lay down a keel of 1/16th balsa and then add formers keeping them at right angles.  Then you pull it all off and add formers on the other side. Finally, you add side keels and stringers to fill out the shape.  Next steps will be to sheet in the cockpit area and the nose/engine.  Then I need to reinforce landing gear and cabane attachment points.  It will start coming together pretty quickly!

Thanks for looking,
Dan
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: bobs_buckles on April 09, 2019, 04:30:49 PM
Magic!  ;)

von B
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: gbrivio on April 09, 2019, 05:20:37 PM
Great framework.
Ciao
Giuseppe
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: RAGIII on April 09, 2019, 09:30:52 PM
Excellent fuselage frame. You are moving along quickly on this one!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: pepperman42 on April 15, 2019, 02:43:55 AM
Catching up again. Really like the magnets and steel plate for working off the drawings. Watched the videos too and it shines a new light on scratchbuilding. With all that the home made doughnut might still be tops......

Steve
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on April 15, 2019, 06:39:50 AM
Oh man, Steve...you should taste them.  I've told my son to only make those when I'm out of town.  I'd eat the whole batch at one sitting.

I hope to add some more today and another little video too.  Watch this space...

Dan
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: p9o1r1sche on April 15, 2019, 09:24:39 PM
Coming along nicely, Dan.

I presume the fuse will be tissue covered vs. balsa sheeted?  Balsa sheeting would add weight and adversely affect the flying characteristics.
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: lone modeller on April 16, 2019, 04:10:30 AM
I do love a bit of scratchbuilding, and this is among the best. This will be spectacular when finished, especially as it will fly!

Stephen.
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: Terri on April 16, 2019, 10:06:03 AM
Dan , wish you would hurry up and get her done , I want to see her fly ! :-X




Terri ;)
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on April 17, 2019, 01:15:44 PM
Hi Ken, Stephen and Terri!

I am trying to work on it...right now I've been bogged down with work but soon, I tell you!

Ken: I'm going to use tissue for the weight savings.  The nose and area around the engine and cockpit will be 1/32nd sheet, though. If I put some color on the tissue, it will look pretty nice even though you can see the stringers. 

Thanks (again) for looking and spurring me on (Terri!)... >:( ;) ;D

Dan
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: p9o1r1sche on April 17, 2019, 10:20:31 PM
Sheeting the front makes sense to me, as you will probably need to add weight in the nose to get the balance point right anyway.  Also the sheeting will be more durable than tissue in the underside area of the nose.
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: Terri on April 18, 2019, 09:40:57 AM
Your welcome Dan !




Terri
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: Jeff K on April 18, 2019, 06:26:46 PM
watching with interest. last time i build a stick 'n' tissue the sticks went fine, the tissue not so much. in my defense i was 12 at the time.

i'm keen on crashing--i mean flying--oh who am i kidding, i mean crashing--some models. the Micro Aces foamie kits look superb, but your build has me contemplating sticks 'n' tissue. it's how the originals went together!

micro-miniature, ultra light weight R/C hardware has progressed so far that even if i build a small one i can R/C it up and crash it. i haven't built anything tiny yet, but if you're interested in going crazy and making an RC ship i can drop links to sites with tiny parts, etc.
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on July 22, 2019, 02:43:03 PM
Holy Hannah...I can't believe it's been that long!  So many things on the fire and real life getting in the way.  You all know the idea.
Anyway, I got the fuselage finished and started some painting.  Now I can start assembly and there is a chance I'll get her done by the August deadline.  Maybe not test flown, but we'll see!
Thanks for looking...Dan
Title: Re: Halberstadt CL-II and Albatros DVa Stick and Tissue From Old Guillow's Plans
Post by: RAGIII on July 22, 2019, 08:43:11 PM
Really looking great! I Love the scheme, Jasta 6 I presume?
RAGIII