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Title: CSM Nieuport xvii (early) - COMPETED
Post by: Edo on February 09, 2019, 11:02:21 PM
Hi all.
First off I'd like to turn my thougths to Des the founding father of this wonderful community whose work inspired so much all of us... I hope this build will be of such a quality to honor your memory.

Now, let's start with some images of my progresses so far. As already said this is a great kit I was very impressed on opening the box and now that I started building it I can tell that it is also very well engineered.

(https://i.imgur.com/rYfVXA3.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/mqm2neF.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/W8NXf64.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/o3uyqZV.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/mFcsbx4.jpg)
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: Alexis on February 09, 2019, 11:25:01 PM
Off to a very nice start so far Edo  :)




Terri
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: Juan on February 10, 2019, 12:07:26 AM
Great start Edo, looking forward to your progress.
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: Monty on February 10, 2019, 12:51:22 AM
That is a great start Edo! I'm sure Des would be following with rapt attention! Yes, we miss him, but his legacy endures!

Regards,
Marc
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: Borsos on February 10, 2019, 02:25:33 AM
Very nice start on a very nice kit. The internal rigging looks great!
Andreas
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: GAJouette on February 10, 2019, 04:17:00 AM
 Edo,
You're off to an outstanding start my old friend. The quality of your projects is never in doubt. All the best of luck to you in this GB.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette

PS: Who's marking will you be using?
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: gbrivio on February 10, 2019, 04:22:58 AM
Nice start on the Nieuport.
Ciao
Giuseppe
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: RAGIII on February 10, 2019, 07:56:01 AM
Great start on your Nieuport! You are now about 3 steps ahead of mine  ::) All looks fantastic!
RAGIII
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: Edo on February 10, 2019, 06:52:39 PM
thank you friends!
your ecouragement and appreciation, is really most welcome!
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: Juan on February 10, 2019, 11:24:57 PM
Great start Edo, beautifully done.
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: Manni on February 11, 2019, 04:10:45 PM
Very nice start. Very accurate rigging and beautiful wood tones.
Bye, Manni
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: Edo on February 16, 2019, 01:47:34 AM
Hi all!
I am very happy for your support and encouragement! It really means a lot!

Have you seen how popular this group build has become? I guess the site's traffic has doubled at least since it has beel launched. Des has made another wonder: bringing again all of us togheter...

well, well time for some pictures... I am still working on the cockpit which is very detailed and it is more difficult to put togheter then the beauty of the parts or the cleverness of the engineering suggest...

(https://i.imgur.com/foUCnXW.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/yExxIFY.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/SCVprgA.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/DMRrJlD.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/fKTEM8N.jpg)

I tried some variations on the woodgrain, someplaces more reddish, some more yellowish... I am happy wth the result but I am not sure it shows out in the pictures.

and speaking of woodgrain, I would like you help on the propeller: were french props as laminated as the german ones? or were they more uniform in colour as the british ones?

thank you again! and keep up the wonderful work of your builds!

ciao
edo
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: RAGIII on February 16, 2019, 02:14:20 AM
Outstanding work. Looking terrific!
RAGIII
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: Edgar on February 16, 2019, 03:40:51 AM
Just wanted to point that you did safety belts somewhat not really according to a real plane)
I mean it is rather thick leather that is pinned to the chair
and since it is secured it is easier to put it aside and have  a clear seat, than to have the belts inside the chair)

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSJLF6fdTAt1IjhThSJVE8PYdMC29KEMpn3QdPIYerUF7UrW2adfw)
As for side panels, please do not repeat someone`s mistake - the inside of the hatched holes are painted in blue? this is not metal)) I mean it should be for sure ply)
(http://users.skynet.be/fa233213/Images/RealAircrafts/Nieuport23/Nieuport23_041123DC_002.jpg)

Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: Gisbod on February 16, 2019, 05:17:54 PM
Looking good Edo!

I must try this kit.


Guy
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: Edo on February 16, 2019, 06:28:49 PM
hi edgard!
thank you very much! your input is much appreciated!
you are absolutely right ! you have cought me with my hands in the jam!!! ;)
to my excuse I have to say that working with pe is really hard to me... nothing wrong with the model, which is super, but I have not find a way to domesticate it.... So I did not manage to position the belt in a satisfactory way... I tried anhealing it, bending and gluing but it was not satisfactory at all, in the end I was really upset with my self and I thought to throw it in the bin.... then I choose e simpler, but wrong, accomodation ;D
So it will stay as is....

as for the colour of the hatches.... fortunately I am still in time to amend! thank you very much, I really thougt it was metal!

thank you again
ciao
edo
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: Borsos on February 16, 2019, 10:27:10 PM
Great progress on the interior Edo. You achieved a lovely weathered fuel tank!
For me the warning regarding the hatched holes comes too late. Annoying, but anyway, it’s hard to see it on the inside.
Andreas
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: gbrivio on February 17, 2019, 04:51:09 AM
Good work till now. I may be wrong, but looking at Edgar's picture the inner ring of the maintenance hutch looks a metal plate, while looking at some pictures in the Nieuport Windsock Datafile is visibly plywood. I think it's possible that different batches had different parts or a field modification was applied with a metal reinforcement. I'm going anyway to modify the colour on my one, as probably the original configuration was an all plywood skin.
Ciao
Giuseppe
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: Monty on February 18, 2019, 01:27:35 AM
Lovely work, Edo! I'm enjoying your cockpit deteailing very much and learning so much about this famous aircraft at the same time! I will follow this build carefully! Regards, Marc
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: Borsos on February 18, 2019, 05:22:04 AM
„and speaking of woodgrain, I would like you help on the propeller: were french props as laminated as the german ones? or were they more uniform in colour as the british ones?



Edo, what I learned from Xan is that French props were painted with a red brown color that covered all the wood grain.
(http://i35.servimg.com/u/f35/14/14/01/64/levyyc10.jpg)
I hope that helps.
Best regards
Andreas
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: Edo on February 18, 2019, 03:59:33 PM
thank you guys! your comments are always appreciated!

ahahh! Borsos! thank you very much! so it is useless for me to simulate wood grain... this really helps!
thank you again!
ciao
edo
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: Edo on February 23, 2019, 11:38:00 PM
Hi all!
just a quick update on the cockpit side which is now ready.
The only worthy part I'd like to point out is the pulsometer that i enhanced with clear stretched sprue.
I hope you like it

ciao
Edo

(https://i.imgur.com/2sXs8WA.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/KsnmODF.jpg)

p.s.ah! yes, I could not resist the temptation to add some pipes as well...
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: Juan on February 23, 2019, 11:41:31 PM
Great additions Edo, looks great.
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: pepperman42 on February 23, 2019, 11:58:04 PM
Nice progress!!

Steve
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: Alexis on February 24, 2019, 02:43:16 AM
Very nice progress so far and the added detail really adds to it .





Terri
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: Edo on March 09, 2019, 09:50:15 PM
Hey friends!
thank you for your kind comments!
This group build is deliverig the higest standards of modelling, and I am really honoured to partecipate.  :)
well, well, time for an update...

started working on the wings...
(https://i.imgur.com/1Cnne8r.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/tx20FAg.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/0sSOAQ1.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/hX8anC2.jpg)

and engine...

(https://i.imgur.com/57yoMRf.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Kgix7FK.jpg)
here you can see that I lost the distributor... due to the carpet monsetr... had to replace somehow...

while the cockpit is done!

(https://i.imgur.com/D4acsOk.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/UBokC25.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/6TBHZcU.jpg)

this is all for now, I hope you'll like it!

ciao
Edo
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: Alexis on March 09, 2019, 11:36:47 PM
Really like how the pit turned out Edo , very nicely done . The carpet monster will always be lurking ..waiting ..snickering  for that one part to go flying . I have hard wood flooring in my house . No carpet but yet the carpet monster still remains  :-[

Nice job on the engine wiring . Once the engine is in place no would be able to notice it . Good save Edo  :)




Terri
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: RAGIII on March 10, 2019, 02:07:19 AM
Terrific painting and subtle shading, lovely cockpit, and the engine is gorgeous!
RAGIII
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: Juan on March 10, 2019, 03:50:01 AM
Great update Edo, fantastic all around.
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: kensar on March 10, 2019, 06:36:18 AM
Very good detail painting in the cockpit, Edo.  Thanks for bringing up the prop color, as I am building a French plane, also.

Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: pepperman42 on March 11, 2019, 11:50:12 PM
Great update!! That jumped ahead!!

Steve
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: jknaus on March 12, 2019, 12:18:19 AM
Fantastic work there. Will really help with my build as well. Looking forward to more.
James
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: Edo on March 24, 2019, 12:03:01 AM
Hi guys!
Thank you for your comments: they are much appreciated!!  ;D

Now, just a quick update....
I closed the fusolage, and -i am heading to adding the second wing...

(https://i.imgur.com/LK9iAbC.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/EgC1rzT.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/2RhCPXi.jpg)

not as simple as it might seem, but still fun...
all the best!
ciao
Edo
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: RAGIII on March 24, 2019, 01:15:12 AM
Nice work on the rigging prep. Looks awesome with almost everything in place!
RAGIII
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: gbrivio on March 24, 2019, 05:03:05 AM
Nice progress on your Nieuport build. Looking forward for top wing.
Ciao
Giuseppe
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: pepperman42 on March 24, 2019, 03:27:23 PM
Nice work!!

Steve
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: Alexis on March 25, 2019, 08:32:28 AM
Looking good Edo !  :)




Terri
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: lone modeller on March 27, 2019, 03:47:51 AM
Edo this is exceptionall good. The pulseometer and extra pipework, together with the turnbuckles in the cockpit take this to a level of modelling which can only come from a master modeller. It may not be easy but you make it look as though it is.

Stephen.
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: Edo on March 27, 2019, 03:56:12 PM
thank you Stephen!
you are too good!

in the mean while, I closed and painted the fusolage, tonight i’m going to fix the upper wing.... new pics over the week end! ;)
ciao
edo
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: xan on March 31, 2019, 04:20:17 PM
Hi edo wich colors will you use for the camouflage?
I used  gunze H340 Field green et de gunze H75 darks sea grey for green, and  gunze H406 chocolat brown.
For light blue it is all free, no one knows the blue it was... (no pics, no paints, no fabric piece)

Xan
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: Edo on March 31, 2019, 06:03:48 PM
hi Xan!
i usually mix my own colours, so I am never realistic, but more on the artistic licence side...
i use tamyia acrilics, in this case i used flat earth + 30% black and nato green + 50% white. don’t count much on that proportions even...  ;D
i’ll try to post some pictures later....
ciao
edo
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: dr 1 ace on April 03, 2019, 07:06:43 AM
Wonderful progress !

Ed
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: Edo on April 21, 2019, 01:17:41 AM
Hi all! it has been a while, but now I can show you some progress...
I was distracted by another project, so little progress on this one, indeed it was stalled since I wanted to take some picture before finish...
ok here they are, I hope you'll enjoy!

(https://i.imgur.com/NnNibgo.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/yXtECki.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/XhlsNp1.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/6cruic9.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/OwixOpe.jpg)

Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: RAGIII on April 21, 2019, 03:07:13 AM
Looks awesome! Love the camo and the rigging is excellent.
RAGIII
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: Borsos on April 21, 2019, 04:12:28 AM
I didn’t see that for a while. What a shame, it is simply amazing! I love the colors you mixed as I love the weathering.
Best regards
Andreas
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: Alexis on April 21, 2019, 10:41:36 PM
Really shaping up wonderful Edo . Rigging turned out super as well . What did you use for your turnbuckles ?



Terri
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: Edo on April 28, 2019, 04:24:21 PM
thank you guys!
i really appreciate your comments!
Terri, i made the turnbuckles with brass tube (0.5 mm diameter the one my stash is running low....) and copper wire
hope to show you some picture of the finished model soon...
ciao
edo
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: andonio64 on April 28, 2019, 05:21:35 PM
Hi Edo, your Ni17 looks really a beauty!

I look forward to the "completed" photos!
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: gbrivio on April 28, 2019, 09:08:53 PM
Really well painted and rigged, I really like your finishing.
Ciao
Giuseppe
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: Edo on April 28, 2019, 10:02:05 PM
thank you friends!!
 :)
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: Manni on April 29, 2019, 04:59:47 PM
Beautiful work, The paint looks great and the subtile weathering is very nice, good job!
Bye,
Manni
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: Edo on May 27, 2019, 03:23:14 AM
Hi all,
at last I am here to report my last pictures of this buid.
I took some 'artistic' licenece as I wanted a spot of colour on my model... so I hope you'll be patient with me...
I also whant to say it again, this is a great model indeed and an I hope CSM will keep on producing such gems also in the future!  :)

(https://i.imgur.com/6XoXggy.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/WxaAWs6.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/orbLetZ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/7pxwjMb.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/2a0pUmg.jpg)

This is it, I hope you'll like it... by the way: do I have to open a topic in the finished models?

ciao
Edo
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: RAGIII on May 27, 2019, 04:53:30 AM
Very nicely done ! You are certainly correct about the quality of the kit and I agree wholeheartedly about hoping for future CSM kits in this scale! The white cowling does add a bit of extra color to the scheme  8)
RAGIII
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: pepperman42 on June 03, 2019, 09:48:43 PM
Nice work!!

Steve
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: andonio64 on June 04, 2019, 03:43:47 PM
Great work Edo!
As usual!!!
;-)

Antonio
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: GazzaS on June 04, 2019, 05:18:37 PM
That is beautiful, Edo! 
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: aliluke on June 04, 2019, 05:37:24 PM
A beauty Edo for sure. Great rendition of a remarkable wee aeroplane. Congratulations!

Alistair
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: kensar on June 04, 2019, 09:19:19 PM
A great looking model, Edo.  The delicate rigging gives me the impression of what a 'kite' these planes were.
Title: Re: CSM Nieuport xvii (early)
Post by: Edo on June 05, 2019, 02:54:28 PM
thank you all, my friends! you are really nice! :)
ciao
edo