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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Completed models => Topic started by: rhallinger on November 03, 2012, 07:18:00 AM

Title: 1/32 Roden Fokker DR1: Lothar's Tripe
Post by: rhallinger on November 03, 2012, 07:18:00 AM
My latest addition:

(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5533.jpg)

(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5534.jpg)

(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5531.jpg)

(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5532.jpg)

Okay, I admit it, I'm a sucker for the DR1! (two of my five builds have been Tripes  :D).  I had the Cutting Edge decals for Lothar Von Richthofen's DR1, so I jumped in.  The build was OOB using the Squadron/Encore kit of Voss's F1, which includes the full set of Roden sprues to allow building either an F1 or a DR1, plus PE.  Having already built one Roden Tripe, I was aware of the problem areas, so this build was quicker and smoother than the first effort (far less cursing this time around  ::)).  I'm getting to like these kits!  :D

I first painted this bird as it came from the factory, with olive green streaked paint over CDL on the upper surfaces, white rudder, solid olive green cowling, forward fusealage top and landing gear sub-wing, and light blue undersurfaces.  I did all of the streaking on the aircraft using a base coat of Pollyscale acrylic Concrete to represent CDL, which was sealed with Future then overstreaked with artists oils.  After five days of drying in a sealed container, the oils were sealed with Future and then the yellow was airbrushed on the top wing, empennage and rear fuselage.  I used multiple thin coats and tried to leave just a hint of the streaking showing through from underneath.  You can barely see it in the photos.  I used Pollyscale Reefer Yellow acylic, since I had a fresh bottle on hand and it seemed to match the color profile from Cutting Edge.  The red cowling, struts and wheel covers were Tamiya Red over the original base color.  Undersides were Misterkits Fokker Turquoise.  A 50/50 mix of Future and Pollyscale flat finish provided a uniform  satin finish.  Bob's Buckles and monofilament completed the simple rigging.

I am very satisfied with the final outcome.  Check one more off of my DR1 build list.  ;D  I see Voss, MVR, Jacobs, Kempf, Baumer, Raben, Weiss and Frommhertz in my future!    ;)  Yikes!  ::)

Regards,

Bob       
Title: Re: 1/32 Roden Fokker DR1: Lothar's Tripe
Post by: Chris Johnson on November 03, 2012, 08:21:13 AM
Very nicely done indeed, and in particular, your streaking effect! If I ever build another one, it'll be Lothar's as I like the colour scheme.

Cheers,

Chris
Title: Re: 1/32 Roden Fokker DR1: Lothar's Tripe
Post by: Des on November 03, 2012, 08:31:36 AM
An excellent result Bob, the streaking is superb and the overall finish on this model is very eye catching, very well done.

Nothing at all wrong with Roden kits, I have built their entire 1:32 scale WW1 range and was very happy with the kits.

Des.
Title: Re: 1/32 Roden Fokker DR1: Lothar's Tripe
Post by: coyotemagic on November 03, 2012, 09:09:04 AM
Superbly done, Bob.  The streaking is truly brilliant and you got the yellow just right, allowing the perfect amount of streaking to show through.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: 1/32 Roden Fokker DR1: Lothar's Tripe
Post by: Epeeman on November 04, 2012, 08:03:27 AM
Bob,

Just to echo what others have said - a superb job - I also like the Lothar von Richtofen's colour scheme on the DR1.

Regards

Dave
Title: Re: 1/32 Roden Fokker DR1: Lothar's Tripe
Post by: pepperman42 on November 04, 2012, 08:42:29 AM
Great looking tripe in a classic scheme. Show us the other ones!!!

Steve
Title: Re: 1/32 Roden Fokker DR1: Lothar's Tripe
Post by: GAJouette on November 04, 2012, 10:37:05 PM
  Bob,
Magnificent Fokker my friend. Lothar is surely smiling down at his lovely Tripe.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: 1/32 Roden Fokker DR1: Lothar's Tripe
Post by: WarrenD on November 05, 2012, 02:10:14 AM
Very nice. I'm a sucker for tripes too.

Warren
Title: Re: 1/32 Roden Fokker DR1: Lothar's Tripe
Post by: Whiteknuckles on November 23, 2012, 03:03:01 PM
Lovely Tripe Bob and an inspiration for my own ;)

Andrew
Title: Re: 1/32 Roden Fokker DR1: Lothar's Tripe
Post by: rhallinger on November 23, 2012, 11:39:26 PM
Inspiration is one of the great things about this forum, Andrew. When I see all of the great work by others here, I want to keep learning and sharing and build better models. I can't believe how far I've come in a very short time. Thanks to Des and everyone else here for sharing in my improvement and inspiring me to keep getting better at this.  :)

Regards,

Bob
Title: Re: 1/32 Roden Fokker DR1: Lothar's Tripe
Post by: petrov27 on November 24, 2012, 12:00:07 AM
Fantastic build - probably the best rendition of Lothar's tripe I have seen!

-question - what colors of oils did you use for the streaking?
Title: Re: 1/32 Roden Fokker DR1: Lothar's Tripe
Post by: mgunns on November 24, 2012, 01:19:48 AM
Very nice Tripe Bob:  I too like Lothars scheme.  I have one on the shelf that needs a new tail skid that mysteriously disappeared!  I think you achieved your goal by using thin coats of yellow to allow some of the streaking to come through.  Nicely done.

Best

Mark
Title: Re: 1/32 Roden Fokker DR1: Lothar's Tripe
Post by: Adam on November 24, 2012, 05:04:20 AM
Very nice triplane, I'm now fighting with Fokker Dr.1, but I'm not planing to do more.  ;)

Adam.
Title: Re: 1/32 Roden Fokker DR1: Lothar's Tripe
Post by: rhallinger on November 24, 2012, 05:30:50 AM
Thanks for the kind words guys!

Petrov, I used Windsor & Newton Griffen Alkyd fast-drying oils, Olive Green, Titanium White and Burnt Umber. 

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8482/8210984437_c049edc127.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/90176211@N03/8210984437/)
IMG_5622 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/90176211@N03/8210984437/) by rhallinger (http://www.flickr.com/people/90176211@N03/), on Flickr

These are "fast drying", but you still need to let them dry in a sealed container for a couple of days.

Regards,

Bob
Title: Re: 1/32 Roden Fokker DR1: Lothar's Tripe
Post by: petrov27 on November 24, 2012, 09:10:44 AM
Thank you bob - I have noted the colors used for my future DrI build(s) - also the fast drying oils sound intriguing - my oils take like a week to dry.

Please forgive yet another question; for your Fokker streaking, do you streak the colors separately or did you mix up one "Fokker green" color from the three oils and streak that?
Title: Re: 1/32 Roden Fokker DR1: Lothar's Tripe
Post by: rhallinger on November 24, 2012, 10:14:29 AM
Petrov, I did the streaking per this tutorial on the Britmodeller site (make sure you scroll all the way down to near the end for the tutorial):

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=65072

I really liked the way it looked in the example at this link, and it's really easy with a little practice.  As you can see, it is done by blendimg separate streaks of color.  I want to try another with more CDL and less green.  I think there's lots of room for experimentation to match the prototypes, since no two machines were identical.

Regards,

Bob
Title: Re: 1/32 Roden Fokker DR1: Lothar's Tripe
Post by: petrov27 on November 24, 2012, 10:38:34 AM
Excellent - thanks again for the guidance to that link!
Title: Re: 1/32 Roden Fokker DR1: Lothar's Tripe
Post by: pepperman42 on November 24, 2012, 12:27:28 PM
Thanks for the link. Thats an approach I didnt think of and Im making the switch to alkyd paints. Looks to act the same as traditional oils and drys in a fraction of the time.

Steve
Title: Re: 1/32 Roden Fokker DR1: Lothar's Tripe
Post by: rhallinger on November 24, 2012, 01:10:18 PM
Gents:

I tried a couple of streaking techniques in practice on sheet styrene, and wasn't happy with the results until I found this link.  Turns out it's really very easy to do, and the oils are very easy to work with and forgiving.  If you aren't happy with how your streaking looks as you apply it, you can just add and blend more color, or simply wipe it all off and start again. 

Steve, the "fast-drying" oils still take a couple of days to dry completely, and I usually give them even more to be sure before I seal with Future.  I have heard that adding an art product called Liquin, a drying accelerator, helps speed up drying a great deal, but I haven't tried it yet.  Maybe on the Voss F.1, which is the next one on my Dreidecker list.  ;)

Regards,

Bob
Title: Re: 1/32 Roden Fokker DR1: Lothar's Tripe
Post by: petrov27 on November 24, 2012, 11:48:27 PM
It looks like you differed a little from the suggested base color on that link though - correct? You used a base of "CDL" whereas they used a Games Workshop light greenish color?

I would think your choice of CDL was a good one so that the plain fabric color showed through?

Definitely going to get some of those quick dry oils - my patience is strained with the regular kind even using several methods to get them to dry quicker I still pretty much have to leave them alone for a week (then again with my builds taking five years each to complete it shouldn't really be a big issue lol)
Title: Re: 1/32 Roden Fokker DR1: Lothar's Tripe
Post by: rhallinger on November 24, 2012, 11:50:42 PM
Technically, I should have referenced Alkyd rather than oil in my last post, but as Steve has noted, they work in all aspects just like oils (except they dry a bit faster), so I glibby refer to them as oils.  Give this technique a try,  I think you'll like it.  You can experiment with the base color, too.  I followed the tutorial and used a very pale green (PollyScale British Interior Green, similar to RLM 02) the first time (Becker's Jasta  12 DR1), with this result:

(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/Model%20Airplanes/IMG_4918.jpg)

On Lothar's Tripe I used PollyScale Concrete, a beige light gray color, as a base coat, and it came out like this:

http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5533.jpg

They're pretty close in tone, but I think Becker's looks a bit darker with more green, and Lothar's appears a bit lighter with more CDL showing.  That's what I was trying to achieve on Lother's bird.  I like them both.  I think you can also vary the look by how you blend the colors.  Experiment and have fun!  I plan to!  :D

Regards,

Bob

Title: Re: 1/32 Roden Fokker DR1: Lothar's Tripe
Post by: rhallinger on November 25, 2012, 12:03:07 AM
When I do Voss's F.1 I will have to decide on an appropriate base coat . . . not that I want to renew that old debate here!  ::)
I'll probably go with a whiter CDL with perhaps a very very slight tinge of blue, in an effort to compromise.  :)  I have read that the F.1 was covered with bleached linen (or unbleached? I can't remember) so it was whiter than the usual CDL.  I'll also have to use more white in the streaking than the last two, as the F.1 seemed to have less streaking than normal in many of the photos.  This will all require some experimentaion on scrap before painting the model itself.

One could spend years modeling only the Dr.1 and always be doing something new.  ;)   Have fun guys!

Regards,

Bob
Title: Re: 1/32 Roden Fokker DR1: Lothar's Tripe
Post by: RAGIII on November 25, 2012, 12:20:50 AM
Bob,
Beautiful triplane! I love the overall finish and of course your streaks are excellent. Not getting into the Voss thing except to say I like blue as a base because it is so different and so unprovable either way  :-X  At any rate Lovely build and looking forward to more.
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/32 Roden Fokker DR1: Lothar's Tripe
Post by: rhallinger on November 25, 2012, 01:19:58 AM
Rick, for the record, I like the idea of blue also, so there will likely be at least a blue tinge on the Voss build.   ;)  You're just going to have to wait to see whether the cowl and wheels are olive green or yellow.  ::)

Thanks for your kind words.  The Voss project will be after the Group Build Lloyd, so not until next Summer.

Regards,

Bob
Title: Re: 1/32 Roden Fokker DR1: Lothar's Tripe
Post by: pepperman42 on November 25, 2012, 02:05:29 AM
Thanks for the further info. Its interesting how much the base colour shifts the streaking tones...and I like the yellow Voss cowl for what its worth ;)
Steve
Title: Re: 1/32 Roden Fokker DR1: Lothar's Tripe
Post by: petrov27 on November 25, 2012, 03:42:16 AM
Thanks again for all the additional info! Looks like you are going to have quite the collection of DrIs! I still wish I had picked up a couple more of those Encore DrIs when they were on sale dirt-cheap....
Title: Re: 1/32 Roden Fokker DR1: Lothar's Tripe
Post by: rhallinger on November 25, 2012, 03:15:05 PM
Petrov, that's exactly what I did---grabbed a few of the Encore kits at really low prices.  They're a great value with the PE and resin parts included.   :)  I knew I was going to be doing a few Dreideckers.  ;)

Steve, you didn't hear it from me, and I'll deny it if pressed, but...shhhhh  :-X I like the yellow cowl too.   ;)

Regards,

Bob