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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: coyotemagic on December 03, 2018, 02:20:13 PM

Title: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: coyotemagic on December 03, 2018, 02:20:13 PM: I brought these beauties home with me from Telford and couldn't decide which to build first, so I'm building them both together.
(https://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/CSM%20Nieuport%2017s/2018-11-24%2022.40.22_zpsg7a8jyqm.jpg)

For the early version, I'll be doing Matton's aircraft.
(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/CSM%20Nieuport%2017s/Nieuport%2017%20Matton_zpsbvia8rlz.jpg)

And I'll be doing Nungesser's famous N1895 for my late version.
(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/CSM%20Nieuport%2017s/Nieuport%2017%20Nungesser_zpsob5ufttr.jpg)

I chose this one to go with his Nieuport 25 that I built years ago.
(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/nieuport%2025%20project/DSC00304.jpg)

Got a little paint on some of the bits.
(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/CSM%20Nieuport%2017s/2018-12-02%2014.49.41_zpsfcysvpgm.jpg)

These cockpits are very detailed, more so even than most of the WNW single seaters, so I don't anticipate a speedy build. Then again, these are wonderfully engineered kits and they may go together more smoothly than I expect. We'll see. I can see already that these are two of the finest kits I've ever laid eyes on.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: aliluke on December 03, 2018, 03:35:21 PM: Yay! I have the late version so am very much looking forward to seeing this log unfold. You are a pioneer for all here who have bought these kits. And they are sure in good hands.

Cheers
A
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: Ryan on December 03, 2018, 11:02:50 PM: Mine will be here any day now, watching with interest.

Ryan
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: Juan on December 03, 2018, 11:11:20 PM: Great start Bud, looking forward to your magic on these two beauties (mine are in NYC working their way down to me).
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: bobs_buckles on December 03, 2018, 11:30:37 PM: Holy-Bud-Moly! 8) :o

I'm along for the journey.

vB
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: ktrembacz on December 03, 2018, 11:31:56 PM: Looking forward to see more! :) I'm very curious of not Wingnut model :D
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: RAGIII on December 03, 2018, 11:44:30 PM: Outstanding start Bud. I am certainly going to follow along with what I am sure will be two Magnificent builds!
RAGIII
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: xan on December 04, 2018, 12:57:12 AM: I saw your pics in FB, but I will follow you here for sure...

Xan
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: dr 1 ace on December 04, 2018, 03:14:15 AM: Quote from: RAGIII on December 03, 2018, 11:44:30 PM
Outstanding start Bud. I am certainly going to follow along with what I am sure will be two Magnificent builds!
RAGIII

Ditto, and how I wish I had the time, mine has not yet arrived.

Ed
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: andonio64 on December 04, 2018, 03:33:37 AM: Interesting and challenging work you choose!
I'll follow you!

:-O
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: gbrivio on December 04, 2018, 04:19:35 AM: Good to see this double build, I will follow with interest.
Ciao
Giuseppe
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: Alexis on December 04, 2018, 11:01:52 AM: Following along on this one Bud , lovely choices for the schemes . :)

Terri
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: Gisbod on December 04, 2018, 03:23:09 PM: Very interesting Bud!

Guy
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: Edo on December 04, 2018, 04:00:46 PM: following too, it could as well be a building guide when i’ll start mine....
ciao
edo
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: Manni on December 04, 2018, 04:49:28 PM: Very good start. I will follow closely.
Bye,
Manni
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: mgunns on December 08, 2018, 10:11:12 PM: I'm with you on this one Bud. Looking forward to your progress.
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: Europapete on December 08, 2018, 11:35:12 PM: Great start Bud, following with interest, I grabbed an Early at Telford too. Regards Pete in RI
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: coyotemagic on December 19, 2018, 09:46:12 AM: Thank you for following along, guys.

With Rick and Andreas starting their's, I thought I'd better post some progress pics just so y'all know I'm still on it.
(https://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/CSM%20Nieuport%2017s/2018-12-18%2015.09.55_zpsqgkq665i.jpg)

Pete, did we meet while you were there?
(https://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/CSM%20Nieuport%2017s/2018-11-11%2010.23.15_zps7jk4tqez.jpg)
Left to right, Slava, me, Edgar and Sergey.

Or, perhaps, this lovely lady sold it to you. My wife, Carol, acted as translator whenever neither Edgar nor I were around. She sold quite a few kits.
(https://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/CSM%20Nieuport%2017s/2018-11-10%2016.21.39_zpsvduhy2ml.jpg)

Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: RAGIII on December 19, 2018, 10:04:58 AM: Your interiors are looking fabulous Amigo! I envy your being able to be at Scale Modelworld and interact with the whole CSM gang. Sounds like your Wife is quite the Spokesperson and saleswoman for CSM!
RAGIII
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: coyotemagic on December 19, 2018, 10:32:02 AM: Thanks, Amigo! As you have probably discovered by now, these interiors are very comprehensive kits themselves, down to the tiniest detail. So much fun, but time consuming.
Yes, SMW was a blast and Carol is an enthusiastic advocate for CSM.
Cheers,
Bud

PS- Check out page 7 of the latest Cher Ami. There, she's holding court, setting everyone straight on something. Can't remember what, but I'll bet Paul can.
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: Gene K on December 19, 2018, 10:28:29 PM: Quote from: coyotemagic on December 19, 2018, 10:32:02 AM
Check out page 7 of the latest Cher Ami.
Could you post a link, please?

Gene K
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: coyotemagic on December 20, 2018, 02:51:07 AM: Oops! Sorry, Gene. Here ya go.

https://connect.xfinity.com/appsuite/api/mail/Cher%20Ami%20Vol7%20Issue%204.pdf?action=attachment&folder=default0%2FINBOX&id=1247568&attachment=2&user=2&context=12678061&decrypt=&sequence=1&delivery=view
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: Gene K on December 20, 2018, 05:41:22 AM: Quote from: coyotemagic on December 20, 2018, 02:51:07 AM
https://connect.xfinity.com/appsuite/api/mail/Cher%20Ami%20Vol7%20Issue%204.pdf?action=attachment&folder=default0%2FINBOX&id=1247568&attachment=2&user=2&context=12678061&decrypt=&sequence=1&delivery=view

Thanks, but clicking on that link returns "Bad Request".

Gene K
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: coyotemagic on December 20, 2018, 05:48:56 AM: Quote from: Gene K on December 20, 2018, 05:41:22 AM
Quote from: coyotemagic on December 20, 2018, 02:51:07 AM
https://connect.xfinity.com/appsuite/api/mail/Cher%20Ami%20Vol7%20Issue%204.pdf?action=attachment&folder=default0%2FINBOX&id=1247568&attachment=2&user=2&context=12678061&decrypt=&sequence=1&delivery=view

Thanks, but clicking on that link returns "Bad Request".

Gene K
Hmmm. Works for me. Try going this route, Gene. Click on this link, then scroll to the bottom. Last one, Ami Cher Vol 7-4 Dec18.pdf.

Fingers crossed.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: Gene K on December 20, 2018, 06:26:09 AM: Clicking on that link returns "Bad Request" and I can't get further.

But thanks (again), I'll try sorting it out with another browser when I have time.

Gene K
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: Mike Norris (UK) on December 22, 2018, 09:15:12 PM: Hi Gene,
Try this link.

https://sites.google.com/site/greatwarsig/Resources (https://sites.google.com/site/greatwarsig/Resources)

Hi Bud,
I see the 'boss' wagging her finger at someone - were you sat opposite?
I see me and Sharon are sat at the back - I wonder what I'm bragging about!!

Mike
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: Daryl_Huhtala on December 23, 2018, 02:04:24 AM: Glad I found this build(s). I have an early Nieup wrapped and under the tree with my name on it.
My wife hasn't seen it yet so at least one of us will be surprised on Christmas morning :)
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: Gene K on December 23, 2018, 04:32:19 AM: Quote from: sandbagger on December 22, 2018, 09:15:12 PM
Try this link. https://sites.google.com/site/greatwarsig/Resources (https://sites.google.com/site/greatwarsig/Resources)

Perfect, thanks, Mike.

Gene K
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: Europapete on December 27, 2018, 12:02:12 AM: Hi Bud, looks like it was Slava who handed us the kit, while Carol whipped the money out of my hands! Lol. Check out the CSM photos on the Telford link in "hobby shows" regards Pete in RI
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: dr 1 ace on January 01, 2019, 07:25:54 AM: Bud,

Your progress looks good ! My N.17 was waiting for me when we returned Friday from our Christmas vacation with Brad, Rachel and Reese (now 4 & 1/2) in Seattle. But it'll be a while before getting it into the Queue.

Many things happening this coming year for us, will give you a call in a few days.

Ed
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: coyotemagic on January 01, 2019, 10:16:58 AM: Quote from: sandbagger on December 22, 2018, 09:15:12 PM

Hi Bud,
I see the 'boss' wagging her finger at someone - were you sat opposite?
I see me and Sharon are sat at the back - I wonder what I'm bragging about!!

Mike
Mike, thanks for coming through with that link.
I think Carol was directing her discourse to Paul Thompson, but I have no idea what it was. Paul seems rapt, though.
Looks like you may have been bragging about the size of something. I'm afraid I was too far away to hear. Sorry I couldn't be more help.
Cheers,
Bud

P.S.- It sure was fun hanging out with you and Sharon. Let's do it again sometime.
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: coyotemagic on January 01, 2019, 10:21:26 AM: Quote from: Daryl_Huhtala on December 23, 2018, 02:04:24 AM
Glad I found this build(s). I have an early Nieup wrapped and under the tree with my name on it.
My wife hasn't seen it yet so at least one of us will be surprised on Christmas morning :)
So, Daryl, what did you think? Great kit, ain't it. Have you started it yet?
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: coyotemagic on January 01, 2019, 10:25:39 AM: Quote from: Europapete on December 27, 2018, 12:02:12 AM
Hi Bud, looks like it was Slava who handed us the kit, while Carol whipped the money out of my hands! Lol. Check out the CSM photos on the Telford link in "hobby shows" regards Pete in RI
Carol's good at that. If that's you next to Slava, we did meet, if only briefly. Hope you're enjoying the kit. Just a word of advice. KEEP ALL PAINT OFF THE MATING SURFACES!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: coyotemagic on January 01, 2019, 10:27:59 AM: Quote from: dr 1 ace on January 01, 2019, 07:25:54 AM
Bud,

Your progress looks good ! My N.17 was waiting for me when we returned Friday from our Christmas vacation with Brad, Rachel and Reese (now 4 & 1/2) in Seattle. But it'll be a while before getting it into the Queue.

Many things happening this coming year for us, will give you a call in a few days.

Ed

Thanks, Amigo! I look forward to your call. You've got my curiosity aroused.
Happy New Year,
Bud
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: coyotemagic on January 01, 2019, 10:35:46 AM: Both interiors are finished! One last look before they disappear. Again, a word of advice, NO PAINT ON MATING SURFACES! Tolerances are very tight!
(https://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/CSM%20Nieuport%2017s/2018-12-22%2012.49.22_zpsxbzhz90z.jpg)

(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/CSM%20Nieuport%2017s/2018-12-22%2012.48.05_zpsow9dbra4.jpg)

I've got the early bird fully primed and ready for pre-shading and paint. The late one is close behind.
(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/CSM%20Nieuport%2017s/2018-12-31%2015.46.21_zpsstd2kkog.jpg)

Happy New Year to all my forum friends!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: gbrivio on January 01, 2019, 08:30:13 PM: Wonderful progress, interiors look very realistic and will be also a good reference to buildthese great model kits.
Happy new modelling year!
Giuseppe
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: krow113 on January 01, 2019, 10:38:25 PM: Very nice.
Looking forward to the engine work.
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: RAGIII on January 01, 2019, 11:34:42 PM: Outstanding cockpit work Amigo! You are inspiring me to work harder on my build!
RAGIII
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: Gisbod on January 02, 2019, 02:27:56 AM: Vvvvery nice Bud!

HNY to you too.

Guy
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: Juan on January 02, 2019, 03:58:46 AM: Great work so far Bud, love the differences between the early and late. Looking forward to your progress.
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: bobs_buckles on January 02, 2019, 06:10:52 AM: I can see you're enjoying yourself, Bud ;)
You and me, both!

vB ;) :)
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: Bughunter on January 02, 2019, 08:23:29 AM: Bud, you made a great work, but the kit seems also to be fantastic! My 1:48 Nieuport is far away in details from this one.
The way form the very first injection moulded kit in 2016 to this one - very impressive!

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: Borsos on January 02, 2019, 08:31:54 AM: Very nice and clean builds, Bud. I really like them and they remind me to get mine done...
Best regards
Andreas
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: aliluke on January 02, 2019, 03:06:48 PM: Excellent Bud
Just had a look at my late version and see how incredibly fine the parts are. The cockpit rigging looks to be particularly difficult. By the evidence to date, a challenge well progressed by you! I look forward to seeing more.

Cheers
Alistair
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: pepperman42 on January 06, 2019, 12:45:31 AM: Just catching up. Very nice work!!

Steve
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: jeroen_R90S on January 07, 2019, 06:08:06 AM: Very nice so far! What is the shiney stuff on the centre section of the top wing on the early version? Is it just clear tape, or some film or tape to simulate clear covering of the real thing?
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: Manni on January 07, 2019, 05:24:01 PM: Very nice progress, Bud. The interieur and the mid part of the upper wing looks really great.
Bye,
Manni
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: PrzemoL on January 07, 2019, 05:45:14 PM: Very nice interiors!!!
Good job, Bud. I am looking forward to see more progress.
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on January 30, 2019, 01:19:00 PM: wow bud those are looking amazing. drool worthy. you are a true master.
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: lone modeller on January 31, 2019, 04:08:52 AM: I am not sure how I have missed this until now so I have just read through your thread. It is very interesting to see the differences between the early and late variants, the more so as these differences have been really made clear via your first class modelling skills. The interiors look much larger than they really are, which reflects your skills as a master modeller.

Stephen.
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: coyotemagic on February 27, 2019, 04:18:54 AM: Thank you for your very generous comments, my friends! Sorry to have been so remiss in my postings, but I've either been too busy or too lazy lately. Maybe a little of both.
I did manage to finish both just last week and after a bit of a wrestling match with photobucket, I'm finally able to post photos.
(https://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/CSM%20Nieuport%2017s/2019-02-25%2010.27.32_zpsm0hxj6yg.jpg)

(https://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/CSM%20Nieuport%2017s/2019-02-25%2010.14.57_zpswlnlmpax.jpg)

More photos in the completed model section. Far too many, I'm afraid, and for that I appologize.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: Borsos on February 27, 2019, 04:26:00 AM: Both look very nice, Bud. I love the oil finding its way over the engine cover.
Andreas
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: coyotemagic on February 27, 2019, 05:01:09 AM: Thank you, Andreas! I was fortunate enough to see a Le Rhone powered Sopwith Camel in flight at Javier Arango's facility in Paso Robles during the League of WWI Aviation Historians convention in Monterey, CA, in 2011. When the Camel landed, oil was all over the cowling and undercarriage. I took photos and have been using those as a guide ever since.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: Juan on February 27, 2019, 05:30:04 AM: Two fantastic masterpieces Bud. Really admire your artistry.
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: coyotemagic on February 27, 2019, 05:39:52 AM: Thank you, Juan!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: Bughunter on February 27, 2019, 06:31:00 AM: Bud, two really nice Nieuports! Lovely painting on both, like the outcome.

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: huberlu on February 27, 2019, 06:50:12 AM: Two very beautiful constructions !!!

Landing gears are differents (short, long) ?
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: RAGIII on February 27, 2019, 08:43:46 AM: Your usual beautiful results Amigo! Lovely painting and subtle weathering. Beautiful rigging. You make me want to do a Nungesser bird someday....soon 8)
RAGIII
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: coyotemagic on February 27, 2019, 08:52:24 AM: Thank you, Frank! Both were a lot of fun to paint.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: coyotemagic on February 27, 2019, 08:54:41 AM: Quote from: huberlu on February 27, 2019, 06:50:12 AM
Landing gears are differents (short, long) ?

Merci, Luis!
The undercarriage struts are the same for both kits. The angle of the photos make one look longer than the other, I think.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: coyotemagic on February 27, 2019, 08:57:39 AM: Quote from: RAGIII on February 27, 2019, 08:43:46 AM
Your usual beautiful results Amigo! Lovely painting and subtle weathering. Beautiful rigging. You make me want to do a Nungesser bird someday....soon 8)
RAGIII
Thanks, Amigo! This is probably one of the easiest models to rig. Only 8 wing rigging lines and the space is excellent.
I have a feeling we're going to be building a lot of these Nieuports.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: Ryan on February 28, 2019, 01:39:06 AM: Bud they are both nice, but I like the camo rooster the best!

well done.
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: lone modeller on February 28, 2019, 03:36:06 AM: A lovely pair of Nieuports there Bud. As usual they are first class models which look much larger scale than they really are. Off to completed models to look at some more pics.

Stephen.
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: coyotemagic on February 28, 2019, 04:24:07 AM: Thanks, Ryan and Stephen!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: Borsos on February 28, 2019, 07:37:46 AM: Quote from: coyotemagic on February 27, 2019, 05:01:09 AM
Thank you, Andreas! I was fortunate enough to see a Le Rhone powered Sopwith Camel in flight at Javier Arango's facility in Paso Robles during the League of WWI Aviation Historians convention in Monterey, CA, in 2011. When the Camel landed, oil was all over the cowling and undercarriage. I took photos and have been using those as a guide ever since.
Cheers,
Bud

It is a very realistic detail and I think I will copy this on mine :)
Andreas
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: gbrivio on February 28, 2019, 08:42:38 AM: Beautiful pair of Nieuports, congratulations.
Ciao
Giuseppe
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: pepperman42 on February 28, 2019, 11:39:33 PM: And suddenly there they are!!!!! Both look great !!

Steve
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: andonio64 on March 01, 2019, 11:58:24 PM: Beautiful couple of brothers!

Antonio
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: coyotemagic on March 02, 2019, 12:56:50 AM: Many thanks, gentlemen! Greatly appreciated!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: Mike Norris (UK) on March 02, 2019, 02:16:47 AM: Great pair Bud - given me some ideas for when I tackle mine,

Mike
Title: Re: CSM Early and Late Nieuport XVII Dual Build
Post by: coyotemagic on March 02, 2019, 03:25:37 PM: Thanks, Mike! Looking forward to seeing you work your magic with these kits.
Cheers,
Bud