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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: Softscience on February 02, 2018, 01:31:13 PM
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And now for something completely different.
At least for me.
I'm still on the fence about 1/32 scale. It's a little too large, selection is limited, kits are expensive, and I really dislike WnW's business model of driving demand by limiting supply below the curve.
On the other hand, the detail is incredible, and people tell me that at least the WnW kits are great fun to build.
I have two WnW kits and an ancient hobby craft Nieuport 17, so it's time to try. Maybe the big details will be fun, maybe the bigger eyelets will be easier to string up, maybe I'll just use the scale for some favorites (the Nieuport sesquiplanes, Sopwith triplane, pup, camel, Albatros D.III and D.V, etc.). But I'm getting ahead of myself.
I purchased a WnW Albatros D.V back around 2011, built most of the fuselage and then got intimidated by the engine, and the rib tapes and the rigging and all of it.
Thanks to many of you folks, I've picked up a few skills and techniques, and now feel ready to continue my build.
Today I cleaned up the wings and began painting the ribs using a method I observed a few others use. I like how they turned out.
They're not as overpoweringly blue as the photos suggest. My desk lamps saturate everything.
(https://s20.postimg.org/jubgvt7ql/IMG_20180201_220938.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.org/ndxelmi65/IMG_20180201_221022.jpg)
The top surfaces will come tomorrow. They will be mauve and green. WnW suggest a mix of Tamiya aluminum and dark earth for the mauve. Surely, this can't be correct. The cockpit green for the green parts doesn't seem right, either.
Thoughts? Suggestions?
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Tamiya X-16 (gloss) is Purple; XF-16 (flat) is Flat Aluminum. The purple is called out in the instructions. Don't know how good the mix looks, as I've never tried to make it yet. As for the cockpit Grey-green, I have a photo in an old Windsock magazine somewhere of an Albatros D.V cockpit in color. XF-76 seems to be a decent match for the metal items in that photo.
Rich
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Rich is correct, the X-16 Purple is a good match when toned down a bit with the addition of the Dark Earth. Try it out on a piece of scrap plastic before using it on your model. The XF-76 Grey Green is a perfect match IMHO, Jamo's excellent photo coverage here will confirm that for you.
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=170.0
I'll be following your Build with interest, I believe once you get a few of these under your belt your reservations about 1:32 Scale will disappear!
Cheers,
Lance
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Your rib shading looks excellent. I am glad you have chosen to go back to this build and post your progress!
RAGIII
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Really good to see you tackle another WW1 type, even if it is the wrong scale! I am certain that you are going to make a first class model from this and I am really looking forward to see how you get on. You have already made a very good start: those ribs look very good to me.
Stephen.
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Really good to see you tackle another WW1 type, even if it is the wrong scale.
No worries, Stephen. I have a Gentlemen's Scale project on the go as well. No WIP thread, as thus far my success rate in 72 has been NIL, so will not post until I know I can make it happen.
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Hello again,
I've been working on the wings the last few evenings, trying to get the shading right. In the process I had some issues with paint lifting up, and just general screw ups associated with experimenting. I finally got things looking close to how I want them. I toned down the blue on the underside, and the rib shading up top is pretty subtle. Maybe a bit too subtle? Hard to see in some light.
(https://s20.postimg.org/7ecypqu8t/IMG_20180206_214559826_HDR.jpg)
more visible when you get up close.
(https://s20.postimg.org/kiij2fekt/IMG_20180206_214917890_HDR.jpg)
I still need to do some small touchups and clear coat everything.
But a question to you all - should the crosses also have the rib shading effect? If so, then any advice on how to achieve it? I'm entirely unsure of how to do this.
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Shading on your Alb looks fine IMO. Should you do it on crosses? Well, there is no question of "should" in it. It is a question of opinions and taste. Some say, no shading should be present. Some, like me, like to add it to emphasize the wing surface details. I would add some shading in white areas of crosses, not to have them standing out too brightly. Shading of black areas is more problematic. On black background I usually do it by applying very dark grey instead of black and then black shading. With crosses it is doable, but would require careful masking and spraying instead of decals. Alternatively you can also try some variation of matt, semi-gloss and gloss varnishes on decals - it can also work fine "shading" effects.
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Shading on your Alb looks fine IMO. Should you do it on crosses? Well, there is no question of "should" in it. It is a question of opinions and taste. Some say, no shading should be present. Some, like me, like to add it to emphasize the wing surface details. I would add some shading in white areas of crosses, not to have them standing out too brightly. Shading of black areas is more problematic. On black background I usually do it by applying very dark grey instead of black and then black shading. With crosses it is doable, but would require careful masking and spraying instead of decals. Alternatively you can also try some variation of matt, semi-gloss and gloss varnishes on decals - it can also work fine "shading" effects.
I agree with Przemol completely. It looks as though you shaded the white areas of the upper wing crosses and I would leave it as is! Otherwise another option is carefully applied pastel chalks on the black portions. JMHO.
RAGIII
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Your shading looks good to my eye, not too subtle at all. I use chalk pastels for almost all of my shading and, like Rick, use a little dark grey for the black portions of the crosses to give a consistent effect.
It's looking very good at this point!
Cheers,
Lance
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Pastels! Brilliant!
Thank's Rick and Lance.
And thanks, all of you, for the kind comments.
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Whatever you are doing, its working. Looks outstanding from where I sit.
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That shading is not too subtle in my eyes - just right actually. It is so easy to overdo these things - in which case it looks awful. This model really is turning into a very nice piece - looking forward to seeing more.
Stephen.
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Test fitting the wings. Got the decals on the fuselage. Next step will be to fix the crack that opened in the fuel tank and weather the fuselage.
(https://s20.postimg.org/c8cc5gge5/IMG_20180207_203445248_HDR.jpg)
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Looking fantastic with the wings placed in position. Lovely scheme.
RAGIII
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Nice shading :)
Terri
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I have been working on the tail. I tried two types of turnbuckle. Up top, I used stretched earbud shaft and then painted gunmetal and brass. Below I used the Des Delatore method of brass tube. I'm hesitant to overdo it with the tube, as it tends to be a good deal thicker than the rigging lines, and just sort of looks like it's dangling there. In this instance I thickened the line with some silver paint.
Pretty crude in comparison to what some of y'all are doing, but I think I'm happy with it.
Still need to add detail to the skid, flat coat the tail, and then add some kind of filter to tie in the brown scuff marks. These were supposed to represent exposed wood, but look more like dirt. Oh well.
(https://s20.postimg.org/x3t5nnmd9/IMG_20180210_233848139_HDR.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.org/65z8lwu0d/IMG_20180210_233904011_HDR.jpg)
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Looks awesome to me!
RAGIII
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Looks awesome to me!
RAGIII
have to agree !!!!!
Ed
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Really good looking. Top work.
Bye,
Manni
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This is a really super Albatros. Got to agree with Rick the markings are most striking. Great odel in the making here.
Stephen.
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That’s a really nice model, love the choice....
Sheesh your output is stagggering two models in two months..i’m Lucky to get one part done in that time.. fess up, have you discovered a time machine? ;)
Ray
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That’s a really nice model, love the choice....
Sheesh your output is stagggering two models in two months..i’m Lucky to get one part done in that time.. fess up, have you discovered a time machine? ;)
Ray
I wish!
Remember, that I built the fuselage 5 years ago. Just the wings in the last few weeks.
But now that you mention it, I think I average about a model a month. Except armor kits - which generally take me months to finish.
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Guys, thanks for the comments.
I started working on the engine. I've never been very good at engines, and this one is no exception. I'm going to be closing it up, so not much will be seen, but it seems a bit of a waste. Nevertheless, good metallic finishes continue to elude me.
(https://s20.postimg.org/3yluufrpp/IMG_20180214_220536766_HDR.jpg)
there are still some bits to add, but I'm not going to bother with ignition wires. Not on this one.
I will grease things up though. I'm thinking of using actual automotive grease. hm...
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I think I'm happy with how the engine turned out.
(https://s20.postimg.org/3t74bc1t9/IMG_20180216_214153903_HDR.jpg)
Next up: the guns. I'm totally anxious about the PE cooling jackets. I'm not good with PE, and I've never successfully rolled PE.
I don't have a soldering kit, either. Is one necessary to fuse the cylinder?
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I don't have a soldering kit, either. Is one necessary to fuse the cylinder?
nope. But do anneal the PE before trying to roll it. Don't get it red hot -- that will ruin it. just pass it quickly back and forth through a clean flame until it turns slightly blue.
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Everything looks great so far!!
Steve
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Looking really good Ralph, am enjoying watching this build :)
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Thanks, guys.
Any advice on how to mount the guns? I'm assuming the ammo feed slot on the side attaches to the curvy bit, and the downward projecting bit is supposed to fit into the notched strut thingy behind the fuel tank?
I suppose maybe that is how it should be, but that isn't really working out for me. Is there a trick here? Is it best to glue the gun to one bit and not the other?
I'd greatly appreciate any advice before I move forward.
Also; is it better to fit the cooling jackets before or after mounting the guns?
For now, I've been test fitting only with the plastic guns.
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I'm assuming the ammo feed slot on the side attaches to the curvy bit, and the downward projecting bit is supposed to fit into the notched strut thingy behind the fuel tank?
yes
Also; is it better to fit the cooling jackets before or after mounting the guns?
before (!!!!)
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Your engine turned out great! Beautiful overall work on your Albatros to date!
RAGIII
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Thanks, Rick.
And now I have one of two guns. And a landing wire.
(https://s20.postimg.org/cg598u10t/IMG_20180224_201555504_HDR.jpg)
They turned out better than I expected.
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That gun looks very realistic indeed. The engine looks the prt too.
Stephen.
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Looking great! You are nearing the home stretch now!
RAGIII