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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: Bughunter on January 06, 2018, 09:15:08 AM
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Very nice Frank, great to see another Nieuport 17 being built, what you have done so far is looking pretty good, I will be following the progress of this build.
Des.
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I do recall seeing the film but your work so far has helped me get over the time I wasted watching it ;)
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Cool choice Frank, looking good. 8)
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I do recall seeing the film but your work so far has helped me get over the time I wasted watching it ;)
My recollections as well Toby! One of the absolute worst ever!! :( ::) It will make a very interesting Model though Frank, and your interior is really nicely done!
Cheers,
Lance
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Excellent start, Frank! Nice scheme to start with. I think Kermit Weeks has this very Nieuport in his collection, I may have some pictures of it from my visit back in 2009, if I do I’ll send them to you. I saw the movie in the theater, and while yes it was awful, it was still better than the more recent “Red Baron” film! Carry on with your magic on this one!
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I enjoyed the movie and viewed it as a work of fiction based loosely on the Laffeyette Escadrille. It did bring attention to movie goers about air combat during the Great War and the American participation prior to the U.S. entering the war. I am looking forward to seeing your build of this kit in these markings.
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Your usual terrific work to date. I like the additions to the interior and the aileron hinges. Well done.
RAGIII
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Thank you very much and welcome in the show!
On youtube.com there is also a series of five outtakes, so one can watch only the flight scenes and avoid the rest ;)
I like the ... the aileron hinges.
Interesting point I forgot to mention! I found a mistake in the Datafile drawing. It shows 3 hinges, but correct are only the outer two as shown in the nice Rozendaal drawings in the same Datafile. The inner hinge is the linkage alu tube itself, coming from the middle of the wing (in my model a metal pin). A really brilliant design!
I really like to understand the design principles and solutions of those early aircraft during the build process of the models.
Cheers,
Frank
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That's just showing off now :P
Can't believe this is 48th scale either :-\
8) 8) 8) 8)
Gary
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Saying outstanding is shortchanging you. ;D
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Really Frank, your skills are just incredible. Being able to work metal in the ways that you do gives you a huge advantage and allows you to add such intricate detail. The Small Stuff engines are top notch - and add to your already impeccable model. This will be another of your exceptional models.
Stephen.
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The engine is superb and the cowling.... Brilliant!
RAGIII
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Frank,
Gotta say, I really admire your skills, that is just "top drawer" work all around! Beautiful work!
Cheers,
Lance
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very very impressive the cowling...
Xan
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Amazing work on the cowling. Looks just great!
Andreas
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Fantastic....!
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Thank you Gary, Juan, Stephen, RAGIII, Lance, Xan, Andreas and Jeroen for your nice words!
One can say I'm only to lazy to paint the cowling aluminium ;)
Cheers,
Frank
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Wow, Frank! Chapeau! This is just amazing. The cowling is very cool.
Bye,
Manni
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Looking sharp Frank! Modeling Magic for sure!
RAGIII
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Outstanding work as usual Frank. This aircraft is truly coming alive.
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Beautiful work all around, Frank! This will be another one of your masterpieces!
Cheers,
Bud
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Very impressive work indeed ;D
Gary
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Wow, Frank. I am impressed by your work. Just great and so quick!
Bye,
Manni
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It's a pleasure to read this build Frank!
Antonio
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Awesome all around as usual, Frank. A real beauty!
Hm, he's building Nieuport V-struts from real wood... I like this idea and I will copy it. And no one can stop me (Arrrharrharr!!)
Andreas
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Beautiful work all around, Frank! This will be another one of your masterpieces!
Cheers,
Bud
I agree with Bud! Another of your Brilliant works in the making!
RAGIII
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Oh my friends, what a overwhelming feedback! Thank you very much!
Manni, this is not that fast. I started this beginning of January in my holiday. It it is not a WNW kit, around 20 plastic parts and some PE.
There are people doing such model as weekend project ::)
Hm, he's building Nieuport V-struts from real wood...
This is a matter of justice! My Nieuport 11 has wooden struts (https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=8545.0), so if I would build this one without that would mean models fighting tooth and nail in the glass cabinet. ;)
I like this idea and I will copy it. And no one can stop me (Arrrharrharr!!)
Have you asked for a licence? You will be contacted by my counsel.
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Joking of course :) Feel free! But remember, the original struts are hollowly inside.
Cheers,
Frank
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Having been away twice recently I have missed much of the recent progress. This is simply amazing modelling - wonderful finish and super deatils.
Stephen.
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Great build!!
Steve
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Shaping up nicely so far 8)
Terri
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Amazing work on the strut and hinge attachment!
RAGIII
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Thank you!
But after browsing more pictures more pictures there seems to be a cover on the hinge and two bolts, which some Nieuports do not have, as the picture above. So Eduard is also right. I found also a picture, where the lower cover are missing.
Cheers,
Frank
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Great research and execution of a very noticeable detail.
Steve
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Those struts look GREAT!
Cheers,
Bud
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Wow Frank, the wooden struts look fantastic. Very realistic.
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brilliantly observed and executed. i'm taking notes here. if you can do it that tiny, i have at least a chance in 1/32.
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Good god, I am late in looking in and commenting. Yes, it is right, most Nieuports had covers over the V-Strut-roots:
(https://airandspace.si.edu/sites/default/files/images/collection-objects/record-images/NASM-NASM-2B25805.jpg)
But to build one without them makes your Nieuport unique. I haven't seen this yet modelled. It looks amazing!
Your Nieuport is already a stunner and I can't wait to see it completed.
Borsos
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Those struts look GREAT!
Cheers,
Bud
Big second to my Amigos' "GREAT".
Ed
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Those struts look GREAT!
Cheers,
Bud
Big second to my Amigos' "GREAT".
Ed
I join the line!!!
Antonio
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indeed you work is stunning! and very inspiring, too.
ciao
edo
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Oh my friends,thank you very much for this huge amount of feedback!
Andreas, this is one of the best pictures to show the metal covers! This picture was new to me.
One can notice, that the metal part on the strut (see my picture) looks like a different metal compared to the lower cover, which seems to be aluminum. May be I try the alu cover on one side.
Cheers,
Frank
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Today I have a question:
Does someone has a picture of the position and look of the fuel (and oil) cap of a Nieuport 17 ?
Haven't found nothing (or dead pages in the net with deleted pictures by photobucket >:( ).
Thank you very much!
Cheers,
Frank
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Frank, if you PM me your E-Mailadress, I‘ll send you some pics. I can’t post them here...
Andreas
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Those struts look GREAT!
Cheers,
Bud
Big second to my Amigos' "GREAT".
Ed
So says the third Amigo!
RAGIII
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Frank,
I had the same question when I did my 1:32 Hobby Craft Ni.17, I don't recall where I found the answer however this configuration was based on a couple of photos. The front one on the "ring cowling" is the oil filler point, the one further back the petrol.
(https://i.imgur.com/ORYXYQg.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/EKQqPRK.jpg)
Cheers,
Lance
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Thank you for your information Andreas and Lance!
Now I understand this issue better. It looks like that some Nieports have a oil tank in front of the firewall and some behind. This depends may be on the weapons, with a Vickers there is more space behind the firewall needed.
The next update follows soon ...
Cheers,
Frank
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With each update I'm at a loss for words, many of these photos could be mistaken for images of 1:1 examples. Beautiful workmanship, Frank!
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Great work Frank, the tailskid and wind screen assembly are beautiful additions and really will add a lot of appeal to this model. Again, using the same materials as in the original is paying excellent dividends. Nicely done!
Cheers,
Lance
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Oh Frank, I have so many unfinished projects on the bench (the less time I have, the more I start...) and just because of your wonderful progress here I startet cutting the parts of a Special Hobby Nieuport from the sprues. Your perfect woodwork and all these brilliant pictures here made me doing this. It is your guilt!
Andreas
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Awesome modelling Frank. :)
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Simply amazing, drop the mike Frank. ;D
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Great job, Frank! the tail looks terrific I love your scratched details, brilliant.
Bye,
Manni
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Great problem solving and miniature engineering!!
Steve
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Thank you all my friends for your nice words! :red_face_smiley:
just because of your wonderful progress here I startet cutting the parts of a Special Hobby Nieuport from the sprues.
After the first pictures with paint of your 1:32 Fokker D.II I had the same feelings and opened the box of my 1:48 kit. But due to amount of started projects and work in progress I put it back to the stash in a not started state ???
Cheers,
Frank
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every part you are crafting adds so much to this build. The windscreen is awesome.
RAGIII
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Thank you!
The inside cutout could be a touch bigger, but after the broken first try I don't want to overdo it. And at later state there was no chance to fix it due to the clear foil inside. But I can live with it.
Cheers,
Frank
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Wow Frank, continue to be amazed by your workmanship and details. You give 1/32 a run for its money. :D
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Frank,
Your "micro soldering" talents never cease to amaze me, amazing work! The Vickers is a real addition to the realism of this Build, just lovely work! (and the rest of the model is spectacular as well.) I'll be following your post as you finish up another really unique model.
Cheers,
Lance
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Excellent
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Amazing work!!
Steve
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Outstanding work! Frank you are a master!
Bye,Manni
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Beautiful work on the MGs Frank! The PE Vickers is incredible!
RAGIII
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Thank you very much for your encouraging comments from all you experts, that means a lot to me!
I have some reason to pull out all the stops with this built - with the gallery you will know the reason.
Cheers,
Frank
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Your soldering skills are not from this world, Frank! I can't believe what I see here. The Vickers is incredible.
Andreas
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Incredible!
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Others have already used all of the available suoerlatives.... what you achieve with micro-soldering is quite exceptional. The rest of the build so far is also first class in every way: the metal cowling really looks the part. I am really looking forward to seeing this in the gallery.
Stephen.
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Sheer magic Frank, what a beautiful model!
Cheers,
Lance
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The engine truly looks like you could fire it up! Outstanding job on the oil tank and filler pipes and caps .Finally the rigging is excellent!
RAGIII
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Absolutely beautiful Frank! The rigging is outstanding and the prop looks great. Whatever it is shape wise I am sure your next effort will be even better.
RAGIII
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Looks great!!
Steve
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WOW Frank, the prop is fantastic, and the rigging is perfect!
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Love this one!
17 looks like agile young lady ready to play :D
regards
K
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The filml does in no way justice to your model: Each and every one of your construction photos alone is much better than the whole movie...
Great little Lewis MG!
Andreas
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Very impressive Frank, the Lewis mount components are outstanding! Your new prop is superb as well, nicely done!
Cheers,
Lance
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Thank you Andreas and Lance!
In meantime there is the show of the finished model, see you there:
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=9343.0
Cheers,
Frank
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Terrific results Frank. Like I said even better!
RAGIII
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the Lewis gun mount is eye popping!
while reading I was thinking that you made it workable....
absolutely astonishing!
ciao
edo
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Wow, Frank, the plane is perfect and the Lewis mount is the cherry on top.
Bye,
Manni
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oh i come too late ...
I saw tyour post yesterday but had no time to answer...
I my opinion you didn't have to take the Eduard prop as reference it is totaly not acurate..
first one was much better.
The prop you did was teh "Levasseur type 484" which equiped most of the ni-17.....
(http://nsm09.casimages.com/img/2018/02/28//18022807500623469215584650.jpg)
(http://nsm09.casimages.com/img/2018/02/28//18022807500623469215584651.jpg)
here are the real size (not very important for us...)
be carefull dran proportion are not accurate, only numbers are...
(http://nsm09.casimages.com/img/2018/02/28//18022807500723469215584652.jpg)
here you have a Levasseur type 586 (all Levasseur had same form)
(http://nsm09.casimages.com/img/2018/02/28//18022807500723469215584653.jpg)
(http://nsm09.casimages.com/img/2018/02/28//18022807500723469215584654.jpg)
so I think first prop you did was much better.
Second about wooden effect. your wooden prop are really amazing , but in french case props were covered with "gomme laque" first , then "Tonkylaque" since 1917/18
"Laque" means enamel in french...
it is between varnish and paint.
What I mean is that french props had very dark red brown apparence. and no wood effect was seen.
her some exemples, but i can show you more autochrome ...
(http://nsm09.casimages.com/img/2018/02/28//18022807500723469215584655.jpg)
(http://nsm09.casimages.com/img/2018/02/28//18022807500823469215584656.jpg)
(http://nsm09.casimages.com/img/2018/02/28//18022808013223469215584661.jpg)
here is what i did in a morane and in a ni-11...
(http://nsm09.casimages.com/img/2018/02/28//18022808061023469215584663.jpg)
(http://nsm09.casimages.com/img/2018/02/28//18022808061123469215584664.jpg)
(http://nsm09.casimages.com/img/2018/02/28//18022808061123469215584665.jpg)
if you are interest, to learn this effect i use a sand yellow base, the, i mix Prince august "woood grain" (70828) with tamiya red clear and pas several coats with pencil.
I am sorry all this come too late but anyway as you are represebting a replica, all is free prop have not to be accurate...
by the way could you please detalled step by step how did you do the prop? (kind od wood instrument to sant, haw do you cut and so...
they are the pretiest wooden rpops i never saw at 1/48.
Congratulations for the all work
Xan
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Congratulations: this model is far better then the dummies used for the movie (and these were 1:1 scale!).
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Thank you all fro your fantastic feedback!
@Xan
I'm always surprised about the huge know-how of the forum members here - what a great amount of information in your post and the pictures are so great!
According to your dimensions the first one was really not wide enough.
The actual one could be bit more sanded to reach more the shape of your photos, but I glued it to the resin engine already.
Regarding my wood work, I have that in my build reports, see e.g. the Lebed one in the first post.
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=8864.0
The problem is only to find good wood! In my experience wood from fruit trees is good, like peer, cherry and boxwood. I used also canadian maple and mountain maple. I'm still experimenting. That is a nature product, every peace is different, even from the same kind of wood.
After cut of veneer on a small circular saw I glue the veneer to a block, then raw milling (by hand) and mostly sanding.
Cheers,
Frank
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Back on page 2, you mask the ribs and then paint over the whole thing with Tamiya smoke. I'm surprised to see that you put mask on top of decals. I've not had good experiences doing that? Any tips to make that workable?
And what kind of tape did you use for that? Is it less sticky than, say, Tamiya tape?
Regards,
Phil
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I use Aizu tape for this, or when not enough in my stash I cut thin stripes of Tamiya tape. The tack of both is the same.
Never go with the tape directly on the model, I always reduce the tack by putting it multiple time on the back of my hands. For use on decals even more! Only a very light tack is needed.
And remove the tapes as soon as possible! Apply, paint and remove nearly at once.
And no, I no not like to mask on top of decals and do it not very often!
Cheers,
Frank
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Missed this one Frank,
What a beauty!
Guy
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I've only just been able to view the images in this thread... What a gem!
Great work with the Cowl. That is something Ive been contemplating my self (My lathe has been complaining that I have been ignoring her). Haven't been able to see any images of the wooden struts though... And I want to.
Cheers,
Hugh
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Extraordinarily good detail work, Frank. Your work never ceases to amaze me.
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Where on Earth did this one come from Frank? I have missed this!!!
Just more perfection from the master modeller. As has been commented, this is better than the 1:1 dummies.
Stephen.
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Exceptional as always Frank!
RAGIII