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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => What's New => Topic started by: Dave W on November 14, 2017, 07:24:22 AM
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Seeing as nobody has posted reports about the big Telford model show from the weekend, I'll ask the question.
Were there any WW1 new product announcements at Telford?
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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There may be someone working on a 1/32 Nieuport 17 in IM (not WNW) and I suspect we will see the top half of that ww1 Mistel from Aviattic in resin..
Cookie cut Pfalz DXII lozenge coming too.
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I was told by the company (not Wingnuts) working on the 1:32 scale IM Nieuport 17 that is would be revealed at Telford, they were supposed to show 3D images of certain parts of the kit but obviously they are having issues. I was not at Telford so I don't know what was shown, if anything. If anyone knows anything please post here so we all know, a brand new 1:32 scale Nieuport 17 will be very popular.
Des.
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'IM' - what does IM mean please?
Richard
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I think IM means Injection Moulded - i.e. Plastic, not resin
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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Cool, thank you
Of course, I've already built a Nieuport 17 in that scale, so now is the time to release a better kit
Richard
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Does anyone know if CSM attended Telford, there have been no reports of any upcoming kits from them, I know the Lanchester is being released soon but nothing has been said, really strange.
Des.
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Does anyone know if CSM attended Telford, there have been no reports of any upcoming kits from them, I know the Lanchester is being released soon but nothing has been said, really strange.
Des.
Except for their Noop. ;) ;D
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I Met CSM at the main Swedish event of the year, C4 in Malmö a few weeks ago.
I asked them about the Lanchester, of which they had a very nice looking built up test shot on display. The answer I got was "December" They also had a full range of figures and engines on display – of which I purchased a few ;) As to any other upcoming news, there was nothing in view.
Special Hobby was at the same event, and I enquired about the Fokker DII. Got the impression this was due for release just about now.
/Mikael
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I was chatting with Edgar at Telford. I bought the new bomb cart, naval German figures and polish pilot and a new ladder. He told me December for the lanchester. The test shot looks great. I bought the new pilot figures with 2 heads and both camel pilots too..
They are working on the Nie 17.
I think business was good. I spent £100 and they sold all their dolphins they brought. Richard told me that pfalz 12 cookie cut stuff is next and he very kindly gave me the dr1 cookie cut undersides to try.
Copper states new ladders and work benches look great.
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I was chatting with Edgar at Telford. (...) They are working on the Nie 17. (...)
This was my guess/hope!!
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I was chatting with Edgar at Telford. (...) They are working on the Nie 17. (...)
This was my guess/hope!!
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Cool, thank you
Of course, I've already built a Nieuport 17 in that scale, so now is the time to release a better kit
Richard
I figured if enough of us built the basic kit someone would release a better version. A 1:32 Nieuport 17 from CS with the same quality bits as their recent releases (the AK.8 for eg.) would get my order very quickly! With decent support for their products more could follow........ :)
Cheers,
Lance
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well, well...
if 1/48 models buider's seems to cross the line and pass to 1/32 wild side, may be we, poor 1/48 builders, can expect Wingnuts wing offered us a 1/48 nice model for christmas?
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Xan
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Cool, thank you
Of course, I've already built a Nieuport 17 in that scale, so now is the time to release a better kit
Richard
I figured if enough of us built the basic kit someone would release a better version. A 1:32 Nieuport 17 from CS with the same quality bits as their recent releases (the AK.8 for eg.) would get my order very quickly! With decent support for their products more could follow........ :)
Cheers,
Lance
I agree completely. As I said I will be in for a couple!
RAGIII
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Although a Ni17 is defenitely not on my wishlist, I can well facy though buying one: Just to support CSM's effort and encourage them to delve more and more into 1:32 scale aeroplane kits.
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Cool, thank you
Of course, I've already built a Nieuport 17 in that scale, so now is the time to release a better kit
Richard
I figured if enough of us built the basic kit someone would release a better version. A 1:32 Nieuport 17 from CS with the same quality bits as their recent releases (the AK.8 for eg.) would get my order very quickly! With decent support for their products more could follow........ :)
Cheers,
Lance
Me too, Lance...it's a solid move on their part...just love it....can't wait for the N17...and oh, how sweet would it be if they WERE to scale up on their Big Ack.
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The secret is finally revealed, Edgar told me quite some time ago about this project but I was sworn to secrecy, it is good that it is now world knowledge so everyone can prepare for this great kit. I am surprised that Edgar has not posted images of what CSM have done so far with the kit, many members are very keen to see this kit and I'm sure it will be a huge seller for them. Taking the step into 1:32 scale and injection moulded is a very wise move and one that will pay dividends, well done CSM.
Des.
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For 1/48th scale builders, there will be a few very interesting kits coming in the next few months. I cannot reveal the manufacturer nor subjects but I can promise that you will be happy.
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Quote from Des 16 Nov. Post: " Taking the step into 1:32 scale and injection moulded is a very wise move and one that will pay dividends, well done CSM."
I could not agree more. CSM's recent superb Kits in 1:48 indicate we have a lot to look forward to. There's been a great deal of wishful thinking expressed here regarding subjects that might augment Wingnut Wings excellent selection in 1:32 Scale, and hopefully CSM has stepped up to meet that challenge. As I said in an earlier comment I can't imagine a "scaled up" version of any of their recent releases being less then spectacular both in quality and market success! Here's hoping for both new subjects and success for Copper State!
Cheers,
Lance
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A new & improved Nie.17??? ;D Perhaps CSM might be induced to follow with a Spad XIII??? The wealth of users/markings options for both make them attractive to me!
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Quote from Des 16 Nov. Post: " Taking the step into 1:32 scale and injection moulded is a very wise move and one that will pay dividends, well done CSM."
I could not agree more. CSM's recent superb Kits in 1:48 indicate we have a lot to look forward to. There's been a great deal of wishful thinking expressed here regarding subjects that might augment Wingnut Wings excellent selection in 1:32 Scale, and hopefully CSM has stepped up to meet that challenge. As I said in an earlier comment I can't imagine a "scaled up" version of any of their recent releases being less then spectacular both in quality and market success! Here's hoping for both new subjects and success for Copper State!
Cheers,
Lance
I agree completely! I will also go on record and say if WNW were to release one next week I will still purchase at least 2 from Copper State!!
RAGIII
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Well I think it SUCKS. 1/32 has gotten all the goodies for the last decade. And they still want more. Taurus stopped doing 1/48 so I guess next csm will forsake us. Just like every other company. 1/48 Is a better scale for aircraft unless you have a warehouse to display and store kits. And the detail is only slightly better than the new 1/48 kits and only in some cases. To each his own.
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I kind of agree with you. I do hope that CSM will still offer us 1/48 kits. They are made to the highest standard there is, much better than Eduard ever did.
So that leaves us 1/48 scale builders with hardly any options, as Eduard only does 1 kit a year or so and most of the other makers have quit completely...
Not that I would mind a new, state-of-the-art 1/32 Nieuport, hopefully (much) cheaper than WnW, just hoping they also will think about the 1/48 community
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I am with you Albatross and hiddeus, 1/48 for ever!
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Xan
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Splitters!
It's the people's popular front of Judea all over again....
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Splitters!
It's the people's popular front of Judea all over again....
Hahaha ;D
and he's still a very naughty boy!
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Splitters!
It's the people's popular front of Judea all over again....
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Hahaha ;D
and he's still a very naughty boy!
Muhahahaha..!!
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It's the 1/32 guys who are the splitters. except for the guys that were scared of biplanes until wnw got in the model magazines virtually all 1/32 fans were 1/48 builders and perfectly happy. Granted the ww1 companies had already sort of slowed down releases. I just truly feel 1/48 Is perfect size. Copper state ,gaspaatch and even the last few Eduard kits prove that the detail is possible in 1/48 . To be honest i have lost interest in viewing wingnut builds at the forum. With some exceptions obviously most of the finished models look exactly the same as everyone else's. I personally don't mind in most cases that the offerings 1/48 guys have it makes you have to be a better modeler and artist. It also makes the build logs more interesting to check out. Xan, hidde, coyotemagic, xmald and the rest of the 1/48 crew along with the 1/72 scratchbuilders like old man, ianb, lone modeller etc with the handful of top 1/32 guys like des, bo, bertl etc are what keeps this forum interesting for me personally. There are obviously others that are escaping me as I type but and I apologize for not mentioning all the modelers I admire here. I have just become bored of wnw cookie cutter builds. And to me it seems as though no matter how many new kits and aftermarket goodies they make some guys are on the edge of their see freaking out because they aren't sure which aircraft will be kitted for Christmas and then become upset when they only get a few nice new ww1 kits per year. He'll before Eduard decided to grace us with the se5a and ssw it had been several years since they gave us anything.roden quit several years ago and special hobby hasn't done much in years. So when something like copper state decides to give us a couple kits and then switches to 1/32 it really worries me.
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When I got back to modelling about 18 years ago (after the obligatory beer-girls-party-rockmusic break), it was no question for me that 1:72 was my scale. And building up a collection I really became envious because these 1:48 builders always got the cool new kits - I remember me even getting a little angry when Roden announced their first 1:48 kit (Once they had offered only 1:72). So is history repeating itself now? ;)
Honestly I can understand the mixed feelings of some modellers regarding the partially extreme WNW hype. Like every hype it brings many strange things to us.
I am no kit producer and have no idea about its financial issues. But I would guess research and computer engineering the parts takes its toll next to the production of the molds. So up- or downscaling for me would be a solution, like Eduard had done it with many of their kits they offer(ed) in 1:48 AND in 1:72. I love the Special Hobby idea of upsizing their 1:48 Fokker D II to 1:32 and couldn't it be a good idea for all the others as well? If CSM would offer all their great wwi offerings in 1:48 and in 1:32, it would be a great thing and everybody would be happy. And that could sweeten the bitter taste of a barroom brawl here ;)
Borsos
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I highly doubt that that Copper State will "switch to 1:32" entirely let alone to any great degree. Many of the bigger producers do releases in more then one scale, and are very successful from a marketing perspective. If Edgar at Copper State releases the rumored Ni.17 it will hardly be of negative impact on his range of excellent 1:48 Kits.
As for 1:48 Modellers having to be "better modellers and artists" I have to disagree; I'd say the works of the 1:144 Scale "Ondras" here easily match the quality of the many 1:32 artists and all in between generally. I was a 1/4 Inch Scale Guy for over half of my 65+ years of model building so I feel confident in making that statement. I believe you said earlier on "to each his own" or something similar, and I'd say that pretty well covers the topic. I switched to 1:32 because I believed my age conditions prevented me from adding the level of detail I enjoy to the smaller scale. I still, however, truly admire the results modellers of ALL Scales present here.
I really appreciate Borsos' comments, I see this as a good thing for the Hobby as well.
Relax! I really don't believe the cadre of 1:48 purists here are threatened by the rumored release of an "occasional" model in a different scale any more then I am by Roden having a stable of 1:48 Kits along with their 1:32 Scale offerings. We all enjoy our own preferences and still appreciate the fruits of others labors, keeps the fun in the Hobby and enriches the Forum IMHO!
Cheers,
Lance
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WW1 model companies walk a financial tightrope when developing new kits so it's inevitable they will look to where the best sales/ profits may be realised. It's a business first and foremost.
I'm told it costs a minimum six figure sum to develop and produce a new kit so with big dollars riding on it, a model company needs more than just expressions of support to survive. Do those who say "I"ll buy two/ three/six" of a new kit actually do so?
The 1/48th scale enthusiasts rightly want some quality new kits in their preferred scale but do they support the new kits with enough actual sales to make a profit for the model manufacturer? Like it or not 1/32 scale is very popular and from a model business point of view it makes sense to cater for that market as well as 1/48th and 1/72 too if the budget will stretch to it.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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A few words from me.
Of course it`s logical that each scale has it`s own audience or a market, and bigger scale allows you to make a model more detailed, plus you don`t need a microscope for it. But there is a one major issue and that is a size of your house/apartment. That is why, in my opinion, 1/48 or quarter scale is most balanced scale for WWI sujects, as you can build a fighter or even a bomber and still be able to build more.
Copper State always did 1/48 scale, so I can state that we are not leaving this scale. But reality is also dictates its rules and we need, at least, to consider other scales, those big ones like 32 or 35 or smaller one like 72.
From what I learned by developing and selling 48 WWI models I can say that pop subjects sells very good, but most of them are already there on the shop shelves waiting for you so we need to choose carefully what to make and when.
It`s only a 1.5 years that we are doing plastic kits, and "tomorrow" we will not stop doing them.
As for 2018, we would like to focus more on Central Powers instead of Entente, since so far we had no German or Austrian aeroplanes.
Two things are for sure
1.We will be trying other scales
2.We will continue 1/48 for sure
So now that Edgar has put this one to sleep as far as abandoning 1/48th we can all look forward to something in whatever our favorite scale is 8)
RAGIII
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Thank you Edgar. As a 1:32 scale modeller, I'm grateful for anything you may produce
Richard
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Thank you Edgar. As a 1:32 scale modeller, I'm grateful for anything you may produce
Richard
You can add my support and agreement to Richard's comment as well!! :) :) :)
Cheers,
Lance
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Until just a few years ago, I was a hard core 1/48 builder. Then I saw the WNW Ninak and had to have one since none existed in 1/48 scale. Once I had my first look at the Ninak, I was hooked on WNW kits. However, it was years before I finally built my first, the Sopwith Triplane. Still a dyed in the wool 1/48 scale fan, but now I have 33 WNW kits in the stash and 3 completed, averaging 1 for every 4 1/48 scale build. I also have the wonderful Aviattic Ansaldo in my stash and I hope to build it soon. When Copper State releases their Nie. 17, I will buy it as well as any subsequent 1/32 scale releases. I know Edgar and he is deeply committed to keeping the CSM tradition of 1/48 scale WWI aircraft alive, so if he says they will not abandon us 1/48 scale modelers, he will keep his work. That is why I will support everything he does, regardless of scale, be they aircraft, armored cars or figures. The money makers will give them the freedom to pursue the less popular subjects. Just my 2 cents.
Cheers,
Bud
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Until just a few years ago, I was a hard core 1/48 builder. Then I saw the WNW Ninak and had to have one since none existed in 1/48 scale. Once I had my first look at the Ninak, I was hooked on WNW kits. However, it was years before I finally built my first, the Sopwith Triplane. Still a dyed in the wool 1/48 scale fan, but now I have 33 WNW kits in the stash and 3 completed, averaging 1 for every 4 1/48 scale build. I also have the wonderful Aviattic Ansaldo in my stash and I hope to build it soon. When Copper State releases their Nie. 17, I will buy it as well as any subsequent 1/32 scale releases. I know Edgar and he is deeply committed to keeping the CSM tradition of 1/48 scale WWI aircraft alive, so if he says they will not abandon us 1/48 scale modelers, he will keep his work. That is why I will support everything he does, regardless of scale, be they aircraft, armored cars or figures. The money makers will give them the freedom to pursue the less popular subjects. Just my 2 cents.
Cheers,
Bud
Well said Amigo! I realized that I had actually started transitioning to 1/32nd before WNW came along. I think it happened when I built my first Roden DR1 and the Albatros DI for Internet Modeler. Then came Aeroscale and the Roden GB, and.... I also realized that I have only about 9 finished 1/48th WW1 aircraft vs about 16 1/32nd now, and that I had more unfinished 1/48th WW1 builds than finished ! 8)
RAGIII
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I build all scales and am always happy to see something new. A new and improved Nieuport 17 in 1/32 is going to be fantastic. Now when it comes to 1/48th scale, I'd like to see a Junkers J.1. In 1/72nd, how about a Nieuport 28 C1 to replace the poor old Revell kit? These are just my thoughts.
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I'm with you radarman on the 1/72 Ni-28. Would also like to see a 1/72 Sopwith Triplane.
Mike
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I'm with you radarman on the 1/72 Ni-28. Would also like to see a 1/72 Sopwith Triplane.
Mike
Yes, yes and yes again! N.28 and Sop Tripe in 72 are very desirable new types in this scale. The dear old Revell kits require too much work to correct. The tripe already has many good markings options, thanks to Pheon.
Cheers
Syd
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Edgar,
As Central Powers Aircraft are concerned, I suspect WNW may not do these, but would be welcomed in my collection: Halberstadt DII/DIII, Albatros DII and DIII, LVG C.II, and Albatros C.VII. Could leverage the C.VII to a C.V with the 8 cylinder. A Voisin would be nifty as well. My thoughts....
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Edgar,
As Central Powers Aircraft are concerned, I suspect WNW may not do these, but would be welcomed in my collection: Halberstadt DII/DIII, Albatros DII and DIII, LVG C.II, and Albatros C.VII. Could leverage the C.VII to a C.V with the 8 cylinder. A Voisin would be nifty as well. My thoughts....
Correct me if wrong, but is there not a Halberstadt in New Zealand ???? I'd think WNW would do one so CSM would be wise to hold off on that one and do another.
Ed
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The Halberstadt in NZ was originally in the US, I believe in the Ryder Collection. It is a look-alike replica, but not an accurate reproduction, so they would be better off beginning with the Windsock Data File.
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Alright, Edgar...here we go....the door is open and we come pouring in...so very happy to read you have Austro-Hungarian machines firmly in mind...and no one can deny there is a massive shortage of them in 1/32nd scale....so blaze a trail with a 1/32 Phonix DI, how about? And to my Albatross liking, a beautiful, sleek 1/32 Albatross C.XII? In any event, much success to you. -M
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It is good to see that CSM has in the works a 1/32nd Nie.17. Yes, the Academy kit has been out for years but is seriously in need of an upgrade and the CSM kit I am sure will be a welcome and successful addition to the 1/32nd scale WWI A/C lineup. I am sure it can also be used as the basis for variations of the Nie. as well. Using some parts from various Roden kits could offer a variety of Nieuports that the modeler could cobble together. It is also nice to see that CSM will not be "abandoning" 1/48 scale leaving the dedicated 1/48 scale WWI a/c modelers hope for a "brighter day tomorrow."
A factor that kitmakers are looking at, besides cost, is the demographics. I am sure a lot of us who started building WWI aircraft as kids back in the '50's either with 1/72nd Airfix kits or 1/48 Aurora kits, are now well into our 60's and find that building a WWI a/c in 1/32nd is much easier on the eyes and the dexterity than a 1/48 or 1/72nd scale offering.
When CSM does release their Nie.17 in 2018, I will be purchasing one with the intent to build it. It will be intersting to see what markings will be included in the kit as well. I have some markings form a couple of Academy kits that would be fun to do as well.
Kudos, accolades and "Hats Off" to CSM for taking this bold step into the realm of 1/32nd scale; hopefully the modeling community will respond accordingly with support for this effort.
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Talking like a book Mark,all very good points,and will also be offloading my old 17's for CSM replacements;I think CSM is currently the most exciting producer in the market,you never know what might be coming up next.
Dave.
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I won't be throwing out the Hobbycraft kit but think I will build the 2 of them side by side , making it easier to do any improvements to the older kit. I have to find it, but there was an excellent topic in construction on the old Hobbycraft kit, will have to track it down. This Black Friday is proving to be a very expensive weekend for me. Don't think I will be buying much model wise till next November :P
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Last year I had the gentleman at Miracle Mask make masks for the national markings for the Nieuports 11, 16, 17 and 24/27. All of which used the same dimensions of the cockades in the French ratios. He also had fuselage cockades in RFC ratios. This way I could convert a Ni17 to a Belgian Ni23.
When I ordered these, I mentioned that he should keep the image handy for other orders. CSM will make me seem prophetic.
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I'll be recalibrating my wish list (obsessively and lovingly documented on a sortable spread sheet, and highly ace-centric) to include even more Nieuport 17s. I expect I'll need a dozen or so. I'm abandoning plans to buy more academy kits based on this news.
At risk of fanning the flames (who am I kidding? I love fanning the flames)... 1/48? Perfect? Meh. It's either too big (if your apartment is so tiny, consider 1/72), or too small (my plans are skewed toward aces, I find 1/48 figures too small to see if a figure is a good likeness, and I decided that when I was 12 when my eyesight was much better). I will never buy anything in 1/48.
I wanted to build scale when I recently returned to modeling. After a long, painstaking analysis of all the diverse subjects I'm interested in, ignoring what's available in kits, I decided on 1/72. 1/48 is too big for submarines and destroyers. And 1/32. Because you can see faces easily. So I think of the scales as complementary, like movie establishing shots and closeups.
That said I think we can all agree 1/35 is the real enemy...
And that CSM have an engine and a pilot already for an OEFFAG Albatros D.III and should go ahead and do that next.
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I agree 1/35 is the enemy. It would be so nice to combine vehicles with aircraft in the same scale. Seem to remember reading that it was Tamiya who started 1/35. Funny thing is that they are now making vehicles and equipment for their 1/48 aircraft, I wonder if they will ever upscale it to 1/32.
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it's odd that Tamiya now make some excellent 1/32 scale aircraft to uh... go with their 1/35 armor.
1/76 and 1/96 are equally infuriating to me...
but the REAL evil is 'box scale'.
there's no one perfect scale for everybody, but box scale isn't perfect for anybody except those who care more about the size and shape of the box than what's inside.
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A new N-17 in 32 scale by CSM , it's is like a dream come true . Prefect ! Will be getting one for sure when it is released . Now if Eduard would re-tool their 48 offering it would be the best of both worlds !
Terri