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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => WW1 Aircraft Information/Questions => Topic started by: kornbeef on September 29, 2012, 04:00:55 PM
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Hi Guys,
I'm looking for painting info on Flares, colouring and construction etc. Brass? Coloured casings or markings to help the pilot differentiate between them? I'm trawling my info but nothing upto now. Any help would be appreciated.
Ta Keith.
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I thought I found some info on the cartridges when I was trawling around looking for info on the pistols themselves. I'll dig some more...
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Here, scroll down:
http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/imperial-germany-austro-hungary/m1894-hebel-flare-gun-115610/
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Sounds like we need to dig up a copy of this book:
Kern, Wolfgang. Deutsche Leucht- und Signalpistolen, Geschichte und Entwicklung bis 1945. ISBN 978-3-00-001956-2. 352 pp, with 401 B/W pictures, 66 Colour pictures, 35 B/W drawings, 2nd edition 2006.
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Even better, maybe, but check this link, has some photos and illustrations from a promising looking book:
http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/shop/books/german-wwi-wwii-books/german-flare-pistols-and-signal-ammunition.html#
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Here's a photo of a wwi Hebel along with a flare cartridge -- it's brass. Of course no saying whether the ammunition is vintage or even authentic.
http://www.adrax.com/watsons/flare.htm
A fair amount of info on what WWII ammunition looked like, but hard to pin down what exactly the wwi ammo looked like...
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Nice one Tony Thanks, thats more than I need ;D
Mucho Ta Keith
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another clue -- brass typical?:
http://www.specialistauctions.com/auctiondetails.php?id=1365405
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I found this information on the Aerodrome forum posted by Patrick back in 2010, it is very interesting.
Des.
So far as the Germans, the following is taken directly from the Handbook Of German Military And Naval Aviation (War) 1914-1918, issued by the British Air Ministry (material prepared in October 1918 and published in January 1919).
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Fired Lights
Light signals fired from a Very light pistol are used by airmen for signalling to the ground, for establishing their nationality or identity, for calling for particular kinds of artillery fire, for ranging, and for intercommunications when acting in formation.
The signals consist of balls of various colours (white, red, green and yellow), stars, and rain (Perlen), either used separately or in conjunction. Identity signals are prescribed and varied from time to time by the General Officer Commanding the Air Forces, in agreement with the Chief of the Admiralty Staff of the Navy; orders respecting light signals are also laid down by Army Headquarters. In the 3rd Bombengeschwader colours are said to have been given to each flight for purposes of communicating with aerodromes and for asking for bearings from the ground when the observer had lost his way.
The following are examples of some light signals used in 1918:
With Infantry --
One red light := "Spread out signals"
One red and one white light := "Understood"
One green light := Used before dropping a message at Battalion H.Q.
With Artillery --
Two yellow lights with double stars := "Destructive fire"
Two white lights with white rain (Perlen) := "Shorten range"
One white star := Request for a round
One red light := "Short"
One green and one red light := "Over, and to left"
Night Flying --
One white star := Recognition signal
One white star with one green and one red light := Asking for bearings
One white star and one red light := Distress signal
Green lights fired by aeroplanes flying in formation have generally been used to call attention to some new movement (turning, etc.).
Very lights are also frequently fired into the ground by front-line troops to mark their position. These are used either instead of, or in conjunction with ground cloths.
Guards on the Belgian-Dutch frontier fire Very lights bursting into stars whenever German machines approach in order to prevent them flying over Holland. Anti-aircraft batteries and signalling guns, when in doubt as to the nationality of a machine, also fire these white lights and expect the signal to be returned by the machine if it is German.
The Germans also use signalling anti-aircraft sections, which consist of indication posts situated in the direction of the principal objectives, and serving to check the direction pointed out by the compass. At these posts are placed batteries of small calibre guns, which fire a certain number of light-signals to a considerable height. A signalling gun at Munte, near Gontrode, is reported to have fired a signal to a height of 4,800 ft. in Morse code ( • • •) at intervals of three minutes. Signalling guns have fixed locations.
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I prefer straight legs..oh not those flares - amazing info from you guys - everything that could be needed!!
Steve
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Please see TOPIC Weapons-Props ...... for some pics on flare guns!
viele Grüße, GHE Gunther
PS: amazing info by Des !!